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July 18, 2016 at 1:06 am in reply to: Three Police Officers Dead, Three Wounded in Shooting in Baton Rouge #48920July 17, 2016 at 12:13 am in reply to: Goff's college coach tells Rams fans why they got a truly 'special' QB #48878InvaderRamModerator
yeah. drew brees/roethlisberger/rivers caliber qb.
i wanna see him starting for the rams for the next 15 years.
Very nice pocket presence, very nice feet, very good feel for moving in the pocket while looking downfield.
Enough mobility, enough arm.
Very quick release, very good accuracy. In a lot of ways he’s Bulger’s better cousin.
he reminds me of a taller drew brees when i see him play.
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July 15, 2016 at 11:19 pm in reply to: Goff's college coach tells Rams fans why they got a truly 'special' QB #48842InvaderRamModeratorwell. if the rams are gonna give up that much for him i’d rather he a franchise type qb. drew brees caliber is good enough for me. no pressure jared.
InvaderRamModeratorbut it also sounds like you’re saying i had it tough so why shouldn’t the next guy?
why? if you could have gone to your dream school based on merit and not have to think about paying off debt you wouldn’t take that opportunity? just cuz it’s been done one way doesn’t mean it HAS to be that way.
and why wouldn’t a system like this help a guy like you? if you didn’t have that debt to pay off you would have even more income and wealth are your disposal no?
InvaderRamModeratorOK but what about me and the very very many other people like me who made the choice to not get into debt that couldn’t be repaid? What about those of us that did so by not going to our dream school? By not going for our dream degree? Tough shit? Thats what I read from you. Why should people like me accept the burden? Everywhere I turn theres people expecting others to pay for their own mistakes.
it’s about creating a more even playing field. it’s not about saying tough shit to any particular person. it’s recognizing that some people have certain advantages over other people through no credit or blame of their own. just privilege.
i see it as giving everyone a fair chance. or as close to fair as possible.
InvaderRamModeratorApparently our making good choices for the long term didn’t sit well with those people accustomed to following the carefree spending high expectations in fun keeping up with the Joneses. It is always about choices.
But all choices are made within a certain environment and environmental conditions, with certain natural boundaries, due to the luck of the draw. All choices are made on foundations that range from impoverished to obscenely wealthy. All choices are made within environments that help or hinder or just outright stop those choices from taken effect.
Some folks are born with wings, others with chains, and everything in between.
The problem is, as ZN mentions, when we think we achieve X because we make “the right choices,” while others “fail” because they made the wrong ones. It’s usually the case that they made really, really good choices too, but their environments, their birth lottery, put them so far back behind the eight ball, it didn’t matter.
Again, it’s cool to be proud of your choices. But why denigrate others for not fitting into your notions of “success”? Or for fitting into your notions of “failure”? Why assume everyone has an equal shot in this country, when that’s clearly not the case? Or that they didn’t make really good choices too?
I don’t denigrate others for their choices. I simply shouldn’t be forced to pay for their mistakes.
but the argument is that they didn’t necessarily make a mistake. but that they were born into a situation where they weren’t afforded the same opportunities that others were.
i don’t see that as paying someone for their mistakes. rather it’s rewarding someone for their hard work despite not having advantages that others did have.
i mean take a guy who gets into school but through hard work but will have to take out loans which he will be forces to pay for much of his life vs another guy who gets into that same school only because his dad went to that school. doesn’t necessarily appreciate that he got into that school and skates by graduating from college with no worries about paying off debt. he’ll get that nice house inherited from his dad. those nice assets with which he can grow his wealth even more.
why not reward that guy for his hard work.
i know. tough shit. life isn’t fair. but hey. it’s nice to think about a world where hard work is rewarded.
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InvaderRamModeratorand yeah we could take this attitude of hey kid life is tough you’re just gonna have to work harder but why?
if i see someone on the street who needs help why not help him out? do i just tell that guy hey tough i got my own shit to worry about. help yourself up. we’ve become so callous lately.
InvaderRamModeratorI worked my way through college. I chose a school which I could afford and majored in a degree program to get a job that could pay the bills. I could have gone elsewhere and spent much more money while miring myself in tremendous debt getting a degree that would never pay the bills. But I didn’t. No way in hell should I have to bail out those who did.
