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  • Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    hey grits i realize this is a very sensitive subject for you but let’s try and tone it down. just a little.

    great pics by the way. it would be very cool for all the loyal rams fans in la to see their team come back. there’s a lot of history in los angeles. from that perspective it would be very cool to see the team move back.

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i think the nfl wants kroenke to win this race. kroenke hasn’t gone rogue, and in fact, he’s going about this exactly the way the league would have him do it.

    it’s just a hunch. but unless spanos can somehow figure out a stadium deal in los angeles, the rams will be going back to los angeles. aeg has until april of this year i believe to find a team. even then they seem to be falling apart and out of the league’s favor.

    Farmers Field could go way of other L.A. stadium plans

    By Vincent Bonsignore, Los Angeles Daily News
    POSTED: 01/06/15, 10:08 PM PST | UPDATED: 1 WEEK, 4 DAYS AGO 5 COMMENTS
    While most of Los Angeles basked in the possibilities of the Rams returning to the Southland to play NFL football again — this time at a new stadium on the site of the former Hollywood Park Race Track in Inglewood — the resolve and commitment at the Anschutz Entertainment Group offices in downtown Los Angeles remained surprisingly upbeat and positive Tuesday.

    There is no doubt the St. Louis Rams owner’s announcement that he is joining forces with Hollywood Park developers to build an 80,000-seat football stadium could be a punishing blow to AEG’s grand plan to build Farmers Field adjacent to Staples Center.

    Maybe even a knockout punch.

    If Rams owner Stan Kroenke follows through on this plan and his franchise makes the move to Inglewood, it will mean Farmers Field falling by the wayside as so many other stadium proposals have over the past 20 years in Los Angeles.

    It could be a demise that was inadvertently triggered by former AEG president Tim Leiweke, whose passion for Farmers Field was initially its greatest strength but eventually became part of its downfall.

    Leiweke’s enthusiasm lifted Farmers Field off the ground and took it further than even AEG head Phil Anschutz ever believed possible.

    In some ways, history will likely look back on Leiweke with gratitude for showing the NFL that the necessary political and financial resources can actually come together in Los Angeles to green-light a world-class football stadium.

    In doing so, he helped put Los Angeles back on the NFL radar in a way it hadn’t been for years.

    Ultimately, though, it was Leiweke’s overly ambitious and public negotiating tactics that turned off the NFL — which prefers to turn its business dealings on mute — while also creating some animosity within the offices of AEG.

    Leiweke lost his job as a result, and Farmers Field fell off the tracks in the process.

    It can be argued the project has never regained its footing since, despite the efforts of Anschutz to get it back on track.

    In the meantime, other local stadium ideas began percolating.

    Including the plan Kroenke rolled out to the world late Sunday night.

    And while there is a feeling Kroenke and the Rams will eventually land in Inglewood, AEG is not giving up the fight just yet.

    “The sense I’ve gotten the last two days is it’s still full bore ahead,” said a source at AEG.

    That was after the statement AEG released Monday:

    “We continue our efforts to advance Farmers Field and we remain confident in the advantages of our project over any of the other sites that have been rumored for a new football stadium. Farmers Field offers a highly desirable location at L.A. LIVE, billions in existing infrastructure and complimentary facilities surrounding the site, and a fully entitled project able to host two NFL franchises without the legal, political and taxpayer risk that other sites face.”

    There are reasons to be hopeful, as fading as they might be.

    The first is that Kroenke went off the ranch on this one, pulled an end-around on the NFL and brokered a deal independent of the league’s carefully crafted wishes.

    And that the NFL will ultimately vote down Kroenke’s request for relocation, should it come to that.

    But after talking to a high-ranking official Tuesday, it appears that isn’t the case.

    In fact, the NFL appears on board with what Kroenke is doing.

    The second is that Kroenke — and the NFL — is simply using the threat of Los Angeles to motivate St. Louis leaders into building a new stadium that will keep the Rams along the banks of the Mississippi River.

    Or, as another NFL official told me: “This is a bidding war.”

    And that would make Kroenke’s bombshell especially well timed.

    Later this week, a St. Louis task force made up of former Anheuser-Busch president Dave Peacock and attorney Bob Blitz is expected to present Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon with a plan they believe will keep the Rams in St. Louis. Now more than ever, that plan needs to be foolproof.

    Or else.

    At least publicly, Peacock and Blitz remain confident.

