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  • in reply to: FO's "Most Influential Plays in NFL history" #18891
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    The Immaculate Reception is only 13th? No way. Top 3 easily and perhaps number one.

    Yeah, and surely “the tackle”
    should be on their somewhere.

    You’ll notice there’s plenty of fumbles
    on that list. If you read the article
    i posted on the Pats, you’ll see
    how much McD and Belichick emphasize
    Not getting Stripped. They are kinda
    obsessed with it. I am not sure a guy
    like Hakim or Tavon or even Tre Mason
    would get drafted by the Pats.

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    in reply to: more combine stuff #18886
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    Tony Pauline @TonyPauline
    · Feb 20
    Word from the combine is the St Louis Rams will be targeting linebackers early in the draft.

    in reply to: FO's "Most Influential Plays in NFL history" #18885
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    They forgot Clemens to Quick with the game on the line on 4th down, 2013.

    Also…and i hesitate to even raise the dark-issue…
    …. the one bad snap by…
    Chris Massey.

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    in reply to: NFL will 'sweeten the pot' to keep the Rams in St. Louis #18879
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    TV can want all they want doesn’t mean they get it.

    I don’t agree with you there.

    I wonder what the rules are for moving
    a team to a different division/conference ?
    Do the owners have to vote? Can
    Goodell do that on his own?
    Will there be any requirement
    for atonement for meddling with the
    primal forces of nature ?

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    https://twitter.com/drewboylhart

    Drew Boylhart @DrewBoylhart · Feb 8
    The #NFLDraft2015 is heavy in WR’s, RB’s, interior OL’s, CB’s, undersized Edge pass rushers, MLB’s @BartHubbuch @JoeBuscaglia @Espngreeny

    Drew Boylhart @DrewBoylhart · Feb 14
    RUMOR; #Cowboys very interested in trading for #Vikings Adrian Petterson once reinstated in mid April #NFL

    Drew Boylhart @DrewBoylhart · Feb 12
    Why do #NFL teams draft QB’s in top 10,Than keep changing OC? How can QB develop? HC’s that do this are doomed to fail. #Jaguars #NFLDRAFT

    Drew Boylhart @DrewBoylhart · Feb 9
    RUMOR; #Bucs would have to receive at least a 4th-round pick to even consider trading QB Mike Glennon #BillsMafia #Jets #Titans #Bills

    Drew Boylhart @DrewBoylhart · Feb 6
    Want young QB’s to play from pocket? Coach smarter PB schemes. #Patriots did in 4th QT of SB. Moved DT’s out of middle &Tom moved up to pass

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    Bob McGinn is the new Rick Gosselin, so I give his stuff more credit than most. This piece is colored by a GBay perspective at the bottom of the draft. If it was written about the Rams it would be somewhat different.

    Haven’t seen any Boylhart stuff. I’d like to know what he thinks of the “second tier QBs” and the OLinemen
    and the WRs.

    Drew Boylhart @DrewBoylhart · Feb 19
    RUMOR; #Oregon QB Mariota absolutely killing it #NFLCombine interview process. Told he is as/more impressive than R.Wilson was, significant.

    Drew Boylhart @DrewBoylhart · Feb 19
    #Cardinals HC Bruce Arians said Patrick Peterson battled blood-sugar issues early last season, and was “borderline” diabetic. #NFLCombine

    Drew Boylhart @DrewBoylhart · Feb 18
    The big reason #NFL teams want top QB’s to throw at #NFLCombine? To see if QB’s or agent’s in charge of careers. Charector & leadership

    Drew Boylhart @DrewBoylhart · Feb 17
    If South #Alabama QB Brandon Bridge throws at #NFLCombine look for ‘Experts” to pee in their pants. The kid has a big time arm. #NFLDraft

    Drew Boylhart @DrewBoylhart · Feb 14
    RUMOR;#Eagles dangling QB Foles & 1st Rd PK to move up with #Redskins if Mariota drops past #Titans. talk is Skins holding out for more #NFL

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    in reply to: Grayson, Hundley, Petty, Carden etc. … the qbs this year #18868
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    The sense I get from these threads:
    The most promising prospects that we are likely to have any shot at would be …
    Grayson
    Petty
    Am I getting that right?

