How good is the roster? Let’s take a look at some highlights from the last few games:

I don’t think there is any doubt that Russia tried to influence the election, and that’s just based on statements they were making. I also don’t think there is any doubt that Trump has at the very least ties to people with ties to Putin.

How much “hacking” they did, I don’t know.

I wish they would present the evidence. I’d love to see what it actually is. Otherwise it’s hard to know anything.

But Trump is going to be very pro-Russia. Now you can argue whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing. There are two sides to that, of course. And it’s all very complicated when tied up in the world of international diplomacy.

But I do believe Putin is a lot smarter than Trump.

That will be in interesting relationship to watch.

Trump will first and foremost be ruled by his business interests. Everything else is secondary.

Mackeyser wrote:

They frankly LOVE the model where they’ve totally sold out and simply get to plagiarize dying newspapers while they ESPN the news with “panels” talking about the news…

This makes the news unwatchable. No one is a bigger offender of this than CNN. They gotta have 4, 6, 8 people on a panel screaming over each other. It is the most useless thing on television. They set up these WWF matches and run with them. It has nothing to do with informing anyone of anything.

Sure–it’s cheap to do things that way but it’s also useless.

You may as well watch pro wrestling. They have better characters.

Unless this changes–I don’t see how the country ever gets sane again. They have a vital job to do.

And they aren’t.

Yes–I will echo sanbagger. I do think that you make strong points, zn. But I do think the o-line failed this year. I think Gurley also failed and that lack of a running game killed them.

I don’t really know why.

He seems REALLY nervous. I can’t blame him. I really feel bad for the guy. He never expected this and especially that HE would be the guy to take over. And to top it off he has a short week. It’ll be interesting to see how the last three games go.

I was surprised but not shocked.

I really do think it is for the best. This team needs a fresh set of eyes, some other ideas.

Some personnel changes.

I don’t know what happens from here. There is clearly some talented pieces on this football team. I’m not sure a complete rebuild is in order. If the right guy is hired this can be a quick turnaround. Still, I expect a couple of rocky years as new systems are installed. I think that getting the right guy for Goff has to be one of the top considerations. I have no idea about names. They have plenty of time. I hope they pick the right guy. Only time will tell. But I’m ready to move forward.

I have nothing personally against Fisher. He seems like a nice guy. The players like him.

But ultimately performance matters.

I wish him well.

Zooey wrote:

First of all, Gurley didn’t say, “High school offense.”

He said, “Middle school offense.”

Believe me, as a guy whose high school just put a 57 -16 beatdown on Bakersfield Saturday night in the state semi-final game, and is on its way to the state championship for the second consecutive year (defending champs), I know what a high school offense looks like.

And the Rams are NOT at that level.

Fisher is only in year 5 of his 7 year deal. Give him some time.

It’s not surprising that his players would come out strong for him. He brought most of them here. They’re HIS guys. And I will say one thing about Fisher: players seem to like him. He really does seem to be a player’s coach. I don’t see him as a guy who players turn on–even if things are going bad. I believe they genuinely do like him. And that’s a very positive thing.

You WANT that.

I think that’s a plus for Fisher.

But at the end of the day–if those same players do not perform–it doesn’t matter. They aren’t prepared to play. That’s the bigger issue. No amount of love for the coach matters if it doesn’t translate to wins on Sunday. We see the same things over and over. And I am sure Fisher brings up penalties, and mistakes all the time with these guys. What coach wouldn’t? Maybe it’s the players themselves–just unable to focus. If that’s the case –it’s still on Fisher. They are his guys. Him and Snead.

They own all of it. The whole package.

So player respect and love is a good thing. But it has to lead to wins.

The game is closer than it looks.

bnw wrote:

PA Ram wrote:

Does it bother you at all that the new NSA believed a crazy conspiracy involving Clinton of some insane child sex ring from the some pizza shop?

Why is it crazy? Sex trafficking is real. Bill Clinton made numerous trips to a known pedophile’s “Pleasure Island” on the the pedophile’s private jet the “Lolita Express”. Podesta from the wikileaks is an apparent satanist. Hildabeast latched on to a 19 year old Huma to become a power couple. Very odd. Now about Pizzagate I don’t know. I know it is a real thing in the UK.

About Sandy Hook I’ve only responded to the gun control efforts it had spawned since there is a poster here from Newtown who has made it clear they have suffered tangentially from the tragedy. So out of respect I will not discuss nor dissect Sandy Hook.

