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wvParticipantI didn’t really care about historical accuracy. For me it was just a different world. Ya know. Coulda been a Sci-Fi world on Dune, and it wouldnt have detracted from the story (for me).
I think i can say that the make-up and costumes were probably the best I’ve ever seen in any movie. Off the top of my head i cant think of any film thats done it better. Lavish, rich, colors. Weird, wonderful, frightening stuff. I guess Gibson learned a thing or two about costumes from the Mad Max series.
And the faces. The faces were just riveting.
Above all though — the first scene — the star of the whole entire movie: A Tapir
wvParticipantAnd that was in New England, right?
…what if…the Patriots are just…ordinary, now. What would that mean ?
I mean, ya know, in the grand postmodern scheme of things. Existentially, speaking.w
vwvParticipantShe will never wrap her mind around the fact that she was a terrible candidate, that she carried lots of baggage, that she was not ENTITLED to anything, that Trump could ever possibly beat her. She is simply creating her own reality to explain the unexplainable to her. In that reality Bernie is a villain.
And beyond that yes–I think that the DNC wing is out to destroy any leftist wing of the party. They would rather go down in flames with another pro-oligarch candidate than turn over power to the left wing of the party.
That battle is real, within the party. And so don’t be surprised if Trump wins a second term.
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So will you keep voting for corporate-DNC-Dems when they run against Reps?
Is there a point at which you would start voting Green Party?
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vwvParticipantGreen Bay vs New England
Haf ta go with the two best QBs.
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vwvParticipantRams 24
Colts 23A GSOT type game.
The Rams D will miss Aaron Donald.
Hekker wins the game with a 99 yard punt out of his
endzone in the final minute.w
vwvParticipant“….making good decisions, distributing the ball to the playmakers…”
I think we are finally going to see
an actual NFL offense, in action.The fact that, that is a really good thing,
is a testament to how hideous things
had gotten under Fisher.w
vwvParticipantOne would think all this extreme weather would lead to more rightwingers
changing their minds on climate-change — and maybe that will happen — but in West, by god Virginia, i see a lot of this kinda thinking from the evangelicals:christian world view:https://theintellectualist.co/pro-trump-evangelical-blames-lgbt-community-for-hurricane-harvey/
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vYet, the hurricane didn’t just hit LGBT people and their allies…it hit the God-fearin’ Trump supporters that inhabit east Texas as well.
Of course, it doesn’t occur to the evangelicals that maybe God is punishing Texas for voting for Trump.
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Well i can see you know very little about God. I remember when God attacked Sodom and Gomorrah — there were some good Trump voters there too. But when God gets into a god-rage, it dont matter.
I also remember when Godzilla attacked Gomorrah. For no reason at all.
Pre-emptively. Gomorrah should have built a wall.w
vwvParticipantSteely Dan — named after a dildo in the William Burroughs novel “Naked Lunch”
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this i did not
know.makes me wonder
what else
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vwvParticipantWell, its a big success. The line to get in was longer (according to the new yorkers i talked to) than any line seen in many years.
Interesting.
I wonder if he’ll get any Trump hecklers in the crowd.
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Only had one heckler at the show i was at, and that was a Hillary voter who was mad at the ‘bernie bros’, and M.Moore shook his head and said he voted for Bernie in the primary and…yada yada yada…
He made everyone in the audience promise to run for office or at least ‘do more’.
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vwvParticipantI’m a little perplexed how something like this plays on Broadway though.
It’s an interesting experiment. I wonder if it will be a success.
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Well, its a big success. The line to get in was longer (according to the new yorkers i talked to) than any line seen in many years.
wvParticipantWell they cant win ‘as many’ without him. And i dont think they can challenge for a wildcard berth without a healthy Quinn and Donald.
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vwvParticipantWell, i wasnt raising the Corbett issue, BT. Corbett didnt talk about the ‘sheepdip’ thing. An ex CIA guy did. Corbett was just quoting him.
Corbett is a separate issue. I dunno what i think of Corbett. I dont dismiss him the way you do, though. I know he’s ‘out there’ on some issues, but i think he’s good on other issues (corporate power, for example).
But again, i dont buy into Corbett’s theory about McVeigh, but I am simply pointing to that one quote on ‘sheepdipping’ by the CIA guy.
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vFair enough. Sorry if I come across as a nudge on this stuff. I come back and reread what I’ve written, and then your responses, and feel guilty about bringing it up at all. I guess I’m just seeing a lot of “crazy” out there these days, and I’m reacting to it. Probably not the right place to do that, cuz you just want to bring new things into the discussion — stuff that is rarely talked about.