    I dunno. I bet a good one turns up
    that aint even at the combine, though.

    I’m still trying to understand the thermodynamix
    of football scouting btw. It seems to be even
    more confusing than algebra :
    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

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    “…..another scout said. (of Jameis Winston)…

    ‘The second law of thermodynamics basically is
    the more ways something can happen,
    the more likely it is to happen.
    That’s true of players.
    The more ways they can (expletive) up,
    the more chances they (expletive) up.’
    ….

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    I saw some of the Combine, and it’s just obvious that Carden has a weak arm for the NFL.

    Noted.

    Future QB coach,
    then.

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    in reply to: Oscar nominees #18847
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3N9xHbX9o
    2014 Oscar winning short – The Crush

    in reply to: combine measurements #18842
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    Did White really run a 4.35,
    or is that a misprint?

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2371958-nfl-combine-2015-matt-bowens-day-3-notebook

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2372866-nfl-combine-2015-matt-bowens-day-4-notebook

    Matt Bowen

    see link…Cooper, White and Parker Solidify Top-10 Grades

    This wide receiver class is loaded, and the top prospects produced legit numbers during testing on Saturday morning with Amari Cooper (4.42), Kevin White (4.35) and DeVante Parker (4.45) all answering questions on their vertical speed in the 40-yard dash.

    I see Cooper as the most polished route-runner in this class, and that was on display during positional drills. He glides through his cuts and is smooth at the top of the route.

    White’s size (6’3″, 215 pounds) is going to create matchups in the NFL, and he has the ball skills and body control to adjust at the point of attack (go check out the tape versus Alabama). With Parker (6’3″, 209 pounds), think about the athleticism and the ability to stretch the field. That’s where he shows up on tape—making plays on contested throws.

    White is expected to come off the board first in the draft (possibly No. 4 to Oakland); however, all three of these wideouts should grade out as top-10 picks after the workouts on Saturday in Indianapolis. There is a ton of talent (and pro speed) with this group.


    ….
    Eastern Carolina’s Shane Carden struggled at the Senior Bowl with his ball placement, and I didn’t see anything during workouts to change the narrative on the quarterback.

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    So now, not only is location an issue
    but there might be changes in
    the divisions/conferences.

    Wow.

    Btw, why cant the Chargers
    and Raiders stay in the same division?
    I mean at some point they are gonna play
    each other whether they are in the same
    division or not — and they would have
    to play in that Carson stadium.

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    Yeah, but
    what about the cinematography
    Anywayz — what interests ‘me’ is that Pa
    likes it. Pa knows the politics and history
    and he still likes it. So…people are different.
    Thats all i got.

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    And I like and respect PA, so it wasn’t easy to say what I said. And I respect the fact that a lot of the military personnel are voluntarily putting their lives on the line for their countrymen. That’s a pretty big deal. It’s complicated, of course, like everything in life because some people are in the military because they have dead-end lives; some are there because they actually love the idea of violence (not many, I’m guessing, but mercenaries must, and I bet most of them are vets). Some are there for career training or free education afterwards. A lot of them are there because they want to defend some noble ideals (regardless of the cold politics that manipulate those ideals).

    So I can imagine a film in which I WOULD feel compassion for Kyle, but it would have to be a narrative which evoked compassion for all the ragheads who became notches on his belt as well. Anything else is a lie, imo. A dangerous fucking lie. And as long as we go about telling stories that cast our team as noble heroes – tragic or otherwise – and other humans as vermin, we continue to foster a blind spot that allows this shit to continue.

    It’s not okay.

