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April 27, 2015 at 7:31 pm in reply to: OL in the draft: Rams like Flowers? … Smith, Fisher, etc. #23235
AgamemnonParticipantApril 27, 2015 at 7:15 pm in reply to: Rams to pick up fifth-year option on DT Michael Brockers #23232
AgamemnonParticipantWhy not pick up Barronās option? Why spend all that draft capitol and not try to keep him a little longer.
This might not be an answer, but it is an opinion. š
A 4th and a 6th in this years draft is cheap for guy picked at 7. There are no top safeties in this years draft.
8 million dollars is the money you would pay for a top safety. But the Rams aren’t sure what his real value is at this time. Let him earn a contract this year. They can try to keep him, just not at 8m/yr. So far he is starting over the safety the Rams picked at 4 last year, Alexander.
Beside that the transition tag is 8m/yr. So instead of picking up the option for a 5th year, they can put the transition tag on him for the same amount and they can decide that later than the deadline for the the option year.
Another thing, if Barron does sign a high dollar contract with another team, the Rams could get a compensatory pick. That pick could be as high as a 3rd round pick.
April 27, 2015 at 5:48 pm in reply to: Rams to pick up fifth-year option on DT Michael Brockers #23229
AgamemnonParticipanthttp://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/article_29123deb-c4f9-551b-b90a-4ff14488eed9.html
(Updated) Rams exercise 5th-year option on Brockers, but not Barron
2 hours ago ⢠By Jim ThomasIn what should rate as a case of doing the expected, the Rams have decided to exercise the fifth-year option on defensive tackle Michael Brockers, but not safety Mark Barron, for the 2016 season.
The Rams faced a league-wide deadline of May 3, the day after this year’s draft, to exercise the fifth-year options.
The fifth-year option concept was instituted as part of the 2011 collective bargaining agreement. Last year, the Rams exercised their fifth-year option on defensive end Robert Quinn, subsequently signing him to a contract extension last September before the Rams’ Week 2 contest at Tampa Bay.
Quinn was selected 14th overall in the 2011 draft.
This year, it’s the 2012 first-round class that’s subject to the fifth-year option, and Brockers was selected 14th overall by the Rams and Barron seventh overall by Tampa Bay that year.
With the Rams exercising Brockers’ option, he is scheduled to make $6.146 million in 2016. That’s the average of the third_ through 25th-highest paid defensive tackles in the NFL. Which is the formula used for fifth-year options on players drafted from No. 11 overall to No. 32 in the opening round.
However, for players drafted in the top 10 such as Barron, the fifth-year option is more expensive: it’s the average of the 10-highest players at the position. (Or the equivalent of the transition tag number.)
So for Barron, it would’ve cost the Rams $8.263 million to exercise the fifth-year option, way too high to be practical. So Barron plays the 2015 season with the Rams, and then becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2016 unless the Rams re-sign him to a contract extension.
Brockers, 24, registered 73 tackles and two sacks last season, a little off his career highs of 75 tackles and 5 1/2 sacks in 2013. But with the emergence of rookie Aaron Donald, Brockers did more of the dirty work on the Rams’ defensive front in 2014, frequently playing almost in a nose tackle-type role over the second half of the season.
Acquired in an Oct. 29 trade with Tampa Bay in exchange for fourth_ and sixth-round picks in this year’s draft, Barron appeared in nine games with two starts for the Rams last season.
He recorded 23 tackles with three sacks and a pass breakup, and was effective blitzing in passing situations.
April 27, 2015 at 2:05 pm in reply to: OL in the draft: Rams like Flowers? … Smith, Fisher, etc. #23221
AgamemnonParticipantFind this article at:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000488130/article/scout-slams-overrated-stanford-ot-andrus-peat
Scout slams ‘overrated’ Stanford OT Andrus PeatBy Chase Goodbread
College Football 24/7 writer
Published: April 25, 2015 at 10:50 a.m.
Updated: April 25, 2015 at 01:08 p.m.With a couple of the top offensive linemen available in next week’s NFL draft possibly ticketed for a switch from college tackle to pro guard, Stanford’s Andrus Peat might be the first pure tackle prospect chosen in the first round.
And at least one NFL scout doesn’t understand why Peat’s stock is so high.
Among a collection of comments from NFL scouts gathered about Peat by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, one was anything but flattering.
“I saw him get thrown around like a rag doll,” the scout said. “I respect what people think about the guy, but every defensive player I saw against Stanford kicked the (expletive) out of the guy. If you’re asking me who was the most overrated guy I saw, it was that guy.”
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(April 30-May 2 on NFL Network)Another scout acknowledged Peat as the No. 1 player at his position, but still offered a strong a critique of him.
“He’s got damn good feet but … the last bowl game against Maryland he looked like (expletive),” he said. “He’s the No. 1 guy but he’s never been pushed. He doesn’t have any core strength. He doesn’t take hard coaching.”
Several offensive tackles are expected to be chosen late in the first round, Peat among them. Pittsburgh’s T.J. Clemmings, Florida’s D.J. Humphries and Miami’s Ereck Flowers are others, although NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock said on a Thursday teleconference that there are questions about each.
“After (Iowa’s Brandon Scherff), there are an awful lot of question marks. That doesn’t mean there’s not a lot of talent, because there is,” Mayock said. “But I could take, for instance, Ereck Flowers, D.J. Humphries, Andrus Peat, and T.J. Clemmings — all are gifted first-round tackles — but I could poke a hole in every one of those kids, either from a technique perspective, or an off-the-field perspective, or whatever.”
While Peat failed to impress one scout that spoke to the Journal Sentinel, another was very positive in his review, comparing Peat to one of the top offensive tackles in the NFL.
“So smooth. Really impressive physically. I compared him to (Dallas Cowboys OT) Tyron Smith. Great pass protector. Just not that powerful at this age,” the scout said.
Projections on Peat’s draft standing vary wildly among NFL Media mock drafts, ranging from as high as No. 9 overall to the New York Giants to as low as No. 25 to the Carolina Panthers.
April 27, 2015 at 6:32 am in reply to: new draft thread — mocks, scouting reports, different takes, etc. #23211
AgamemnonParticipanthttp://search.espn.go.com/qb-camp/videos/6
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12770407
Gruden’s QB Camp: Brandon scherffJon Gruden and Mel Kiper Jr. break down the offensive tackles in the NFL draft.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12770344
Gruden’s QB Camp: Pass Rushers
Jon Gruden and Mel Kiper Jr. break down pass rushers in the NFL draft.
AgamemnonParticipantESPN NFL Draft Programming Update
By Allie Stoneberg @AllieStoneberg
Posted on April 22, 2015
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2015/04/espn-nfl-draft-programming-update/ESPN NFL Draft-Related SportsCenter Specials
ESPN will present more than 10 original hours of SportsCenter Specials leading up to the 2015 NFL Draft. SportsCenter Specials begin today with Youāve Got Mel & Todd at 7 p.m. ET on ESPN2. Fans are invited to submit questions via Twitter using the hashtag #AskMelandTodd. Schedule:
ESPN Conference Call Transcript: Jon Gruden on QB Camp Series and NFL Draft Prospects
ESPN conducted a media conference call on Tuesday with Monday Night Footballās Jon Gruden to discuss his Grudenās QB Camp series and ESPNās 2015 NFL Draft coverage. Gruden will provide analysis on the main set the opening night, April 30, in prime time. Full audio replay. Full transcript. (Grudenās QB Camp TV schedule and photos).Additionally, audio replays for recent media conference calls with NFL Draft analysts Todd McShay and Mel Kiper Jr. are available via the PodCenter page on ESPN.com.
ESPNās Draft Academy, Grudenās QB Camp Continue
The sixth season of Grudenās QB Camp and season two of Draft Academy continue, highlighting top prospects in the 2015 NFL Draft: Florida Stateās Jameis Winston, Oregonās Marcus Mariota, Colorado Stateās Garrett Grayson, UCLAās Brett Hundley, Baylorās Bryce Petty (#GrudenQBCamp) and Winston, Wisconsinās Melvin Gordon, Georgiaās Todd Gurley, Missouriās Shane Ray, Ohio Stateās Devin Smith and North Dakota Stateās John Crockett (#DraftAcademy). Series schedules: Grudenās QB Camp and Draft Academy. Photos of Mariota, Petty and Winston are available via ESPN Images.Top NFL Draft Prospects Appear as Guests on ESPN TV, Radio Shows During #ESPNDraftWeek
Wide receivers Amari Cooper (Alabama) and Kevin White (West Virginia) and defensive ends Leonard Williams (USC), Dante Fowler Jr. (Florida) and Shane Ray (Missouri) ā five top prospects in this yearās NFL Draft ā are visiting ESPNās Bristol, Conn., campus this week, appearing as guests on ESPN TV and radio shows. Ray is also featured in the second season of Draft Academy (Tuesdays, 7 p.m. ET, ESPN). Photos are available via ESPN Images.ESPNās Presentation of the 2015 NFL Draft in Chicago
ESPN will present the 2015 NFL Draft ā its 36th consecutive year televising the event ā April 30-May 2 from the Auditorium Theatre of Roosevelt University in Chicago, as the draft makes its Windy City debut. The first two days will air in prime time, and the first hour of Round 1 coverage will again air with limited commercial interruption. Commentator assignments. Photos from last yearās event. Schedule:
April 26, 2015 at 11:53 am in reply to: new draft thread — mocks, scouting reports, different takes, etc. #23189
AgamemnonParticipantBill Polian
ESPN NFL Insider Bill Polian weighs in on the strength of the 2015 NFL draft class, front office preparation for the draft, whether or not he would trade for either top QB and more.
Polian says, “I don’t see a lot of clean players in this draft. ….. Once you get past 10 or 12, almost everybody else, might even have second round grades on them. That is probably an exaggeration. But I would guess there aren’t more than, on most people’s boards, 18 first rounders.”
April 26, 2015 at 11:21 am in reply to: OL in the draft: Rams like Flowers? … Smith, Fisher, etc. #23186
AgamemnonParticipantNFL Draft
Added Flexibility: Versatile Offensive Line Prospects Offer Better Draft Value
By Brent Sobleski , NFL Draft Analyst Apr 20, 2015The more a prospect can do at the NFL level, the more valuable he becomes. This is particularly true along the offensive line.
In the NFL, teams are mandated to maintain a 53-man roster. On game days, the number is reduced to 45. Teams generally keep eight offensive linemen on their final roster and only seven active on game days.
Teams are sometimes placed in drastic circumstances due to unforeseen injuries. A lineman with the ability to play multiple positions as a starter or backup is absolutely vital to a team’s ability to withstand injuries.
At one point last season, the Atlanta Falcons were forced to play starting tight end Levine Toilolo at right tackle for half a game due to multiple offensive line injuries. While this is an extreme case of what can happen on game day, the overall value of a lineman increases by being able to shift seamlessly to other positions along the offensive front.
The 2015 offensive line class is truly unique. The top two prospects, Iowa’s Brandon Scherff and LSU’s La’el Collins, are generally considered guard prospects even though they played left tackle for the bulk of their careers.
Scherff in particular is strongly viewed as a guard prospect, according to NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah (via NJ.com’s Jordan Raanan):
Former NFL scout @MoveTheSticks just said he believes that Brandon Scherff is "100% a guard." Not the same as Zack Martin. #NFLDraft
— Jordan Raanan (@JordanRaanan) April 13, 2015
The reason Scherff projects well to guard is his build at 6’5″ and 319 pounds with less-than-ideal 33.375″ arms. The reigning Outland Trophy winner also displays an explosive lower body to uproot bigger defensive linemen, as evidenced by a 443-pound hang clean, and absolutely nasty disposition as a run-blocker.Projecting Scherff to guard, where he played 11 games as a redshirt freshman, doesn’t completely rule out the possibility of his eventually playing offensive tackle, though.
His lateral movement and ability to change directions are actually better than that of two former Iowa products, the Green Bay Packers’ Bryan Bulaga and the Detroit Lions’ Riley Reiff, who developed into legitimate starters at offensive tackle in the NFL.

Pro Football Focus graded Reiff as an above-average blind-side protector in 2014, and Bulaga signed a five-year, $33.75 million contract in free agency to remain the Packers’ starting right tackle.
Scherff’s tape during his senior season didn’t always reflect his overall agility, because the offensive tackle suffered an MCL injury during the season that required surgery. The Iowa native returned to practice later in the week and never missed a game.
Also, Scherff’s arms are actually longer than both Bulaga’s and Reiff’s.
A team selecting the latest product from Iowa’s assembly line of offensive line talent may decide to let him play left tackle until he proves he can’t. Or they could groom him at guard to eventually take over at left tackle. Both options are open, since Bulaga displayed enough physical ability to possibly start at four of the five offensive line positions.
And he isn’t the only first-round prospect with similar potential.
La’el Collins
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The LSU product’s plight is very similar to Scherff’s.
After becoming a starter at guard, Collins spent his last two seasons on campus at left tackle. Yet he’s often projected as a guard prospect despite a first-round grade.
Teams have asked Collins numerous questions about where he will actually play.