Anyway . . . yeah, that sheep-dipping thing is deeply disturbing. I’ve always loved espionage thrillers — when they’re fiction. But I’m not at all thrilled when it’s reality. It should remain in the realm of the novel, film or TV drama.
You’re right. A culture of lies.
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On Corbett though…he’s a mixed bag. Yeah, lots of conspiracy stuff, but he’s no Alex Jones. You get some good stuff from Corbett. Just have to wade through some bad stuff. I dont mind.For example i enjoyed this little thing on ‘learned optimism’.
wvParticipantWV,
All of us are seeking the truth. We all have our own ways of getting there. And who’s to say which pathway is the “right” one, blah blah blah. You know the drill. But, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say Corbett doesn’t help anyone in that search.
He’s a crackpot believer in Pizzagate, a 9/11 Truther, and connected with Alex Jones and infowars.
Yes, the government lies to us all the time, and hides stuff from us all the time, especially about corporate control of government, the military, the MIC and our Intel “community.” But the answer to those lies isn’t more lies and wild conspiracy theories from online hacks. To me, it just makes it that much harder to cut through the fog. It adds a new layer of hair’s on fire absurdity on top of the lies and hidden nature in question.
Just my take. But we can do a hell of a lot better than folks like Corbett.
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Well, i wasnt raising the Corbett issue, BT. Corbett didnt talk about the ‘sheepdip’ thing. An ex CIA guy did. Corbett was just quoting him.
Corbett is a separate issue. I dunno what i think of Corbett. I dont dismiss him the way you do, though. I know he’s ‘out there’ on some issues, but i think he’s good on other issues (corporate power, for example).
But again, i dont buy into Corbett’s theory about McVeigh, but I am simply pointing to that one quote on ‘sheepdipping’ by the CIA guy.
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vwvParticipantProbably the one sentence this year, that was most salient to me (concerning the rams) was the one about “Goff being like a point guard.”
To me that says it all. And i like it. McVay will try to create a system where Goff can distribute the ball quickly to various targets.
He’s so raw he will make some hideous, heart-breaking mistakes this season, but one hopes to see gradual, continuous progress and an increasing number of talent-flashes, and maybe by the end of the year, he’ll be downright dangerous.
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vwvParticipantMy problem with that kind of view/(defense) of the CIA, is that nowhere in that recording did he say “the United States has no RIGHT to be interfering in other nations elections, etc…” He’s still a true-believer. He thinks there can be a ‘Good’ CIA.
My own view is there can never be a ‘good’ CIA in a corporate-capitalist system anymore than there can be a ‘good’ mega-corporation in a corporate-capitalist-system.
A secret, powerful, spy agency that lies to the public on a regular basis, is never gonna be a ‘good’ thing, in my view. Just my opinion. I think the CIA will always poison democracy.
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vwvParticipantSome Reps worry about the Deep State:
“… In October, Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan, once President Reagan’s speechwriter, wrote: “I have come to wonder if we don’t have what amounts to a deep state within the outer state in the U.S. — a deep state consisting of our intelligence and security agencies, which are so vast and far-flung in their efforts that they themselves don’t fully know who’s in charge and what everyone else is doing.”
fwiw:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-burnett/the-war-on-democracy-the-_b_4918553.htmlwvParticipantI just dont know that that is true, BT. First off I dont think of Russia as an ‘adversary’. Why are they ‘my’ adversary? They might be the CIA’s adversary, but they aint mine.
Yes they are your adversary. If looked at logically, absolutely. And more importantly, the adversary of the Russian people themselves, which is something that also deserves attention too.
It;’s the RUSSIAN line that they are simply these reactive pawns in an American/Nato game. One of the massively disappointing things to me about the left in the last few years is how many of them swallow that Russian line. It’s not real. It;’s just successful propaganda.
And then many act like you have to choose. BS. Listen to Russian leftists. Anyone not doing that does not know this issue. And I will stand by that statement, for very good reasons.
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Ok, so we disagree on that.
The US Government is more my ‘adversary’ than the Rooskies.
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vwvParticipantPS – I think Trumps Domestic Policies are worse than any President in my lifetime.
I’m not sure i know what his foreign policies even ‘are’ so I dunno about them.
His environmental policies alone are enough to make him the worst President in history, i would think.
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vwvParticipantTo make a long story short, WV . . . It’s just not close. No other candidate/president comes within light years of the amount of lying or the endless trail of shady business practices or outright corruption. No other candidate/president comes within light years of so many close ties to a foreign adversary, or has sought to protect them to such a degree.
