oh, dear.

you all are scaring the living shit out of me.

reading this board makes me want to take a rocket ship to mars. seriously. i’m gonna go hug my dog…

yes it prevents outliers from skewing the results.

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i think jamon brown and the oline is what i’ll be paying attention to the most this training camp.

i’m hopeful.

wv wrote:

Rawlings said. “But it’s got to start with our self-esteem as a police force and understand 99 percent of what they do is what we want and that we’re proud of them. Sometimes, people hear what they want to hear in those conversations.”
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Course thats kindof a bullshit statement because
no-one knows what ‘percent’ of what an entire police dept does
is good. I mean how would we know how much corruption goes on?

w
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lots of corrupt cops out there. a lot of them never get caught.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChristeeAtwood/status/754786544305643520

well. if the rams are gonna give up that much for him i’d rather he a franchise type qb. drew brees caliber is good enough for me. no pressure jared.

bnw wrote:

OK but what about me and the very very many other people like me who made the choice to not get into debt that couldn’t be repaid? What about those of us that did so by not going to our dream school? By not going for our dream degree? Tough shit? Thats what I read from you. Why should people like me accept the burden? Everywhere I turn theres people expecting others to pay for their own mistakes.

it’s about creating a more even playing field. it’s not about saying tough shit to any particular person. it’s recognizing that some people have certain advantages over other people through no credit or blame of their own. just privilege.

i see it as giving everyone a fair chance. or as close to fair as possible.

and yeah we could take this attitude of hey kid life is tough you’re just gonna have to work harder but why?

if i see someone on the street who needs help why not help him out? do i just tell that guy hey tough i got my own shit to worry about. help yourself up. we’ve become so callous lately.

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

. income is tied into net worth. a person can’t increase net worth with little income.

True but that’s not what they’re looking at.

It’s not what YOU can do, it;s what you had before you started.

So for example, if a child grows up in a bought and paid for house in a neighborhood that has good schools, that’s something substantial that the previous generation did for the individual child. It’s incalculable. And it;s not something that the individual child DID, he or she just simply benefits from that. And then the government handback on taxes for homeowners helped guarantee things like ordinary decent medical and dental care while growing up.

So the article is not about what WE do as individuals to build OUR worth. It’s about what WE got as a headstart before we even started doing that.

And of course behind the parents owning the house is a long series of policy decisions that made the house affordable to them. Before the 1940s, people typically had to come up with a 50% down payment, and before 1930 the mortgage would be 3 to 5 years to pay off.

The 30 year mortgage with an affordable down payment was a deliberate, direct, orchestrated shift in policies at the government level. (This all has to do with the history of the FHA.)

It’s not simply that our parents bought us cars and paid the college tuition. (I am talking in generalities here…I don’t know your history. My own parents did not pay college tuition. I don’t know anyone’s personal history. It’s just the sociological types I am talking about here.) Those who had all that were already ahead of kids who did not grow up in an owned house in a neighborhood where the schools were at least recognizably decent. None of those kids did that on their own. They grew up WITH that.

So even the kid who goes to a public university without a scholarship and pays his way through by working is starting off with enormous advantages just if their parents owned a house in a decent safe neighborhood with a decent school and who could afford to pay for basic medical and dental expenses while they were growing up. (Add to that the fact that until recently public universities were affordable in the first place because they were mostly tax funded…tuition is not the major financial force keeping those institutions going.)

This goes on and on and on. What did WE get to help us before we even started to make our own income as individuals.

That;s what the article is about.

ok. sorry. i make it a bad habit of having these ideas all jumbled in my head and posting when i really have no time to collect my thoughts and put a post down. i probably sound really stupid right now.

yes i get what the article is about. i myself am privileged. i know that what my parents had and what i had at my disposal has made my life easier and given me a head start so to speak compared to others. and for certain people that’s been possible specifically because of policies that were geared toward helping a specific group of people.

but it’s also been exacerbated by other factors outside of just policy. i read that over 60% of black children grow up in a single parent household. compared to 25% of white children. asian children are low as well. for black children those single family households are mostly single black mothers. that immediately puts them at a disadvantage. single mothers make something like only 35% of what a 2 parent family would make on average. that affects net worth and assets. not just immediately but for future generations.

so i know this is going outside of that article which was great by the way. but why are black children growing up in predominantly single parent households. i think that’s also the result of racism on a systemic level. i don’t think it’s a result of any policy but i think it’s a result of how black people have been treated historically.

bnw wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

it’d be great if there was some way they could eliminate student debt.

It’s called paying off your debt. People make choices to go into debt. People also make choices not to get into debt they can’t repay. Don’t coddle the former by fucking over the latter.

when my friends came out of school with debt it wasn’t a choice. it was either that or don’t go to school. when i came out of school with no debt it wasn’t a choice. i just got lucky.

i’m not talking about debt in general. i’m talking about school resulting from gett5an education.

also within single parent families who are more likely to be poor than 2 parent families.

single mother families are more like to be poor than single father families. and a disproportionate amount of those single mother families are single black mothers? why is that?

but yeah. having equal access to education. not being saddled with debt. those would seem to make a huge difference in equaling things out for everyone.

i would think socioeconomic status would play a big part in these disparities. and not just being poor but how many come from broken families? single parent. no parent. parents addicted to drugs. etc… does that make a difference?

but more than that poor black americans have a completely different experience than poor people of different ethnicities. again. after generations of having your identity stripped. seeing your family structure ripped apart. your culture. etc… etc…

most poor immigrants come here voluntarily. they come with their family members. they weren’t shipped here and sold as property. they come here with other immigrant families and are able to share their culture their language.

so to me it’s not just about being poor. it’s the psychology of being black in america. generations of psychological trauma being inflicted on a group of people compounding as each generation is born. how does one undo all of that?

not just prejudice mind you. having your identity stripped from you. your rights as a human being. and not just your identity. your rights. your dignity. but that of your father and your mother. your uncles and aunts. your grandparents. your cousins. your children. your children’s children. your neighbors. all stripped away for generations. the compounding effect of these traumas has to be staggering.

some people can arise out of that with their sanity intact. but it’s a numbers game really. a lot of people can’t just drag themselves out of something that traumatic.

i think the only way to truly comprehend something like that is to go through it yourself. but even then. each person is different. and is going to react to these traumas differently.

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wonder what he would say about jj watt and aaron donald.

well. make sure a kid feels safe. make sure that child is clothed, fed, healthy, and loved.

and then that child can concentrate on things like education and a future.