“Theyāve asked me if I could slide to the right side, and then in two years go to the left,” Collins said at the NFL combine, via Sports Illustrated’s Doug Farrar. “I feel very confident in what I do, so it wouldnāt be a problem. Theyāve asked me about playing guard and I could play either spot, right or left side. I love the one-on-one matchups. Being out there, one-on-one with a guy and having my way with him.ā
The transition from offensive tackle to guard is all about speed and quickness.
Does an offensive tackle display nimble enough footwork to handle some of the world’s greatest athletes, who will be using their speed and natural athleticism to get after the quarterback?
Or is that prospect better suited to play inside, where he has less room to operate, but the defenders gets into the block much quicker, and they’re stronger at the point of attack?
Collins didn’t adequately address either question during the evaluation process.
At the Reese’s Senior Bowl and NFL combine, the Baton Rouge, Louisiana, native showed up at 305 pounds. Collins, who was listed at 321 pounds on LSU’s official site, impressed at both events with his movement skills. It was enough to warrant consideration as a legitimate left tackle prospect.
Collins then showed up at LSU’s pro day and weighed 320 pounds a month after his combine workout, according to the team’s official release.
His weight fluctuation automatically brings the earlier performances into question and raises doubt as to whether or not Collins can legitimately play left tackle at the next level.
There is, however, no question about Collins’ dominance as a run-blocker, courtesy of OL Watchdog:
La'el Collins with about as good a rep of OL as you'll ever. 3 pancakes in 1 play at LT https://t.co/8uYAoBKwfd
— OL Watchdog (@OLineScout) April 5, 2015
As a tackle or a guard, Collins should be able to step in immediately and contribute as a physical presence along the offensive front. He might be better suited for man-gap schemes instead of zone-heavy systems, but the LSU product has previously shown an ability to do both, whether he maintains a certain weight or not.
Being able to play four out of the five offensive line positions is only one type of versatile lineman. There are also those prospects capable of playing all three interior positions as a swing player at guard or center.
A.J. Cann
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After 51 startsāthe second-most for an offensive lineman in South Carolina historyāat left guard, Cann already projects well to a certain position.
“I see him as a left guard-only prospect who overcomes lack of height with athleticism,” an anonymous SEC coach told NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein.
However, the Bamberg, South Carolina, native didn’t let his four years of tape simply speak for him. Cann tried to prove he could do more for NFL teams to consider.
At the South Carolina pro day, the guard provided NFL scouts with something a little extra, according to DraftInsider.net’s Tony Pauline:
Interesting note from South Carolina pro-day- guard AJ Cann doing a lot of word at offensive center.
— Tony Pauline (@TonyPauline) April 1, 2015
Cann hinted at the possibility a month earlier at the NFL combine.
“I can play either LG or RG, maybe even center,” the South Carolina product said, via CBSS ports’ Dane Brugler. “I don’t think that would be a problem.”
The second-team Walter Camp All-American already established himself as one of the top guard prospects through four years of play. Yet teams interested in Cann have now seen him in some center drills.
Even as a projected second-round pick at guard, center holds more overall value. The ability to play all three interior spots along with his stellar player at South Carolina makes Cann one of the best offensive line prospects in this year’s class.
While it’s impressive to be able to play three or four offensive line positions, very few can play all five.
Cameron Erving
Maybe the most impressive achievement of any college football player last season belongs to Erving.
The Seminoles product was named to the 2014 All-ACC First Team at left tackle and the Second Team at center.
Erving is only three years removed from playing defensive line after making the transition from defense to offensive line in the spring of 2012.
For two-and-a-half years, Erving served as the Seminoles’ left tackle and played at a high level on the blind side. In 2013, the native of Moultrie, Georgia, was awarded the Jacobs Blocking Trophy as the best offensive lineman in the ACC. He won the award in 2014 as well.
But Erving’s 2014 campaign took a slight detour on his way to the NFL. The blind-side protector was pressed into action at center due to injuries along the offensive line.
It was from this point that Erving’s draft status absolutely soared. The former offensive tackle seamlessly transitioned inside and dominated over the second half of the season. The move seemed absolutely natural for him.
As tackle, Erving was viewed as as second-tier prospect. But his move inside should make him a first-round selection and the highest center prospect off the board.
Teams, though, aren’t overly particular regarding the position he eventually plays.
“The teams I’ve talked to have just talked about me playing offensive line,” Erving told Bleacher Report in a phone interview. “They want to see how well you comprehend offenses and know defenses. They’ve seen the film. They eye in the sky doesn’t lie, and that’s always (something) I’ve been a big believer in. Whatever team picks me, I’ll just have to find how I fit into their system.”
Based on Erving’s answer, some teams may still view him as an offensive tackle prospect, while others lean toward center. Also, the possibility of guard can’t be ruled out of the equation. At 6’5″ and 313 pounds with arms just over 34 inches in length, Erving owns the requisite physical tools and athleticism to play all five offensive line positions.
ESPN’s Louis Riddick even believes Erving’s potential supersedes that of some of the previously discussed offensive line prospects:
OT's get the attention, & many will be over drafted, but OC Cam Erving = best OL in '15 draft. #NFL Starter as soon as his name is called.
— Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) April 3, 2015
The Florida State product is not the only prospect in this year’s class with the ability to potentially play all five offensive line positions.
Ali Marpet
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The Division III product from Hobart College remains one of the media darlings in the upcoming draft.
Everyone roots for the underdog, even though Marpet proved to be a bully during his collegiate career while playing against inferior competition.
At the Reese’s Senior Bowl, Marpet didn’t falter against vastly superior competition. Instead, he thrived. The South Florida Sun-Sentinel’s Omar Kelly was blown away by Marpet in Mobile, Alabama:
Ali Marpet was the 2nd best O-lineman at Senior Bowl. He was top performer at the combine. He's super smart,strong,& has a great personality
— Omar Kelly (@OmarKelly) April 11, 2015
Marpet, who played left tackle in college, worked primarily at guard and even saw some time at center, according to FirstRoundGrade.com’s Bryan Perez.
Even NFL.com projects Marpet as a center.
“Marpet has also been impressive in meetings with line coaches,” NFL Network’s Albert Breer reported. “With his combination of intelligence and ability, he might be a center long-term.”
Before the move is made official, though, Hobart might be able to hold up at tackle in certain situations.
At 6’4″ and 307 pounds with 33.375″ arms, his measurements are less than ideal. But not all tackle prospects fit the mold. The Hobart product is certainly a top-notch athlete with top-five finishes at the combine in the 40-yard dash, three-cone drill and 20-yard shuttle.
Marpet will likely be drafted sooner rather than later based on his raw athleticism and potential to play all five positions in a pinch.
Versatility equals value
What do each of the aforementioned prospects have in common?
They’ll be selected by at least the end of the second day of the draft. Scherff, Collins and Erving will, in some order, likely be the first three offensive linemen off the board.
Cann and Marpet are second-day options, but their ability to play multiple positions only enhances their natural value. Teams wouldn’t be quite as high on Cann as a pure guard prospect. If Marpet didn’t show well at the Senior Bowl or offer position flexibility, the Division III product wouldn’t even be considered in the first three rounds.
The ability to competently play multiple positions on a limited NFL roster is simply too tempting for teams when comparing these prospects to position-specific options.
Usually, the ability to play more than one position can even be what differentiates one prospect from another. Beyond those mentioned, Oregon’s Jake Fisher, Missouri’s Mitch Morse and Utah’s Jeremiah Poutasi also provide similar flexibility and value.
Talented big men are hard to find. Big men athletic enough to do multiple things are highly sought-after commodities.
In this year’s draft class, it’s not a coincidence that some of the best overall talents among the offensive linemen present the best value due to their position flexibility.
April 26, 2015 at 5:43 am in reply to: Bob McGinn | Draft Series: WRs, QBs, OL, RBs, DL, LBs, DBs, & top 100 #23174
AgamemnonParticipantMilwaukee Journal Sentinel
Rating the NFL draft prospects: Running backs
By Bob McGinn of the Journal Sentinel
April 25, 2015The Journal Sentinel’s Bob McGinn assesses the top running backs in the draft this week. Included is each player’s height, weight, 40-yard dash time and projected round.
RUNNING BACKS1. TODD GURLEY, Georgia (6-0 ½, 225, 4.48, 1): Third-year junior from Tarboro, N.C. “You start comparing him to Bo (Jackson) and Herschel (Walker) and Adrian (Peterson), that’s when you know you’re dealing with a special player,” said one scout. “Physically, this dude can do everything. He’s my favorite player in the draft. He’s a football all-day guy.” Scored 44 TDs, second in Bulldogs’ history to Walker’s 52. “Gurley’s different than Marshawn (Lynch),” a veteran scout said. “More explosive than Eddie George. Fred Taylor wasn’t as explosive, either. Probably better than Steven Jackson. I don’t think he’s better than Bo Jackson.” Rushed 510 times for 3,285 yards (6.4-yard average, 36 TDs) and caught 65 passes. Suffered a torn ACL Nov. 15 and underwent surgery 10 days later. “I’d worry about him lasting,” a fourth scout said. “He’s like Adrian and (Walter) Payton, very violent and aggressive as a runner. I’m not sure he’s as dynamic as those guys. He could be.” Scored 12 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test.
2. MELVIN GORDON, Wisconsin (6-0 ½, 215, 4.46, 1): Fourth-year junior from Kenosha Bradford. “He’s really good,” one scout said. “He’s got really good vision and feet and burst and acceleration. He doesn’t have the top-end elite speed, and he’s going to need work in the pass game.” Compared most often to Jamaal Charles (5-11, 199, 4.40), the Chiefs’ third-round pick in 2008. “But Jamaal catches the ball out of the backfield really well,” another scout said. “That’s not a part of his game (Gordon) is developed in. Even a year ago they were replacing him on third downs with James White. He’s got solid speed, not special. He’s an outside runner that will have to run inside in the NFL, and that’s going to be a challenge. I don’t think he’s a complete back.” Finished with 631 carries for 4,915 (7.8, 45 TDs) and 22 receptions. Fumbled 12 times. “He doesn’t have any holes,” a third scout said. “His speed is fast enough. His pass pro is good enough. Great kid.” Wonderlic of 20. “Is he going to be Todd Gurley or Earl Campbell?” a fourth scout said. “No, no way. But there’s a lot to go on with that guy. There’s a role for that guy. That’s what everybody’s playing. You’re playing roles.”
3. AMEER ABDULLAH, Nebraska (5-8 ½, 203, 4.52, 2): Compared by two personnel men to Giovani Bernard. Has the exact size and speed as the Bengals’ second-round pick in 2013. “They ended up drafting Jeremy Hill last year because they wanted a guy to run really hard between the tackles,” one scout said. “Bernard’s really tough in a spread offense on screens, draws and receiver stuff in space. Abdullah will be the same thing. He runs excellent routes, has great ball skills and instincts. He’s fumbled the ball too much (24) but some weren’t his fault. His game translates well to the zone scheme in the NFL.” Led RBs in vertical jump (42 inches), broad jump (10-10) and reps on the bench press (24). “I think he has more of a chance than Gordon,” a second scout said. “He’s like LeSean McCoy. He can break you down and make you miss. He can beat a linebacker one on one. He needs more work in pass pro.” Finished with 813 carries for 4,588 (5.6, 39 TDs) and 73 receptions. Team MVP last two years. “I’m not sold on him,” said a third scout. “Little. Not a good blocker.” From Homewood, Ala.
4. T.J. YELDON, Alabama (6-1, 220, 4.54, 2): Third-year junior. “If the Cowboys are looking for a replication of DeMarco Murray then they should take him in the second or third round,” one scout said. Stood out as a freshman, splitting carries with Eddie Lacy as the Crimson Tide won the national title. “I thought he was a hell of a runner, especially on the perimeter,” another scout said. “On screens he’s got great stop and start. He’ll overmatch some DBs with his strength.” Finished with 576 carries for 3,322 (5.8, 37 TDs) and 46 receptions. “He was not their best back (in 2014),” a third scout said. “Derrick Henry, the sophomore, was. He’s not as good as Lacy, but he’s better than (Mark) Ingram. Yeldon is really strong and has excellent balance, and he has really good hands. But they always catch him.” From Daphne, Ala.
5. TEVIN COLEMAN, Indiana (5-11 ½, 207, 4.39, 2): Third-year junior. “He’s explosive as heck,” one scout said. “More of a straight-line guy. Every time he touches the ball it’s a potential touchdown. Not a quick, nifty runner.” Followed RBs Anthony Thompson and Vaughn Dunbar as the Hoosiers’ third consensus All-American. “Little bit of a crease runner,” said another scout. “Not a lot of movement. But you run a zone stretch with him, he’ll plant it and get downhill.” Finished with 452 carries for 3,219 (7.1, 28 TDs) and 54 receptions. Just back from a turf toe injury that concerns teams. Several personnel men said he is one of several draft-eligible players detected with the sickle cell trait. “He’s the only one in a long time that can outrun pursuit angles,” another scout said. “That’s how fast he is. But he’s not a creative back. I don’t think he’s a good natural runner inside. Doesn’t run with a lot of power.” From Tinley Park, Ill (Oak Forest High).
