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  • in reply to: NFL will 'sweeten the pot' to keep the Rams in St. Louis #18854
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    Nobody has to change conferences. They just can’t schedule both teams to play a home game on the same date.

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    in reply to: combine measurements #18818
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    That is kind of what you see in this years entire class. There are no top 5 or top 10 or players, except maybe Williams and Cooper. Everyone is close. Players that have a larger talent, also have a larger red flag(Dorial Green-Beckham). So this is a take what you need draft. imo

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    Happy Birthday, zn.

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    http://walterfootball.com/draft2015OT.php

    Ereck Flowers*, OT, Miami
    Height: 6-6. Weight: 324.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.33.
    Projected Round (2015): Top-25 Pick.
    1/17/15: Flowers put together an excellent junior season. He demonstrated excellent feet, quickness, length and agility to block on the blind side. In the ground game, Flowers opened a lot of holes for Duke Johnson. Flowers even played well while dealing with a recurring knee injury from a torn meniscus. That knocked him out against North Carolina, but he came back quickly to play well against Florida State.

    Flowers was absolutely dominant against South Carolina to conclude his 2014 season. He illustrated his tremendous skill set as he was rock solid in pass protection and moved defenders in the ground game.

    Flowers finishes plays really well and has a mean streak. The only thing that might keep him from being a top-10 pick is bending. Some times he does more waist bending rather than knee bending, which NFL teams prefer. However, that often comes with the territory of a big blocker. It wouldn’t be surprising if Flowers’ stock rises in the lead up to the 2015 NFL Draft as the stud tackle looks like a NFL franchise left tackle who should also be a powerful presence in the ground game. Multiple teams told WalterFootball.com that they’ve given Flowers a first-round grade – some put him in the top 20.

    8/27/14: Flowers saw his first action at right tackle in 2012. He started four games and rotated into others. In 2013, Miami trusted Flowers to start at left tackle and had a solid season. The Hurricanes’ coaching staff played him over the highly touted Seantrel Henderson. Flowers has room for improvement, but he’s young and has upside.

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    Maybe he has some solid information on a few QB choices?

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    Trent Brown Florida 6’8 355 36″

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    La’el Collins’ NFL Draft Breakdown

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    The quarterback is the most important player on any team. He is the player whose performance on the field has the biggest bearing on the result of a game; therefore, the players assigned to protect the quarterback are vital as well.

    This is why there is such a high premium placed on left tackles as they protect a right-handed quarterback’s blindside and generally face the best pass-rushers in the NFL, even though it is becoming more common for teams to place their best rusher on the right to create a mismatch.

    However, It is exceedingly difficult to find quality offensive linemen, especially left tackles. One reason is “the planet theory” or that there are only so many people on the planet that are big enough and skilled enough to play offensive line at a high level in the NFL. It takes an enormous amount of skill and technique to be able to succeed in the trenches as an offensive lineman.

    On nearly every single play, an offensive lineman is at an athletic deficit as defensive linemen may be the most athletic players in the NFL given their size. The only way for an offensive lineman to compensate for this deficit in athleticism is to master the techniques and nuances of offensive line play.

    One of the top prospects in the 2015 NFL Draft who hopes to fill that scarcity of quality offensive tackles in the NFL is LSU offensive tackle La’el Collins who just won the coveted SEC Jacobs Blocking trophy for being the best offensive lineman in the SEC. Collins is a massive man as he is listed at 6-foot-5 and 321 pounds with what appears to be long arms.

    Collins has been extremely productive, as he has had 219 knockdowns in 2,482 career snaps. This means he knocks down an opposing defender on 11.3 percent or one out of every 11 snaps he is on the field, which is a truly staggering number.

    Despite that fact, it is impossible to tell how good an offensive lineman is based on stats since there are just not many of them out there.

    Therefore, let’s take a look Collins’ tape and see if he deserves the label of a first-round pick.

    Collins’ first trait that jumps out on film is his initial punch. Collins may have the strongest punch out of the entire draft-eligible offensive lineman in the draft. The purpose of an initial punch is to redirect or severely limit the defensive lineman’s force or momentum.

    This play is a great example of La’el’s great punch:

    Collins is lined up at the left tackle with a tight end to his left with a defensive end slightly shaded to his outside. After the ball is snapped, Collins takes a 45-degree lead step to his left. He remains balanced as he moves to his left with his hand cocked and ready to fire. He then fires his hands inside, which jolts the defensive end’s pads and creates a ton of movement at the line of scrimmage. He gets great arm extension and pushes the defensive end back two yards with his punch alone.