To me, it’s one thing to say a pox on all of their houses, which I do. But there’s also such a thing as being demonstrably worse than all the other crooked pols, and Trump is in the White House right now. They aren’t.
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I just dont know that that is true, BT. First off I dont think of Russia as an ‘adversary’. Why are they ‘my’ adversary? They might be the CIA’s adversary, but they aint mine.
And second, i just dont know if Trump had more ties to foreign governments than, say, Clinton or Bush or any of the others. These things are often done in secret. So how would we know? How do we know who those princes from Saudi Arabia talk to?
I’m not defending Trump, btw. I loathed him long before he became a politician.
Matt Taibbi had an interesting comment a while back on Trump. He was asked about this russian shit storm, and he said basically (i think) that he thought when all was said and done that Trump and his people would not be found to be doing ‘traitorous’ things, but instead just banal money-grubbing type stuff. Personal enrichment stuff. That kind of corruption.
At any rate, my thing is the big picture now. The big system. What is it, and what is it doing, and what happened to the citizens to allow such a thing to happen.
Its a big fat Lie-Machine. And the citizen-victims…what are they now ?
Billy we live in a gangster-state. I mean take the ‘education’ system — how is it that the most powerful secret-lie-factory in the Western-world — that would be the CIA — is never even mentioned in grade-school, high-school, etc ?Its never even mentioned. No-one talks about it, no-one asks about it.
Now what does that mean to YOU ? What does it say about the amerikan system and the american citizenry ?
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vwvParticipantBT i have a different view of all this Russia/Trump stuff. Or maybe I should put it this way — i have a shitload of questions.
One of my questions would be how many other bigtime politicians have had contacts with representatives of other nations during campaigns? Israel for example. How many candidates have sucked up to Israel during and after their campaigns? Hillary? Obama? Bush? Reagan? All of em? Why isnt There a drumbeat about THAT in the NY-Times and Wash-post?
That would be just one of my questions. I have a gazillion that have to do with ‘context’ of all these Russia questions.
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vwvParticipantWhat do you think about this, WV? CIA internal conflicts, mostly due to worries about its head, Mike Pompeo, being a Trump loyalist and possibly working to protect him from the investigation.
This falls into your bucket of “who do we choose to believe?”
At CIA, a watchful eye on Mike Pompeo, the president’s ardent ally
Excerpt:“People have to watch him,” said a U.S. official who, like others, requested anonymity to speak frankly. “It’s almost as if he can’t resist the impulse to be political.”
A second former CIA official cited a “real concern for interference and politicization,” saying that the worry among some at the agency is “that if you were passing on something too dicey [to Pompeo] he would go to the White House with it.”
Pompeo has attributed his direct supervision of the counterintelligence center to a desire to place a greater emphasis on preventing leaks and protecting classified secrets — core missions of the center that are also top priorities for Trump.
It’s can be a truly crazy dynamic when political appointees, who run these agencies, are at (obvious and perhaps irreconcilable) odds with the rank and file. The appointees are typically trained at spin. The rank and file aren’t. Either way, when it comes to Trump and Russia, they seem to have vastly different interests.
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Oh, I just think there’s a split in the deep-state, BT.
The DNC/Hillary/Obama/CIA-business-as-usual faction. And the new Trump/Pat-Buchannon/David-Duke faction.A split between the Boltons and the Lannisters.
Its all pretty disgusting. GOC. Game of Corporate-Capitalism.
Trump vs Hillary was like Cercei Lannister running against Ramsay Bolton.
And there was John Snow running as an outsider candidate — and the peepulz voted for Bolton and Cercei, cause “they dint wanna waste their vote.”
The system has done destroyed the peepulz brains. Ah well.
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vwvParticipantit doesnt really resolve the question of “who started the Korean War?”
There was fighting before, and atrocities, and no heroes on either side before the “official” war began. In THAT sense who started it is simple–everyone.
But the full-fledged invasion with intent to re-unify the whole peninsula through force of arms? That was the North, with a direct go-ahead from Stalin. The north mistakenly believed they would be greeted by a popular uprising.
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Well, I’m talking about the first sense above, not the actual invasion.
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vwvParticipantThis was all posted before.
Blum’s comment above is dated and sheds no new light, along with being wrong.
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Well even if all that were true (and again, unlike you, i dont know how true any of that is), it doesnt really resolve the question of “who started the Korean War?”
I mean, if all i knew was that John punched Sam first. That would not tell me who was more at fault or who really ’caused’ the fight. I mean, maybe Sam did all kinds of things to cause John to throw the first punch….blah blah blah.
Basically I’m saying War is complicated, and Information on war is difficult to trust. For me.