6. DUKE JOHNSON, Miami (5-9, 205, 4.51, 2-3): Third-year junior from Miami (Norland High). “Kind of a poor man’s Shady (LeSean) McCoy,” one scout said. “He’s got a little power for his size. Good out of the backfield. Elusive, runs aggressive. He’s just small.” Finished with 381 carries for 2,599 (6.8, 20 TDs) and 65 receptions. “He’s short but productive as hell,” a second scout said. “He’s stumpy. He’s a block. Frank Gore wasn’t 5-9. Good feet and balance and hands.” Missed 2013 with a broken ankle. “Reliable north-south runner,” a third scout said. “Lots of yards after the catch. Good stiff arm. Quick start. But he’s short, non-explosive and a non-pass blocker.”
7. JAY AJAYI, Boise State (6-0, 223, 4.56, 2-3): Several executives said they either have removed him from consideration or backed way off because of how their medical staff evaluated his knee (ACL surgery, 2011). “I just don’t know if he’ll hold up physically,” one scout said. “He’s had a lot of carries.” Last season, he became the first player in FBS annals to surpass 1,800 yards rushing and 500 receiving. Finished with 678 carries for 3,796 (5.6, 50 TDs) and 73 receptions. “Big back with very good speed,” another scout said. “Very physical.” Fourth-year junior from Plano Texas. His Wonderlic score of 24 was second highest of top 25 RBs behind the 35 of South Dakota State’s Zach Zenner. “He’s fast and can catch,” a third scout said. “But when there was contact it was over. His legs went dead. He didn’t pass block. I like a little more grit.”
8. BUCK ALLEN, Southern California (6-0 ½, 220, 4.52, 2-3): Fourth-year junior from Tallahassee, Fla. “He’s a little bit like Dorsey Levens, how he runs,” said one scout, referring to Levens’ high knee action. “He can catch, he’s got size and he’s got speed. He could grow into being a starter.” Reminded another scout of Marcus Allen, another former Trojan. “Because he runs, he catches and he blocks,” he said. “He runs those wheel routes out of the backfield, and he can catch at all levels. Aggressive north-south runner. He didn’t get the attention he should have. They played three different backs and he alternated. He ran and worked out well.” Finished with 417 carries for 2,306 (5.5, 25 TDs) and 63 receptions. Wonderlic of 12. “He’s really a finesse guy for a big guy,” a third scout said. “I wish there would be more surge when he hits stuff.”
9. JEREMY LANGFORD, Michigan State (5-11 ½, 209, 4.41, 2-3): Redshirted in 2010, played CB in 2011 and was a WR the next spring before moving back to RB for good that August. Exploded in 2013-’14. “I like him over Coleman because he makes NFL runs,” one scout said. “He has to pick and show vision and contact balance. When you spread out all over the damn field and they pitch you the ball and you pick a running lane (like Indiana), that’s a little different. He’s not Le’Veon Bell. He’s a step below. I don’t think he’s your front-liner but he does everything well.” Finished with 577 carries for 2,967 (5.1, 40 TDs) and 39 receptions. “The speed surprised me,” another scout said. “He wants to bounce (outside) all the time. He’s a cutback guy. High pad level (pass blocking) and gets pushed.” From Wayne, Mich.
10. DAVID COBB, Minnesota (5-11, 229, 4.75, 3): Carried merely 11 times in 2011-’12 before claiming the starting job in mid-2013 when Rodrick Williams got hurt. “He came to life the last two years,” one scout said. “Where the hell was he before that? He’s like Shonn Green and the guy who plays for the Lions (Joique Bell). He’s a complementary back.” Finished with 562 carries for 2,893 (51, 20 TDs) and 34 receptions. “He’s Alfred Morris,” another scout said. “He’s slow, runs 4.7. But he’s got size, great feet, vision and he breaks tackles. He makes people miss. He just doesn’t have breakaway speed.” From Killeen, Texas.
11. DAVID JOHNSON, Northern Iowa (6-0 ½, 223, 4.46, 3): “Like him in the third round,” one scout said. “He’s got great hands. Big, imposing guy.” Will become Panthers’ first running back to be drafted in 49 years. “I don’t know about him,” said another scout. “He’s not a good runner. For his size he should be bowling people over, and he doesn’t. Here’s a guy that can run fast. Absolutely fantastic kid. But he was a wide receiver when he got there, and that’s how he plays. He plays running back like a wide receiver. I really wanted to like him because I’m big on character guys and guys that practice hard.” Finished with 866 carries for 4,682 yards (5.4, 49 TDs) and a whopping 141 receptions. Had 203 receiving yards Aug. 30 against Iowa. “Wouldn’t be a bad all-around back,” a second scout said. “He’s not quite there instinctively but he’s got a chance.” From Clinton, Iowa.
12. CAMERON ARTIS-PAYNE, Auburn (5-9 ½, 212, 4.48, 3-4): Draft status affected by age. Will be a 25-year-old rookie after staying home first two years after high school. “He’s like Ahmad Bradshaw,” one scout said. “He catches the (expletive) out of the ball. Like him.” Played two years in junior college, backed up for Tigers in 2013 and replaced departed Tre Mason last season when he led the SEC in rushing. “Man, he is a good player,” another scout said. “Good vision, good toughness and his 40 was really good.” Finished with 394 carries for 2,218 (5.6, 19 TDs) but only 14 receptions. From Harrisburg, Pa.
OTHERS: Karlos Williams, Florida State; Mike Davis, South Carolina; Matt Jones, Florida; John Crockett, North Dakota State; Malcolm Brown, Texas; Zach Zenner, South Dakota State; Terrence Magee, Louisiana State; Thomas Rawls, Central Michigan; Josh Robinson, Mississippi State; Braylon Heard, Kentucky.
FULLBACKS1. JALSTON FOWLER, Alabama (5-11, 252, 4.86, 5-6): Five-year player from Mobile, Ala; gained extra year after suffering a torn ACL in Game 2 of 2012. “Inconsistent,” one scout said. “He’ll handle a guy one play and the next play he won’t. It wouldn’t shock me if he got into the league and turned into a hammer. Alabama tried to do too much with him as far as catching the ball out of the backfield. I don’t think he developed the mentality to be a guy to go and blast people all the time. He can do it. He’s a compliant enough kid. He’s got all the traits to be that guy.” Finished with 112 carries for 738 (6.6, five TDs) and 19 receptions. One scout said he was similar to but not quite as physical as former Packers FB Quinn Johnson.
2. TYLER VARGA, Yale (5-10 ½, 222, 4.68, 5-6): Born in Sweden to highly athletic parents. Grew up in Canada (Kitchener, Ontario), where he excelled in a myriad of sports and learned to speak three languages. “Just a rare type of kid,” one scout said. “Physical specimen. Built well enough to be a fullback in the league.” Played well in the Senior Bowl (two TDs) and worked out well at pro day. “He’s definitely willing as a blocker,” another scout said. “Kind of a man among boys in the Ivy League. Didn’t get to showcase his receiving skills a ton, but he looked really good catching the ball at the workout. Very smart (Wonderlic of 28).” Finished with 529 carries for 2,985 (5.6, 31 TDs) and 38 receptions.
3. MIKE BURTON, Rutgers (5-11, 247, 4.70, 7):Walk-on. “If you’re going to draft a fullback you could definitely draft him,” one scout said. “He’ll make it and play for a long time. He wasn’t an overpowering blocker but he was willing. Got some run skills for a fullback. He’s played special teams and is good at it. He can catch the ball.” Finished with 22 carries for 116 (5.3) and 47 receptions. From Long Valley, N.J.
OTHERS:Connor Neighbors, Louisiana State; Aaron Ripkowski, Oklahoma; Joey Iosefa, Hawaii; Mark Weisman, Iowa.
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Rating the NFL draft prospects: Offensive linemen
April 24, 2015The Journal Sentinel’s Bob McGinn assesses the top offensive linemen in the draft next week. Included is each player’s height, weight, 40-yard dash time and projected round.
TACKLES1. ANDRUS PEAT, Stanford (6-7, 315, 5.21, 1): Third-year junior. “He’s what I call a beautiful athlete,” one scout said. “So smooth. Really impressive physically. I compared him to Tyron Smith. Great pass protector. Just not that powerful at this age.” Started 27 games at LT the past two seasons after rotating as a freshman in 2012. “He’s got damn good feet but… the last bowl game against Maryland he looked like (expletive),” another scout said. “He’s the No. 1 guy but he’s never been pushed. He doesn’t have any core strength. He doesn’t take hard coaching.” His father, Todd, was a squatty guard in the NFL for six years. Excellent prep basketball player in Chandler, Ariz. “I saw him get thrown around like a rag doll,” a third scout said. “I respect what people think about the guy, but every defensive player I saw against Stanford kicked the (expletive) out of the guy. If you’re asking me who was the most overrated guy I saw, it was that guy.” Scored 27 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test.
2. ERECK FLOWERS, Miami (6-6½, 326, 5.34, 1): Third-year junior who prepped in Miami. “Big, rugged, physical right tackle,” said one scout. “Starts right away.” Made four starts at RT in 2012 and 24 at LT in 2013-’14. “Violent, physical player,” another scout said. “Fundamentally, he’s got to clean some things up. He ducks his head. He tries to win with all upper body. He’s got to learn to play with more patience.” Led O-linemen in bench-press reps with 37. “Strictly a right tackle or guard,” a third scout said. “He can’t play left tackle because he isn’t quick. He is powerful and he does have an anchor. He’s stiff, so he has problems with adjust and recovery. He carries his hands low. He needs a lot of work with his hands. Big disappointment of the (top) group.”
3. D.J. HUMPHRIES, Florida (6-5, 307, 5.08, 1): Third-year junior from Union, N.C. “Probably the best athlete of the O-line group,” one scout said. “He’s got every tool you look for in a left tackle. He just has to grow into his body. He came in at 255 and he’s 300 now. Great kid. Leader of that O-line the last two years. He does play physical. It’s just some of the bigger, more stout guys are harder for him to move.” Started 19 games at LT before declaring. “Smart, good family, great kid,” said another scout. “Needs more bulk but he has the frame to be a 320 guy without any problems.” Other teams saw his Wonderlic of 12, lowest among leading tackles, and double-backed on his ability to learn. “He’s late off the ball all the time,” said a third scout. “You worry about him a little bit mentally.”
4. CEDRIC OGBUEHI, Texas A&M (6-5½, 304, 4.95. 1-2): Part of coach Mike Sherman’s star-studded signing class of 2010 that included LT Luke Joeckel and LT Jake Matthews. “He’s got great feet,” one scout said. “He’s better than Luke Joeckel coming out. He’s soft, but he’ll probably go late first (round).” Started at RG in 2012, RT in ’13 and LT in ’14 before suffering a torn ACL in the Liberty Bowl. “He’s going to take a year, but he’s athletic as hell,” a second scout said. “He didn’t look good at left tackle this year but looked great at right tackle the year before and great at guard the year before that. He’s not Joeckel or Matthews. He doesn’t have the inner fiber those two have.” Longest arms (35 7/8 inches) at the position and a Wonderlic of 23. “His ACL was pretty common but he’s had back issues his whole career there,” a third scout said. “Just during games you’d see him stretching, and in practice he was always doing some maintenance on the back. There’s got to be some legitimate concerns about the back.” From Allen, Texas.
5. DONOVAN SMITH, Penn State (6-5½, 333, 5.10, 1-2): “I thought he was fat and messy and played lazy,” one scout said. “He has had issues like that. He’s got talent. It’s more where you think he is as far as want-to.” Redshirted in 2011 but, after obtaining his degree, opted against returning for his senior season. “He’s a giant human being that can kind of do whatever he wants,” another scout said. “He’s got good feet and bend for a big guy. Definitely can be a left tackle. He also can play with power. He was completely dominant at the Senior Bowl. But he’s selfish, is up and down in games and has weight and conditioning issues.” Three-year starter at LT. “He’s not a feisty, Wisconsin-type guy,” said a third scout. “The new staff there does not rave about him. Maybe he doesn’t have that killer instinct, but he’ll play.” From Owings Mills, Md. “I hope he goes in the second round because we wouldn’t take him until the mid-rounds,” a fourth scout said. “He’s got a little bit of a work ethic issue. He’s a little bit stiff on the edge. Might be able to move inside and be a little better player.”
6. T.J. CLEMMINGS, Pittsburgh (6-4½, 310, 5.14, 1-2): Spent first three seasons as a reserve DE before moving to offense in December 2012 and starting at RT the past two years. “He’s really powerful,” one scout said. “I’ve got no negatives at all. He’s got excellent strength, power, aggressiveness, tenacity. Good pass-block technician.” Long arms (35 1/8). So athletic that he had offers to play basketball at Seton Hall and Providence. Hurt himself with a poor week at the Senior Bowl. Failed one team’s physical because of a bad knee. Some scouts wonder about his ability to adjust quickly and master assignments. “Has the fire in him that you like,” said another scout. “Needs some technique work. Great kid. His learning is good enough. He’ll pick it up and work at it. But it’d be a mistake to think he could play left tackle.” From Teaneck, N.J., where he played only two years of football.