    This movie is not okay.

    It isn’t “just a movie.” What happens in the media shapes our reality as a culture, and the stories we tell both reflect and direct our values.

    Well i heard on NPR,
    its the favorite to win
    the Best Picture Oscar.

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    in reply to: Tay-Vonn #18791
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    Jeff Fisher talks about how the team misused Tavon Austin in 2014, and how he plans to use the shifty receiver and possible fantasy sleeper in 2015. Fisher: “We’re going to make a concerted effort to get him the ball to him and create matchups…I think we could have done a better job.” He talks with Pete Prisco.

    Fisher: “He can get deep OUTSIDE”

    Yes. I bin say’in that.
    He did it at wvu all the time.
    He aint just a slot guy.

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    in reply to: Chargers, Raiders propose shared NFL stadium in Carson #18775
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    It would be funny if
    StLouis built a new stadium and the Rams stayed,
    Oakland built a new stadium and stayed in Oakland,
    San Diego built a new stadium and stayed in SD…
    …and LA…well…ya know. O dear.

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    in reply to: OL fixer-upper…draft? FA? howzatt done? #18773
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    I think the answer for C will be among Barrett Jones, Turner or Demetrius Rhaney.

    I think it’s actually more likely to be Jones. I think they like him and see him as being snake bit a lil, but he’s by far the smartest C we’ve had and he graded out well when he played. If he’s healthy, I think we may have an OL that looks like this…

    LT – Greg Robinson
    LG – Likely FA, but maybe high Draft pick
    C – Barrett Jones, but maybe Turner
    RG – Roger Saffold
    RT – Joseph Barksdale

    If the Snisher does THAT, this OL has the potential to turn around in a hurry without major upheaval.

    That’s the way I’d go… make it a competition between the three Centers we already have who’ve played well and between Turner and Jones actually graded out well in snaps.

    That leaves only LG to upgrade and that’s VERY doable. Plus… if allows us to stretch maybe a little to resign Barksdale AND we don’t have to mess with the DL and lose Langford, which would be a HUGE mistake. He’s stout and while we don’t get penetration when he subs for Donald, he was subbing for Brockers and the Brockers/Langford platoon was working like a CHARM. Now, he may need to rework his contract a bit, but if that’s the case, do THAT. But don’t just dump him. Dump Carrington and find another 3 technique for rotation if that’s the case….

    Anyway, didn’t mean to get off on the DL, but that’s my take on the OL. The key is properly resolving the LG position, staying in house on the C position and signing Barksdale….imho.

    I dunno Mack. I’m kinda hoping for a free agent Guard AND Center
    AND two more OLine picks within the first three rounds.

    I mean why not make SURE they fix the damn thing.
    Once and for all. Make it a strength. With depth.
    They CAN do that this year.

    Also pick a QB in the top three rounds
    and off we go.

    Its year Four.

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    Damn. It just gets stranger and stranger.

    Musical chairs. Some team is gonna
    get left out. Who’s it gonna be?

    That looks like some kind of
    disco-UFO, btw.

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    Ben Obomanu says some Seattle players believe decision to throw was made to get Russell Wilson Super Bowl MVP

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/20/ben-obomanu-says-some-seattle-players-believe-decision-to-throw-was-made-to-get-russell-wilson-super-bowl-mvp/

    Conspiracy theories are fun right?

    No matter how silly they may sound, there is something about believing in nefarious circumstances in an otherwise simple situation that captures the imagination.

    However, the belief in such theories can be just as strong and real despite what actually occurred. With some members of the Seattle Seahawks, that could be the case in regards to the fateful decision to throw at the goal line at the end of Super Bowl XLIX.

    Former Seahawks receiver Ben Obomanu joined Brian Abker of Sports Rado 950 KJR in Seattle on Wednesday and said he’s heard from current players on the team that believe the decision to throw on second-and-goal at the 1-yard line was rooted in a desire by the coaching staff to make Russell Wilson the MVP instead of running back Marshawn Lynch.

