zn wrote:

sanbagger wrote:

I would like to know what caused the divide between Fisher and Snead

One story out there seemed to be that Snead screwed up re-signing Jenkins. Here’s the article from the time that started the “toxic Rams” discussion.

link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/rams-junior-high-inside-a-dysfunctional-front-office/
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IIRC the GM doesn’t work out the details of contracts nor try and fit players in to the cap…that all fall under KD and his wiz kid in the office.

It seems as though Fisher is blaming some of the failed picks on Snead and Co.

Am I not reading that correctly or what?

I knew I wasn’t the only one that knew that…WV wins the prize.

I admit..I’m still a blue and yellow guy but I am starting to like the blue and white better.

The uniform will look better when they can shed the old colors from the jersey.

Edit….They kinda remind me of the old Baltimore Colts

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Thanks Nittany…that was a good read…I might just have to buy that book.

zn wrote:

SB, to be clear, this is my view: no one–no team–has the next guy up when OLs get THAT injured. In fact I consider it a myth that it’s even possible.

Fair enough…and you back your view with some very interesting points.

Here is my view….I take everything you posted in to account and put that up against what I watched week in and week out and what I read from players and coaches saying the O-line/RB’s weren’t on the same page and my conclusion is Boo did not do a good enough job.

I defended Boo for a lot of years but Sanbagger is officially off that train.

canadaram wrote:

zn wrote:

Are Cory Harkey’s days with the Rams over?

I hope not. I’m a fan of Harkey and the role that he plays on he Rams. Harkey had a slower 40 time than Rogers, but I like that he outweighs Rogers by nearly 30lbs.

I like Harkey as well but I just don’t see them keeping 2 FB’s.

Rogers also is known as a very good ST’s player and if I remember correctly, I don’t believe Harkey was in on the ST’s.

zn wrote:

1. The Rams had decent OLs and good OL coaching from 2012-2015, but what hurt them was injuries. I mean massive, extensive injuries. Sometimes this gets responded to with people saying “well all teams have injuries”—and no, not all teams have unit killing multiple extensive simultaneous injuries to their OLs. And the ones that do generally suffer (unless they have a qb who can still excel in those conditions, like Brady or Wilson).

2. In fact when the Rams OLs were relatively healthy from the 2nd half of 2012 through 2013, they did fine. When they were multiply injured and/or very inexperienced (2015) they predictably did not do as well.

3. They were awful in 2016 but that came from a lot of causes. To me 2016 was a perfect cluster storm of multiple things all going wrong at once. I think 2016 was unique.

4. 2016 is over, Kromer has a nice history, and he has indicated that in fact in Buffalo he was looking at some of the guys the Rams drafted in 2015. So he thinks there’s guys to work with. We agree they better be right, but still. Plus of course they added Whitworth and Sullivan (I am one of those who believes Sullivan has already shown he can still play). SO it is possible that they could get back to being decent. I absolutely would not rule that out, though of course, I ain’t committing to full optimism on this until we have visible on the field evidence.

my views on your views….

1) I agree they had serviceable lines during that period and if they had good coaching in 2015 they had to have had good coaching in 2016 since it was the same guy.
I’m not sold on Boo as since the injuries so decimated them they didn’t really have the next guy up….and I know the numbers, I have read your posts on this many times. Lets just go with I mostly agree with point 1.

2) I will also agree with point 2 courtesy of your aforementioned postings.

3) They were flat out dreadful last year. One of the coaches told me that when Kromer watched the tape of the 2016 Rams line he said they were a mess and didn’t even appear to be on the same page (plays). That is 100% coaching…and I know Boo is very highly thought of in the coaching circles…that said, I do agree that were many different variables at play that could have led to distractions for the players.

4) I’m also very excited about the addition of Kromer and Whitworth not as much with regards to Sullivan. I agree that through good coaching and a fresh revamping this line could be decent (average).

wv wrote:

sanbagger wrote:

Maybe a little harsh because I wanted a Center this year….again. Well, there’s always next year….again.

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On Spruce, looks to me like Kupp is a more athletic version of Spruce. I like Spruce but Kupp
looks like he has more to offer than Spruce.

