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  • in reply to: GMO Mosquitoes to be released in Florida ? #19186
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    Scientific consensus on the safety of GMO foods higher than that for global warming…

    http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/01/29/pewaaas-study-scientific-consensus-on-gmo-safety-stronger-than-for-global-warming/

    in reply to: New Helmet Concept #19105
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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>nittany ram wrote:</div>
    The true path is unknown to you?

    Are you not of the body?

    true path

    If the body is a slavish devotion to swirls masquerading as horns on a helmet then no. In fact I am sworn to cleanse the helmet born of the graffiti insult of an obviously bored Rams player wanting a career in fashion design. Down with the body.

    You will be absorbed.

    in reply to: NFL will 'sweeten the pot' to keep the Rams in St. Louis #19100
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    in reply to: GMO Mosquitoes to be released in Florida ? #19099
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    Nittany, have you read The Omnivore’s Dilemma?

    No I haven’t. It was written by Pollan, right?

    in reply to: New Helmet Concept #19079
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    The true path is unknown to you?

    Are you not of the body?

    true path

    in reply to: GMO Mosquitoes to be released in Florida ? #19078
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    A few thoughts…

    Well I’m all for having the debate. Let’s have it. The vaccination debate is finally happening and perhaps it’s way past time that it happens for GMOs.

    About monocultures. This method of farming existed long before GMOs came on the scene. It’s driven by economics. In places like Iowa corn is typically planted because it produces a higher yield with a smaller risk than other crops. So it’s planted over and over again with little crop rotation. But this didn’t happen as a result of GMOs. It was already happening and GMO corn was just thrown into the mix.

    My take away from that video is that Pollan seems like a thoughtful and reasonable guy but he still doesn’t understand the science. Granted he says he isn’t convinced that GMOs represent a health hazard but he also doesn’t seem to see the benefits. He dismisses the environmental benefits out of hand. To me that’s not something to be glossed over. It’s estimated that there will be 10 billion people on this planet by 2050. We need a way to drastically improve crop yields if we are to save any of the remaining wild areas on the earth, or risk it being all plowed under. Improved farming methods can only take you so far. At some point you need to improve the crop itself. Put it this way, if GMOs are harmful then we better figure out a way to make them not so because our future depends on them.

    BTW, my interest in GMOs is limited and has little to do with food production anyway. It has more to do with disease eradicaton and saving wild species. See examples of this in the links below…

    http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2014/12/20/gmo-trees-saving-the-american-chestnut-tree/

    http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2014/12/09/gmo-hiv-still-helping-kids/

    in reply to: New Helmet Concept #19026
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    Ok, I think it’s time for everyone to stop fuckin’ with the helmets. The Rams have already strayed too far off the one true path as it is. Let’s not venture any further into oblivion.

    in reply to: GMO Mosquitoes to be released in Florida ? #19024
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    But I’ll say this — I would put the ‘burden of proof’ on
    the GMO Corporations to PROVE its safe. I would
    not put the burden on the consumers.

    True. And as the article says, GMO foods are the most highly tested food there is.

    I’d also make the GMO Corps stop fighting honest,
    open and accurate Labeling of their products.
    Why are they fighting that? Let consumers have
    a choice and decide for themselves.

    Here’s my problem with that. Then all food has to be labled GMO. That’s even true for so-called organic food because it’s all been genetically modified. It’s been modified through artificial selection. And the unavoidable byproduct of life is genetic modification. It’s going to happen whether it occurs naturally or artificially. Someone might say, “but that isn’t the same” but any geneticist will tell you that “yes indeed, it is the same”.

    Personally, like i say, I doubt if there is a problem
    with most GMO food. But i do think, sooner or later
    there will be a problem. Just a guess though.

    Well, I don’t think there will be but that’s why all this stuff is tested so thoroughly.

    One of the things i’d discuss with that Pro-GMO-writer
    is — he makes it seem like this is a debate about “science”.
    But there is no “pure food science,”
    there’s only science-mixed-with-mega-Corporations.
    And the Corporations have a long record
    of lying about…um….everything.

    True, but the safety of GMO foods has been verified by plenty of independent laboratories as well.

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    in reply to: New Helmet Concept #18968
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    If the Rams ever come out of the tunnel wearing that helmet I’ll quit the game.

    in reply to: GMO Mosquitoes to be released in Florida ? #18965
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    http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/anti-gmo-propaganda/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Published by Steven Novella under General Science
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    There is so much anti-science propaganda out there I often feel like I am emptying the ocean with a spoon. Just today I was faced with an array of choices for my post – should I take on anti-vaccine, anti-GMO, or anti-AGW propaganda? For today, anyway, anti-GMO won. I’ll get to the others eventually.