7. JAKE FISHER, Oregon (6-6, 307, 5.02, 2): Started at RT for two years before a teammate’s injury precipitated his shift to LT in 2014. Several scouts say he lacks strength against bull rushes. “He does need to get thicker but some of that is technique and Oregon is not a big weightlifting program,” one said. “He’s really a hard guy to (evaluate). You watch the workout and he’s really a good athlete, but he doesn’t play to it. Kid plays hard. Obviously, he’s got athletic ability.” Out of Traverse City, Mich. “I compared him to Matt Stinchcomb,” another scout said. “He had no base, either, but same type of athlete. He’s a pusher, a position blocker. He’s got no strength or power in his lower body.”
8. COREY ROBINSON, South Carolina (6-6 ½, 321, 5.30, 2-3): Compared by one scout to Chargers LT King Dunlap. “He’s a monster,” said one scout. “Some people like big. Buffalo goes big. He’s not a great foot athlete but I don’t know if you have to be when you’re a monster.” Compared by another scout to Bills RT Seantrel Henderson. “He didn’t play hard, and his technique’s crappy,” a fourth scout said. “You wonder about his intelligence but then he aced the Wonderlic (40). He’s just all over the place.” Moved from DT to LT, where he started three seasons. “I was there,” said a fifth scout. “They’re all glad he’s leaving… said he’s hard to coach, he’s lazy. But that (expletive) has talent. Somebody will take him late three (third round).” From Havelock, N.C.
9. TY SAMBRAILO, Colorado State (6-6, 311, 5.36, 3-4): His 42 starts included 34 at LT, five at LG, two at RT and one at RG. “(David) Bakhtiari was soft like Sambrailo, but the one thing Bakhtiari had that I underestimated was a little bit of nastiness and competitiveness,” one scout said. “I don’t think Sambrailo has that. That’s the constant learning process you go through in scouting. As long as you have that inner competitiveness, if you have athleticism to go with it, then you can be a finesse guy.” Outstanding competitive skier growing up in Watsonville, Calif. Failed to impress at the Senior Bowl. “I was disappointed in him there,” another scout said. “It’ll take a year to get any real production from him. He lacks some functional anchor strength.”
10. TYRUS THOMPSON, Oklahoma (6-5, 324, 5.37, 4): Finesse starter at LT for 2½ years. “He plays soft,” one scout said. “He has all the talent in the world but he scares the hell out of you. He’s a big good athlete. Just doesn’t finish blocks.” His arms measured long at the combine (34 7/8) but his workout was a dud. “He is not as athletic as I thought based on film,” another scout said. “Third round at best. Good size. Good kid.” Hails from Pasadena, Texas.
OTHERS: Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin; Chaz Green, Florida; Laurence Gibson, Virginia Tech; Andrew Donnal, Iowa; Trent Brown, Florida; Terry Poole, San Diego State; Jamon Brown, Louisville; Takoby Cofield, Duke; Sean Hickey, Syracuse; Austin Shepherd, Alabama.
GUARDS1. BRANDON SCHERFF, Iowa (6-4½, 319, 5.04, 1): Compared by one scout to perennial Pro Bowl guard Steve Hutchinson. “He’s better than anyone that’s come out of there (Iowa), and they’ve had a bunch of good guys,” one scout said. “I know everyone wants to make a guard out of him, but I’d have him disprove he can’t play tackle. He didn’t even play healthy this year. Had his knee scoped (torn cartilage) and the guy missed one practice. You watch the year before. I like (Bryan) Bulaga but I think this guy is better. I didn’t think Bulaga could play left tackle but I think this guy can.” Started 36 of 43 games (all but three at LT); his 2012 season was cut short by a serious ankle injury. “Alert, aggressive, finishes, athletic,” another scout said. “Anchor is just OK. He’ll be really good in a zone scheme because he has a really good feel for angles. When you line up with him you know what you’re going to get.” Multisport prep star from Denison, Iowa. “If you want a tackle he’s not your guy,” a third scout said. “Then you’re going to go with Peat. Scherff’s going to have edge limitations like Riley Reiff. He’s not an ideal foot athlete at tackle and he doesn’t always finish like you want.” Wonderlic of 22.
2. LA’EL COLLINS, Louisiana State (6-4½, 312, 5.14, 1): Started at LG as a sophomore before moving to LT in 2013-’14. “He’s a lot like Scherff,” said one scout. “Not unlike Bulaga. Little short-armed (33¼). Kind of like a Sam Baker kind of tackle with the Falcons but he could be a really good guard.” Described by another scout as a “mean” player. “He could be a Pro Bowl guard, but I also think he can play tackle,” a third scout said. “He’s a really good run blocker. He’s athletic. He’s nasty.” Tied with Humphries for the lowest score (12) on the Wonderlic among the top-25 offensive linemen. “I think he’s smart enough to play tackle,” a fourth scout said. “He’s a motivated guy and I think he’ll learn it.” From Baton Rouge, La. “He’s got good girth, he’s strong, he can bend his knees and he’s got play instincts,” a fifth scout said. “He doesn’t have ideal length to be a full-time left tackle. He only took a few reps at right tackle during Senior Bowl week and you could tell he’s never played the right side. It was awkward. But when you see him in a workout and roll it all together, he’s going to be a longtime starter at left guard or left tackle.”
3. LAKEN TOMLINSON, Duke (6-3½, 319, 5.26, 1-2): Four-year starter at RG. “If there’s a first-round guard in this draft and he’s not a conversion it’s Tomlinson,” one scout said. “He’s a plug-and-play, start-first-day right or left guard. He plays better than (Chance) Warmack. He’s big, athletic, he can pull, he can block at the point, he’s smart. He might be a great center, too, if you tried him there.” Born in Jamaica, moved to the U.S. at 10. “He wants to be a doctor,” said another scout. “Some people want to be sure he’s committed to football, which I think he is. The kid loves football. Has played a ton of football. High character. Has ambitions outside football.” Graduated from Chicago Lane Tech. “He looks better on the hoof than any subject in the draft other than Scherff,” a third scout said. “Great kid, smart (Wonderlic of 23). But how many Duke linemen have there been? You can’t name them. Plus, he gets over his toes. He’s top-heavy.”
4. TRE’ JACKSON, Florida State (6-3½, 322, 5.50, 2): Made 42 starts at RG. “He’s better than Tomlinson,” said one scout. “He gets better movement. He is a quiet leader with strength and power, but he lacks the length (32 5/8 arms). He will struggle mentally sorting out the process.” Named MVP of the South team at the Senior Bowl. “He was coached well by Rick Trickett, who is one of the best (O-line) coaches around,” said a second scout. “He was a very steady player. Not special. He’s a really good short setter in pass pro and he uses his hands well,” From Jesup, Calif. “If he was at another school he’d be a later-round guy,” a third scout said. “He wouldn’t be getting near the attention he does. He’s slow, and slow-footed. Then he’s not real long and he can’t handle the wide rush. The Rose Bowl game, he got destroyed.”
5. A.J. CANN, South Carolina (6-2½, 311, 5.48, 2-3): Made 51 starts at LG. “He has mass, toughs and he’s competitive,” one scout said. “He’s square and gets movement at the point. He’ll need a little work in pass pro. He’s a little bit shorter and a little bit slow-footed. He’s like Larry Warford or Chance Warmack, one of those guys. But the mental part will scare you a little bit.” Led guards in bench-press reps (30) and vertical jump (32½). Worked at center for scouts this spring and snapped adequately. “There’s nothing special about him,” a second scout said. “Not a great athlete, not an overly physical or powerful guy. Everything about him is solid.” From Bamberg, S.C.
6. JEREMIAH POUTASI, Utah (6-5, 338, 5.33, 2-3): Third-year junior made the somewhat surprising decision to leave the Utes a year early. Started at RT in 2012 and at LT the past two seasons. “We have him as a guard,” said one scout. “He’s a starting guard. He doesn’t move well enough to protect the edges (at tackle). If you like big sluggers in there, Baltimore type, he’s going to play.” Won’t turn 21 until August. “He’s more athletic than Flowers, but his workout was bad,” another scout said. “He has to be a right tackle or guard. He held up OK at left tackle against the good pass rushers of the Pac-10.” From Las Vegas.
7. DARYL WILLIAMS, Oklahoma (6-5, 326, 5.38, 3): Three-year starter at RT. “Big guys play,” said one scout. “He’s got some toughness to him. He’s not a good athlete. Strictly a right tackle. He could go third round because big bodies go. His value is fourth, fifth round.” Although his 35-inch arms are befitting a tackle, his feet and athleticism aren’t. “You like his intangibles,” another scout said. “He’s tough, he’s a good kid, he’ll do everything you want. Just not a very good athlete.” Out of Lake Dallas, Texas.
8. JARVIS HARRISON, Texas A&M (6-4, 328, 5.21, 3-4): Labeled a “knucklehead” by three scouts. “He played really well in 2013, but this year he just kind of did his own thing and it showed,” one scout said. “The trainer will tell the offensive linemen when they come into the locker room to cut the tape off their shoes and put it in a specific pile. Everybody follows that to the letter, but he’ll do something completely opposite. Not very highly regarded at the school. He’s smart enough to know to stay out of the police blotter type of thing. Just a pain in the (expletive).” Started 37 games over four seasons at LG and LT. “They benched him for like the first four games of (2014),” another scout said. “I could never get a straight answer there. Athletically, he certainly has the ability to go third round. He’s lazy.” “He short-sets these guys and gets his hands on them, they’re dead,” a third scout said. “On film, the guy was extremely impressive.” From Navasota, Texas.
9. JOHN MILLER, Louisville (6-2½, 307, 5.23, 4): Four-year starter at guard. “You like the way he plays,” one scout said. “He’s tough, but he’s 6-2 and 300. OK athlete. He’s got some quickness but he’s not a great player. He struggles in protection some. Gets beaten on the edges.” Improved from 7 to 14 on the Wonderlic but teams still wonder about his ability to react and adjust. “Learning is a little bit of a process,” a second scout said. “Pass pro is good enough. Oh, yeah, he’s a good player.” From Miami.
10. JAMIL DOUGLAS, Arizona State (6-4, 306, 5.21, 4-5): Viewed as a four-position backup. “Like him as a backup dual flexibility guy,” one scout. “Guard-tackle who may be a center.” Started at LG in 2012-’13 and at LT in ’14. “I think he’ll have to go to some type of zone team,” another scout said. “Project. He has really nice feet and movement but he does get pushed around.” From Cypress, Calif.
OTHERS: Jon Feliciano, Miami; Josue Matias, Florida State; Mark Glowinski, West Virginia; Arie Kouandjio, Alabama; Robert Myers, Tennessee State; Matt Rotheram, Pittsburgh; Bobby Hart, Florida State; Quinton Spain, West Virginia.
CENTERS1. CAMERON ERVING, Florida State (6-5½, 311, 5.12, 1-2): The Seminoles talked about moving him to center before the season but didn’t pull the trigger until five games remained. “That line didn’t block well until they moved him,” one scout said. “It cleaned up so much inside. He’s not a 320-pound mauling center but he gets after you. He’s such a good athlete and is extremely smart. Great kid. At center, his upside is huge.” Would become the NFL’s tallest center. “I think he’s too tall for center,” a second scout said. “He’s got stiff ankles and plays too small. He smothers college players, but if anyone works his edges he’s not great laterally. I don’t see it.” Made 20 tackles and a sack as a backup DT in 2011 before moving to LT and starting 37 games. “It (height) hasn’t been a problem,” a third scout said. “His arms (34 1/8) are so long, he just locks those guys out. He just gets on the nose (tackle). Guard may be his best position. He could start at three positions.” From Moultrie, Calif.
2. HRONISS GRASU, Oregon (6-3, 300, 5.03, 2-3): Four-year starter from Los Angeles. “He’s smart (Wonderlic of 28) and tough,” said one scout. “He’s athletic. He played in that spread attack so he can fit in a zone scheme. He’s not as heavy as you want him to be to deal with nose tackles all day but he has the athletic ability to compete in a zone offense.” Borderline arm length (32 1/8). “Like him,” another scout said. “He’s not as strong or as big… but if I’m just going center I’m going to go Grasu.” Excellent blocker at the LB level.
3. ALI MARPET, Hobart (N.Y.) (6-4, 304, 5.00, 3): Easily the best NCAA Division III prospect in the draft. “He found out what Division I football was like at the Senior Bowl,” one scout said. “Thing I liked about him, he was competitive. But I don’t know if he’s good enough to play.” Three-year starter at LT but often practiced at center in 2013-’14. Played LG and LT at Senior Bowl and might have been the best O-lineman there. “For a guy who had no technique and didn’t know what he was doing, he went and more than held his own,” said another scout. “I could see him in the third round, but it’s all a guess.” Scored 33 on the Wonderlic. Compared by one scout to C-G Joe Berger of the Vikings. “My immediate comparison was JC Tretter, and I think he’s better than JC,” a third scout said. “He blew up the combine. This kid has passed every test. He has a tremendous amount of upside.” From Hastings-on-Hudson, N.Y.