The problem is a lot of kids graduating with degrees in STEM fields are having a hard time finding employment now too. It’s not just art history majors who can’t find a job.
yeah. it’s a lot harder for kids now than it was even for me when i was going to school.
and why should kids be forced to find a high paying job just so they can pay off their debt. why not allow them to find a job they actually enjoy without having to worry about paying off massive amounts of debt? that’s what i would want for my kids.
anyway i know this is kind of going off track but it sort of ties into this wealth thingy. i mean if a parent is tied up trying to pay off his or her own debt and the parent has his or her own kids who are trying to go to school and get a job it would seem to negatively impact them as well.
InvaderRamModerator. income is tied into net worth. a person can’t increase net worth with little income.
True but that’s not what they’re looking at.
It’s not what YOU can do, it;s what you had before you started.
So for example, if a child grows up in a bought and paid for house in a neighborhood that has good schools, that’s something substantial that the previous generation did for the individual child. It’s incalculable. And it;s not something that the individual child DID, he or she just simply benefits from that. And then the government handback on taxes for homeowners helped guarantee things like ordinary decent medical and dental care while growing up.
So the article is not about what WE do as individuals to build OUR worth. It’s about what WE got as a headstart before we even started doing that.
And of course behind the parents owning the house is a long series of policy decisions that made the house affordable to them. Before the 1940s, people typically had to come up with a 50% down payment, and before 1930 the mortgage would be 3 to 5 years to pay off.
The 30 year mortgage with an affordable down payment was a deliberate, direct, orchestrated shift in policies at the government level. (This all has to do with the history of the FHA.)It’s not simply that our parents bought us cars and paid the college tuition. (I am talking in generalities here…I don’t know your history. My own parents did not pay college tuition. I don’t know anyone’s personal history. It’s just the sociological types I am talking about here.) Those who had all that were already ahead of kids who did not grow up in an owned house in a neighborhood where the schools were at least recognizably decent. None of those kids did that on their own. They grew up WITH that.
So even the kid who goes to a public university without a scholarship and pays his way through by working is starting off with enormous advantages just if their parents owned a house in a decent safe neighborhood with a decent school and who could afford to pay for basic medical and dental expenses while they were growing up. (Add to that the fact that until recently public universities were affordable in the first place because they were mostly tax funded…tuition is not the major financial force keeping those institutions going.)
This goes on and on and on. What did WE get to help us before we even started to make our own income as individuals.
That;s what the article is about.
ok. sorry. i make it a bad habit of having these ideas all jumbled in my head and posting when i really have no time to collect my thoughts and put a post down. i probably sound really stupid right now.
yes i get what the article is about. i myself am privileged. i know that what my parents had and what i had at my disposal has made my life easier and given me a head start so to speak compared to others. and for certain people that’s been possible specifically because of policies that were geared toward helping a specific group of people.
but it’s also been exacerbated by other factors outside of just policy. i read that over 60% of black children grow up in a single parent household. compared to 25% of white children. asian children are low as well. for black children those single family households are mostly single black mothers. that immediately puts them at a disadvantage. single mothers make something like only 35% of what a 2 parent family would make on average. that affects net worth and assets. not just immediately but for future generations.
so i know this is going outside of that article which was great by the way. but why are black children growing up in predominantly single parent households. i think that’s also the result of racism on a systemic level. i don’t think it’s a result of any policy but i think it’s a result of how black people have been treated historically.
InvaderRamModeratorbut how does one increase one’s net assets?
the article points out that letting a kid get am education without needing to lean on those net assets would be a way to counteract that. otherwise the kid either cannot afford school or is forced to pay off debt for the rest of his life. not having debt can allow him or her to concentrate on things such as home ownership or increasing wealth rather than having to crawl out of the red.
What that research points out is that poor in terms of income isn’t really the issue…it’s net worth or assets.
yes. but that is also controlling for income.
so it’s one issue but not the whole issue.
ok i just reread it. i don’t know if they’re controlling for anything but still. income is tied into net worth. a person can’t increase net worth with little income. but yeah. also there is a history as to why one group has substantially more net assets than another group.
InvaderRamModeratorit’d be great if there was some way they could eliminate student debt.