    The ability to create this much movement with his punch alone is extremely rare among offensive lineman in today’s game. Last year, Greg Robinson was able to create movement with his punch alone and Collins follow in his footsteps with this exceptional trait this year. When offensive linemen can create movement like the play above, it leads to huge holes that any running back can run through.

    The next trait that Collins exemplifies is leg drive. Once an offensive lineman engages at the point of attack with a defender they must keep their feet moving to generate the necessary amount of force to move the opposing defender. In a base drive or “power” block, an offensive lineman’s first step his his lead step, while his second is his attack step, which engages him with the defender. The only way for the offensive lineman to finish the block is to keep his feet moving through the contact or all his prior steps and punch will be wasted.

    Here is a great example of Collins’ great leg drive:

    Once again, Collins is lined up at left tackle with a tight end to his left. However, this time Dante Fowler, one of the best defensive ends in college football, is lined up shaded to his outside. After the snap, Collins takes a slight lead step with his left foot followed by an attack step with his right foot. Fowler does a great job getting off the ball quickly, which limits Collins’ ability to get a good initial punch. This initially causes a stalemate at the line of scrimmage. However, Collins drives his feet at the point of attack, while Fowler doesn’t, which allows him create a ton of movement as he pushes Fowler four yards off the line of scrimmage.

    Collins’ strength, punch and leg drive allow him to dominate in drive or power blocks in a man-blocking scheme. However, it also manifests itself when he performs zone blocks as well. While La’el does a better job of moving vertically in the run game, he displays enough lateral mobility and foot speed to execute blocks on any outside zone or stretch plays.

    Here is an example of Collins’ performing a reach block on an outside zone run:

    Collins is at the left tackle position with a tight end to his left and in a three-point stance as a defensive end is lined up head up on him. After the snap, he executes a slide step to his left, which allows him to gain leverage on the defensive end. Then, he does a great job of getting his outside hand on the outside number of the defensive end with his punch that jolts the defender. He does an excellent job of driving his feet through the contact and turning the defender to give his running back a clear lane to run through.

    Collins not only does great work at dominating opposing defenders at the line of scrimmage, but he is surprisingly adept at blocking in space for someone his size. Most massive offensive linemen look awkward moving in space, but Collins looks relatively smooth when you compare him with them. Collins doesn’t move as smoothly as some of the smaller, athletic tackles like Ty Sambrailo, but he is smooth enough to get the job done. Collins shows great mental processing in space as well. He does a great job of deciphering where and who to block in space and the best way to do it.

    This is a great example of Collins working to the second level and blocking in space:

    Collins is again at the left tackle position with a tight end to his left; however, on this play he is not covered by a defensive lineman. After the snap, the Collins takes a lead step with his right foot to perform a combination block on the defensive tackle with the left guard. As the seal blocker, his job is to hit the defender, so that the guard can perform his block, and to work to the second level and block the weak-side linebacker. Collins comes down and gets a great push, which knocks the defensive tackle down and basically eliminates him from the play. Collins then works to the second level and turns his head toward the linebacker on the weak side. Collins gets in range and performs a powerful punch that jolts the linebacker back a yard and give the running back room to get a sizable gain.

    Collins has shown all the traits to be a dominant run-blocker in the NFL. However, offensive tackles in the NFL aren’t paid to be run-blockers, they are paid to be great in pass protection. While Collins thrives in run blocking, he is no slouch in pass protection either.

    Collins does a good job of getting out of his stance and into his pass set where he can mirror defenders extremely well. In the SEC, he has faced a number of premier edge rushers, like Alvin “Bud” Dupree, Dante Fowler and Preston Smith, and he has done exceptionally well.

    This play showcases Collins’ ability to mirror his opponents:

    On this play, La’el is lined up at the left tackle in a two-point stance with Dante Fowler lined up as an outside linebacker opposite him. After the snap, Collins does a fantastic job of pushing off his inside foot and into his kick slide as Fowler explodes of the ball. Collins stays balanced in his kick slide and doesn’t give Fowler a decent route to the quarterback. He stays patient and executes a great punch, which eliminates any opportunity for Fowler to generate pressure.

