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ModeratorWe did good against Rogers. 3 ‘3 and outs’, 3 turnovers, and only gave up 17 points on defense. I liked that we played more tight coverage and didn’t always give up the short pass. It didn’t feel like our typical form of defense. I was glad to see the change and glad that it worked. You can play good defense with the bend don’t break stuff. Look what TBay did with the cover 2 back in the day. But, I prefer the more dynamic stuff. Lets get more shutouts. We got a couple last year.
I suspect a great ‘bend but don’t break’ defense can get a lot of three and outs against inferior teams that just don’t match up. Plus perhaps you can take more chances against offenses that are less likely to hurt you for it.
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ModeratorThe positive stats from above are of course the 19 sacks and the 5 TD passes given up.
The Rams only gave up 5 TD’s to the likes of Wilson, Rothlesberger, Palmer and Rodgers. 5 TD’s in 5 games against that ‘murderer’s row’ of QB’s is about as good as it get’s, IMO.
Opposing teams have been able to matriculate the ball down the field between the 20’s despite facing a tremendous pass rush through short, quick passes. But when they get into the red zone the defense can compress and guard against the short stuff. So the offense is forced to settle for FG’s. That stat line is what you would expect from a successful bend but don’t break defense I suppose.
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ModeratorDoes Cook’s mere presence open things up for other receivers though? A big, rangy TE that can run must command some attention from the defense. I’ve always been a Kendricks fan but he seems a little stiff to me and although I like Harkey’s blocking I’m not sure he’s a threat down the field in the passing game.
I’m not saying the Rams shouldn’t trade him, but there must be a reason he gets so much PT despite being a poor blocker and having bad hands.
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ModeratorAlbeit I’ve only seen them once but watching the Browns against Denver I was sorta reminded of the Rams in 2012. Not real talented but dangerous nonetheless. This game is no gimmee.
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ModeratorMy impression of the Browns was that they aren’t good but they are scrappy. They won’t come into the ED ready to roll over. The Rams can’t afford to sleep walk through this game.
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ModeratorI know, it’s awesome.
Of course, the Rams victory over the Seahawks is becoming less and less impressive as each week passes but it is still fun to watch them lose.
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Moderator<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>Can I trade him to Minn for Patterson?</span>
So we trade one hyper-athletic guy who can’t catch for one who can’t run routes…
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ModeratorI might watch the Denver-Cleveland game. This is a chance to see how the Rams’ next opponent looks against a good team.
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ModeratorIf they were really serious about stopping this sort of infraction, they would award the Rams the victory. I bet Mathews would think twice before roughing another QB if it was going to cost his team the game. Of course, we already knew the league wasn’t really interested in cleaning up the game when they refused to adopt my suggestion regarding forced amputations as punishment for horse collar infractions.
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Moderatorthe defense should have no problems with the browns. i don’t care what the stats say. they’ve competed against some of the best backfields in the nfl and contained them. maybe they haven’t shut them down, but they’ve contained them. they shouldn’t have a problem with cleveland.
on offense, they should run them ragged. mason should be involved as well. even if they can’t get the passing game going, they should be able to run the ball effectively.
if they get outplayed, then i will be very disappointed. that would be a huge step back.
I’ll be disappointed if the Rams don’t win by at least 10 points.
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ModeratorThe Rams should beat Cleveland convincingly. The Achilles heal for the Rams of course is the o-line. Can the Browns exploit this weakness like the Packers did? Have the Rams been able to correct some of their o-line issues over the break?
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ModeratorSeems to be a huge disparity between PFF’s evaluation of GR and those in this thread.
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ModeratorI predict the time between now and the Cleveland game will pass way too friggin slowly. I may lose it.
October 12, 2015 at 5:46 pm in reply to: Proud of the defense. Offense? Not so much… (game reaction thread) #32250nittany ram
Moderator<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>We turned Rogers into an ordinary QB. We did it wo/ blitzing.</span>
<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>The GBay defense is better than I thought it was. They played almost as good as our defense. imo They couldn’t stop Gurley. I hope we don’t wear Gurley out before he gets is brace off. 😉</span>
He’s wearing a brace? He runs like that and he’s wearing a brace?!