It’s called paying off your debt. People make choices to go into debt. People also make choices not to get into debt they can’t repay. Don’t coddle the former by fucking over the latter.
when my friends came out of school with debt it wasn’t a choice. it was either that or don’t go to school. when i came out of school with no debt it wasn’t a choice. i just got lucky.
i’m not talking about debt in general. i’m talking about school resulting from gett5an education.
InvaderRamModeratorbut how does one increase one’s net assets?
the article points out that letting a kid get am education without needing to lean on those net assets would be a way to counteract that. otherwise the kid either cannot afford school or is forced to pay off debt for the rest of his life. not having debt can allow him or her to concentrate on things such as home ownership or increasing wealth rather than having to crawl out of the red.
What that research points out is that poor in terms of income isn’t really the issue…it’s net worth or assets.
yes. but that is also controlling for income.
so it’s one issue but not the whole issue.
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InvaderRamModeratoralso within single parent families who are more likely to be poor than 2 parent families.
single mother families are more like to be poor than single father families. and a disproportionate amount of those single mother families are single black mothers? why is that?
but yeah. having equal access to education. not being saddled with debt. those would seem to make a huge difference in equaling things out for everyone.
InvaderRamModeratorit’d be great if there was some way they could eliminate student debt.
i came out of school with essentially no debt at all which has been a godsend compared to friends who are still saddled with paying off loans.
InvaderRamModeratori would think socioeconomic status would play a big part in these disparities. and not just being poor but how many come from broken families? single parent. no parent. parents addicted to drugs. etc… does that make a difference?
but more than that poor black americans have a completely different experience than poor people of different ethnicities. again. after generations of having your identity stripped. seeing your family structure ripped apart. your culture. etc… etc…
most poor immigrants come here voluntarily. they come with their family members. they weren’t shipped here and sold as property. they come here with other immigrant families and are able to share their culture their language.
so to me it’s not just about being poor. it’s the psychology of being black in america. generations of psychological trauma being inflicted on a group of people compounding as each generation is born. how does one undo all of that?
July 12, 2016 at 10:25 pm in reply to: "One of the cops under my command is a young Asian officer" #48601InvaderRamModeratorwell i’m korean. and how i encounter racism is going to be very different from how a persian encounters racism. and how a japanese encounters racism. and black and so forth. and how i encounter racism will differ even from that of a korean from a different generation. or even depending on where i grew up. and also depending on what ethnicity i’m interacting with.
it’s just a big clusterfuck.
July 11, 2016 at 11:43 pm in reply to: "One of the cops under my command is a young Asian officer" #48524InvaderRamModeratornot just prejudice mind you. having your identity stripped from you. your rights as a human being. and not just your identity. your rights. your dignity. but that of your father and your mother. your uncles and aunts. your grandparents. your cousins. your children. your children’s children. your neighbors. all stripped away for generations. the compounding effect of these traumas has to be staggering.
some people can arise out of that with their sanity intact. but it’s a numbers game really. a lot of people can’t just drag themselves out of something that traumatic.
i think the only way to truly comprehend something like that is to go through it yourself. but even then. each person is different. and is going to react to these traumas differently.
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July 11, 2016 at 9:28 pm in reply to: 10 most dangerous game-breaking weapons set to take the field in 2016 #48504InvaderRamModeratorezekiel elliott is gonna be a helluva running back and he’s got a much better supporting cast. that oline is going to open up some gigantic holes for him.
July 11, 2016 at 9:25 pm in reply to: previously unpublished Zimmerman… Dr. Z’s All-Time Team #48503InvaderRamModeratorwonder what he would say about jj watt and aaron donald.
July 11, 2016 at 1:31 am in reply to: 10 most dangerous game-breaking weapons set to take the field in 2016 #48438InvaderRamModeratorwell and also. now that he’s had another year of recovering from the knee injury. and imagine if the rams can put a supporting cast around him.
woohoo!
InvaderRamModeratorwell. make sure a kid feels safe. make sure that child is clothed, fed, healthy, and loved.
and then that child can concentrate on things like education and a future.
July 10, 2016 at 9:28 pm in reply to: Matt Waldman talks QBs, Goff. Podcast (+ some Goff vids) #48423InvaderRamModeratorall i know is that a pretty consistent critique of bradford was poor pocket presence so if goff can at least be bradford with good pocket presence the rams should be good at that position. and if he can stay healthy as well.