4. MITCH MORSE, Missouri (6-5½, 306, 5.16, 3): Of his 40 starts, 18 were at RT, 14 at LT and eight, in 2012, came at center. “Center is a perfect position,” one scout said. “He kind of grows on me. He’s not a naturally big guy so he’s going to get torqued a little bit. He’s got a degree of toughness about him that shows in his play.” Paced centers on the bench press (36 reps) and the vertical jump (31), and scored 29 on the Wonderlic. Short arms (32¼) almost force him inside. “He’s my sleeper,” another scout said. “This guy is one tough sucker. You talk about toughness and tenacity. You grade him and he just blocks his guy. Their left tackle last year (Justin Britt) went to Seattle and started, and there’s no comparison between the two. His feet are good enough.” From Austin, Texas.
5. B.J. FINNEY, Kansas State (6-3½, 315, 5.31, 5-6): Walk-on started school-record 52 games, including 51 at center. “He has some athletic limitations, but I like his wrestling background,” one scout said. “Just a tough, gritty player. Centers nowadays really don’t have to be special athletically.” First O-lineman at K-State to be a team captain three times. From Andale, Kan.
OTHERS: Andy Gallik, Boston College; Reese Dismukes, Auburn; Shaq Mason, Georgia Tech; Chris Jasperse, Marshall; Max Garcia, Florida; Greg Mancz, Toledo; Chad Hamilton, Coastal Carolina.
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Rating the NFL draft prospects: Quarterbacks
By Bob McGinn of the Journal Sentinel
April 23, 2015The Journal Sentinel’s Bob McGinn assesses the top quarterbacks in next week’s draft. Included is each player’s height, weight, 40-yard dash time and projected round.
1. MARCUS MARIOTA, Oregon (6-3 ½, 222, 4.45, 1): Captured 2014 Heisman Trophy with the second-largest margin of victory ever. “He has a strong arm,” one scout said. “He throws on the move as well as anybody I’ve seen. Mechanics are good. He threw three interceptions this year. Only negative is he carries the ball loose and he has fumbled. He’s got the athletic ability to be an all-time great.” Posted a 36-5 record and 121.3 passer rating (128.4 in ’14) on the NFL scale. “He’s like a better Colin Kaepernick,” another scout said. “This guy is smarter and farther along.” Fourth-year junior was lightly recruited out of Honolulu. Tied Brett Hundley for best vertical jump (36 inches) among QBs and had the best 20-yard shuttle (6.87). His 40 time wasn’t as good as Michael Vick’s 4.33 in 2001 or Robert Griffin III’s 4.36 in 2012, but it was easily the fastest at the position this year. “I would much rather have this guy than Winston,” a third scout said. “At least you’re going to get the best he has all the time.” Also rushed for 2,237 yards (6.6-yard average) and 29 touchdowns. “Ben (Roethlisberger) took everything in shotgun at Miami (Ohio), too,” a fourth scout said. “He doesn’t have Ben’s arm. I do like a lot of things he brings to the table. But that running thing in the NFL? The guy (Griffin III) who plays for the Redskins found out that doesn’t work.” Scored 33 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test.
2. JAMEIS WINSTON, Florida State (6-4, 231, 4.96, 1):Third-year sophomore won the Heisman Trophy in 2013 for the national champion Seminoles. “He’s an unbelievable competitor,” said one scout. “The football stuff, he embraces that. He’s not a great athlete, but he has great instincts, awareness and a knack in the pocket. He’s not going to dominate you just off pure physical ability. He will beat you with his mind, his patience. He sees things at a rate that a lot of good quarterbacks in the league take four, five years to see.” Engineered numerous fourth-quarter come-from-behind victories in posting a 26-1 record and passer rating of 107.9. Better in 2013 (125.8) than in ’14 (93.2), when his interception count swelled from 10 to 18. “I’ve seen too many interceptions,” another scout said. “He’s your drop-back guy, but he’s got that long release. It kind of reminds me of the guy who used to play for Marshall (Byron Leftwich).” Played right field for FSU in 2013 and served as the closer in ’14, using a mid-90s fastball to post a 1.94 earned run average in 60 career innings. “Jameis has gotten too big,” said a third scout. “In high school (Bessemer, Ala.) he was a quick-twitch athlete. Now he’s kind of sluggish.” Posted dismal workout numbers at the combine. “I had no idea he’d run that poorly,” a fourth scout said. “Quarterbacks without leg explosiveness have a terrible history. I don’t like his off-field and I don’t like the way he conducts himself on the field sometimes.” Wonderlic of 27.
3. BRYCE PETTY, Baylor (6-3, 229, 4.83, 2): Battling to surpass Robert Griffin as coach Art Briles’ best NFL QB. “He plays in a kid’s offense, like a Thanksgiving Day game offense,” one scout said. “He’s going to have to be retooled. He’s got size, feet, quickness of release, a strong arm. How long will it take to reshape him?” Never called a play for the Bears in Briles’ high-octane, simplistic, shotgun attack. “I remember Art saying he’s a better passer than Griffin and a similar athlete but not as fast,” a second scout said. “If you’re an athlete, don’t you think you can get under center? Problem is, everybody wants instant success today.” Two-year starter from Midlothian, Texas. Played with a bad back most of 2014. Passer rating was 114.3. “He’s Christian Ponder-like with a better arm,” a third scout said. “Somebody’s trying to create something there. I’m not going to rule out that he won’t start some games. But then people will realize he has some deficiencies.” Wonderlic of 31. Said a fourth scout: “He’s accurate deep ā at times. In a quarterback-friendly system he’s not very accurate (62.7%).”
4. BRETT HUNDLEY, UCLA (6-3, 227, 4.63, 2): Fourth-year junior with 40 starts. “He has the physical tools,” one scout said. “Got a strong arm. Yes, he’ll be a starter at some point. It’s not a refined talent. Probably not unlike a Blake Bortles. He can be developed.” Biggest knock is accuracy. “He’s a running back playing quarterback, OK?” another scout said. Surpassed 100 passer rating all three seasons for resurgent Bruins, finishing at 103.7. Added 1,747 rushing yards and 30 TDs. According to one scout, his pro-day workout was the best of the leading QBs. “I wonder about how coachable this guy is,” another scout said. “There’s a lot of ability there.” Wonderlic of 26. From Chandler, Ariz.
5. GARRETT GRAYSON, Colorado State (6-2 ½, 214, 4.75, 3-4): Started 35 games during an injury-riddled four-year career. “Good processor of the game,” one scout said. “Got a pretty quick mind. Average physical characteristics. At best he becomes a guy like Jon Kitna or (Ryan) Fitzpatrick. That’s not a negative. I see him better than Matt Flynn.” Broke his collarbone three times. Passer rating of 97.1. “Pocket guy,” another scout said. “Little better athlete than you think. He can at least escape the rush and get the ball off under duress.” Wonderlic of 20. From Vancouver, Wash. “He’s average, at best,” said a third scout. “Career backup probably.”
6. SEAN MANNION, Oregon State (6-5 ½, 226, 5.10, 4-5): Started 43 of 47 games, rewriting the Beavers’ record book in a prostyle offense. His 13,600 passing yards rank eighth in Division I annals. “He spins a really good deep ball,” one scout said. “He’s very accurate and incredibly smart (Wonderlic of 40). People will knock him because of his 40 time, but he’s got good enough feet to move around and slide in the pocket. I just like his presence.” Coach’s son from Pleasanton, Calif. Beavers were just 5-7 in 2014. Passer rating is 89.5. “Long, slow delivery,” another scout said. “He reminds me of Derek Anderson, who came out of Oregon State 10 years ago. He’s everybody’s backup. This kid is so smart, he’s playing to every bit of his ability.”
7. CODY FAJARDO, Nevada (6-1 ½, 223, 4.58, 6-7): Four-year starter with passer rating of 91.3. Rushed for a whopping 3,482 yards (5.5) and 44 TDs in a pistol offense. “He took over for Kaepernick,” one scout said. “He’s a better pure passer than Kaepernick but not as big or strong. Really a nice athlete. But he’s short and hot and cold.” Wonderlic of 31. “Not really an established or consistent passer,” another scout said. “Somebody that you could develop because of the athletic traits.” From Brea, Calif.
8. CONNOR HALLIDAY, Washington State (6-3, 196, 4.9, 7-FA):Started for 2½ seasons and had an 88.2 passer rating. “He’s got a talented arm,” one scout said. “Plays in a wide-open system. He’s smart enough (Wonderlic of 22). He’ll need a little bit of work on his footwork, but he’s got enough to take a shot on.” Suffered a broken ankle Nov. 1 and still can’t work for scouts. “He finds the open guy well at times but then he throws into coverage too often,” another scout said. “Nobody there was sorry to see him go. I can’t find anybody there that liked this guy.” Out of Spokane, Wash.
9. SHANE CARDEN, East Carolina (6-2, 218, 4.92, 7-FA): Three-year starter with a passer rating of 99.5. Same size as Brett Favre and bears facial resemblance. “He reminds me of Favre,” one scout said. “He’s got some swagger. Really good leadership ability. His physical skill is OK. Some quarterback coach is going to love him because of what’s in his heart and between his ears (Wonderlic of 25).” From Houston. “I like his mind,” said another scout. “Physically, I don’t think he’s going to have the arm.”
10. ANTHONY BOONE, Duke (6-0, 218, 4.95, 7-FA): Made one start behind Sean Renfree in 2012 before becoming a two-year starter. “He’s won a lot of games,” one scout said. “He’s short. Just an average passer. He’s a camp quarterback that doesn’t really have enough up side.” Posted a passer rating of 79.9. Wonderlic of 20. From Weddington, N.C.
OTHERS: Brandon Bridge, South Alabama; Bryan Bennett, Southeastern Louisiana; Taylor Heinicke, Old Dominion; Jerry Lovelocke, Prairie View A&M; Blake Sims, Alabama.
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Rating the NFL draft prospects: Wide receivers and tight ends
By Bob McGinn of the Journal Sentinel
April 22, 2015The Journal Sentinel’s Bob McGinn assesses the top wide receivers and tight ends in the draft next week. Included is each player’s height, weight, 40-yard dash and projected round.
WIDE RECEIVERS1. AMARI COOPER, Alabama (6-1, 210, 4.35, 1): Third-year junior. “Reggie Wayne has always been under the radar as being a great receiver,” one scout said. “That’s Cooper. Makes plays. Get open. Difficult to bring down. Not because he’s strong, but because he has a knack and can make a subtle move.” Three-year starter with 228 catches for 3,463 yards (15.2-yard average) and 31 touchdowns. “I think he’s better than Torry Holt, Roddy White,” another scout said. “Very smooth and very polished.” Not as flamboyant as Sammy Watkins from a year ago but more consistent. “He plays tough,” a third scout said. “He’s just not I guess the modern prototype now because of the size.” Played at Miami Northwestern High with Teddy Bridgewater. Scored 21 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test. Finished third in the Heisman Trophy voting after breaking the Southeastern Conference record for single-season receptions with 124 in 2014.
2. KEVIN WHITE, West Virginia (6-2½, 214, 4.30, 1): “There’s not one thing wrong with Kevin White,” said one scout. After two junior-college seasons, he had a tame 35-reception campaign in 2013 before exploding in ’14 with 109 for 1,447 (13.3) and 10 TDs. “Last year they couldn’t cover Mike Evans,” another scout said. “This guy falls into that category. Fun player to watch. I’d love to know how many penalties he drew.” Loves talking trash, physical and strong (tied for the WR lead in the bench press with 23 reps). Compared by various scouts to Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones. Stunned scouts with a blazing 40 at the combine. “He wasn’t really on the map at the beginning of the year,” a third scout said. “He’s skyrocketed. He’s not in the league of a Calvin Johnson or a Larry Fitzgerald. Not as nifty as Amari Cooper. But he’s going to be a good starter.” From Plainfield, N.J.
3. DeVANTE PARKER, Louisville (6-2½, 211, 4.42, 1): Recruited by Kentucky to play basketball out of Louisville Ballard High. “He probably could have played there,” said one scout. “Smooth, athletic, adjusts on the deep ball well. But he got nicked up.” Suffered a broken foot in late August and missed seven games. “He’s been hurt a lot and hasn’t had as much production as these other guys,” another scout said. “He’s big and really good after the catch. He’s a very quiet type of kid so I think people have some concern for his mental, which is a big thing for wideouts.” Wonderlic of 15. Finished with 156 catches for 2,775 (17.8) and 33 TDs. “A little soft,” said a third scout. Added a fourth: “Thing that worries me, first play of the Florida State game he catches an up and he turned to look to see where the DBs are and gets caught. Well, the fast guys don’t look. They just catch the ball and run.”
4. NELSON AGHOLOR, Southern California (6-0, 196, 4.40, 1-2): Third-year junior. “He’s kind of like Jeremy Maclin,” one scout said. “He can play both (outside and slot). His best things are versatility and route running. You wish he was bigger, but besides that he’s pretty solid.” Nigerian; moved to the U.S at 5. “Very similar to Marquise Lee,” a second scout said. “Slender build. Good speed, not special speed.” Started for two years, finished with 178 catches for 2,572 (14.4) and 20 TDs. “(Randall) Cobb might be a little bit stronger, but it’s the same quickness,” a third scout said. “He makes people miss. Just skinny.” Said a fourth scout: “He’s OK. Gets pushed around.”