Look out, league…
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ModeratorHappy B-day, Dude. Hope the Packers didn’t spoil the party.
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ModeratorWhy do you think I sleep with a squirt gun filled with seawater under my pillow?!
Well to be honest I thought you got that from The Larry Marmie Guide to Preventing Home Burglaries.
But triffids? Yeah that makes more sense.
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I think Marmie would suggest that I just use my pillow…
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ModeratorHekker.
What? It could happen.
Ya think Hekker’s skills are limited to fake punts?
It’s brilliant too because it’s the LAST thing Rodgers would suspect…well, other than the Spanish Inquisition.
No one ever suspects the Inquisition.
October 11, 2015 at 6:33 am in reply to: Rams bad luck evolves from injuries to the threat of radioactive stink clouds #32099nittany ram
ModeratorI dunno, perhaps exposing the players to radiation wouldn’t be such a bad thing…
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ModeratorObviously you haven’t seen Day of the Triffids.
Have I seen it?!
Why do you think I sleep with a squirt gun filled with seawater under my pillow?!
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Moderatorhttp://healthydebate.ca/2015/10/topic/are-genetically-modified-foods-unhealthy
Genetically modified foods have been met with consumer backlash since they were first introduced in the 1990s. Recently, however, calls for non-genetically engineered options have gotten even louder.
In April, Major North American fast food chain Chipotle announced it would endeavor to provide non-genetically engineered menu options (which is, albeit, not 100% possible). This past summer, celebrities including Jordana Brewster and Ginnifer Goodwin signed on to a campaign calling on U.S. food companies to reveal ingredients derived from genetically modified organisms (GMOs). And the New Democratic Party of Canada has recently called for labelling of genetically modified foods.
These campaigns are based on concerns that GMO foods might not be safe for consumption or could damage the environment. Anti-GMO proponents claim GMO foods are linked to everything from cancer to allergies. The David Suzuki Foundation’s website warns “a growing body of research connects [GMO] foods with health concerns and environmental damage.” (A media representative of the David Suzuki Foundation explained that the Foundation couldn’t provide an interview because none of the scientists at the organization are currently researching GMO foods.)
In contrast, major governmental and health organizations, including Health Canada, the European Commission and the Food and Drug Administration, have examined hundreds of studies and concluded that there is no evidence GMO foods are any less safe for consumption than conventional foods.
When the independent non-profit PEW Research Center asked scientists and members of the public about their views on 13 commonly debated topics, genetically modified foods was the issue that divided scientists and the public the most. In the 2015 poll, 88% of scientists polled across an array of disciplines responded that GMO foods are safe, while only 37% of the general public believed they were safe.
We look at what the evidence says about the GMO foods that are currently on the market.
What are GMO foods?
Genetically modified foods are foods that come from plants with DNA that has been changed in a way that does not occur naturally by conventional or modern breeding techniques. This could mean changing the way a gene in a plant behaves, or inserting one or more gene into the genome of a plant, which contains tens of thousands of genes. The inserted gene, which might be derived from viral, bacterial or plant DNA, is added because it contains a desired trait.While food can be modified for a variety of reasons, including to make it more nutritious, the genetically modified foods we’re exposed to have generally been modified for two reasons, according to Rene Van Acker, professor and associate Dean of the Ontario Agricultural College at the University of Guelph. “The traits that we’re talking about that are GM-conferred are herbicide tolerance or insect resistance,” says Van Acker. With genetically modified corn, for example, a bacterial gene is inserted because it produces a protein that is toxic to some insects, but not to humans.
One major exception, points out Andreas Boecker, a professor in Food, Agricultural & Resource Economics at the University of Guelph, is the Hawaiian papaya, which was facing extinction before it was genetically modified to be resistant to the virus killing it.
