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InvaderRamModeratorPuka Nacua is a generational athlete đ€Żpic.twitter.com/yI4malSMaR
— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) April 28, 2024
InvaderRamModeratorNo not doing that either, really. I said starter or significant contributor, which is quality. Either way quality is what I am talking aboutâwhen I discuss drafts, it is always what I talk about.
slight disagreement. a hit implies starter or contributor. quality of the hit by my definition is a bit different. like nacua would have been offensive rookie of the year in any other rookie class. turner should have been defensive rookie of the year. so there’s a difference between having a starter and having a guy just set the pace for other rookies.
regardless you’re saying 6-7 hits. that’s a 60-70% hit rate. as a rams fan sure i’ll take that. it’s just astronomical the chances of that happening.
InvaderRamModeratorBut I think that in the end when you count the hit percentage, the 2024 draft will provide more players.
well if you’re looking at just hits and not the quality of hits and if you’re looking at percentages and not raw numbers then yes this draft class could surpass past year’s due to the rams having fourteen picks in 23 vs ten in 24. and the rams having a first round pick this year vs none in 23. they’d only need to hit on five to yield a higher percentage. i’d say the rams hit on 6 of the 14 players they drafted last year. if you don’t count allen, then it’s really only 5. so they would only need to hit on 4 this year. but the quality of picks this year is certainly higher due to having a first round pick.
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InvaderRamModeratorThis draft may even be better than last yearâs.
that’s a tall order.
puka has a rookie season for the ages. oroy if not for stroud having his equally startling season but at qb of all positions.
avila day one starter with upside.
turner should have been in the discussion for droy.
byron young has a solid season to build off. started 16 of 17 games.
evans starting punter and kickoff guy.
so not just four starters out of this draft. five if you include evans. you’d need one rookie to break records and another at least in contention for some kind of regular season award.
so karty if he sticks at kicker is equal to evans.
you’d need one of verse or fiske to break two defensive rookie records. corum to be in contention on the other side for offensive rookie of the year. or perhaps even kinchens breaking the rookie record for interception. and the other two having solid seasons as pretty much day one starters.
i don’t see that happening.
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InvaderRamModeratori mean if he really is a future pro bowler then that could be quite the secondary. not necessarily the best but very capable. especially if white can find his previous form.
InvaderRamModeratori’m still holding out hope donald pulls a brady and decides to come back…
the thought of playing next to fiske and verse has to be running through his mind a little bit. a little bit.
InvaderRamModeratorhis length. specifically arm length. is the only thing that bothers me. if only his arms were 2 inches longer.
but i’ll also say he’s probably my favorite pick.
InvaderRamModeratori would love nothing more than to see stafford back. sign him through 2028 and give him more guaranteed. sure.
with the offense the way it’s designed now i could totally see him playing another five years.
InvaderRamModeratorwv wrote: I dont get the feeling that the Rams have closed the gap tween them and the 49ers.
Thatâs a separate issue though, right? And can they do that in just one draft?
yeah. i don’t know that they’ve closed the gap.
yet.
i do see a general trend in their off-season and it was to get more physical. and i’m pretty sure it’s a direct response to how the niners have handled them. they went grunt over finesse. from signing jackson to drafting verse and fiske. on that i think it was the right approach. i just don’t know if it’ll work.
not in love with the verse pick. or the fiske pick… but i do like the thought of them playing together. i like the chemistry there. don’t know if it’ll work one level up in competition but i’ll be rooting for them.
i like the corum pick and even see the potential in him being better even than kyren. i do want to acknowledge that the chances of that are not high. that was a pretty high bar set by kyren, but i do really like corum’s potential that much.
kinchen looks good on paper, but who knows. i’ve read plenty of negative reports on him too so we’ll see.
i’ll only comment on one more player. karty. glad they got him and hope he can fill the gaping hole that was the kicking game last year.
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InvaderRamModeratori hope he sticks.
InvaderRamModeratorthe tight ends are going off the board.
not happy.
InvaderRamModeratori’m hoping for a wr. an oline prospect. kicker for sure. linebacker prospect. tight end. some dbs?
InvaderRamModeratori really wanted luke mccaffrey. he went on the next pick.
bummer.
InvaderRamModeratorso. we could potentially have kam and kam as our two starting safeties.
kam kam?
InvaderRamModeratorya know. that’s gonna be a fierce competition at rb. as good as kyren was corum could give him a run for his money.
InvaderRamModeratorgeez. the thought of corum and williams running the ball behind jackson, avila, and dotson?
that’ll be fun.
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InvaderRamModeratorsolid pick. corum and williams should be a good duo.