InvaderRamModeratorwhat a coinkydink.
July 8, 2016 at 9:00 am in reply to: St.Paul, now this…it is a bad day…snipers shoot Dallas police during protest #48227InvaderRamModeratorwe’re all a big fat failure.
InvaderRamModeratorToo early to know. But we do know they do not protect. That was settled by the US Supreme Court some time ago.
well it should be their function.
InvaderRamModeratorHow very sad. Two things Sterling did wrong according to what I read above. First, don’t resist arrest. Not complying immediately can be interpreted as resisting arrest. Common sense dictates that you comply and not escalate the situation. Second, immediately inform the officer that you are carrying a firearm. This is taught over and over in carry class. You have to do so by law I suppose in most states but the reason is to not escalate the situation. If in a car hand the officer your carry permit with your drivers license.
tell that to philando. he did not resist arrest. he had his hands in the air. he informed the officer that he was carrying a firearm and had a conceal carry permit. he went to reach for his wallet after informing him of this, and the policeman still shot him.
it’s about more than that. there’s a reason black people are targeted more than white people. not just in killings. but arrests. getting pulled over for no apparent reason other than the fact that they are black.
i know law enforcement officers are under a great deal of stress. i empathize with the amount of shit they have to go through on a daily basis. but something has to change in the way do their job. innocent people are needlessly dying. and not just in cases where people are dying. cases where people are getting pulled over for no other reason than the color of their skin.
I don’t know why they were pulled over. Perhaps a BOLO was out that the officer was looking into? Only the officer can say. I haven’t seen the beginning of the encounter but if true then the policeman has a lot of explaining to do.
Judging from what was said by the woman in the car as well as what the officer is heard saying apparently the victims hands were the issue. Always keep your hands in full view of the officer and move slowly away from your body. Make sure you know what the officer wants you to do with your hands. On the dashboard? On and behind your head? On the door window frame? Then there’s whatever the woman was doing that the officer had to account for too. So much of this is common sense.
I’ve heard police departments are getting training from Israeli security force personnel which I would think are at odds with what americans expect as law enforcement.
he was pulled over for a minor traffic violation. that’s it. the woman said he was following the officer’s orders to the t.
i think it’s highly possible this cop was suffering from ptsd. i also think that law enforcement needs to rethink their training. they serve and protect the citizens.
InvaderRamModeratorpolice are trained to always be on alert. everything. everyone is viewed as potentially lethal. they are on a emotional high during their job only to go on an emotional low when they come home. they feel isolated from people who can’t relate to the emotions and stress that they go through every day. and form bonds with those that do. they are trained to extinguish any potential threat. not to evaluate. not to deescalate. but to eliminate any potential threat. they are told their safety is paramount when it should be the citizens they were hired to protect.
combine that with prejudices that they already hold which come from society.
it’s a powder keg. something needs to change.
InvaderRamModeratorhttp://emotionalsurvival.com/brotherhood_of_biochemistry.htm
Hypervigilance
Consider how the police role is developed in young cops. It begins with the manner in which law enforcement officers are required to view the world. If you take cops in Anytown, USA, and put them behind the wheel of a patrol unit, they are required to view the streets and the community from a different perspective than citizen drivers. Cops realize that “I better pay attention out here! I could get my butt kicked or get somebody else or myself killed if I’m not paying attention!” This reality forces young officers to take a different view of the world from civilians. When viewing the world while in this new work role, officers experience a new physiological sensation, an increase in alertness, an increased sensation of energy and aliveness. This new perceptual style goes beyond just “paying attention.” It includes looking, and watching sections of the community that other people would ignore or consider neutral. In the interest of their own safety, officers have to view all encounters as potentially lethal. This newfound perceptual style, with its emphasis on officer safety, carries with it