    “I’ve heard a couple people express that sentiment,” Obomanu said. “A couple players, current players, have expressed that sentiment and I can give them some leeway because I know it’s hard to process and when you take a step back and you take a couple weeks post-game, post the emotions running, you start trying to find questions to ask yourself and when you get back with your parents, your friends, your buddies, all these kind of ideas creeping in. I think though some guys have expressed that same concept of actually believing that the organization in some kind of way was trying to allow Russell Wilson to be the star.

    “With the whole thing with Marshawn and interviews and not giving interviews and the MVP conversation and cars and all those things that happen on the field, the guys have expressed ideas of it being easier to handle Russell Wilson accepting those kind of things and having that kind of thrust upon him as opposed to the possibilities that are unknown with Marshawn. I don’t know if guys actually believe it. I don’t know if they’re hearing it from family and friends but that’s one, I don’t know if you guys have heard it, but that’s one of the craziest kind of things that I’ve heard in my conversations with guys trying to process this whole thing.”

    The decision to throw backfired horribly. Wilson was intercepted by Malcolm Butler to seal the victory for the New England Patriots. However, the thought the coaches were trying to do anything outside of winning the game seems pretty ridiculous for many reasons.

    For one, the votes for MVP are collected before the end of the game, meaning the outcome of that play may have had very little to do with who won the award if Seattle had won. Also, Lynch got the ball on first down as well. If he isn’t tripped up a yard shy of the goal line, he’s the hero anyway.

    Even though the play didn’t work, there is sound logic for throwing the ball on the play. New England had eight defenders near the line of scrimmage with one-on-one matchups on the outside. With one timeout left, throwing on second down would have allowed Seattle to run on both third and fourth down and get the plays off before the end of the game. The problem came in Jermaine Kearse getting jammed brutally by Brandon Browner at the line of scrimmage, which allowed Butler a free break at the pass intended for Ricardo Lockette.

    It was the wrong decision to throw a slant and Seattle paid for it, but there is logical reasoning for Seattle to have handled the situation as they did. Pete Carroll and Darrell Bevell just never factored in an interception as a possible outcome of the play they called.

    Obomanu said the root issues that players may be struggling with is their desire for Lynch to be back with the team next season and hoping the play-call doesn’t push Lynch toward possibly walking away.

    “I think guys are more concerned about having Marshawn back and so I think that’s where that conversation and those ideas stem from is the need and the want to have Marshawn Lynch come back and be an effective player,” Obomanu said. “So they don’t want anything lingering from the Super Bowl to be a determining factor in him retiring or something.”

    That part could be very real. Even if there was no intent to make Wilson “the star” over Lynch in that play-call, if Lynch and other players on the team believe there was, it could create just as many trust issues for the players to overcome.

    That ‘theory’ is just totally absurd.

    For starters a 1 Yard TD or a 1 Yard Run is
    not gonna be significant in who gets the MVP.

    But aside from that, there is no way Pete C
    is gonna be thinking about anything other
    than — just score.

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    I haven’t seen the movie, and never will. The trailer itself turned me off. Just seeing that it was directed by Eastwood was a turnoff because that suggested to me that it would be revisionist history wrapped up in glorified patriotism (which it turned out to be). I had no idea how BAD the revisionism was until I read this thread, but I can’t say I’m surprised.

    But I wouldn’t have watched this film even if it had been set in Imaginaryland and directed by someone else.

    The trailer itself painted a story line that disgusted me. It’s the story of a guy who is proud of killing hundreds of people, and the strain of performing those killings and of the explosions all around him gets to him, and he starts to buckle under the pressure.

    So I’m being asked to feel all sorry for the poor guy because it’s so stressful to kill hundreds of people. I’m supposed to feel compassion for HIM!