5. BRESHAD PERRIMAN, Central Florida (6-2, 212, 4.27, 1-2): His father, Brett, caught 525 passes in a 10-year career spent mostly with Detroit. He was 5-9, 180. “Totally different from his dad,” one scout said. “His dad was really quick. This guy is bigger. You don’t see the speed he ran. This guy doesn’t run routes. He has a rough time against press because he’s not quick and he’s tight. I see a straight-line speed guy.” Third-year junior with 115 catches for 2,243 (19.5) and 16 TDs. “He plays fast, he plays big and I like him,” a third scout said. “It’s a little surprising given the dad that he’s not a better route runner.” Two-year starter from Lithonia, Ga. “Hands were very iffy this year,” said a fourth scout. “He has a big up side but obviously a lower floor because he has inconsistencies catching. He really just hasn’t put it all together yet.”
6. JAELEN STRONG, Arizona State (6-2½, 218, 4.43, 1-2): Fourth-year junior spent two years in junior college before arriving in Tempe. “Reminds me of Larry Fitzgerald except he’s faster,” said one scout. “People can’t cover him on the back shoulders and fades because he has amazing talent to leap like Fitzgerald had. He’s excellent ball tracking, hands, jumping, in traffic. Became a star playing with a very average quarterback. I thought he’d run 4.55. It shocked me.” Scored the highest on the Wonderlic (22) of the top 12 WRs. “A big, physical, jump-ball type receiver,” another scout said. “He can outsize defensive backs and is good with the ball in his hand. Limited as a route runner.” Played late in the season with a wrist injury that has led one team to reject him medically. Finished with 157 catches for 2,287 (14.6) and 17 TDs. “If you watch him play, he looks more like a possession guy,” a third scout said. “I don’t see the great fanfare in his play. He’s adequate. I don’t think he’s sensational.” From Philadelphia.
7. DORIAL GREEN-BECKHAM, Oklahoma (6-5, 236, 4.46, 1-2): Third-year junior kicked out of Missouri after two seasons before spending a practice-only year under Sooners coach Bob Stoops. “He’s not the freak athlete like Calvin Johnson,” one scout said. “He’s longer than Demaryius Thomas. Huge threat in the red zone. Oklahoma had to hold him out of some drills because he was just dominating practices. He was (abusing) their starters, It wasn’t even close.” Caught 28 passes as a pure freshman in 2012, then ran No. 2 behind NFL free agent L’Damian Washington in ’13. Finished with 87 receptions for 1,278 (14.7) and 17 TDs. “He’s so big and so fast,” another scout said. “There’s just a lot of unknowns with him. He’s a train wreck.” Small hands (9). Poorest vertical jump (33½) of top 25 WRs. Multiple character issues vex teams. “He’s as talented as anybody in the group but I wouldn’t draft him,” a third scout said. “The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. He could become Josh Gordon. He’s going to be a hit immediately for whoever drafts him and then he’s going to be a problem.” Wonderlic of 20.
8. DEVIN FUNCHESS, Michigan (6-4, 232, 4.54, 1-2):Compared by scouts to Marques Colston and Jared Cook. Third-year junior spent first two seasons at TE before shifting to WR last year. “He certainly can do the tight end stuff but he doesn’t want to block,” one scout said. “Antonio Gates is like his (relative) and they had a big discussion about where you get paid more. He doesn’t play as big as he should all the time and he’s not great about catching balls in the middle.” Finished with 126 receptions for 1,715 (13.6) and 15 TDs working with erratic QB Devin Gardner. “(Gardner) was awful,” said another scout. “After you got rung up over the middle every damn game everybody would be a little timid. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Funchess.” Played three games near midseason with a broken thumb. “Michigan hasn’t had any success with receivers,” a third scout said. “He’s got inconsistent hands but he can make catches. I wouldn’t take him first (round) but I’d take him early two.” Out of Farmington Hills, Mich.
9. PHILLIP DORSETT, Miami (5-9½, 184, 4.28, 1-2):Three-year starter. “He can play outside because he’ll be the fastest guy in the NFL,” one scout said. “There’s nobody that fast. Better version of John Brown, who was a hell of a rookie for the Cardinals.” He’s just a bullet.” Tremendous deep speed. “He may be a gadget guy but, boy, he gets on the DB’s toes quickly,” another scout said. “I mean, he is explosive.” Finished with 108 catches for 1,860 (17.2) and 15 TDs. “Can play inside or outside,” a third scout said. “He might not be a team’s No. 1 ever but he’s going to scare people because he can go.” From Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
10. DEVIN SMITH, Ohio State (6-0½, 199, 4.39, 2): Three-year starter. “A really good stretch-the-field vertical type,” one scout said. “Probably not as fast as Mike Wallace. Hands are average, route-running average.” Averaged an astounding 28.2 on 33 catches (12 TDs) for national champions in 2014 but didn’t play a whole lot. “You can throw him in there and he’ll run by people,” another scout said. “But he’s not going to be an every-down No. 1 or No. 2 type receiver. He’ll be a great gunner but a back-end (of the roster) receiver.” Finished with 121 catches for 2,503 (20.7) and 30 TDs. “He needs some work, but if nothing else he’ll come in and take the top off the coverage and be great on (special) teams,” a third scout said. “He’ll open up the field for you.” Hails from Massillon, Ohio.
11. TYLER LOCKETT, Kansas State (5-10, 181, 4.35, 2): Compared by one scout to Dexter McCluster. “Love him,” one scout said. “Extremely quick. Great bloodlines. He’s not small by any means. Blazing speed, quick, good route runner. Strong hands. Abysmal quarterback play. The fact he got the production he did when opponents knew he was their primary threat was impressive to me.” Both his father, Kevin, and uncle, Aaron, were top WRs at K-State. Started for 3½ years, finishing with 249 catches for 3,710 (14.9) and 29 TDs. “If he was 6-feet he might be the best receiver,” another scout said. “It was a nothing team but this guy just made play after play after play.” From Tulsa, Okla.
12. SAMMIE COATES, Auburn (6-1½, 212, 4.40, 2-3): Fourth-year junior with degree in public administration. “He is a great kid,” one scout said. “He has worked so hard. He is such a positive personality that I think he might overcome the inconsistent catching. It’ll kill him to drop a ball. He’ll work at it.” Strong (23 reps on the bench), athletic (41-inch vertical jump) and very fast. Wonderlic of 14. “He’s stiff, like the guy the Raiders drafted from Maryland (Darrius Heyward-Bey),” said another scout. “Couldn’t get out of breaks. Coates falls in that category.” Burned Alabama for 206 yards in five receptions. Finished with 82 catches for 1,757 (21.4) and 13 TDs. His problematic knees concern some teams. “A JC kid (D’Haquille Williams) came in this year and was their top receiver over him,” a third scout said. “But he runs by people in the best conference.” From Leroy, Ala.
13. RASHAD GREENE, Florida State (5-11½, 180, 4.49, 2-3): Led leading receivers with 24 on the Wonderlic. “Smart, smooth, exceptional route runner, very good hands,” one scout said. “He’s like Robert Brooks.” Rewrote the Seminoles’ record book, finishing with 270 catches for 3,830 (14.2) and 29 TDs. “One of our scouts said he’ll get picked behind a bunch of receivers but he might wind up having a better career or numbers than a lot who are picked ahead of him because he’s so steady,” said another scout. From Albany, Ga. “There’s nothing special about the kid,” said a third scout. “He’s a pretty good football player but he’s 180 and you don’t see any real speed or quickness.”
14. JUSTIN HARDY, East Carolina (5-10, 192, 4.56, 3):Former walk-on brings a try-harder approach. “I’ll tell you what,” one scout said. “If you want a possession guy that can play in the slot, he’s got the best hands of anybody in the draft. He’s like that kid from LSU last year (Jarvis Landry). Not as big, though.” Set the FBS record with 370 receptions, good for 4,451 (11.7) and 35 TDs. “Plays a lot bigger than he is,” another scout said. “Strong, physical, has really big hands (10). Knows how to use every element of ability that he has. He had a giant bull’s-eye on his back every time he played and he still made plays.” From Vanceboro, N.C.
OTHERS: Stefon Diggs, Maryland; Chris Conley, Georgia; Ty Montgomery, Stanford; Antwan Goodley, Baylor; Jamison Crowder, Duke; Tre McBride, William & Mary; Dres Anderson, Utah; Vince Mayle, Washington State; Darren Waller, Georgia Tech; DeAndre Smelter, Georgia Tech; Mario Alford, West Virginia.
TIGHT ENDS1. MAXX WILLIAMS, Minnesota (6-4, 249, 4.84, 1-2): Third-year sophomore saw opportunity amid a woeful collection of tight ends and forfeited his final two seasons. “The confidence and the cockiness comes out because his dad’s been through the process as a first-round draft choice,” one scout said. “I’m sure they looked at it and said, ‘Look, Maxx, this is the year to come out. You’re the best one. Take a chance.'” Two-year stats were 61 catches for 986 (16.2) and 13 TDs. “He’s easily the No. 1 guy,” a second scout said. “He doesn’t look sleek but I guarantee he can catch it, and he’ll give you enough as a blocker, which sometimes you don’t get from those sleek guys.” Father, Brian, was the Giants’ starting center for a decade. “He’s one of those guys that jumps over people and stiff-arms,” another scout said. “Real good hands. This guy will block, too.” Wonderlic of 29. Hails from Waconia, Minn. “He’s not a first-rounder,” a third scout said. “He doesn’t block. He’s got really nice hands. He’s got average speed. He’s 4.8.”
2. CLIVE WALFORD, Miami (6-4, 250, 4.75, 2-3): Played just one year of high-school football in Belle Glade, Fla. “He can block,” one scout said. “He can get open. He can beat a DB one-on-one.” Labeled as “probably the most complete tight end in the draft” by another scout. Improved each year, finishing with 87 catches for 1,299 (14.9) and 12 TDs. “He’s a bigger guy who can actually run and catch and block,” a third scout said. “The big game for him to watch is Florida State. Big hands (10¼), long arms (34), degree of toughness.”
3. TYLER KROFT, Rutgers (6-5½, 247, 4.74, 3-4):Fourth-year junior. “He’s a frat boy when you meet him,” said one scout. “He’s a very well-spoken, polished, a tad naĆÆve. Very smart (Wonderlic of 32). He catches the ball. Really soft hands. And he’s a get-in-the-way blocker.” Two-year starter with 70 receptions for 901 (12.9) and five TDs. “Just a guy,” said another scout. “He ain’t got nothing,” said another scout. “There are no tight ends. There’s just bodies.” From Downington, Pa. “He’s light…in the (expletive) but he’ll fight you on the line of scrimmage,” a third scout said. “He’s not a field stretcher. Been a little immature.”
4. JEFF HEUERMAN, Ohio State (6-5, 253, 4.81, 3-4): Two scouts said Heuerman was only marginally better than ex-Packer Jake Stoneburner, his TE predecessor in Columbus. Played most of 2014 on a bad foot. “You didn’t get to see all he was,” one scout said. “He’s got some strength in his upper body and he ended up being pretty productive as a blocker. Not a great athlete running routes. But you watch him work out and he can catch and adjust on the ball.” Finished with 52 catches for 792 (15.2) and seven TDs. “Maybe by a little bit he’s better than Stoneburner,” one scout said. “He blocks a little bit. He’s got some receiving ability. He does it all OK.” Played high-level junior hockey growing up in Naples, Fla.
5. RANDALL TELFER, Southern California (6-3½, 250, 4.75, 4-5): Started for 3½ years as an old-fashioned style TE. “He’s the best blocker of any of them,” one scout said. “I like him because it’s hard to find tough, blocking guys.” Still nursing a Lisfranc foot injury and scouts won’t see him run a 40 before the draft. Finished with 65 catches for 648 (10.0) and 12 TDs. “Good player,” another scout said. “He catches the ball. Adequate athlete.” Out of Rancho Cucamonga, Calif.
6. BLAKE BELL, Oklahoma (6-6, 252, 4.79, 5): Started eight of the 31 games that he played at QB from 2011-’13, rushing for 24 TDs as the “Belldozer” and compiling an NFL passer rating of 86.5. Reluctantly accepted move to TE in ’14 and started eight of 12 games, catching 16 passes for 214 (13.4) and four TDs. “By the time the season was over you could see he was a guy with up side blocking,” said one scout. “His deficiencies (early) weren’t from want-to. It was positioning and leverage and hand placement.” Father, Mark, played six NFL seasons as a DE. His uncle, Mike, was a standout DE from 1979-’91. “He’s got an up side,” another scout said. “Really a big guy, and I think he’ll grow into the position.” From Wichita, Kan.
OTHERS: Busta Anderson, South Carolina; Nick O’Leary, Florida State; Jesse James, Penn State; A.J. Derby, Arkansas; Nick Boyle, Delaware; James O’Shaughnessy, Illinois State; Ben Koyack, Notre Dame; Wes Saxton, South Alabama; Gerald Christian, Louisville; Geoff Swaim, Texas.
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Building blocks
by Ross Tucker
Posted: Fri Apr. 4, 2008Browns fans ridiculed my thought process. Wall Street financial analysts suggested I incorporate the Monte Carlo method. Multiple NFL scouts want to discuss the quantitative analysis of NFL players with me.