    “The news today is another reminder of how much competition there can be for National Football League franchises and projects that include NFL stadiums, but it does not change our timeline or approach,” Peacock and Blitz said in a statement. “It is important to remember this will be a long-term process, but one that the State of Missouri and the St. Louis region are fully pledged to seeing through.

    “We are ready to demonstrate our commitment to keeping the NFL here, and to continue to illustrate why St. Louis has been and will always be a strong NFL market. We will present a plan to Governor Nixon this Friday as scheduled, and we expect that it will meet his criteria, thereby allowing us to share our vision with the public shortly thereafter. In the meantime, we will continue to have discussions with the NFL, as well as Rams leadership.”

    Still, it seems Kroenke resorted to an especially hard-handed negotiating tactic if his plan really is to stay in St. Louis. No surprise, then, that some city leaders have drawn a line in the sand.

    Jeff Rainford, spokesman for St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay, told reporters Monday that Slay doesn’t believe St. Louis should just hand the Rams the key to the city now that Los Angeles has come into the picture.

    “A National Football League franchise does have value, and we should want one, but let’s use some common sense,” Rainford said. “The parameters are not a blank check.”

    In fact, one wonders if Kroenke has poisoned the waters in jilted St. Louis to the point there is no going back. Can you imagine Rams fans opening their arms and wallets to a franchise that seemingly has its heart on being somewhere else?

    And does the NFL really want that kind of public-relations nightmare on its hands moving forward — especially with all the other perception issues the league is dealing with?

    The last hope for Farmers Field is the NFL stepping in to help broker a deal between AEG and either the San Diego Chargers or Oakland Raiders, who remain mired in uphill battles to build new local stadiums.

    That remains a possibility, but with Kroenke making such a bold move it seems obvious the NFL is behind him.

    All of which bodes well for the Rams adding Los Angeles back to their name.

    Only they will be playing in Inglewood rather than downtown.

    If so, Farmers Field will meet the same fate as so many other Los Angeles stadium plans over the past 20 years.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 10 months ago by Avatar photoInvaderRam.
    in reply to: Predicting the 2 championship game winners #16832
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    it’s gonna get really annoying…

    in reply to: Seattle doing nothing so far (he said in the 1st half) #16829
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    Got to hand it to Wilson. He made some huge throws on his last two drives. Beautiful throws.

    yeah. that overtime drive. perfect.

    in reply to: Seattle doing nothing so far (he said in the 1st half) #16825
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    unbelievable.

    crazy.

    in reply to: Seattle doing nothing so far (he said in the 1st half) #16823
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    hells bells.

    in reply to: Seattle doing nothing so far (he said in the 1st half) #16819
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    well shit.

    in reply to: Seattle doing nothing so far (he said in the 1st half) #16817
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    yeah. injured by his own teammate. what a shame.

    in reply to: Seattle doing nothing so far (he said in the 1st half) #16815
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    richard sherman hurt his left arm.

    haha. can’t help but feel a little happy about all this.

    in reply to: Seattle doing nothing so far (he said in the 1st half) #16813
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    not quite this bad though.

    i mean this has to be some sort of career worst for him.

    in reply to: Seattle doing nothing so far (he said in the 1st half) #16811
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    green bay indianapolis would be cool.

    i’m shocked wilson is playing so badly. it seems like he’s under a lot of pressure though.

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    at the end of that article.

    The league has also been in negotiations with AEG about a potential deal at Farmers Field, a proposed downtown stadium next to L.A. Live. In the 20 years since the Raiders and Rams left, the NFL has fostered the idea of competing sites to get the best deal. Rooney said that continues to be the case.

    “I think next year is a time frame that I would hope that we at least go through a site-selection process and at that point are in a position where we have a site where we’d all feel comfortable putting a stadium,” he said. “Then we’d be ready to go through a relocation process where we all understand that there’s a first-class NFL stadium for a team to move to.”

    in reply to: Wagoner chat #16801
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    wow 10% chance of trading up? that’s pretty high. although there’s a half a chance the qbs could drop a little. maybe that opens things up for a trade.

    in reply to: Miklasz: Rams' standards are too low #16797
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    for me it is about bernie. i think his argument and logic is flawed at best.

    now have the rams underperformed? yes.

    i don’t know that it necessarily means that they gotta start firing coaches.

    in reply to: who the free agents will be #16796
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    the only things i can think of so far are cut long and wells. focus on re-signing britt. maybe sign a fa olineman.

    in reply to: 2015 Shrine Game … plus looking ahead to the Senior Bowl #16795
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    This kid created some ‘buzz, they say. Maybe grab this kid in a late round.