InvaderRamModeratorat 6â5, 300 Fiske can play 3/4 DE or DT, either in the 3 DL sets or in the 3rd down 4 DL sets.
that’s why i like the pick. that’s why i liked orhorhoro. i thought he could similarly play different positions for the dline.
fiske is much faster and quicker than orhorhoro. while orhorhoro likely has more power and strength.
i trust the rams on this one though.
InvaderRamModeratorwhat did they give up to move up?
InvaderRamModeratori like cooper dejean as well, but i understand why they went dline. it’s just a bigger need at this point. dejean just went to the eagles.
InvaderRamModeratori like the pick. i liked orhorhoro more. but i still like this pick.
InvaderRamModeratorA different issue is whether he is effective in space as an LB, handling the whole array of LB duties in space. I donât know. I can only say Kevin Greene wasnât known for that. Though I have seen Verse compared to Fowler. How good was Fowler as a traditional LB in space?
that’s a good distinction and i should have been more clear.
there was three figure eight drill where the guy has to run around in a figure eight and pick up bean bags and place them in another position all while continuing to run at full speed. he struggled to maintain balance and had to use his hands to keep from falling. he did it twice and could not do it. maybe it’s just a matter of reps? i don’t know but that drill tests a players flexibility and “bend”.
the other drill involved lateral movement and again he looked stiff. he also looked stiff moving forward and backwards. that’s what makes me wonder if he can switch to linebacker. although could he be any worse than hoecht was when they moved him to lb? fowler i don’t know. i’m sure verse can learn it to some extent but it definitely doesn’t come naturally.
InvaderRamModeratorI will say though that if Iâm not mistaken the combine does not measure âpowerâ.  It measures agility and speed, etc.  Iâm not sure its quite accurate to say Verse is not very athletic.  Power and relentlessness seem to be important athletic traits to me.
you’re right. it’s not exactly accurate. more accurate maybe to say not fluid or bendy but certainly explosive and very strong. and those are certainly athletic traits.
i guess i wonder how that translates to playing outside linebacker and playing in space.
but zn points out that he’ll playing various positions. as a de. even dt. i’m sure the rams have a plan. and again at 19 you’re not gonna necessarily draft a complete player otherwise he’d be likely going much higher.
InvaderRamModeratorapparently rams were interested in trading up to get bowers?
probably not the best idea to trade up for bowers, but i fully expect the rams to draft a tight end at some point. in fact i’d be disappointed if they didn’t.
The Rams had an offensive player they had their eyes on through the entire process: Brock Bowers
When he went off the board, their decision got a lot easier. They are thrilled with Jared Verse at 19. âŠ@gmfbâ© pic.twitter.com/mf488L4na3
— Peter Schrager (@PSchrags) April 26, 2024
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InvaderRamModeratorI donât know how Verse compares with the other guys â Turner, Robinson, Latu â but Iâm not surprised to see this: âYou can tell he cares about football.â I think Donald left behind that perspective as a parting gift to the organization. I donât expect McSnead to ever draft a potato farmer.
i am going to keep an open mind. and i certainly don’t expect him to solve all the rams defensive problems.
i will say he has an unreal motor. just relentless on the short clips i’ve seen of him. always going. and he looks strong. stronger than latu or robinson. just pushes olinemen back on their heels.
InvaderRamModeratorJust an IMO, butâŠI think an end/LB conversion is not that big an issue. From the sounds of it he can be coached into an adjustment. Cosell mentions false steps when heâs standing up. That can be coached out.
i am by no means an expert. and i will continue to have an open mind.
but i’m worried. i watch his combine drills (and yeah it’s the combine not an actual football game). and he looks so stiff. like no flexibility. not very athletic. especially compared to how latu looks in the drills and so i wonder how easy the conversion will be for him. it just intuitively makes sense to me that to be effective at linebacker you need to have more of that bendiness which verse lacks and which is why some reports say he is strictly a de.
but if they move him around to different positions maybe it doesn’t matter as much?
InvaderRamModeratori really like cooper dejean.
rams would have to trade up to get him though.
InvaderRamModeratorwell cosell states he’s a pure 4-3 end which to me sounds like the defense is gonna have to change. or am i missing something?
InvaderRamModeratorhey if he’s a much better version of thibodeaux, there won’t be any complaints from me.
InvaderRamModeratorhe was very effective rushing the passer according to these metrics. right up there with latu and robinson.
we’ll see.
Notable EDGE prospects career pressure rates and weighted pass rush grades. Weâre in a pass protection epidemic but this draft class still has some juice. pic.twitter.com/otB9WNCRzF
— Football Insights đ (@fball_insights) April 4, 2024
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