BNW, I say this without trying to make anything personal, but you seriously need to read WHY this was fake news. I don’t know where you’re gathering information but you should get out of that bubble and investigate these things further–see where they came from. You are getting stuck in a conspiracy web. And you aren’t alone. That’s not good for anyone.

The pizza story grew because someone thought that they mentioned pizza a lot in the wikileaks. From there we get Comet Ping Pong pizza and a child sex ring. It is truly bizarre.

Read other sources with an open mind. Question things. You question climate science. Question this to the level you do that.

bnw wrote:

I love it! “Credible sources”! You mean like those all over the MSM stating Hildabeast has a 97% chance of winning?

You must not have looked too hard? This is from your state and is 8 days old.

http://www.timesherald.com/general-news/20161130/delaware-county-elector-receives-hundreds-of-daily-emails-urging-him-not-to-vote-trump

I read the article several times.

I think you’re seeing things that aren’t there. The only thing close to this:

“Anything includes Hildabeast supporters threatening the lives of electors with the help of state officials releasing the address and phone numbers of electors.”

Is that that this electors’s address and email may have been revealed, and the state HAS to release that information, according to the article. It talks about auto generated pleas from progressive groups that are urging this guy to vote for anyone else–even Mitt Romney.

Nothing about death threats.

Nothing about some state conspiracy.

Nothing about the evil Hillary Clinton(you know the pizza lady)supporters having anything to do with it. It could have been people who voted for Stein, or even #NeverTrump Republicans.

This is a problem. Does it bother you at all that the new NSA believed a crazy conspiracy involving Clinton of some insane child sex ring from the some pizza shop?

See–what’s happening is that there are no facts anymore. No truth. Objective truth no longer exists. Everything is subjective.

I’m not fan of the MSM. But yes–they are more credible than Infowars, or Breitbart.

Maybe you have more articles. Fine. I would never support making death threats against an elector. But THIS article doesn’t say that. You got that somewhere else. I don’t know where.

What do you think about Sandy Hook? What do you believe?

I’m not sure America survives four years of Trump and his wacko cabinet.

And IF Trump lost in four years I’m not certain he would give up power. And IF he did give up power I can see Alex Jones as the guy filling his shoes.

This nation is not grounded in reality anymore.

Anything can happen.

zn wrote:

PA Ram wrote:

How important is actually winning to him?

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I don’t agree with the way you frame that.

You build in an assumption I don’t accept.

You ASSUME that sticking with Fisher would mean not caring about winning. Well you make see it that way but it would take A LOT to make me think SK saw it that way.

Now you are a dedicated Recordite but what if SK is a Contextista? What if he believes, legitimately, that Fisher does not reduce to his record, but that the situation worked against him? That is–they need a qb and have for 3 years.

Unless you want to be a completely fundamentalist Recordite, which knowing you I assume you don’t (ie. the fundamentalist part), you have to concede it’s at least theoretically possible someone else, including SK, could see it differently.

We don’t know what will happen. We all have guesses. For that matter we could ALL be completely wrong and things happen for reasons no one anticipated. BUT what we CAN’T do IMO is speak for SK as if we knew his mind through mind-reading.

So to me you just have to concede this…for all we know, SK does not share your assumptions. That’s really possible.

Again we are mostly just debating things based on what each of us thinks. That makes it a clash of opinions. When it comes to SK’s mind, we’re all just guessing. So absolutely, I would never simply assume that (1) SK “doesn’t care about winning,” and (2) that for him keeping Fisher would mean he “doesn’t care about winning.” That’s YOU. It’s a valid opinion in terms of it just being an opinion, but you cannot possibly claim you know SK’s mind

There are perfectly valid ways to construe this where he keeps Fisher BECAUSE he cares about winning.

Fair enough?

Yes–that is fair.

I said that I didn’t know enough about Stan to know his mind and then made a statement about him not caring like we care. And I absolutely have no idea. Those are just assumptions–you’re right.

But the contextistas are wrong. That’s one thing I think we can all agree on. 🙂

Jeff Fisher has had a tough week, with the contract extension news, the lingering ED controversy, not being able to find the challenge flag. This would seem to be the kind of game where the Rams come out with an “us against the world” mentality and absolutely smash the Falcons to the shock of everyone.

I’m just not sure if they’re capable of that.

Especially on offense.

This seems so much like the Saints game.

I’ll split the difference.

Falcons: 27 Rams: 16

You can’t overstate his value to this team. We have an all-time great.