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/is-old-dominions-taylor-heinicke-the-best-quarterback-in-virginia/

    Is Old Dominion’s Taylor Heinicke the Best QB in Virginia

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=113555&draftyear=2015&genpos=QB

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8757364/old-dominion-monarchs-qb-taylor-heinicke-wins-walter-payton-award

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    interesting prospect. can run a little bit. hope he’s got big hands.

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    they also want st. louis, kroenke, aeg, roski, san diego, and los angeles all competing against each other to get the best available stadiums possible for the nfl.

    and fans get jobbed in the end no?

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    I don’t know what this is worth.

    But I think the most glorious outcome right now for the NFL is Kroenke’s stadium. Of all the outcomes I look at right now, Kroenke’s is the sexiest.

    Does that matter?

    Well…it might.

    i think it is the most attractive.

    at this point it’s up to the chargers to leapfrog ahead of the rams. i also wonder if aeg now has extra incentive to cut a deal with an nfl team.

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    If the league approved a Spanos move,
    and Spanos had a stadium deal in LA,
    what would that do to Kroenke’s leverage
    in St.Louis? He’d lose any leverage he had, yes? No?
    Would he threaten to move somewhere else? 2nd team in LA ?

    The league has to love all this leverage its manufactured.
    What a great Racket for all 32 rich-white-guys.

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    well and that’s also the balancing act that the nfl has to do cuz they don’t want the rams going back to the ed jones dome if the chargers move to la. they want that shiny new outdoor stadium.

    31 rich white guys and 1 rich pakistani guy i believe.

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i’ve read that the nfl is not a real big fan of farmer’s field and spanos is unlikely to sell part of his team. in fact aeg i’ve read wants majority ownership. that leads me to believe that kroenke’s in the lead for a move to la. my guess is the nfl is strongly against davis and the raiders moving to los angeles.

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    also the tv revenue. is that one year or indefinite?

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i don’t think he’s going rogue.

    by the way. when do the rams have to respond to st louis’ plan? end of the month?

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/goodell-jones-have-a-talk/article_a7578c2f-c649-51b3-b87e-9f5c00291b27.html

    Goodell, Jones have a talk

    By Jim Thomas

    NFL commissioner Roger Goodell personally called Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones this week to get clarification on Jones’ comments to the New York Times suggesting Stan Kroenke can move the Rams to Los Angeles if he wants — with or without league approval.
    “Put (Jones’ remarks) in context,” NFL executive Eric Grubman told the Post-Dispatch on Thursday. “This man’s trying to get to the Super Bowl. He was in Green Bay, Wis., and he just lost an incredible game. A lot of passion and emotion.

    “And he gets hit with that question from an out-of-town reporter. … Jerry wasn’t even quite sure what he said beyond acknowledging historically teams have moved without (permission). So when asked — ‘Did you say that?’ — he wasn’t even sure.”

    As in not even sure what he had said.

    “Now, is that impossible?” Grubman said. “What if you just lost that game and somebody hit you with that question? … I’m not going to speak for him. But I’ll hazard a guess on this one, that he would not tell you this could be done without a vote.

    “To suggest otherwise would be to suggest that any owner can pick which rules they want to go for a vote and which they don’t want to go for a vote.”

    Grubman said Goodell didn’t talk to Jones in a critical way, but simply asked him what he meant by his comments.

    “It quickly became obvious that there’s nothing really here,” Grubman said. “Because in the heat of the moment, you had an owner who wasn’t really focused on the issue at hand, and talked about history and remembers that but doesn’t remember much of the detail beyond that.”

    In summary, Grubman characterized Jones’ remarks as a stray comment that needed to be put to bed.

    “Everybody’s gonna follow the rules,” Grubman said.

    Grubman was in St. Louis on Thursday meeting with local officials on the region’s stadium plan. He said he has been to St. Louis about a half a dozen times over the last two or three years.

    Jones’ remarks cast doubt on whether Kroenke would try to follow relocation guidelines and gain owners’ approval to move. It would take approval of 24 of 32 NFL owners to move the Rams to Los Angeles.

    Team and league officials have told the Post-Dispatch that Kroenke will not go rogue and try to relocate without approval. Grubman reiterated that on Thursday.

    When asked if Kroenke has said he will follow league rules, Grubman replied: “Oh, yes. And he has followed the rules. Not on this (specifically), because there’s never been any suggestion that he wouldn’t.