    This was sent to me by a reader – 5 reasons to avoid GMOs. The content is mostly tired anti-GMO tropes (lies, really) that have been thoroughly debunked, but it is good to address such propaganda in a concise way. Also, it is a useful demonstration of the intellectual dishonesty of the anti-GMO movement. I may not get through all of them today – each one is so densely packed with wrong, and it takes longer to correct a misconception than to create one. Here is point #1 – GMOs are not healthy:

    GMOs are unhealthy: Since the introduction of GMOs in the mid-1990s, the number of food allergies has sky-rocketed, and health issues such as autism, digestive problems and reproductive disorders are on the rise. Animal testing with GMOs has resulted in cases of organ failure, digestive disorders, infertility and accelerated aging. Despite an announcement in 2012 by the American Medical Association stating they saw no reason for labeling genetically modified foods, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine has urged doctors to prescribe non-GMO diets for their patients.

    The author begins with an assumption of causation from correlation. The increase in food allergies actually does not correlate well with the introduction of GMOs. The correlation between organic food and autism is much more impressive. In fact, the organic food industry has been rising steadily over this same time period, and so one could make the even stronger point that organic food causes all the listed ills.

    Food allergies is a particularly bad target for fear mongering, however. There has yet to be a single case of food allergy linked to a GMO. Not one. Further, GMOs are tested for the allergic potential. Allergenic foods have features in common. For example, the proteins that provoke and allergic response are able to survive stomach acids sufficiently intact that they can still produce a reaction. Scientists can therefore test any new proteins against known allergens and look for homology. (The same is true for known toxins.) This, of course, is not an absolute guarantee, but it is a very good safety net, and it has worked so far.

    What about the animal studies? Well, 19 years of animal feeding with GMO has not resulted in any detectable increase in negative health outcomes of livestock. Further, systematic reviews of animal feeding studies have shown no harm. The author here is cherry picking a couple of poor quality outliers. They don’t give specific references, but the same few studies (such as the retracted Seralini study) always crop up on such lists.

    They finish with an odd argument from authority. They mention that the AMA says GMOs are safe, but fail to mention the dozens of other medical and scientific organizations that have also reviewed the evidence and found current GMO crops to be safe. Instead they cherry pick another outlier, an anti-GMO environmental group.

    They increase herbicide use: When Monsanto came up with the idea for Round-up Ready crops, the theory was to make the crops resistant to the pesticide that would normally kill them. This meant the farmers could spray the crops, killing the surrounding weeds and pests without doing any harm to the crops themselves. However, after a number of years have passed, many weeds and pests have themselves become resistant to the spray, and herbicide-use increased (both in amount and strength) by 11% between 1996 and 2011. Which translates to – lots more pesticide residue in our foods – yum!

    The story is more complex than this cartoon. First, the introduction of Bt GMO varieties has clearly reduced the use of insecticide (pesticides include insecticides and herbicides). The introduction of glyphosate resistant crops has increased the use of glyphosate (an herbicide), but decreased the use of other herbicides. Total herbicide use has actually decreased. Further, glyphosate is among the least toxic herbicides, and so the trend has been to replace more toxic herbicides with a less toxic herbicide.

    Therefore, the bottom line conclusion of the author – more pesticides in our food – is the opposite of the truth.

    Herbicide resistant crops has also allowed the reduction in tilling, which harms the soil and releases CO2 into the atmosphere.

    It is true that overreliance on any single strategy for weed control will lead to resistance. This is a generic problem with any strategy that we use. This is a problem of the massive farming needed to feed the world, and is not unique to GMO. Therefore, of course we need to use technology carefully and thoughtfully to optimize sustainability. Some form of integrated pest management is therefore probably a good idea, but this is not incompatible with GMO technology.

    They are everywhere! GMOs make up about 70-80% of our foods in the United States. Most foods that contain GMOs are processed foods. But they also exist in the form of fresh vegetables such as corn on the cob, papaya and squash. The prize for the top two most genetically modified crops in the United States goes to corn and soy. Think about how many foods in your pantry or refrigerator contain corn or its byproducts (high fructose corn syrup) or soy and its byproducts (partially hydrogenated soybean oil).

    So what? GMO are safe to eat. They are good for the environment. I would be happy if 100% of our crops were genetically modified in order to optimize their traits. In fact, 100% of our crops have been extensively genetically modified through breeding over centuries and even millennia. You would hardly recognize the pre-modified versions of the food you eat every day.

