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wvParticipantToth, good tryout signing…see previous post.
I found this out:
…Toth, from Brebeuf Jesuit Preparatory in Indianapolis…
That’s my alma mater.
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Jesuits? All i know about the Jesuits is what i learned on Shogun.
I’m not sure we can trust a Jesuit. Black Ships and all.
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wvParticipantEven if mankind eliminated the emission of all greenhouse gasses today, there is enough C02 in the atmosphere to keep the average temperature of the earth rising for hundreds of years.
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Ok, see, now THAT is cause for hope.
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wvParticipantBut i still dont think that comes close to the present situation
Remember, what I said is, this has been happening all along. I didn’t exclude the new technology magnifying it. I just mean to point out that the history on this was deep.
It’s just that before, it was kings doing it.
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Yes, and I’m saying that view doesnt work for ME. I dont think i can say “well history is just continuing along its path like a river”.
To me, what we have now is something NEW. Qualitatively different. Sui Generis.
The technology-of-capitalism has changed the game into something new. A mutation has emerged. Or somethin.
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wvParticipantWell, none of those three seems likely to me. But
you never claimed they were ‘likely.’ Just reasons to hope.Maybe Nittany and his sciency-buddies will save us with some nano-technology, or brain science breakthroughs.
Its possible.
Maybe after the cataclysm Dolphins will evolve.
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wvParticipantThere’s never been a system that threatened the biosphere before.
Yes there has been. That’s been the way all along. For example, in the 1500s, one year, and I forget which, ship builders in England could not find a single pine tree tall enough to be made into a shipmast. People had to switch to sea coal for their home fires. Where was all the wood going? Among other things, to the gunpowder industry. You know that rivers like the Rhine and Danube used to be famously clear? Now they’re famously muddy. That was because of deforestization, which itself was driven by the fact that while castles are made of stone they are also made of wood scaffolding. Deforestization led to more sediment runoff from the land, so the great rivers of europe all darkened.
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Interesting. Didnt know that. But i still dont think that comes close to the present situation. The toxic-massive-corporate mix of pollutants and poisons and nuclear weapons and climate-change-agents….etc.
So, we’ll have to agree to disagree on there being a historical precedence for this.
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wvParticipantGreat post. And say what you feel. It comes across differently once you explain it. It’s where yer at.
I have to tell you my attitude/beliefs though, and I am not upholding them as The Thing You Must Do.
I don’t think you fight wars without hope. So I look for signs of hope. Even small ones. So yes the system is raising itself to new levels of evil, but, 10 years ago I would never have dreamed that Sanders would have gotten as many votes as he did. I lived my entire american adult life not even wishing for a genuinely popular progressive candidate because it would be like wishing for wings or a real functioning magic wand. I didn’t even regret there being no such animal, I just lived in a world where they didn’t exist…it would be like regretting the sky is blue (why can’t we have ORANGE skies dammit).
So are we at the stage where things have finally collapsed, or are we on the cusp of a progressive backlash unlike anything we have known? Darkest before the dawn?
But either way, whether or not you like my example, you can’t fight wars without hope.
Gamling: “Too few have come. We cannot defeat the armies of Mordor.”
Théoden: “No, we cannot….But we will meet them in battle nonetheless.”
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Well the ‘hope’ thing is a big, deep, complex subject.I dont run around throwing cold water on OTHER people’s hopes. I only do that here 🙂
I dont do it elsewhere for the exact same reason i dont tell wv-mom that her fundamentalist-christian “jesus is coming” HOPES are all bullshit. I mean, why would i want to take her ‘hopes’ away from her. Her life is based on those ‘hopes’. Its built on those hopes. Wouldnt be a good thing to take those hopes away. Even though they are futile and ridiculous. I feel the same way about Dem-hopes and Rep-hopes. Mainstream-american hopes.
So i walk around all day surrounded by humans who are all hopey-changy about Trump or Obama or Hillary…or Bernie. And i ‘get’ how important hope is, but the situation really looks beyond hope to ME. Thats my rational assessment based on the info i have (info about pollution, toxic sludge, fracking, nuclear weapons, bio weapons, chemical weapons, weapons industries, Corporate personhood, Gerrymandering, Neoliberalism, Psyops, Propaganda, NSA, CIA, FBI, human biology, climate change, ‘education,’ Corporate-media, voting-results, technology, etc etc)
I mean even IF a Bernie were somehow to be elected, that Bernie would have to deal with a corporate-Senate, a corporate-House, a corporate-Court, a corporate-CIA….etc. The mega-corpse would just smear him, and wait him out.