    Even though the above play was a quick pass, it still shows the traits that allow Collins to thrive in pass protection. He gets into his kick slide quickly and balanced and stays square to the line of scrimmage so that Fowler doesn’t have an opportunity for an inside counter move.

    The last trait that makes Collins an exemplary offensive tackle prospect is his strong hands. Once he gets his hands on defenders its over, as it is extremely difficult to disengage off Collins’ strong grips.

    This play showcases Collins’ strong hands:

    LSU is lined up in an unbalanced left formation. Therefore, Collins is lined as the left tackle with one tackle and a tight end to his left (he is the second person from the left of the center). After the snap, Collins performs a soft kick slide as he pushes off his inside foot and takes a short jab step backwards at a 45-degree angle to his left. Once Alvin Dupree (No. 2) gets in range, Collins shoots his hands inside and grabs Dupree’s breastplate. Dupree tries as hard as he can to disengage off Collins, but he can’t, which results in Dupree flailing around as Collins easily controls him.

    While Collins is an upper-echelon tackle prospect, he does have one fundamental flaw in his game that he will need to fix. The one area where Collins doesn’t make his blocks or where he gets beat are where he overextends or gets his weight over his toes. This leads to Collins losing balance and ending up on the ground far too often.

    Here is an example of Collins overextending:

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    Collins is again lined up at the left tackle position with a tight end to his left. After the snap, Collins takes a slide step to his left to try to perform a get to the outside of the defensive end and turn him. However, Collins lunges at the defensive end and gets his pads over his toes, which allows the defensive end to easily execute a swim move over Collins who gets completely off balanced and falls to the ground.

    Collins first punch is so good that sometimes he gets too eager to fire it off at defender, which causes him to lunge and loose his balance. If Collins overextends at the next level, he will get beat badly by the elite pass rushers he will face.

    Overall, Collins’ skill set best fits on a team that employs a power-running scheme where Collins can fire off the ball, move forward and dominate his man. Nevertheless, Collins has the ability to do a great job for a team that uses a zone-blocking scheme, but it would be utilizing him to the best of his ability. Collins would best be served as a right tackle initially as he cleans up some of his flaws in year one; before he is moved over to the left tackle position in year two or three just like the Dallas Cowboys did with Tyron Smith.

    In a league that is in desperate need of quality offensive lineman, La’el Collins may be the first one off the board when April 30th rolls around.

    Projection: Round 1

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    Ag I think I will keep the independent 101/Lande…or would you rather have it here? LMK

    Go ahead and delete this one. I posted it before I saw yours.

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    JT: “Another interesting thing: Rams plan to simplify offense reduce volume of playbook from Schottenheimer tenure.”

    Interesting. I wonder if this is a “way of getting Tavon more involved”

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    I listened to the press conference. They stressed that basically they wanted to get Tavon involved. They want to be sure they can execute the basics right. I think Bradford wanted Cignette. I don’t think they will trade up or reach for a QB in the draft. If a QB drops to them in the first round, who knows? I don’t think that will happen.

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    http://www.stlouisrams.com/videos/videos/Fisher-and-Cignetti-Press-Conference/69899acd-d55a-485f-adf2-7ba08796a340
    Fisher and Cignetti Press Conference
    Watch Jeff Fisher introduce Frank Cignetti as the St. Louis Rams new offensive coordinator.

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    OT: This is a deep and solid group, but the closest guys to having elite potential are Underclassmen who still have much to learn. CLEMMINGS demonstrated that with a poor/mediocre Senior Bowl showing. Some would argue that both SCHERFF & COLLINS might be better fits at OG in the pro game.
    BRANDON SCHERFF/IOWA
    ERECK FLOWERS/MIAMI*
    ANDRUS PEAT/STANFORD*
    LA’EL COLLINS/LSU
    T.J. CLEMMINGS/PITT
    CEDRIC OGBUEHI/TEXAS A&M#

    C/G This is a deeper group than many years, but lacking in top end talent. CANN might make it late in Round 1, but that would be it.
    A.J. CANN/SOUTH CAROLINA
    TRE’ JACKSON/FLORIDA STATE
    CAMERON ERVING/C/FLORIDA STATE
    LAKEN TOMLINSON/DUKE
    HRONISS GRASU/C/OREGON

    http://gbnreport.com/pigskin-pauls-top-5-position/

    As I prepare to do my first MOCK ROUND 1, let me say that I will only have about 22-25 players overall who I would consider to be Round 1 talents from the ranks above. Depth is almost as good as last year, but the elite, skill position player count is down.