The Center issue — this seems to be the one issue that is bothering Ram fans all over the internet.
I dont have the slightest idea whether McV and his OLine coach have solved that problem, but if they havent its going to be a long year. Lets hope they know what they are doing.

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Yea…I’ve read that about Kupp….It will interesting to see them head to head in pre-season to take a look at the comparison.

I think Kromer is gonna get a back-up Center from what is already available…hopefully it pans out sooner rather than later as we are a knee injury from trouble right now IMO.

PA Ram wrote:

I’m giving them a “C” but then I have no idea so it’s a fairly safe grade. There isn’t one pick who stands out to me that makes me go: “YEAH!”. It’s more like a bunch of bodies who may bring certain skills which will allow the offense to exploit things–as zn said.

I really was hoping they’d find a center somewhere in the draft but it didn’t work out that way.

Everett? A lot seems to be riding on “potential”. I’m not saying he wasn’t productive. But it was a smaller school and that always gives me the “Brian Quick” heebee jeebees. But of course–I hope he’s much better than that. And he can’t be worse, really. Obviously tight ends are going to be important.

Kupp? I just find myself wondering if a healthy Spruce could not have offered the same thing that Kupp will bring. But can Spruce stay healthy/ Good question. In any case, his value was fantastic for a 3rd round pick.

The others? Just names to me for now.

I hope they all pan out but some obviously won’t.

Still, I do think that these players were picked with Phillips and McVay in mind–and what they want to do. I see a bunch of role players–hopefully solid role players and championship teams certainly need that.

The stars will still have to be Gurley, Goff, and Austin. If those three perform then these role players will be just what the team needs. But a team needs some stars too and a coach with a plan.

Stay tuned.

I agree with just about all of this. I’m grading them on my criteria and what I wanted….so a C it is.

Why draft a fullback? I love Harkey….does the team have room for 2 FB’s?

Kupp reminds me of another Spruce…but I can’t deny the production.

Maybe a little harsh because I wanted a Center this year….again. Well, there’s always next year….again.

I’ll MTL click in and out…gotta keep an eye on what’s happening and if any juicy rumors are cropping up…but I won’t be glued like usual.

Update.I asked if Kromer was a zone block scheme or a man block…I was told he was gonna be more of a gap block scheme….not sure what to take from that.

I will say this…the O-line coach in San Diego absolutely loves Kromer and is his disciple…I think the Chargers O-line will be very similar to what the Rams run.

By the way….The coach had his superbowl ring from the Broncos and I had a picture with it on my finger…that thing is amazing…got the pic on my phone, if I can I will post it here,

I can’t think of anything that would be more devastating than to be the cause of my own child’s death.

I can’t imagine the hurt this man is going through at this time.

My prayers are extended to the Heap family.

You know how he we question things like “who made that selection” or “who decided to bring in that free agent”? Well…in Denver, those types of questions are non existent because there is no doubt who made the call.

Would Peyton have that type of power in LA?…My guy says NO.

wv wrote:

I am skeptical that GRob can play RT at a high level.

I’m concerned he’s gonna get Goff killed at some point.

Why not keep Hav at RT and put GRob at guard?

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Kinda my thoughts as well…maybe to a slightly lesser degree regarding GRob’s ability to handle RT.

I personally think they are gonna give GRob a shot, but he doesn’t have the length of rope he has had the previous years…I really believe these guys will move him or bench him if he just isn’t getting it…in other words, he isn’t protected any longer…sink or swim young Jedi.

As far as the Hav to giard situation…this just might be a good thing for him. I know he’s a little tall for a guard, but he has shown that once he get’s locked up with a guy he rarely get’s beat.

Britt has always been a bit of a prickly pear…a bomb just sitting there waiting to go off…well, it went off.

Britt thinks he’s one of the best in the game and it probably angers him when he sees guys like Austin, who he feels is inferior, gettin paid while he had to pack his bags and head to Cleveland.

I’m glad TA didn’t take the bait and post a retaliatory post…KB looks like the spoiled little kid and TA looks like the mature professional.