I could go on…but my point is….i forget. I think it was Hope is complex subject. I still have a flicker of hope. A flicker. But for the most part hope has left these lands. The personal individual question for me is how to live a good life without it. Or with only a flicker of it.
I’m not about to run around telling ‘other’ hopeful people what to do or think.
I’m HAPPY others still have hope. Good for them. …but this aint a star wars movie. And i find that most hopey-people dont know shit about the deep-state.w
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“It’s a bit embarrassing to have been concerned with the human
problem all one’s life and find at the end that one has no more to offer by way of advice than‘try to be a little kinder.’ “ Aldous Huxley“The greatest mystery is not that we have been flung at random between this profusion of matter and the stars, but that within this prison we can draw from ourselves images powerful enough to deny our nothingness.” Les Noyers de l’Altenburg: Andre Malraux
“We have not yet encountered any god who is as merciful as a man who flicks a beetle over on its feet.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek
wvParticipantWell the church and the lords with their castles and armies have total power and there’s no fighting that. Between them they dominate the world, and it will never change.
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Yes, the olden systems were replaced — with a new modern system that is unlike anything humans have had before. There’s never been a system that threatened the biosphere before. And there’s never been a system like this before (psyops, mega-propaganda, think-tanks, nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, bio-weapons, CIA, NSA, satellites, FBI, media, etc).
So looking to the past and thinking “well things have changed before” doesnt do it for me. This system is unique.
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vMay 10, 2017 at 11:49 pm in reply to: Rams in transition years with a new coach, going back to 73 #68622
wvParticipantInteresting.
Not sure any of those new-coaches relied on a raw air-raid-QB with
only about 8 NFL starts.w
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wvParticipantNo evidence (at that point) of collusion.
But collusion is not the only animal in this hunt.
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Yes. And fwiw, I dont have any doubt the rooskies spent a ton of money
helping Donald, as well as other candidates in other nations.And can almost guarantee that other powerful nations have taken notice and are working on their own versions of influencing modern elections. China, Israel, etc.
And of course the USA is the king of influencing elections the world over. And thats putting it mildly.
Meanwhile the mega-corpse just laugh at it all. Trump, Obama, Hillary, Russians, Chinese, it dont matter.
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vI dunno WV, sometimes you gotta turn from all global history for all time, and just look at x topic in its time and place.
The issue is, were laws broken. Collusion aside, which is just one thing on a long list of things, did the Trump circle have contact with Russians officials and/or business people in ways that broke laws.
If the answer is yes, I am not going to be talked out of interest in that specific topic because Everything is Wrong Everywhere.
It’s like, I am the coach, and I go, do I punt here or go for it? And then think, what’s the point, human nature has not lessened its depravity since the dawn of time, and winning is a form of indefensible greed. That’s just out of proportion to the real issue.
I don’t excuse this administration breaking the law and then covering it up because Everything Else Everywhere Is Bad.
You fight wars a battle at a time.
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Well as you’ve noticed, I have changed over the last year or so. And its reflected in my posting. I used to take each issue “and just look at x topic in its time and place.” That used to be exactly what i did. But it doesn’t work anymore (for me).
That outlook (as opposed to actual ‘approach‘) only made sense to me when i thought the system could be reformed. I no longer think the system can be reformed, and i think the system under Clinton/Bush/Obama/Trump is now so hideous and growing so rapidly, that I see no hope in reforming it. I think its too late. For all the reasons I’ve yacked about for years.
So now, i find myself reacting to every single outrage-of-the-week with the same basic post — “yes, yes, the Dem-Rep-Corporotacracy-Deep-State is killing the biosphere and the masses brains have been colonized so there will be no resistence. Have a nice day”
Believe me, i ‘get’ how uninteresting and monotonous my posts are. They are monotonous to me, believe me. But then thats how i really see it. Its not just board-talk. I really think the system is beyond fixing now.
Now what I’ve just talked about is my ‘outlook’. That doesnt change the fact i actually have to LIVE in this world and DO things and make decisions about what to do with my life, etc. So I’ll continue to fight the good fight as i see it, and ‘do my best’ and ‘do what i can’ — but I now look at like I’m giving the heimlich maneuver to someone on the Titanic.