One of the biggest misconceptions of GMO foods is that “almost all produce is genetically modified,” says Van Acker. Because genetic modification is expensive, the technology is only cost effective when applied to large-scale crops, such as wheat, soy, canola and corn. So while the tomatoes we buy aren’t genetically engineered, more than 90% of soy growing in the US is genetically modified to tolerate herbicides.
What do we know about the safety of GMO foods?
Before a genetically modified product can be sold to farmers or consumers, the company producing the GMO food must perform numerous safety tests and submit nutritional and allergenic information on the product to Health Canada. According to Brian Ellis, a professor in the Department of Botany at the University of British Columbia, it’s a process that takes years and is extremely expensive. “The approval process can cost over $100 million dollars to bring a really new genetically modified product to the market,” says Ellis. “Most of that cost is the testing.”Safety testing is meant to screen out products that could be harmful. For example, when soybeans developed by Pioneer Hi-Bred International were found to have the same chemical that causes peanut allergies, the product was abandoned and never went forward to market. None of the GMO products thus far approved have been shown to have any adverse health outcomes.
“These foods have undergone more extensive testing than any food that has come on the market,” explains Joe Schwarcz, professor of chemistry at McGill University and director of the Office for Science and Society.
In addition to the industry tests, numerous independent studies have been conducted. In 2010, the European Commission released a summary of 130 research projects on GMO foods that had been funded by the Commission over a decade. The studies revealed “no scientific evidence associating GMOs with higher risks for the environment or for food and feed safety than conventional plants and organisms,” according to a press release from the organization. A systematic review of animal feeding trials (both industry and non-industry funded) also concluded GM plants to be safe.
As with fluoride in water or vaccines or almost any health-related technology, some animal studies have been used to suggest that GMO foods could cause harm to human health. These studies are too methodologically flawed, however, to prove anything.
Some scientists and anti-GMO activists argue that GMO foods cannot be seen as safe because epidemiological or large-scale randomized controlled studies in humans haven’t been carried out.
Schwarcz points out that even though “we’ve been eating these foods for 20 to 25 years,” it’s possible “there is some subtle health affect and we wouldn’t know it because we live in such a complex world.” He is quick to point out, however, that “we know a lot” about the safety of GMO foods. “Based on what we know about the technology involved, and based on what we know about the body, it’s extremely unlikely.”
Should we be worried about GMOs damaging the environment?
More prominent than the health concerns with GMO foods are the environment-related fears. Here the science is more contested, especially because the scientific community has not agreed on standardized methodologies when it comes to measuring environmental impacts.One review of around 850 studies concluded that genetically engineered crops have not had more negative environmental impacts than conventional crops. But some studies have raised potential risks – such as to moths or butterflies in surrounding fields – that require further research.
An especially polarizing environmental issue is whether GMO crops increase or decrease the use of chemicals in agriculture. In explaining its decision not to use GMO ingredients, Chipotle cites a study that estimated pesticide and herbicide use increased by more than 400 million pounds over four years due to GMO crops. The study was conducted by a scientist funded by the organic food industry.
One European government-funded review of 147 studies came to the opposite conclusion, finding that GMO crops had resulted in a 37% drop in pesticide use. While many of the studies were industry funded, the researchers analyzed the studies by funding source and found industry funding did not “significantly influence the impact estimates.”
Van Acker is of the opinion that more long-term studies are necessary to see if GMO foods increase or decrease herbicide and pesticide use. He explains that while GMO crops initially result in less chemical use, as weeds develop resistance or GMO crops spread into unwanted areas, pesticide and herbicide use can increase over time. He explains, however, that once GMO crops begin to require more expensive chemicals, farmers tend to stop using them. “Farmers are not pro-GM crops or anti GM-crops,” says Van Acker. “They’re pro-whatever is good for their business.”