    GM technology is faster and more precise. It can also introduce genes from distant branches of life, but again – so what? All life on earth shares a common genetic code and basic biochemistry. We share genes with peas. There is no such thing as a “fish gene” really. There are just genes that are found in fish, most of which are also found in vegetables but some that aren’t. As long as we know what the genes are doing, and test their net effects on the crop, who cares where they came from?

    GM crops don’t ensure larger harvests. As it turns out, GMO crop yields are not as promising as some projections implied. In fact, in some instances, they have been out-yielded by their non-GMO counterparts. This conclusion was reached in a 20 year study carried out by the University of Wisconsin and funded by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Thus negating one of the main arguments in favor of GMOs.

    This is one of those – sort of true, but very misleading – factoids that are common in propaganda. The currently available GM crop traits are not specifically designed to increase yield. They are designed to make yield more predictable, by reducing loss through pests, drought, or disease. Higher yielding traits are in the pipeline, however.

    What about that University of Wisconsin study the author specifically cites (it’s nice when they give a specific reference to check their sources)? It concludes:

    Their analysis, published online in a Nature Biotechnology correspondence article on Feb. 7, confirms the general understanding that the major benefit of genetically modified (GM) corn doesn’t come from increasing yields in average or good years, but from reducing losses during bad ones.

    That’s a little different than what the author implied. It reduces losses in bad years – which mean overall yields are increased. This also only referred to corn. Bt cotton has increased yields by an average of 24%, increasing profit and quality of life for cotton farmers in India.

    A 2014 meta-analysis concluded:

    On average, GM technology adoption has reduced chemical pesticide use by 37%, increased crop yields by 22%, and increased farmer profits by 68%. Yield gains and pesticide reductions are larger for insect-resistant crops than for herbicide-tolerant crops. Yield and profit gains are higher in developing countries than in developed countries.

    Still, anti-GMO activists continue to lie about the data, claiming the exact opposite of what the scientific evidence shows.

    And finally:

    U.S. Labeling suppression: Many of the companies who have an interest in keeping GMOs on the market don’t want you to know which foods contain them. For this reason, they have suppressed recent attempts by states such as California and Washington to require labeling of GMO products. And since they have deep pockets, they were successful – for now. The companies who spent the most on these campaigns are Monsanto (who produces the GMO seeds), and Pepsi, Coca Cola, Nestle and General Mills, who produce some of the most processed foods in existence. Incidentally, most other developed countries such as the nations of the European Union, Japan, Australia, Brazil, and China have mandatory labeling of genetically modified foods. Food for thought!

    They somehow fail to mention that the multi-billion dollar organic food industry lobbies for labeling. But again I say, so what? The fact that there is a political argument about labeling does not directly imply anything about the safety of GMO or whether or not it is a good thing for people and the planet. In fact – that is the very reason that many people (the corporations aside) oppose labeling.

    Mandatory labels imply that there is something for the consumer to worry about. It is a transparent attempt to demonize a safe and effective technology, so that anti-GMO propaganda will have a target. This is also an attempt by a competitor – the organic food industry – to create a negative marketing halo around its competition.

    Conclusion

    This is only a small sampling of the anti-GMO propaganda that is out there. I am all for a vigorous evidence-based discussion about the true risks and benefits of a new technology. This includes how to optimally regulate such technologies. I believe in the need for thoughtful and effective regulations of any technology that has health or environmental impacts. We have seen what happens when an industry, like the supplement industry, is not effectively regulated.

    GMOs are highly regulated. They are the most tested food that we eat. Cultivars that resulting from hybridizing plants and mutation farming, using chemicals or radiation to speed up the process of DNA mutation, are not tested and are even considered organic. This is a double standard, but fine. Let’s test the hell out of GMOs to make sure there are no surprises. This is already happening – and GMOs currently on the market are safe.

    The anti-GMO campaign is largely an anti-science campaign. This one article is not an outlier – it is squarely in the mainstream of anti-GMO rhetoric.

    in reply to: Robinson recovering from toe surgery #18963
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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Zooey wrote:</div>

    Plus he already got his “Rams lineman get injured” injury out of the way.

    That’s a great point. Thank god Rams linemen only get injured once in their careers….

    Hey I didn’t say it was his LAST injury. He could very well have several more this year alone. So no need to dismiss him that cynically. He will have plenty of more chances to get more injuries. Sky’s the limit, in fact.