Oh, and I am going to try and discipline myself so that I dont reply to every outrage-of-the-week with “yes, yes, what do you expect from a Corporotacracy, we are all doomed”
I’ll think it, but I wont post it.
I am into hiking now, btw. I’m getting into better shape. I need some good hiking shoes.
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wvParticipantSee here’s yet another issue that matters, taken in its own terms.
And yes the USA overthrew Mosedegh in Iran thereby destabilizing the region for years.
Yet, even given that, and all the other horrors of poscolonial modernity and post-war awfulness, here’s a lesser injustice than those, that still needs to be fixed.
That’s my theme du jour.

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Well, yes, you still think the ship can be saved.
I think thats good. Its a good way to live.And I’ll continue to think that your outlook is a good one,
as I look at the iceburg and the gaping hole in the side of the ship.Gotta do ‘somethin’. Might as well try and do some good.
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wvParticipantNo evidence (at that point) of collusion.
But collusion is not the only animal in this hunt.
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Yes. And fwiw, I dont have any doubt the rooskies spent a ton of money
helping Donald, as well as other candidates in other nations.And can almost guarantee that other powerful nations have taken notice and are working on their own versions of influencing modern elections. China, Israel, etc.
And of course the USA is the king of influencing elections the world over. And thats putting it mildly.
Meanwhile the mega-corpse just laugh at it all. Trump, Obama, Hillary, Russians, Chinese, it dont matter.
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wvParticipant“I’m told that as soon as Rosenstein arrived, there was a request for additional resources for the investigation and that a few days afterwards, he was sacked,” said Mr. Durbin, a Democrat of Illinois. “I think the Comey operation was breathing down the neck of the Trump campaign and their operatives, and this was an effort to slow down the investigation…”
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Maybe Comey was on to something, but not too long ago, Feinstein flat out said this:
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I think the country has changed since Watergate. A lot. I think if Watergate happened today, the president would get away with it. I think the majority of people just see all of this as noise, and lump it all together without distinguishing the seriousness of the various scandals.=============
Well for some of us its hard to care about the ‘seriousness of the various scandals’ when the system itself is the single biggest scandal in human-history. I cant think of any other organization or entity that has threatened all life on the planet.
Where are the ‘good guys’ in this Zooey?
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wvParticipantOrca punter.
wvParticipantTrump tweet:
Cryin’ Chuck Schumer stated recently, “I do not have confidence in him (James Comey) any longer.” Then acts so indignant. #draintheswamp
3:42 am · 10 May 2017
———btw, Comey is the former VP of Lockheed Martin. The department of defense’s largest contractor.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Comey
Comey and his wife Patrice Failor are the parents of five children.[124] He is of Irish descent and was raised in a Roman Catholic household.[125][126] Comey subsequently joined the United Methodist Church, and has taught Sunday school in the past.[124]Although Comey was a registered Republican for most of his adult life, he disclosed during Congressional testimony on July 7, 2016, that he is no longer registered in any party.[1] Comey donated to U.S. Senator John McCain’s campaign in the 2008 presidential election and to Governor Mitt Romney’s campaign in the 2012 presidential election.[127]
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wvParticipantOne political hack will now be replaced by a more obedient political hack.
This system is beyond fixing.
Just my opinion. I know, i know, I’m a ‘cynic’. Except I’m not.
The system is…beyond…fixing. Trump will be replaced in time. And
the system will go on as it was with Obama/Clinton. And the scientists will
stop marching, and the Clintonistas and Reaganistas will go back
to destroying the biosphere.w
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wvParticipantRead the essay “Wounds” at the bottom of that post.
Its worth reading. I think it would be a good essay for a high school class to read, btw.
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wvParticipantBills, Lions, Giants, Panthers, Miami and SF were all winnable and close games…. I think better game day management from the coaching staff could’ve won those games… Let’s hope that McVay can provide that guidance to win those close games….
They win those games, the Rams would’ve been 10-6.
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Seemed like there were two seasons last year. The 3-1 start, followed by a 1-5 record were all part of the same pattern really. The Rams fought hard, played close games, but just didnt have enough pop on offense. The defense always wilted and wasn’t good enough to carry them far enough to win.And then in week 12 they started playing good offenses – Pats, Falcons, Saints — and the flawed-defense was just destroyed and the offense melted down.