Sylvain Charlebois, currently a visiting professor at the University of Innsbruck in Austria, says that it’s important that governments and independent institutions continue to fund studies on the environmental and gene flow effects of GMOs. “It’s important to make sure that we assess longitudinal, environmental risk, and that’s hard to assess in a lab,” says Charlebois. Boecker agrees. While he is sympathetic to arguments that GMO science is too heavily dominated by industry, he argues that rather than restricting or labelling GMO foods, the debate should instead focus on “how much do [independent research institutions] need to invest in risk assessment and management to make risks acceptable?”
Why is there a disconnect between scientists and the public on GMO foods?
The science thus far tells us that GMO crops don’t pose a risk to human health and could have both positive and negative environmental affects that need to be continually monitored and mitigated. So why do most consumers feel GMO foods are dangerous?Partly, the public opinion reflects “a fundamental distrust of science and technology,” says Ellis. “It’s a thread that runs strongly through our society still.” One recent survey found that while 72% of respondents think it’s important to know science in their daily lives, a third of respondents believed scientists adjust their findings to get the answers they want. Inaccurate reporting of science relating to GMO foods in mainstream media and blogs hasn’t helped.
Stemming from this distrust is the belief that there is something intrinsically bad about human interventions in natural processes, explains Schwarz. “Nature is not exactly benign,” he says, making reference to “viruses, bacteria, natural carcinogens, alfatoxins.” Plus, he says, the movement of foreign genes into plant DNA is not so contrary to nature. “Humans are constantly exchanging genes with bacteria,” he explains.
But Charlebois says GMO producers are also to blame for the confusion. In a case study of Monsanto, Charlebois found the company allowed distrust and ill will to proliferate because the company largely ignored the public, instead engaging with farmers and agricultural industry stakeholders on GMO science. “They were selling a product without really engaging with consumers,” he says. Though he admits the distrust of the technology is partly due to a general distrust in the major corporations that use it, Charlebois argues that the “Frankenfoods” fears could have been better countered had industry scientists engaged with the public through the mainstream and social media.
Perhaps learning from the importance of public dialogue, Arctic Apples, the company behind the non-browning apple recently approved for sale in Canada, prominently explains on its website how biotechnologists modified the apple by turning off the activity of certain genes. Commonly called “gene editing,” this practice is different from transferring foreign genes into a genome, but Ellis predicts that gene editing will become a more common method of genetic modification in the future.
In the end, trust in GMO foods may have less to do with the science and more to do with how that science is explained – by the media, by scientists and by industry representatives. “The activists are very good at what they do in getting their message out,” argues Schwarz. And the scientists? “They’re not.”
nittany ram
ModeratorThis just looks like a repeat of the great
London Fiasco to me. Yall remember how
‘that’ game went. Brady threw for 11 TDs
in the first ten series.Rams poured a LOT of energy into that Card game.
This one is on the Road.
Aaron Rogers.
Lacy.
Rams are still making tons of mistakes on offense
and the defense just lost Ogletree.Just looks like an elite team playing
a young-improving-not-gelled-yet-team.Packers 31
Rams 16w
vYour hatred of the Rams is legendary. Banquets will be held and songs sung in your honor by those who would do us harm.
Actually I see your point. Can they now stay focused coming off a big victory? Based on the Washington game I’d say NO. But maybe they’ve begun to mature.
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ModeratorBut the defense did not struggle against Pittsburgh, the offense did. And then of course the following week the offense contributed to defeating Arizona in Arizona. It is clear that the Rams offense stumbled against Washington and the Steelers, so the question then becomes whether the Arizona game was another “rise up against the strong” type Rams victory we have seen before with an inconsistent team, or if it represented an actual step forward.
Roethlisberger was seen as having a banner year, but after early scores by the Steelers, the Rams defense rose to the occasion and took the game to them.
I look at this Steelers team, even with Big Ben as a bad football team. The Steelers D lost some big leaders, and Dick LeBeau. The Steelers in my mind have a not so good OLine, which has Kelvin Beachum as the starting LT. Should have destroyed the Steelers. We are much better than Pittsburgh. That is how I feel. If we could not beat Pittsburgh at home, we have no shot at beating the Packers in Green Bay.