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    Isn’t it possible that a lot of the tackles here could be selected as guards?

    Like Dennis Harrah was.

    I would select La’el Collins and figure that he plays guard. I do think that he can play better LT than Robinson will play next year, although Robinson will end up being the better LT. I see Collins and a lot of these tackles the same way I look at Saffold. They can play LT, but maybe they would be a better player at a different position.

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    LAKEN TOMLINSON
    This 5th year senior was a picture of consistency all week because of his knee flexion and upper body strength. He fits the profile of a “power” right guard and appears to be a plug-in and play starter as a rookie. His confrontations with Washington’s Danny Shelton (6016/343) were highlight worthy.

    ……….Laken is also a standout in the classroom where he graduated as a double major in evolutionary anthropology and psychology.

    He might be a player that could be a good center. imo

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    Agamemnon wrote:
    There are 4 of 5 tackles good enough to play left tackle. They just aren’t good enough to be much more than a top 10 pick. Some of them are being projected to other positions or playing their first year at a different position, especially if you already have a LT.

    1 Brandon Scherff 6-5 320 5.15 Iowa X/OG
    2 *Andrus Peat 6-6 315 5.25 Stanford
    3 La’el Collins 6-5 315 5.15 LSU OG
    4 *Ereck Flowers 6-5 325 5.3 Miami
    5 T.J. Clemmings 6-5 305 5.15 Pittsburgh

    All of these could be gone between about pick 8 to pick 20 something, Different teams will rate them in different orders. If the kid from ND had come out, he would have been a top 5. imo

    How would you rate the year overall for OL in general?

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    The Giants will have a plethora of players to choose from with the ninth pick in this spring’s draft. But one position they might want to punt on in that spot is along the offensive line.

    ESPN’s draft expert Todd McShay told reporters in a conference call on Tuesday that teams looking for a top offensive line prospect at the top of the draft might end up disappointed. McShay said that the “sweet spot” in the draft for offensive linemen is more towards the bottom half of the first round and second round, where he feels the top available linemen would have more value.

    “I think there will be plenty of offensive linemen to get as long as you’re not picking somewhere in that top 10, top 15 and feel like you’re maybe reaching for one,” McShay said.

    As an example, McShay pointed to Iowa’s Brandon Scherff, an offensive tackle from the University of Iowa who he believes is the top offensive lineman in the draft. McShay gave Scherff a 92 grade, which is equivalent to a late first round pick (as a reference point, a 96-98 is a mid-to-early first round grade). But based on the offensive line needs of certain teams picking in the top 15, the Giants, arguably being one of them, McShay projected Scherff as the number 10 pick in his last mock draft. McShay also had Scherff as the eighth-highest rated prospect in this year’s draft.

    Scherff’s future position will also affect his draft value. McShay and many other draft observers feel that Scherff might be a better player at guard than at tackle, but guards are rarely taken in the top 10.

    The Giants likely will have a hole to fill at guard, especially if they move Weston Richburg to center, so it is not inconceivable that Scherff would be a prospect that they consider. After all, McShay compared Scherff to the Cowboys guard Zack Martin, who had a stellar rookie season, and was named to the Pro Bowl. The Giants were linked to Martin last spring with the 13th pick, but ultimately chose Odell Beckham Jr.

    But passing on an offensive lineman with their ninth pick obviously does not preclude the Giants from considering one in the later rounds. As McShay noted, there will be a handful of solid offensive linemen available in the second round. One name to watch will be Eric Flowers, a junior offensive tackle from Miami, who has not yet declared for the draft.

    “Eric Flowers from Miami, I think, is probably the most underrated offensive tackle if he winds up coming out,” McShay said. “An underclassmen that made real improvement at six foot six, 325 pounds this year. Smooth mover, good strength, I think his technique continues to get better, and I think he can be kind of a surprise in this class if he does come out.”

    McShay also mentioned Stanford’s Andrus Peat, Pittsburgh’s T.J. Clemmings, and LSU’s La’el Collins as three tackle prospects worthy of a second round pick. At guard, he pointed to A.J. Cann from South Carolina.