a parallel physiological and psychological state. As mentioned previously, young officers feel increased sensations of energy, aliveness, and alertness. They find themselves becoming quick-witted in the presence of fellow street cops. Friendships develop quickly, and camaraderie is intensified among people with whom they share potential jeopardy. During the developmental years, young officers experience firsthand the physiological stress reaction, but it is not seen as a negative reaction. On duty, the associated sensation of physiological intensity is viewed as pleasant and enjoyable. They find their job so attractive that it is difficult to leave at the end of a shift. What is unwittingly taking place is that young officers are developing an on-duty style of hypervigilance. This style, though necessary for the survival of law enforcement officers, often leads to the long-term destruction of an effective personal life. Officers go on duty, experience increased energy, alertness, quick-wittedness, and camaraderie, and enjoy their tour. However, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Officers who experience an on-duty physiological “high” find that when they get off duty and return home, this hypervigilant reaction stops, as they literally plunge into the opposite reactions of detachment, exhaustion, apathy, and isolation. Thus officers experience the police stress reaction, an emotional ride on a biological roller coaster.The “biological” roller coaster describes the extreme psycho physiological swings that police officers experience on a daily basis. One can assume that average citizens live on a more even keel, but police officers are denied this stability. Because of the degree of emotional intensity of law enforcement, the increased sensations of alertness required while on duty, followed by reactions of an equal magnitude in the opposite directions while off duty the police officer’s life is characterized by the extremes of highs and lows. This pendulum-like swing occurs daily. Going to work initiates an increased sensation of involvement, energy, and alertness, coming home, a sensation of apathy, detachment and boredom. The biological reason this roller coaster takes place lies in the autonomic nervous system that controls all the body’s automatic processes: heart rate, blood pressure, body temperature, and so on. The autonomic nervous system has two branches that act in tandem. Sympathetic branch alerts the body to potentially intense situations, causing increased alertness, awareness, and the “fight or flight reaction” (like taking a bunch of “uppers”). The Parasympathetic branch controls the body’s quiescent or peaceful counter-reactions (like bunch of “downers”). This biological roller coaster cycles daily for young officers in the first years of their careers as they polish police skills. It produces high-activity, highly involved police officers, but leaves them with under involved, apathetic personal lives. It can be said in no uncertain terms that the first victims of this biological roller coaster are not the officers themselves, but their families. The officers alternate between being “Heat Seekers” at work, where the more intense the call, the more they’re drawn to it, and being “couch potatoes at home. Once the police role is unplugged, there remains only a listless detachment from anything related to a personal life.
The “couch potato” phase of the biological roller coaster can be documented easily by interviewing police spouses during the first decade of the officer’s career. Although the faces and names change the stories remain almost identical.
“She’s different now that she’s a cop. We used to do so many things together, but now she gets off duty and I can’t even speak to her.”“He comes home from work, collapses on the couch, turns on the television set-I can talk to him for five minutes and he doesn’t even hear me.”
“You know, we drove 150 miles last weekend to go visit my mom and dad. I don’t think she said two words to me on the whole trip.”“We walk through the mall on his days off and he barely grunts to me, but then he sees two or three of his buddies working off-duty and you can’t shut him up-. ‘Hey, what happened last night? Did you guys arrest that asshole? I heard you come up on the air.”‘
As officers begin experiencing the biological roller-coaster ride, they begin heavily investing in the police role. Their family and personal relationships become thin, frazzled, and very fragile. The police spouse laments:“I don’t know how much longer I can keep this family together. He comes home angry every night: “Everybody on earth is an asshole.”‘
“I swear she’d rather be at work than at home. She starts getting ready for work two hours before she has to be there. Sometimes I think she’s married to the job and not to me.”