I think it’s more complicated than that, Jack. I mean, a team that can’t beat Pittsburgh at home should have no business beating Arizona on the road either but they managed to do just that.
I think this game comes down to the o-line. If their improved performance in the second half against Arizona was just an aberration then they have no chance in Green Bay…but if that performance represents real improvement then I think they have a chance.
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ModeratorHappy birthday! Hope there’s many more trips around the sun in your future.
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ModeratorWelcome back, Jack.
I was afraid Zooey enticed you over to the Raiders board.
How about that Arizona game, huh?
October 8, 2015 at 5:08 pm in reply to: Reporters on the OL, including PFF OL grades after week 4 #31971nittany ram
ModeratorI’m not saying the Rams o-line would look good otherwise, but the great defenses the Rams have faced have contributed to that 25th ranking. It’s much harder to open holes against Seattle and Arizona than it is against Cleveland and Chicago, and few teams have had as tough a schedule through the first four games as the Rams.
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ModeratorThat is a hell of a D line. Jeezus.
Well, i dunno. They are still getting
gouged by the run it looks like.
Havent perused the stats on that though.w
vYeah. But it’s not like backs are consistently getting 5 yards a carry against them. They give up nothing for 10 plays and then get gouged by a 20 or 30 yarder. I think it’s also hard for us to always know who is at fault for the big runs…is it the DL or is it the LBs, etc.
But we do see maddening breakdowns at times.
Frustrating.
Of course, all d-lines get gouged sometimes. Dorsett and Foreman had some big days against those great Rams d-lines of the 70’s.
Well all i know iz, this group aint the Sapp-Bucs or
the Saragusa-Ravens. It aint that kind of ‘great.’Its dangerous and talented…and a bit flawed somehow,
it seems.w
vI agree there is a flaw in the Rams run defense. I’m just not sure if the flaw resides within the d-line. It very well may, but I don’t know.
Can the issues be traced to individual players? Is it the scheme?
When you give up big runs, every level of the defense is involved…d-line, LBs, safeties…
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ModeratorThat is a hell of a D line. Jeezus.
Well, i dunno. They are still getting
gouged by the run it looks like.
Havent perused the stats on that though.w
vYeah. But it’s not like backs are consistently getting 5 yards a carry against them. They give up nothing for 10 plays and then get gouged by a 20 or 30 yarder. I think it’s also hard for us to always know who is at fault for the big runs…is it the DL or is it the LBs, etc.
But we do see maddening breakdowns at times.
Frustrating.
Of course, all d-lines get gouged sometimes. Dorsett and Foreman had some big days against those great Rams d-lines of the 70’s.
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ModeratorHe backs up both or just AD?
Just AD. Westbrooks backs up Brockers. Also, Donald is on the field a lot because they put him at at the nose in 3-3 sets in passing situations.
It could be that Fairley’s lack of PT is simply a matter of Donald playing so well without requiring much rest. It may have nothing to do with Fairley at all. The coaches may be happy with Fairley’s effort. He may be everything they hoped he would be. Donald’s just a lot better. And there’s no shame in that because Donald is a lot better than everyone.
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ModeratorAnd, Nittany isn’t REALLY a Flamer, is he? Nah, can’t be. You guys are mistaking him for someone else, I’m thinkin.
Good eye, NE. Your suspicions are correct. I’m not a flamer, and wv and zooey are just bitter little men. Bitter, bitter little men.
But you saw them for what they are right away, and for that I am thankful.
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Hey dont lump me in with
Zooey “preheat the oven to 350 for hardbacks” Deadalus.
I didnt say who was the flamer, exactly.
I left it open to interpretation.w
vAh yes, the salad days on the old rivals site.
Good times.
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ModeratorAnd, Nittany isn’t REALLY a Flamer, is he? Nah, can’t be. You guys are mistaking him for someone else, I’m thinkin.
Good eye, NE. Your suspicions are correct. I’m not a flamer, and wv and zooey are just bitter little men. Bitter, bitter little men.
But you saw them for what they are right away, and for that I am thankful.
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