I am not sure what kind of team will show up in 2017. I just dont know what to expect. My last memories of the Rams are all those blow out losses and the pathetic loss to the pathetic 49ers. Surely they are not really that bad.
1 September 12 at San Francisco 49ers L 0–28 …. 0–1
2 September 18 Seattle Seahawks W 9–3 …. 1–1
3 September 25 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers W 37–32 …. 2–1
4 October 2 at Arizona Cardinals W 17–13…. 3–1
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5 October 9 Buffalo Bills L 19–30 … 3–2
6 October 16 at Detroit Lions L 28–31 … 3–3
7 October 23 New York Giants L 10–17…. 3–4
8 Bye
9 November 6 Carolina Panthers L 10–13 ….3–5
10 November 13 at New York Jets W 9–6 … 4–5
11 November 20 Miami Dolphins L 10–14…. 4–6
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12 November 27 at New Orleans Saints L 21–49…. 4–7
13 December 4 at New England Patriots L 10–26…. 4–8
14 December 11 Atlanta Falcons L 14–42…. 4–9
15 December 15 at Seattle Seahawks L 3–24… 4–10
16 December 24 San Francisco 49ers L 21–22… 4–11
17 January 1 Arizona Cardinals L 6–44…. 4–12
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I hear you, Zooey. I just don’t have the mental energy for this anymore. I can’t invest in it emotionally. I have to step back–focus on personal things and just let this go..============
“life is a shipwreck, but we have to sing in the lifeboats.”
Voltaire
wvParticipant“…The reason they (the Right) can screw so many people with relative impunity, is that they’ve invested decades in creating a mega-narrative that insulates them from consequences…”
“…The reason Republicans win as a minority party is because Democrats have embraced neoliberalism and rejected true progressivism…”
Well, we (board-leftists) have been saying those two things for well over a decade now. Meanwhile the biosphere continues to to be destroyed by the Obama-Hillary-Dems and the Trump-Reps.
I see zero reason to think the Dems are going to change. Just read Waterfield’s posts. They will turn to another ‘qualified’ candidate like Hillary/Obama.
We will lurch from Trump-nationalism-neoliberalism to Obama/hillary-neoliberalism.For all the reason’s we’ve discussed for over a decade — ‘they’ outnumber ‘us’.
There simply are not that many ‘progressives’ in this country. There’s just not. If there were, the Senate would not look like it does.The Neolibs (Rep-version and Dem-version) were better at selling their meta-narratives than the progressives/socialists.
We lost. They won. Have a nice day 🙂
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wvParticipantYup. Total clusterfuck.
The single most startling thing to me about last year was the
pathetic running game. The blocking was lame and the running was lame.A Jeff Fisher team with healthy Olinemen and a healthy RB — that cant run.
WTF?I am very glad Fisher and his coaches are gone. As a fan i was ready for regime change.
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wvParticipantYou know what.
I am tired of Clinton apologists blaming the left for her loss.
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I’m tired of
Corporate-Capitalism,
Corporate-Media,
Corporate-Democrats,
Corporate-Republicans,
and Corporate-Personhood.Hitler did not threaten to destroy the entire biosphere.
Corporations are well on their way to destroying the biosphere.I’m tired of that.
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wvParticipantWell I blame the Democrats and Republicans for the fact that
Jill didnt get elected.w
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wvParticipanthttp://www.popsci.com/deer-eating-human-remains?src=SOC&dom=tw
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I wanna know where they got the ‘body’ for that experiment? Something tells me it wasnt a former Rockefeller or Kennedy.
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vThey acquire the bodies in several ways. Unclaimed or unidentified bodies might be donated by a medical examiner’s office. Some of the bodies are donated by people who will their bodies to Science. Others are donated by family members. I think wvewe is planning to donate your body for an experiment to determine the effect that fire ants have on corpses placed on their nest mounds.
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I would prefer to be eaten by crows.
I’ll have to find some crow scientists, i see.
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wvParticipanthttp://www.popsci.com/deer-eating-human-remains?src=SOC&dom=tw
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I wanna know where they got the ‘body’ for that experiment? Something tells me it wasnt a former Rockefeller or Kennedy.
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vMay 5, 2017 at 10:33 am in reply to: Trump's Fitness To Serve Is 'Officially Part Of The Discussion In Congress' #68403
wvParticipantAnd then we’d get Pence,
of course.And then after that we’ll get
a neoliberal-dem.It’s a madhouse.
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