The police family begins reverberating with this biological roller-coaster
Police officers’ life-styles change drastically. These elevated sensations while on duty are necessary. Officers do not have the luxury of viewing the world as primarily peaceful and benign. Officers’ very existence depends on their being able to perceive situations from the perceptual set of hypervigilance. They must interpret aspects of their environment as potentially lethal that other members of society see as unimportant. Without hypervigilance, police officers would be seen as “not good cops.” However, the tragedy is that while law enforcement officers are trained to react during the upper phase of the biological roller coaster, there has been very little training done or education provided on how to adapt to or avoid the pitfalls of the bottom half of the ride. In the first decade of a police career, the valleys of the roller-coaster ride destroy the emotional support systems and the family support systems; -systems that will become increasingly important if officers are to survive the second half of a police career.…
The Lives of Cops
After approximately two years on the job, officers are riding this biological roller coaster daily and consider most of the outside world “assholes.” While these two reactions are going on, however, officers are typically doing-their job, have high on-site activity, are enjoying police work, and in many-ways, although still quite naive to the realities of the long-terms effects of a police career, could be experiencing the “golden years” of their own individual law enforcement career. They enjoy going to work, they are highly energized and enthusiastic, enjoy coworkers, and will state “I love my job.” This fragile lifestyle and paranoid way of perceiving the world will typically come crashing down on officers in the not too distant future. Officers find themselves staying away from home for longer and longer periods of time. If the shift ends at midnight, cops realize that once they walk through the doors of their house, the exhaustion, apathy, and bottom half of the roller coaster will hit them hard; unwittingly they spend more time away from home. Younger officers in smaller police departments find themselves going down to the department on their days off just to see what’s happening. The economic realities of police management can be quite exploitative of young cops’ over-invested, biological enthusiasm. Sometimes the hardest thing about managing young cops is not in getting them to come to work but in getting them to go home. Many small police departments actually could not exist without this over-investment by young officers and also by non-reimbursed reserve officers whose only payment is a ride on the biological roller coaster. These officers have over-learned the social perceptual style that comes with assuming a police role. The longer they are cops, the more they interact only with other cops, all learning to see the world in only one manner.Young officers continue to over-invest in their police role. For the first few years, this over-investment leads to an exciting, enjoyable, dynamic job. Very often, early in their police careers, officers not only isolate themselves from non-police friends, but also overindulge in their professional role by listening to scanners while off duty or on days off. One of the potential hazards of this over-identifying and over-investing in the police role is financial. From the beginning, cops learn the financial realities of a police career: “You’re never gonna get rich being a cop.” Off-duty work can be an extremely seductive lure for many police families. Officers can provide the necessities and a few extra luxuries of life by working an extra two or three shifts per week, either as security at the local shopping mall or doing point control for construction projects. Although the extra cash certainly helps, the additional time away from home spent in the police role continues the officers’ over-investment and leaves little time for them to develop competencies in other social roles and to build a personal life for themselves and their family.
This over-investment in the police role goes beyond justifiable pride in the profession. Officers begin linking their sense of self-worth to the police role in what at first glance appears to be a basically benign sense of pride. However, this creates an intense form of emotional vulnerability for average police officers. When you ask a group of cops who controls their police role, young cops often say, “I do.” The older, wiser cops respond, “I wish I did.
This link of self-worth to the police role creates a social dynamic that turns many enthusiastic, energized police officers into cynical, recalcitrant employees who resist administrative direction. As their police role is altered by external administrative authorities and the inevitable decline occurs, their sense of self-worth also takes a tumble. Police officers do not control their police role and must admit, upon reflection, that it is controlled by administrative authorities. Not until after the first several years of police work do the realities of this type of administrative control hit home. Then there is a “rude awakening.” This vulnerability is particularly salient to specialized police officers-the narcotics agent, canine officer, or detective in some special assignment
This psychological phenomena of having your sense of self-worth controlled by other individuals leads to very normal feelings of defensiveness and resistance. This linkage explains why police officers, after the first few years, may grow to resent administrative authority, mainly because they are so vulnerable to the changes that can take place in their police role. This resentment and resistance to administrative control leads to an occupational pseudo-paranoia, in which officers begin making such statements as: “I can handle the assholes on the street but I can’t handle the assholes in the administration.” Although the streets contain physical danger, the major psychological and emotional threat comes from those who control their police role, with its emotionally over-invested sense of self-worth.
InvaderRamModeratori know law enforcement officers are under a great deal of stress. i empathize with the amount of shit they have to go through on a daily basis. but something has to change in the way do their job…
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Do you think the wrong kind of ‘qualities’ are being sought after
by the folks that hire cops?Maybe the powers-that-hire have over-emphasized things like size and strength and military background and shooting ability, at the expense
of…oh…diplomacy, etc.w
vi think it’s a problem. nothing against people from the military, but my understanding is they are trained to follow orders. they’re not really trained in evaluating a situation and making decisions based on what they observe. so yeah. diplomacy would be very much a positive trait in an officer that is perhaps being overlooked. critical thinking would also be important.
but also. i’m wondering if psych evals need to be more stringent on these guys. being hypervigilant for that much time is going to fry one’s brain. they need to be evaluated for ptsd and appropriate measures need to be taken if they can’t perform their jobs adequately.
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