    Actually, I have it on good authority that all of his toes were injured. It’s been a reoccurring issue since highschool and it’s progressively getting worse. He’ll likely be unable to walk unassisted by the time he’s 26.

    The reason this has not been disclosed up to now is simply that Greg doesn’t like to brag about it.

    Such humility is rare in a player today. The Rams are truly lucky to have him.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 10 months ago by Avatar photonittany ram.
    in reply to: FO's "Most Influential Plays in NFL history" #18887
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    The Immaculate Reception is only 13th? No way. Top 3 easily and perhaps number one.

    in reply to: NFL will 'sweeten the pot' to keep the Rams in St. Louis #18853
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    Realignment would piss off a lot of people. The Rams, Raiders and Chargers all have long standing rivalries within their divisions. Of course, if it’s the Rams that move to LA then the current historic rivalries could be maintained because the divisions would not have to be realigned. That would be true even if either the Raiders or Chargers also moved to LA.

    in reply to: Happy Birthday, zn #18831
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    How about it guys? One for the gipper?

    Um, no thanks.

    gip

    But happy birthday anyway. 😉

    in reply to: JT on 920 AM #18456
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    JT was asked if he thought Fisher would be fired if the Rams didn’t turn it around this year. He said something about Kroenke “going Walmart” in regards to Fisher with the implication being that Kroenke was too cheap to buy out the 7 million dollars remaining on his contract. But Kroenke isn’t really cheap – not when it comes to football at least. Don’t the Rams have the highest paid coaching staff in the league? Sounds like JT is letting some of his personal feelings about Kroenke mingle with his professional life.

    in reply to: all Rams receivers, catch% & drop%, 2013 & 2014 #18412
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    Both listings say 2013. Which is 2014? I hope it’s the top one because it’s a little better.

    in reply to: the ballad of Johnny Manziel… #18411
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    At least we don’t root for the Browns’ organization. What a joke.

    Obviously he’s lying about not knowing about Manziel’s off the field issues.

    The thing is, other than escapability, what attributes does he possess that make him a potentially great QB and therefore worth investing all this time and effort in?

    If he wasn’t a first round draft pick there would be little reason to keep him around.

    in reply to: My relocation nightmare #18211
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    Yes, I’ve thought about all of this.

    I thought it was certainly a possibility.

    The “Oilers” have disappeared completely.

    Could the Rams?

    Of course.

    If that happened I might just throw in the towel on the NFL. I haven’t been thrilled with it the last few years and I get aggravated by it’s constant need to create “EVENTS” (a four day draft, schedule release, Combine special, special awards shows for all year end awards, etc.)and it seems a bit mismanaged from a fan’s perspective. That NFL owners seem capable of moving anywhere, anytime for–oh–the hell of it. It bugs me.

    Who knows what happens IF London gets a team in 10 years. Maybe Kroenke likes it over there better and he sells the L.A. stadium to the Chargers, or rents it and moves again–but THIS time London wants its own name. At least L.A. has a “Rams” connection.

    London doesn’t.

    I’m uncertain about the future of the NFL and am a bit concerned it might reach itself out of existence–at least for die hard fans. Who knows?

    I don’t get that the NFL particularly loves or cares about its fans.

    If the Rams cease to exist, I won’t care very much about the NFL. I may still watch games but I doubt, after having built myself into this particular brand of fan for over forty years I’d do it again. I’m not sure I have that kind of time left.

    I’d watch it in a different way.

    Yeah, I’d still watch football as a casual observer but I would never become a fan of another team.

    in reply to: My relocation nightmare #18210
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    Well, we are headed into something that matters a great deal to a lot of us, and to our posting friends that we have bonded with over the past two decades. Some of us are fans of the _________ Rams. Some of us are fans of the St. Louis _________. I think some of us may be fans of the Los Angeles ________, a currently vacant spot that people have filled with the Rams. I think, though, that if the Chargers had moved to LA five years ago, we would have seen some Los Angeles fans vanish.

    We are headed for changes, and we are all going to lose some friends one way or another. It’s too bad.

    But at least we have the consolation that Kroenke will be worth more on paper no matter what.

    Yeah, the worst part of this for me is knowing that either the LA or STL contingent of fans is going to get hurt and that when the smoke clears, some of the people I’ve been posting with since 98 will be gone.

    in reply to: My feeling is Cignetti promotion is a good one. #18209
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    I remember when Cignetti Sr, coached at WVU.
    Maybe he’s related to Fisher:

    1976 West Virginia 5–6
    1977 West Virginia 5–6
    1978 West Virginia 2–9
    1979 West Virginia 5–6

    w
    v

    They obviously share a coaching philosophy.