    As a draft strategy, the Giants usually look for the best player available rather than draft for need, so don’t expect them to reach for an offensive lineman with the ninth pick just because it would fill a hole. It is far more likely that they heed McShay’s advice and search for offensive line help later in the draft, and use their top pick at another position.
    http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/01/nfl_draft_2015_todd_mcshay_says_few_offensive_line_prospects_worthy_of_giants_top_10_pick.html

    That is a sample of what the draftniks think. I think you might not have the franchise LTs in this draft, but you have some decent LTs and more than average the number of decent offensive linemen. An excess of versatile linemen, but not an excess of guards or centers.

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    There are 4 of 5 tackles good enough to play left tackle. They just aren’t good enough to be much more than a top 10 pick. Some of them are being projected to other positions or playing their first year at a different position, especially if you already have a LT.

    1 Brandon Scherff 6-5 320 5.15 Iowa X/OG
    2 *Andrus Peat 6-6 315 5.25 Stanford
    3 La’el Collins 6-5 315 5.15 LSU OG
    4 *Ereck Flowers 6-5 325 5.3 Miami
    5 T.J. Clemmings 6-5 305 5.15 Pittsburgh

    All of these could be gone between about pick 8 to pick 20 something, Different teams will rate them in different orders. If the kid from ND had come out, he would have been a top 5. imo

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    Captain Peacock doesn’t suffer insolence.

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    Are You Being Served?

    I liked that show.

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    Rams to go with Cignetti as offensive coordinator
    38 minutes ago • By Jim Thomas

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    For three years as Rams quarterbacks coach Frank Cignetti has operated quietly behind the scenes, working with no less than four starting QBs over the past two seasons. Cignetti’s days of relative anonymity are over.

    Coach Jeff Fisher has decided to hire Cignetti as his new offensive coordinator, according to team sources. The formal announcement is expected next week. Cignetti, 49, replaces Brian Schottenheimer, who took the same position with the University of Georgia shortly after the conclusion of the 2014 season.

    Just a week ago, it looked like Fisher was leaning toward tight ends coach Rob Boras as his next offensive coordinator, but with Cignetti sharing some of the OC responsibility possibly as passing game coordinator. Instead Boras will be promoted to assistant head coach/offense.

    It has been clear for the past couple of weeks that Fisher was going in-house for his new coordinator. It was just a matter of whether it would be Boras or Cignetti in that role. Fisher, obviously, thinks highly of both.

    Cignetti was part of Fisher’s original staff in 2012, so he knows the offense and the playbook very well. So this figures to be a smooth transition and a continuation of the overall offensive philosophy espoused by Fisher. Namely, a strong running game with play-action passing.

    It’s unclear if Cignetti will continue to serve as quarterbacks coach, but there have been plenty of offensive coordinators in the NFL who have doubled as QB coaches. It’s also unclear whether Boras will continue working with the tight ends.

    Cignetti, 49, is a Pittsburgh native who has had extensive coordinator’s experience on the college level, starting at Div. II Indiana (Pa.) in 1997-98, but then at the Div. I level at Fresno State (2002-05), North Carolina (2006), California-Berkeley (2008), and Pittsburgh (2009-11).

    He doubled up as coordinator/QBs coach at Indiana (Pa.), Cal, and Pitt.

    In the end, that coordinator experience may have given Cignetti the edge over Boras.

    Boras, 44, has spent 11 seasons in the NFL coaching tight ends with the Rams, Jacksonville and Chicago. Among his college-coaching stops was a five-year stint at Nevada-Las Vegas from 1999-2003. He was the offensive line coach there for all five seasons, but doubled up as offensive coordinator his last three seasons there.

    Cignetti may not be a household name, but besides his college work, he has also been an NFL assistant in Kansas City, New Orleans and San Francisco. He grew up in a coaching household. His father, Frank Cignetti Sr., once was head coach at West Virginia and was a long-time coach at small-college Indiana (Pa.)

    At Fresno State, the younger Cignetti coordinated offenses that finished fifth nationally in total offense in 2004 and seventh in 2005. The ‘04 team became only the sixth team in NCAA history to score 50-plus points in four consecutive games. In ‘09 at Pittsburgh, the Panthers averaged 32.1 points per game.

    In another development, Rams assistant defensive line coach Clyde Simmons is interviewing for the head D-line coaching job with the Oakland Raiders.

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    They will convert some to a bonus, some to incentives, and add another year as an option. His salary cap for this year is probably about 6m. imo

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