Last week’s article struck quite a chord with many readers. My thesis was simply that I do not believe the exorbitant amount given to a left guard like Alan Faneca is worth it in regards to the impact his performance will have on the win/loss column.
If a team is going to pay a huge premium for the increase in performance that a good player delivers over an average one, that player should play a position that has a greater opportunity to significantly impact the outcome of a game. In order to clarify my beliefs regarding the salary structure among offensive linemen, I decided to list in order the positions among the front five that I feel are most worthy of receiving big money. Having played all five positions at different points in my career, and starting at least four games at all three interior spots, I am uniquely qualified to assess the difficulties associated with playing these positions. Just to be safe and unbiased, however, I solicited the opinions of several other linemen around the league.
Picking the left tackle at the top of this list was not as easy as one might think. Most teams in the NFL often slide their protection to the quarterback’s blind side, which is almost always the left. The center is able to provide inside help for the left guard and the left guard is able to protect the left tackle’s inside as the three work in concert to block the two defensive linemen while eyeing their other responsibility, the weak-side linebacker. That often leaves the right guard and right tackle one-on-one. For this reason, I briefly considered putting the right tackle at the top of this list.
Ultimately, however, the left tackle still has to block the elite pass rushers around the NFL play after play, week in and week out. If the left tackle makes a mistake, it can result in not only a sack but also quite often a fumble as the defensive end strips the quarterback from behind. Turnovers always play a big part in determining the outcome of a game, increasing the importance of the blind-side protector.
Certain offensive lineman, like Chris Samuels of the Redskins, can provide enormous additional value by rarely receiving any help from his interior linemates. This allows them to solidify the interior of the offensive line. The Redskins’ confidence in leaving Samuels on an island without typically receiving any help whatsoever is a luxury many teams cannot afford.
The consensus among the linemen with whom I spoke reinforced my belief in the importance of right tackles. The position, in most offenses, receives less aid from fellow linemen than the left tackle. This is somewhat balanced, however, by the reality that right tackles are more likely to have the tight end on their side of the formation, which can create an additional obstacle for a defensive lineman to consider.
Though right tackles go up against top-flight rushers like the Seahawks’ Patrick Kerney and the Packers’ Aaron Kampman, there is not the same consistency in terms of quality of opponent as there is for the left tackle. Right tackles also are more likely to receive help from a running back in the form of a “chip.” Finally, the likelihood that their mistake will cause a game-altering turnover is somewhat lessened since the rusher is usually in the quarterback’s line of sight.
Without question the most difficult of the interior line positions, right guards are most likely to be left one-on-one with an elite inside rusher. The predominance of teams to slide their center to the left to protect the quarterback’s blind side creates a greater value for the right guard position. Fourteen-year veteran Todd Steussie, currently available on the free agent market, says, “Right guard is definitely harder than left guard.” Recently-retired lineman Todd Fordham, a 10-year NFL vet, agreed: “The left guard always has help.”
Though the difference in value between the two guard spots is lessened somewhat in an offense that rarely slides the pass protections like the Colts, the strength of the formation often dictates that the right guard has the wider alignment, and thus more difficult assignment, on his side.
Because the left guard position is generally less difficult than the right guard position, I have been consistently perplexed the last couple of seasons by the amount of money teams are investing in the position.
Steve Hutchinson, Kris Dielman, Eric Steinbach, Derrick Dockery and Faneca lead the parade of left guards that have received contracts in excess of $40 million. Though I am not sure either guard position is worth that much of the salary cap, I would be much more willing to pay those dollars to a right guard given the greater difficulty in his assignment. I think the Browns got a relative steal by signing right guard Rex Hadnot to a two-year, $7 million deal this offseason.
The greatest reason why left guards are cashing in these days? There are two: 1) The grading system for offensive linemen; and 2) General lack of understanding among some NFL personnel people concerning the difficulty inherent with the different positions.
All of these players are considered upper echelon and likely grade out among the highest linemen on their respective teams. Part of that is because they are good players, but a lot of it has to do with the fact they are much more likely to receive help from the center and thus less likely to create a negative play. The formula is simple: Less one-on-ones against defensive linemen means less chances to give up a sack or pressure. Their consistently high performance given the lower risk at the position tricks many personnel people to assume they are worthy of that money. I disagree. I believe they are all outstanding players but think they would have a tougher time if they played right guard.
There is a reason why most of the interior guys getting paid the big money are left guards and not right guards and the sooner teams can figure it out, the sooner they can begin to allocate more of their money to a position that creates a greater value proposition.
Centers are paid more for their intelligence and experience than they are for the difficulty associated with their physical assignment. Though some athletic centers can create additional value with their ability to pull or effectively block at the second level, the greatest reason centers get paid well is the fear among coaches that their pivot man not be able to readjust the blocking scheme depending on a certain blitz look or audible. Make no mistake about it: A center that cannot make the right decisions at critical junctures could have a huge impact on the outcome of a game.
That being said, it was unanimous among the four offensive lineman that I polled that center was the easiest position, at least physically, along the line. The center is rarely in a one-on-one pass blocking situation, which as we have noted, is the most likely situation in which an offensive linemen could have a large impact on the outcome of a game.
Centers are often the ones providing the help in pass protection so it is surprising to me that teams like the Buccaneers value the position highly enough to reward a player like Jeff Faine with a contract that guarantees him $15 million. Most centers go through an entire season without giving up any sacks and are rarely credited with even being responsible for a pressure.
Though every team wants to have a highly-regarded player at every position, the economics of the game do not allow that to be the case. That is why the money invested in the offensive line should be given first to the tackles and then to the right guard, since those are the positions that could potentially make the greatest difference between a win and a loss.
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AgamemnonParticipantCFF Overview: OT ā Buyer Beware
Michael Renner | April 24, 2015
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/04/24/cff-overview-ot-buyer-beware/
CFF-overview-OT-bewareThere is no perfect player coming out in the draft. Everyone has weaknesses that need to be addressed in the NFL. With data from every single play from every single college game we have the unique ability say how often those shortcomings actually affected a playerās performance. The following playersā issues caused them to grade well outside the elite tackles in one area or another and that is why we are wary of projecting them so highly to the next level.
Brandon Scherff, IowaAfter grading all of Scherffās plays in 2014 and then reviewing those positives and negatives, we just couldnāt see Scherff as a tackle in the NFL. His problems on the edge in pass protection donāt look fixable and heāll likely never be better than average in that respect. Thatās not to say he canāt be a successful player at guard, he has more tools than any other interior offensive linemen in the draft, we just havenāt seen him play there yet. Investing a high pick in a non-premium position for a guy who hasnāt played there in years seems like far too risky a proposition.
Signature Stat: Allowed seven pressures in the Maryland game alone and 24 on the season.
T.J. Clemmings, PittsburghCFF-profiles-inset-clemmingsAll you need to do is watch the Senior Bowl to understand why Clemmings makes this list. In Mobile he gave up five pressures in 28 pass blocking snaps playing left and right tackle. Even with his 35 1/8ā arms he almost never got first contact and looked like heād never had to deliver a punch in pass protection before. Basically, his pass set is broken and heāll need an overhaul in that area by whatever team drafts him.
The intriguing thing about Clemmings is that for how poor his pass blocking form was, his work in the run game was the exact opposite. Explosive and fluid in space, Clemmings showed the ability to execute any run block asked of him in Pittsburghās varied attack. I could see Clemmings being a guy who starts off as a guard to protect him in pass pro and makes his way out to tackle after he gets more technically sound.
Signature Stat: Was beaten in pass pro four separate times against Virginia. Not by Max Valles or Eli Harold, but by Mike Moore.
Jake Fisher, OregonCFF-profiles-inset-fisherTackle is one position where āwinningā the combine is nearly meaningless. Losing the combine can be a red flag, but all running a fast 40 and having solid drill numbers says is that youāre likely athletic enough for a zone scheme. Fisherās great numbers in Indy werenāt a fluke.
He is quick on the go and has a natural feel for working off double teams to the second level, but the Oregon tackle often plays too high when moving and wasnāt even as good as the two tackles above at engaging linebackers consistently. Strength in the run game is a serious issue for Fisher as he was not a people mover by any means. He drives through with his chest instead of locking out his arms and can get shed far too easily.
Like Clemmings and Scherff, Fisher also has technical issues in pass protection. He keeps his hands low and his punch too wide causing a myriad of problems for him. Despite his athleticism he opens the gate far too easily and allows defenders to bend the edge on him. 60% of Fisherās pressures yielded came to his outside. This is extremely concerning considering Fisher pass blocked for just nine seven-step drops (or five-step from shot gun) all season long. Fisher is definitely another guy who could benefit from kicking inside to guard early on in his career.
Signature Stat: Fisher was only graded positively on 10.8% of his run blocks; that figure coming in 107th out of 241 tackles in the NCAA last year.
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CFF Player Profile: Laāel Collins, OT
Khaled Elsayed | April 21, 2015The quiet man.
During the season it didnāt feel like our analysts were talking much about Laāel Collins. In a lot of respects that must have been the dream scenario for LSU because Collins was so rarely beat in critical junctions (the passing game) that you had to double check he was on the field.
Yet he was and for 334 snaps he was asked to pass protect and would give up just four hurries the entire year (with an additional one in the Senior Bowl). Quite the return, and while his pass blocking snaps were lower than his rivals to be the top lineman taken (LSU had about 1.6 times as many running plays as passing plays) he certainly put himself in the frame to go early.
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Run GameWhen you first watch Collins in the run game you get a bit annoyed by him. Upfield penetrators playing one gap can leaving him flapping his arms about as he heads knees first for the turf, with a tendency to lean exploited. At the second level he doesnāt always look interested or showcase great targeting skills. While Andrus Peat has no problem identifying targets and lots of problems engaging them, Collins is the exact opposite. He struggles to find a guy (blocking nobody far too often) but when he does itās a joy to behold.
And thatās when you start realizing the good he does in the run game. He demonstrates good leg drive while working down the line and doesnāt settle for just setting the edge, but rather widening the B-gap on his inside shoulder. He also demonstrates the kind of first-step quickness that he can get across a defensive linemanās face and seal once he gets there. When he gets the advantage off the snap he is bound to win and itās no surprise that 16.2% of his run blocks ended with a positive grade (fifth-highest of all draft-eligible tackles). Thatās largely down to how good his hands can be in the run game, with an ability to latch on to defenders and eliminate them from the play.
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Pass ProCFF-profiles-inset-laelcollinsThe numbers with Collins really do tell a story of a tremendously reliable pass protector. For much of the year it was a snooze watching him with him pitching shut outs in 11 games. Thatās an eye-catching number that saw him shoot to the top of our Pass Blocking Efficiency rankings.
There are some things to remember. He wasnāt put in as many deep drops as other tackles (he pass blocked on 73 seven-step drops compared to Andrus Peat and Brandon Scherff both going over 125) and he did avoid some of the more explosive rushers as well. It leaves him a little untested against true speed, but Collins did display good feet, getting good depth and width on his kick step that allowed him to mirror rushes and counter any inside moves.
If thereās one area he did struggle with (and one that Trey Flowers exploited) it was with his blocking of a speed to power move, where he showed he might need to improve his strength if heās going to anchor against the behemoths of the NFL. But all things considered he was the most impressive pass blocker of the class and the numbers show that up.
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Collins looks the safest pick of any offensive tackle in this draft and by a decent margin. He can get better against the run ā and might need to add some strength to deal with the power of NFL pass rushers ā but he looks like a pretty polished prospect who should slide in from Day 1 and represent an upgrade on an average tackle with the capacity to be so much more. Recent years havenāt seen many tackles take the league by storm, but Collins is the best bet in the 2015 draft class to do so.
April 25, 2015 at 4:09 pm in reply to: OL in the draft: Rams like Flowers? … Smith, Fisher, etc. #23142
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Michael Renner | April 23, 2015
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/04/23/cff-overview-ot-top-of-the-crop/
CFF-overview-OTWith all the talent at the tackle position this year it was quite the contest to make our top four. For one to make this list they had to show a proficiency in both run and pass blocking with flaws that we deemed either correctable or mild.Tackle is the most highly coveted position on the offensive line and weāll see that play out come draft day. All of the following players, and even some others we didnāt put at the top of the class, have the potential to be first round selections.
Laāel Collins, LSUOur own Khaled Elsayed gave a full breakdown of Collinsā skillset earlier this week, but what specifically makes him the top of the crop? With offensive line itās not necessarily about the most pros, but the fewest cons and there just arenāt many knocks against the LSU left tackle. The biggest issue was how he dealt with speed to power as he can sometimes be low and late with his hands in pass protection, but even that showed up infrequently. Strong hands, smooth hips, and quick feet, thereās not much to dislike about Laāel Collins game.
Signature Stat: Led the SEC in run blocking grade and Pass Blocking Efficiency (98.6).
Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&MCFF-inset-ogbuehiIf you were putting together the ideal frame and movement skills for a left tackle in the NFL it might look a lot like Cedric Ogbuehi. 6-foot-5, 306 pounds with freaky 35 7/8ā arms, Ogbuehi was as quick to mirror pass rushers with his feet as any tackle in this class. It looks so effortless for him in pass protection that itās almost as if heās not even trying.