    I barely watch college football anymore. For many reasons.

    in reply to: My feeling is Cignetti promotion is a good one. #18170
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    Well, I agree, I would expect Stedman and Tavon to improve
    simply because they have another year in the system under their belts.

    I’m looking forward to the Cignetti Era.

    w
    v

    You think a former Pitt coach is going to help Stedman and Tavon? He probably took the OC job so he could purposely sabotage their careers.

    in reply to: My feeling is Cignetti promotion is a good one. #18151
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    who knows. cignetti could surprise us. and i still like the fact that the coordinator and players will have real familiarity with each other. that can’t be discounted working with these guys every day. knowing their strengths and weaknesses. and maybe he even brings a fresh perspective that schotty was missing.

    who knows. but i’m actually happy about this announcement.

    Well there is nothing about this hire that will ‘wow’ anybody. But I agree that the continuity in offensive systems is important.

    in reply to: Kroenke meets with Peacock & other relocation stuff #18116
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    “Stan was encouraging
    and appreciative,
    and really couldn’t have been nicer”

    Let the analysis begin :)

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    Kroenke had no choice but to be nice. Captain Peacock doesn’t suffer insolence.

    peacock

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    in reply to: Kroenke meets with Peacock & other relocation stuff #18114
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    The Super Bowl party conversation could have been nothing more than two people being polite to each, or it could have laid the groundwork for progress to be made. A month ago, Kroenke was not returning the phone calls of the St. Louis representatives.

    To me it sounds like Kroenke was trapped in a room with Peacock and so had no choice but to engage in a conversation with him.

    This doesn’t sound like it was a planned formal meeting.

    in reply to: happy birthday nittany #17968
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    Thanks guys. 51 today but I don’t feel a day over 75.

    in reply to: I need to know your birthdays #17913
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    It’s February 5th to me. Nittanymas to the world.

    in reply to: Seattle and the famous ill-fated call… #17888
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    I have no problem with the call. Carroll’s logic was sound. Three plays is better than two plays. He knew he could run the ball twice if the pass was incomplete.

    Also, two stats I heard that I cannot verify. This year there were 109 passes thrown from the one yard line. Only one of those passes were intercepted (Wilson’s). Second, Marshawn Lynch rushed five times this year from the 1 yard line. He scored once of those five attempts.

    Plus, New England had six linemen in on the play. They stacked the box for the expected run. Running the pass was actually a good call, foiled by an amazing play by a rookie who made an incredible break on the ball.

    There’s this from Sando…

    Mike Sando, ESPN.com @SandoESPN · Feb 2
    5th time since ‘01 a tm down 4-8 pts had 2nd/GL from 1 w/20-40 sec left and 1 timeout. 2 ran and fell short. 2 threw TDs. SEA threw INT.

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    I just find it interesting that the headline is
    about his arrest for trying to buy sex
    but oh, btw, buried in the article
    there’s also two assault charges.

    w
    v

    Well of course. Sex sells papers. Who cares about uppity women getting what’s coming to them?

    in reply to: Seattle and the famous ill-fated call… #17884
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    If you love Tom Brady so much why don’t you marry him?

    Because bigamy is illegal.

    in reply to: Seattle and the famous ill-fated call… #17882
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    Zooey, you’re right about the emotional aspect. It is weird. The Patriot hate is strong.

    Otherwise, I really don’t care about the Seahawks. I just really hate the Pats.

    I didn’t care who won. I just knew a team I hated was going to lose and clung to that. 😉

    One thing I never like regardless of who is playing is when the perception is that a game was lost because of one person or one event. For example, I don’t like it when a team loses because a kicker misses a FG because the kicker will get all the blame for the loss. Now, we all know that a game is never really lost due to one person. A game is won or lost due to the sum total of performances of everyone on the team, players and coaches alike. So in reality a game is never lost because a kicker missed a FG, because the FG would not have been necessary if previous mistakes had not been made…(ie, missed block leading to tackle that prevented a first down, bad throw that misses wide open receiver, etc.) So the missed FG is just one contributing factor to the loss, not the reason for the loss.

    Same is true for this “bad call”. The Seahawks didn’t lose because of it. They lost for a number of reasons, the bad call (if it truly was a bad call) being just one reason. How about the fact that the vaunted “legion of boom” got lit up to the tune of 356 yds and 4 TD’s even with Brady’s two gift INT’s? Think that might have played a part in the loss?

    Anyway, this loss being attributed to this one call smacks more of emotion than reason.

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