    Meanwhile, he has killed hundreds of people I am supposed to understand are worthless at best, but mostly just outright evil, and – really – the world is better off now that they’re dead.

    Yeah, I don’t think so. I’m not going to waste my time on a movie that is going to reinforce racial stereotypes and teach me contempt for brown people, and try to make me feel sorry for their executioner.

    And that this kind of storyline is swallowed without question by so many people in the world just makes me despair, frankly.

    Yeah, but
    what about the cinematography 🙂

    Anywayz — what interests ‘me’ is that Pa
    likes it. Pa knows the politics and history
    and he still likes it. So…people are different.
    Thats all i got.

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    in reply to: Book Corner #18699
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    Reading Statistics
    Total percent of U.S. population that has specific reading disorders 15%
    Total percentage of american adults who can’t understand the labels on their prescriptions 46%
    Total percent of young people who claim they read more than 10 books a year 56%
    Total percentage of U.S. adults who are unable to read an 8th grade level book 50%
    Total amount of words read annually by a person who reads 15 minutes a day 1 million
    Total percent of U.S. high school graduates who will never read a book after high school 33%
    Total percentage of college students who will never read another book after they graduate 42%

    Total percentage of U.S. families who did not buy a book this year 80%
    Total percentage of adults that have not been in a book store in the past 5 years 70%
    Total percentage of books started that aren’t read to completion 57%
    Total percent of U.S. students that are dyslexic 15%
    Total percentage of NASA employees that are dyslexic 50%
    Total number of U.S. inmates that are literate 15%
    http://www.statisticbrain.com/reading-statistics/
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    Twilight Of The Books
    New Yorker
    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/12/24/twilight-of-the-books?currentPage=all
    …..see link…
    ……….There’s no reason to think that reading and writing are about to become extinct, but some sociologists speculate that reading books for pleasure will one day be the province of a special “reading class,” much as it was before the arrival of mass literacy, in the second half of the nineteenth century. They warn that it probably won’t regain the prestige of exclusivity; it may just become “an increasingly arcane hobby.” Such a shift would change the texture of society. If one person decides to watch “The Sopranos” rather than to read Leonardo Sciascia’s novella “To Each His Own,” the culture goes on largely as before—both viewer and reader are entertaining themselves while learning something about the Mafia in the bargain. But if, over time, many people choose television over books, then a nation’s conversation with itself is likely to change. A reader learns about the world and imagines it differently from the way a viewer does; according to some experimental psychologists, a reader and a viewer even think differently. If the eclipse of reading continues, the alteration is likely to matter in ways that aren’t foreseeable.

    Taking the long view, it’s not the neglect of reading that has to be explained but the fact that we read at all. “The act of reading is not natural,” Maryanne Wolf writes in “Proust and the Squid” (Harper; $25.95), an account of the history and biology of reading. Humans started reading far too recently for any of our genes to code for it specifically. We can do it only because the brain’s plasticity enables the repurposing of circuitry that originally evolved for other tasks—distinguishing at a glance a garter snake from a haricot vert, say.

    The squid of Wolf’s title represents the neurobiological approach to the study of reading. Bigger cells are easier for scientists to experiment on, and some species of squid have optic-nerve cells a hundred times as thick as mammal neurons, and up to four inches long, making them a favorite with biologists. (Two decades ago, I had a summer job washing glassware in Cape Cod’s Marine Biological Laboratory. Whenever researchers extracted an optic nerve, they threw the rest of the squid into a freezer, and about once a month we took a cooler-full to the beach for grilling.) To symbolize the humanistic approach to reading, Wolf has chosen Proust, who described reading as “that fruitful miracle of a communication in the midst of solitude.” Perhaps inspired by Proust’s example, Wolf, a dyslexia researcher at Tufts, reminisces about the nuns who taught her to read in a two-room brick schoolhouse in Illinois. But she’s more of a squid person than a Proust person, and seems most at home when dissecting Proust’s fruitful miracle into such brain parts as the occipital “visual association area” and “area 37’s fusiform gyrus.” Given the panic that takes hold of humanists when the decline of reading is discussed, her cold-blooded perspective is opportune.