    “Here’s the better example: We’ve proscribed guidelines for how to approach the L.A. market for any club that was interested, including keeping the league staff informed and so forth and so on.

    “All the clubs that have been acting in that regard have been doing that, including the St. Louis Rams. So there’s no hint of (going rogue).”

    As much as Grubman underscored the fact that Kroenke would follow the rules, he pointed out that there could be subjectivity in how those guidelines are interpreted as well as subjectivity on how individual club owners might vote if it gets to that.

    “I don’t know how to gauge the probability of votes,” Grubman said. “I do know how to look at history and I know in the time that I’ve been associated with the league, the league has made some tough calls to keep teams in their markets and to do things that are quite extraordinary to keep teams in their markets.”

    He cited Minnesota, New England, and New Orleans as examples of franchises where the league was successful in helping to prevent a move.

    If Kroenke did in fact try to move the Rams without approval, Grubman said he had no idea how the league would respond.

    “But I do know there are tremendous tools available,” he said. “There’s a charter and by-laws, and there’s ample authority in the commissioner’s office to make sure that everybody follows the rules.

    “That’s what we are. We’re a league of rules. So having something which is a subjective judgment, subjected to a vote, is very different than having a league without rules.”

    In terms of what kind of penalties Kroenke could face for an unauthorized move, Grubman didn’t want to go there.

    “That’s so far off topic and so hypothetical, let’s pick another time,” he said. “There are going to be recommendations that are analyzed and made. And then there’s gonna be votes, but everybody’s gonna follow the rules.”

    If Kroenke plays by the rules and somehow gains approval from the league to relocate, what are the alternatives for St. Louis? Is there another path to get another team here, such as San Diego or Oakland — franchises that also have stadium issues and could potentially relocate to Los Angeles as well? Grubman didn’t offer much hope there for St. Louis.

    “I view that as such an undesirable path to take that I haven’t even thought about the probabilities,” he said. “Because you not only have to do all the hard work that you’re already (doing), then you’re gonna have to convince somebody that this is the market that they want to go to as opposed to some other market, or some market that they can stay in.

    “The objective is to give the St. Louis Rams the best opportunity to be healthy in this market.”

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i can’t stop thinking about this move or no move.

    one question. grubman says that any stadium plan must have all steps that are actionable by the end of the year. and he’s even vague about what the “end of the year” actually entails.

    well. part of the stadium plan in st. louis requires that kroenke fork up some of his own money. could stan just refuse to fork up any of his own money for the st. louis stadium thereby sabotaging the st. louis plan and allowing him to move forward with his own stadium in los angeles?

    this grubman fellow seems a sneaky little dude.

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i wonder if the rams’ quarterback situation has offensive coordinators wary of taking the job.

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    well from grubman’s statements the league obviously knew about kroenke’s plans.

    and while they’re doing and saying the right things right now i wouldn’t be surprised if they find some way for the rams to move to los angeles. it’s the move that makes the most sense and it’s their best chance of having a team in los angeles.

    a team with previous ties to the city. an owner capable of building a stadium with a good business sense and plenty of money. a team that actually has grounds to make a move.

    i also wouldn’t be surprised if the league has known this for a long time and has given their tacit approval.

    i also wouldn’t be surprised if they have a plan for another team to eventually move to st. louis at some point in the future. jacksonville. but i think this is all stuff we’ve been saying for awhile now.

    in reply to: Draft's hottest prospect: Mark Barron's worth a top-10 pick #16645
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    Now this ain’t the final word on the issue or nothin, but, what he looked like to me was a ferocious hitting LB/safety hybrid in nickel packages.

    i wonder if the rams have bigger plans for him or if he is strictly a package player.

    it just doesn’t seem like he and mcdonald could play together on a full-time basis.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 10 months ago by Avatar photozn.
    in reply to: Draft's hottest prospect: Mark Barron's worth a top-10 pick #16637
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    so what do people think about how barron played this year? did he play like a top safety?

    can he and mcdonald play together?

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 10 months ago by Avatar photoInvaderRam.
    in reply to: Wagoner: Examining the Rams and Marcus Mariota #16635
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    hmmm… interesting.

    i guess it makes sense. a lot of this stuff is probably things individual teams had to do on their own in free agency.

    in reply to: Wagoner: Examining the Rams and Marcus Mariota #16626
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    combine is just a month away. i’m gonna be watching mariota for sure.

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