zn wrote:

wv wrote:

zn wrote:

And none of the following is accurate btw:

Where we are different is in things like … ‘Deep state’ stuff. Or if i were to say “Obama is a mass murderer” (which i believe) you’d probably resist that kind of language. So, ya know, blah blah blah…

And, it sure has gotten testy around here. I have been doing it too. What gives?

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So you think Obama is a mass-murderer?

Its testy because the Trump vs Clinton thing exposed differences
among the leftists. No big thing. Just testiness.

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I think Obama continued some benighted pre-Obama policies both in the economy and in foreign policy. Of that there is no question. But to me being an American means you have to be dialectical. Johnson got us into Vietnam but also pushed through civil rights. Dialectical to me also means at times you have to work at seeing through the dominant bs narratives, and at times you have to make a practical choice IF there is no other choice. Saving the world doesn’t require us to go crazy.

And remember, it’s about alliances. Always was.

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Yeah, see we disagree. So i wasn’t wrong. I said you would ‘resist’ saying Obama was a mass-murderer. And you just did that.

I think he’s a mass-murderer.

As far as your ‘alliance’ mantra, sure, I agree
we should build alliances. But this is just internal-leftist-message-board
talk. This is like ‘family’ here. We can call each other names, if we want. 🙂

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zn wrote:

wv wrote:

“… I was amazed how even the most liberal students took for granted certain dubious narratives in which they (and much of the rest of the country) were marinated all year long, like the notion that Hillary Clinton was extravagantly corrupt…”

Well 2 can play that game.

How and in what way was HC “extravagantly corrupt”?

I have no particular emotions about her either way. I found her lacking in several policy areas. So voting for her was like voting for Obama. It was just the best the 1 1/2 party system could do. Though to be honest the reviling she attracted struck me as strange. It didn’t seem to involve anything real in any demonstrable way.

AND I always found the “extravagantly corrupt” routine just to be a right-wing narrative. Is there any good reason to doubt that?

So how is calling her “extravagantly corrupt” NOT a dubious narrative?

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I’m not the least bit interested in debating whether Hillary was “extravagantly corrupt” or not. To me it would be like arguing about whether the rams “extravagantly sucked” this year — clearly they did, and clearly she is. You disagree. No problem. We see it differently. I dont intend to debate it.

I also had a problem with the authors use of simplistic econ numbers to explain some things away. Like he said WV was plus-five percent blah blah blah and the nation as a whole was plus-two percent, etc. That was not convincing to me. I’ve traveled all over WV and its really bad out there. Really, bad. The only jobs for unskilled workers are Walmart jobs and Fracking jobs.

…zack you and i are both leftists and we almost always agree on the Practical Policies in the Real World. We both support Universal Health Care, and all the usual stuff Bernie talked about. All the real-world policy stuff. We both know the ‘groundwork’ has not been laid for the more ‘utopian’ stuff or for getting rid of capitalism etc. Its the nuts and bolts of progressive, incremental change that we always agree on.

Where we are different is in things like this Clinton thing. Or ‘Deep state’ stuff. Or if i were to say “Obama is a mass murderer” (which i believe) you’d probably resist that kind of language. So, ya know, blah blah blah…

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OK, so, when do the playoffs start this year?

I’m outta touch cause, I sorta gave up on this football-season about the time Nick Foles got bulgerized in Green Bay. ….oh wait that was last year. …well, i guess that ‘is’ when i gave up on football.

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Nah, I’m not saying anyone who didnt vote for Stein is not a leftist. Of course zn and nittany are leftists. Duh. I could have added all the usual ‘qualifiers’ to that post, but i didnt think i needed to.

I stil stand behind my statement there’s no real left in this country. I dont mean that to be taken ‘literally’. There’s a small left in this country.

If you take the Jill voters and add
the ‘informed leftists who voted for Hillary for strategic reasons’
how many voters do we end up with? Whats the percentage of ‘leftist voters’ in this country? I say its less than ten percent of the voters. Probly less than eight percent. Maybe less than five percent.

Thats what i mean when i say ‘theres no real-left in this country.

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zn wrote:

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This is just more division.

I don’t know anyone who is genuinely left who “abandoned class.” I think that’s just a divisive slogan that showed up recently.

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See, i think ‘what screws over the left’ is that there ISNT one.

There’s Dems and Reps.

Jill got one percent of the vote. One percent.

Where’s ‘the left’ ?

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I have some friends that went to Washington.

…i’m glad people wanna protest the Monster-Trump. But i am disheartened that the same folks didnt protest mass-murderers like Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc.

Ah well.

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Sigh.

…i think we should designate one day a week where we only post
good news. Ya know. Like only posts about meteors.

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http://deadspin.com/bills-suspend-aaron-kromer-6-games-after-boy-punching-c-1721732804

Kromer was suspended for punching a kid over beach chairs, and then he paid off the parents, apparently.

I liked this comment:

“..Richie Incognito will provide the necessary leadership in Kromer’s absence..”

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• This reply was modified 9 years, 6 months ago by wv.

The article seemed like fake-news but I’d part with Britt anyday
if i got Jackson in return.

TJ i dunno about. He’s a good player, but i dunno how much money he’s worth.

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