    Wolf recounts the early history of reading, speculating about developments in brain wiring as she goes. For example, from the eighth to the fifth millennia B.C.E., clay tokens were used in Mesopotamia for tallying livestock and other goods. Wolf suggests that, once the simple markings on the tokens were understood not merely as squiggles but as representations of, say, ten sheep, they would have put more of the brain to work. She draws on recent research with functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), a technique that maps blood flow in the brain during a given task, to show that meaningful squiggles activate not only the occipital regions responsible for vision but also temporal and parietal regions associated with language and computation. If a particular squiggle was repeated on a number of tokens, a group of nerves might start to specialize in recognizing it, and other nerves to specialize in connecting to language centers that handled its meaning.

    In the fourth millennium B.C.E., the Sumerians developed cuneiform, and the Egyptians hieroglyphs. Both scripts began with pictures of things, such as a beetle or a hand, and then some of these symbols developed more abstract meanings, representing ideas in some cases and sounds in others. Readers had to recognize hundreds of symbols, some of which could stand for either a word or a sound, an ambiguity that probably slowed down decoding. Under this heavy cognitive burden, Wolf imagines, the Sumerian reader’s brain would have behaved the way modern brains do when reading Chinese, which also mixes phonetic and ideographic elements and seems to stimulate brain activity in a pattern distinct from that of people reading the Roman alphabet. Frontal regions associated with muscle memory would probably also have gone to work, because the Sumerians learned their characters by writing them over and over, as the Chinese do today….see link….

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    And so
    it begins again —
    the time of mysterious
    numerals.

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    “Ghost stories written as algebraic equations.
    Little Emily at the blackboard is very frightened.
    The X’s look like a graveyard at night. The teacher
    wants her to poke among them with a piece of
    chalk. All the children hold their breath. The white
    chalk squeaks once among the plus and minus
    signs, and then it’s quiet again”

    Charles Simic
    (1990 Pulitzer prize)

    in reply to: The RG3 saga continues #18690
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    So far, RG3 has turned out
    to be the Anti-Russell Wilson.

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    in reply to: OL fixer-upper…draft? FA? howzatt done? #18661
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    Based on last year it looks like if a team drafts an OL player in either round 1 or round 2 that a player has a pretty good chance of starting his first year. But if you wait until round 3 you should count on him being no better than a backup his first year.

    With that in mind one possibility for the Rams would be to trade down from the #10 position to pick up a second round choice, then draft OL in rounds 1, 2, and 3 and with the other round 2 pick draft a QB. That should give the Rams two starters plus a backup on the OL and a backup QB.

    Fine by me, but i would think they will also sign a solid OLineman via Free Agency.
    So, i dunno about drafting Three OLinemen in the first 3 rounds. I really wouldn’t
    mind it though.

    If they did draft that many, i think it would say a lot about how they
    feel about their current stable of Linemen.

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    Well well, very interesting. I wondered if it wasn’t lip service saying they were going with him.

    Enh. I think the “permission to seek a trade” stuff
    is meaningless. I think its just kinda
    “standard procedure” for this kind of situation.
    Let the agents test the waters to get an idea
    of his worth, etc.

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    Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt

    .@RapSheet now reporting Winston will throw at combine. Mariota, Winston, Petty, Mannion, Hundley all will throw. Maybe tide is turning.

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    My ideal Rams OL?

    The one they field after:

    Signing Barksdale.
    Getting Saffold up to speed,
    Coaching Robinson some.
    Signing a free agent or 2.
    Drafting a player or 2.
    Working on the guys they have in-house already.

    Putting it all in a blender.

    Fielding the best 5.