Let a thousand flowers blum.
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vwvParticipantZn posts something by a chinese scholar translated by a State Department guy. The fact that a US State Department guy translated it, immediately triggered alarms and wariness in my brain. I didnt ‘dismiss’ it, but immediately i was wary of it — why?
That Chinese scholar, who is still alive, is not the only scholar who had access to those records.
And if a translator lies, that goes to editors and publishers too, and the scholar in question has the power to declare the work alters her original. It is very likely that the writer of the review I posted and the Chinese writer of the book know each other.
You can’t get out of things that easy. That’s a respected book, and as I said it is not the only work of scholarship out there that went into the old Soviet archives. In other discussions I have already posted other people citing the same material.
It’s too easy to say everyone who worked for the State Department is part of a unified general conspiracy and is capable of getting away with something like that, when something like that is so easily exposed. One email to the publisher from the author.
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Well i knew you were going to say that. I get where you are coming from.
I did not say “everyone who works for the State Dept is part of a unified conspiracy” — But i dont trust the State Dept. And I’m wary of any information they approve of. Again, i dont ‘dismiss’ it — but I’m wary of it. Thats just me. The info could very well be true and accurate.
My meta-point isnt really about the particular book, or the State Dept. My point is, in a Culture-of-Lies, Psyops, Propaganda, CIA-influenced-Publishers, Corporate-media, etc — its hard to know what to believe.
I’m not trying to ‘persuade’ anyone, about anything. Just sharing my own perspective. I dont have a clue, about the Korean thing.
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wvParticipantDoes anyone do baleful-furious-bitter-ice-cold-hate
better than Cercei?I still think Nymeria is the best actress
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vwvParticipantI cant wait. In fact I think I’ll start my review a day ahead of time…..The producers screwed up by making fewer episodes; there wasnt enough character development in this last episode. It was all action. Though the final scene with the Pterodactyl and the time machine was interesting.
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vDragons are cool.
I have to say the GOT dragons are the best depictions of living dragons since St. George slew the last one towards the end of the Middle Ages. It was just a cub though.
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You know, for a scientist, you dont seem to understand animal classification systems. The ‘dragons’ are actually WYVERNS.
link: http://nerdist.com/game-of-thrones-dragons-are-actually-wyverns/
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vwvParticipantWell, i know nothing about the Korean War, and I dont have time or energy to research it and even if i did, i doubt i would come to any clear conclusions — which is my continuing meta-point. I mean the Korean War is supposed to be one of those wars thats understood (at least according to the MSM) — and yet here we are debating about the causes.
Zn posts something by a chinese scholar translated by a State Department guy. The fact that a US State Department guy translated it, immediately triggered alarms and wariness in my brain. I didnt ‘dismiss’ it, but immediately i was wary of it — why? Cause the American powers-that-be lie constantly. BT posts other articles and I have no idea how trustworthy ‘they’ are. So, once again, I’m left in this postmodern “I dunno” state.
I’m in that state more and more these days. And i see no way out of it.
Thats just me. Other folks are living out other realities 🙂
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vwvParticipantJust sounds like the game has not slowed down yet, for Goff.
Which is understandable given:
1 He comes from the Air-raid college background.
2 He’s played a total of, what? 8 games plus a handful of preseason series.
3 He’s learning a new pro system, after learning the fisher system last year.I cant understand some folk deciding he’s a bust already (no-one here).
I consider anyone who hasnt played 16 games a rookie — he’s a rookie.
He plays like one. Up and down.The flashes are there, though. So, there’s hope. But we dunno.
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vAugust 27, 2017 at 10:18 am in reply to: Russia’s Attacks on Democracy Aren’t Only a Problem for America #73354wvParticipantOk, no heat, no tension from my side. Just disagreement about Russia.
“the Russians use all means of attack available to them to defend and expand their sphere. They are not provoked into it to act 2nd…they do what they are capable of doing, while also expanding what they are doing. They’re not fighting back as if under threat with the need to respond, they’re aggressive in the first place..”
See, you are sure of this. I am not sure of it. I mull it over, but I’m not sure of it. How can we know that Russia would be doing what its doing if it didnt feel surrounded by NATO ? How do we know? All we know for sure is it IS being surrounded by NATO and this huge-amerikan-gangster state. And it reacts.
So we disagree. You are ‘sure’ that Russia is not just ‘reacting’ and ‘fighting fire with fire’. And I am not sure. But i am totally open to the russian explanation that they are just fighting fire with fire, etc.
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vwvParticipant20 year difference in life expectancy. Changes our DNA….
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