    I will say this. Last 2 years, the Rams had 2 different linemen in play. If Warford fell to them at 30 and Ogletree was gone, that was their pick. Last year, they were in the process of trading up for Martin when Dallas picked him.

    So they had the 2 best guards of the last 2 drafts in play…which tells us a lot about their taste in guards. And btw the trade-up for Martin was in play after they took Donald. If they had pulled off the trade (it was with Baltimore) they would have had a 1st round consisting of Robinson, Donald, Martin. One for the ages.

    So I will kick back with my feet up and just watch as the dust settles, pretty confident they will come away with a good line.

    I know some disagree. There are less optimistic views of this than mine.

    What if you could go back and choose
    between Robinson and Martin — which would
    you choose?

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    Not to be pessimistic but I hve this feeling the whole lot of them are gonna suck. Just a gut feeling.

    I have the opposite feeling;
    I think a few of these guys are gonna
    be good pros.

    There was a lot of negative
    stuff written about Bridgewater
    about this time last year,
    remember. As i recall
    Cosell wasn’t high on
    Bortles or Bridgewater.

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    in reply to: New Helmet Concept #18631
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    Gag me.

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    in reply to: OL fixer-upper…draft? FA? howzatt done? #18588
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    Well the trick with that is, first just list the top 12 centers in the league, and see where they came from.

    Using PFF rankings. Why? Cause they’re there.

    1 Nick Mangold NYJ … 1st round
    2 Travis Frederick Dal …1st round
    3 Rodney Hudson KC … 2nd round
    4 Max Unger SEA … 2nd round
    5 Corey Linsley GB … 5th round
    6 Maurkice Pouncey PIT … 1st round
    7 Brian De La Puente CHI …FA
    8 Jason Kelce PHI … 6th round
    9 Kory Lichtensteiger WAS … ronin, cut by Denver, developed by Wash
    10 Alex Mack CLV … 1st round
    11 Ryan Kalil CAR … 2nd round
    12 John Sullivan Minn … 6th round

    So.

    1 FA.
    1 cut/ronin/ie. budget pick-up
    4 1st rounders
    3 2nd rounders
    3 5th & 6th rounders

    Ok, and the free agent was Undrafted
    and the ‘budget pick up’ was a 4th rounder.

    So of the 12,
    6 had been drafted in the first two rounds.
    But 6 came from later rounds.

    So, ya do have a good chance of getting
    a “good” center even if you get one
    who’s not a day one or day two type guy.

    Though, if you want an all-pro type guy,
    looks like the top Four centers
    are all day one or day two guys.

    w
    v

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    in reply to: Can B.Quick return to form (bleacher report) #18587
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    wv wrote:
    With (hopefully) Kenny Britt resigned, Tavon Austin put to far better use than he ever was under Brian Schottenheimer and Brian Quick back to full fitness, Bradford will have a trio receivers all of whom clearly have the potential to hit that now almost mythical 1000-yard mark.

    This is the sort of assumption that drives me crazy. Actually, TWO assumptions:

    Assumption 1) the reason why Tavonn has struggled is that Schottenheimer misused him.

    Assumption 2) Tavonn can and WILL explode with a new OC.

    I don’t buy either premise.

    Assumptions. Damn.

    Yeah, i am ‘optimistic’ and ‘hopeful’ but I would not
    assume Tavon will explode with a new OC.

    I do think its reasonable to think a
    third year player will be able to
    do some things a second year player wont,
    but who knows.

    And it is interesting to hear that the new OC
    may be “simplifying” the offense some.
    That idea intrigues me. I do seem
    to recall a time when the rams
    got a bit better by “simplifying”
    the Giunta defense, and i do recall
    the 49ers getting better when Harbaugh
    “simplified” things for their QB, etc.

    w
    v

    in reply to: Book Corner #18586
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    Well, keep them coming, Pa ;
    I iz a book lover.

    w
    v
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    ― Carl Sagan

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