When he got himself into trouble it was because he tried to time his punch too perfectly to swat a defenders hands away. What inevitably happened was Ogbuehi mistimed it and let the defender into his body. While Ogbuehi has almost the ideal frame for a tackle, his strength is definitely lacking and he doesnāt do as well as someone like Andrus Peat when the defender gets into his chest.
Ogbuehi wasnāt asked to do a whole lot of run blocking in the Aggiesā scheme (63% pass-37% run), but when he did, the results were impressive. His long arms came in handy here as well, gaining ground on the edge and not allowing defenders back over the top. Itās a shame that Ogbuehiās health is uncertain after an ACL injury in Texas A&Mās bowl game, but based solely off his tape, Ogbuehi belongs in this group.
Signature Stat: Was downgraded on just 5.6% of run plays last season, the fifth-lowest rate among Power 5 tackles.
Andrus Peat, StanfordPeat is another player that weāve already profiled. At 6-foot-7 with 34 3/8ā arms, he has the frame of a Top-10 tackle, but he doesnāt have the natural feet or change of direction ability of one. The problem is that you canāt teach change of direction so itās likely an issue Peat will have to deal with over the course of his career. Thereās still so much to like, though, as heās only 21 and already has prodigious lower body strength. Peat was born to play in Stanfordās offense and caved in the left side of the line with down blocks routinely. That strength held up in pass protection as well as he allowed one pressure from a bull rush all season.
Signature Stat: Yielded six pressures in Pac-12 play against a slate of Leonard Williams, Hauāoli Kikaha, Nate Orchard, and DeForest Buckner.
Ereck Flowers, MiamiCFF-inset-e-flowersFlowers is the most curious prospect in the class with possibly the highest ceiling of any tackle in the draft. The Miami left tackle is an ox that can flatten a downblock on one play and then beautifully kickslide out and stone a speed rush on the next. He was extremely productive in both run and pass blocking, but Flowers is about as raw as they come ā while some guys have problems in one area or another, he had head-scratching issues sprinkled throughout his entire game.
The biggest concern is that Flowersā form will completely break down for no apparent reason and itās like youāre watching a different player altogether. There is no better example of this than his pass blocking effort with 6:55 remaining in the first quarter against Nebraska.
On that play heās bent so much at the waist upon first contact with Randy Gregory that his upper body is almost parallel to the ground. Flowers then ducks his head and tries to wrap his arms around the Nebraska end. This allows the 235-pound Gregory to gain leverage on Flowers and walk the 329-pound tackle all the way back to the quarterback for a hit.
He got away with that kind of sloppy play far too often in college because of his tremendous strength (37 reps at combine) and length (34 ½ā arms), but that wonāt be the case if he continues it in the NFL.
Signature Stat: Had one negatively-graded game all season and didnāt allow a sack.
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AgamemnonParticipantYou have definite draftnik genes, and I donāt. So in reference to what you saidā¦whatās your spontaneous informed guess about how often or to what extent mock drafts are right about things like that? That is, do the mock drafts map real trends when it comes to the real draft?
I will just throw out some general impressions. Most mock drafts aren’t as good as what informed posters can give you. They are rough guidelines. You have to do a bit of your own work and trust yourself. As we get closer to the draft, they tend to catch up with what the real GMs are thinking. Nobody gets it all right. Mayock does his own work and is consistent. None of them seem to be accurate after the first 7 picks. The best we can do is some educated guess work.
Here is mine.
1 Tampa Bay QB *Jameis Winston
2 Tennessee QB – BPA *Leonard Williams
3 Jacksonville pass rush – BPA *Dante Fowler
4 Oakland WR – BPA *Amari Cooper
5 Washington pass rush – QB *Marcus Mariota (trade – Cleveland or Eagles)
6 NY Jets QB – LB Bud Dupree
7 Chicago QB – ILB – WR Kevin White
8 Atlanta PRush – BPA Vic Beasley
9 New York Giants Def – OT – BPA Devante Parker
10 St. Louis OT/G/C/WR La’el Collins/Brandon Scherff
If I have Tenn wrong, everything could be different. š
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AgamemnonParticipantPhillip Dorsett 5-9.6 185 4.33 Miami
*Nelson Agholor 6-0.1 198 4.42 Southern California
*Sammie Coates 6-1.3 212 4.43 Auburn O
One of these might available in round 2 if the Rams feel they need another playmaker.
I think 41 is a dead spot for offensive linemen, unless you are think of drafting one of these guys.
*Donovan Smith 6-5.5 338 5.27 Penn State
Cedric Ogbuehi 6-5 306 5.05 Texas A&M Torn ACLApril 24, 2015 at 6:55 pm in reply to: OL in the draft: Rams like Flowers? … Smith, Fisher, etc. #23113
AgamemnonParticipantCapabilities of ’15 O-line draft class align perfectly with what Rams need: versatility
Howard Balzer
FOX Sports MidwestAPR 24, 2015 11:28a ET
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LSU’s La’El Collins and Iowa’s Brandon ScherffST. LOUIS — Rams offensive line coach Paul Boudreau has often said he’d love to have all tackles starting on his five-man unit. That, of course, rarely happens, but Boudreau’s point is that the all-around ability and athleticism of tackles will often translate to other positions and provide a team with the best possible blockers.
With this year’s draft less than one week away, Boudreau might be getting closer to his wishes. After all, as the group stands now, the only sure starters are left tackle Greg Robinson and left guard Rodger Saffold, who was drafted as a tackle and switched to guard last season. To say the Rams need to solidify their offensive line with three months remaining until the start of training camp is a massive understatement.
Obviously, whoever starts at right tackle will make it three tackles on the line, but the biggest mystery of this offseason, now 45 days after the start of the league year on March 10, is the status of right tackle Joe Barksdale. Expecting to get a contract in the range of $7-8 million a year, Barksdale saw doors closed quickly on him and he remains unsigned.
If he doesn’t sign in the next week, the Rams will be in the market for a tackle, guard and possibly a center during the draft. If he does, at this point it would likely be a one- or two-year contract at best, so the Rams would be well advised to draft a tackle anyway.
While there has been a lot of chatter about the Rams selecting a quarterback or wide receiver in the first round with their 10th overall choice, it’s difficult to imagine them passing on an offensive lineman, and they could well add more blockers in two of the next three rounds.
The good news for the Rams is that this is a deep group of offensive linemen who also have significant position versatility. It’s not hard to picture Boudreau licking his chops in the team’s war room.
“Because this year’s class lacks an obvious Pro Bowl left tackle, it has been miscast as a below-average group,” says Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com. “In reality, clubs looking for help on the interior or right tackle can find players capable of competing for starting positions as rookies throughout the top 100.”
That’s music to Boudreau’s ears, and he knows it — especially since the Rams already have their left tackle, which means the available crop perfectly matches their needs. They can mix and match and be covered no matter what Barksdale does. Even if the Rams entertain thoughts of signing Barksdale after the draft, they just might get a tackle and guard in two of the first four rounds, possibly setting them up for the next four or five years and allowing them to move on from a steady but unspectacular player.
If they draft a tackle such as Iowa’s Brandon Scherff or LSU’s La’el Collins in the first round, and then still sign Barskdale, either of those prospects could immediately be placed at right guard. There’s that versatility at work.
Scherff started the last three seasons at left tackle but is viewed as either a right tackle or guard in the NFL. “He has enough skills to survive on the edges in the NFL, likely at right tackle,” NFLDraftScout.com’s Dane Brugler, who rates Scherff as a guard, wrote in his draft guide, “but his best position at the next level is inside at guard, which fits his skill set and mindset. (He’s a) safe player who can’t be drafted too early in the first round.”
Numerous mock drafts have him going to the New York Giants, one spot in front of the Rams at ninth overall. If that happens, the Rams couldn’t go wrong with Collins. “Any power-running team would love to have La’El Collins,” says Charles Davis of the NFL Network.
Wrote Brugler: “He is a wrecking ball in the run game. He has enough talent to survive on the edges, projecting as a starting swing tackle at the next level, but might be ideally suited inside at guard.”
At center, a lot depends on how much Boudreau and Co. truly like Barrett Jones and Demetrius Rhaney, but there could be temptation to add Florida State’s Cam Erving or even Mizzou’s Mitch Morse.
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Take this virtual tour of the proposed Rams riverfront stadiumErving played, you guessed it, tackle for the first 37 starts of his offensive line career after switching from defensive tackle, and then moved to center for the final five games last season. That’s where most scouts project him in the NFL, but some believe he could also play guard.
Morse started games for the Tigers at center and both tackle spots while also practicing and playing some at both guard spots. “He is patient, balanced and competitive with the high football intelligence desired,” Brugler wrote.
That’s not unlike former Mizzou lineman Justin Britt, who some said Seattle reached for in the second round last year. But Seahawks line coach Tom Cable knew what he was doing and Britt started every game as a rookie except for the NFC Championship Game because of a knee injury.
Other names to watch for the Rams include tackles Andrus Peat (Stanford) and Ereck Flowers (Miami of Florida) and guards Ali Marpet (Hobart), A.J. Cann (South Carolina), Tre Jackson (Florida State), Laken Tomlinson (Duke) and Jamon Brown (Louisville).
Becoming fast starters is the way of the world in the NFL. Last season, 26 linemen (10 tackles, 11 guards and five centers) were drafted in the first four rounds and 22 in the top 100. Five tackles started a total of 65 games, seven guards started 87 games and the five centers started 55 games.
Two guards, two tackles and one center started all 16 games, while another two guards, one tackle and one center started either 14 or 15 games. The Rams’ Robinson started 12.
Odds are, once all seven rounds are in the books, a few of the linemen discussed above will be Rams and could be expected to start Sept. 13 against the Seahawks.
Welcome to the NFL.
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Seven Options for the Ramsā Number 10 Draft Pick
With the 2015 NFL Draft less than a month away, letās look at some scenarios facing the Rams at pick No. 10.
Scenario 1: Draft an offensive lineman
This might be the most probable outcome. The Rams have holes at left guard, center and right tackle. The team hasnāt shown a ton of urgency when it comes to addressing these holes in free agency, so perhaps the Rams will sign a veteran following the draft like they did a year ago with Davin Joseph. Thus, staying put and drafting the top offensive lineman on their board is logical.
davin josephDavin Josephās signing shows the Ramsā willingness to sign a veteran following the Draft.
Tackle Andrus Peat of Stanford perhaps makes the most sense. Iowaās Brandon Scherff has been linked to the Rams in plenty of mocks, but the thought is that his best position in the pros is guard (and rightfully so when you watch his run-mauling tendencies and his issues in pass protection with edge rushers that can convert speed into power). Iāll never wrap my head around taking a guard in the top 10 because you can find capable starters in the middle rounds. The talent doesnāt drop off at guard as significantly as it does at tackle.
If Scherffās best position is guard, Iād hope the Rams would search for better value at 10. Peat, Laāel Collins and Ereck Flowers are the projected first-round tackles, although Iād argue that Collins will benefit from playing inside at the next level as well. Like Scherff, heās a mauler in the run game but he has issues in space while spending too much time on the ground and not moving his feet quick enough to seal off the edge.
The more I re-watched LSU, the more enamored I became with Collins as a guard as opposed to a tackle.
With Peat, his technique speaks for itself. Defenders have trouble disengaging from him because of his size and length, and he does a nice job setting the edge. Heās one of the safer prospects in this yearās draft, although Iām not sure if his ceiling will go any higher despite being only 21. He doesnāt play with that same finish in the run game like Scherff, but heās pro-ready, which might be attractive to a Rams team that will need to land starters in this yearās draft. Is he a top 10 pick? Thatās debatable, although heās being projected to go in the teens so itās not as if the Rams would be vastly overreaching.
Scenario 2: Trade back
This is the scenario I prefer most when it comes to the Rams, who only have six picks in this yearās draft after trading a fourth and sixth to the Bucs in the Mark Barron deal. No disrespect to Peat, who I like as a mid-first rounder, but there isnāt a dynamic offensive line prospect in this yearās draft, and Iād hate to see the Rams reach.
If they could trade back, grab another second or third-round pick in the process, and get more appropriate value for whichever offensive lineman they snag, that would be the best-case scenario in my eyes. Hell, the Rams could address two holes along the offensive line and still have two more picks in the top 75 if things break the right way.
Scenario 3: Draft a wide receiver
For my money, Alabamaās Amari Cooper is the best prospect in this yearās draft class. He doesnāt have the size of West Virginiaās Kevin White, but heās the most polished receiver Iāve seen come out in a long time and he has just as much speed (check out the footage from the scouting combine where Cooper and White run neck-in-neck).
From a route-running standpoint, thereās no receiver better than Cooper, and if he were there at No. 10, Iād love to see the Rams nab him. That said, I highly doubt heāll be available, and the same goes for White. And even if they were available, the Rams seemingly love their current group of receivers and are unlikely to take a wideout in the first round.
Scenario 4: Draft a cornerback
I havenāt heard many people mention cornerback at No. 10 for the Rams, but with both Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson set to become free agents following the season, this is an interesting option.
janoris jenkinsJanoris Jenkins could become a free agent following the 2015 season.
Michigan Stateās Trae Waynes is the consensus top cornerback in this yearās draft, but Iād argue Jalen Collins of LSU and Marcus Peters (despite his off-field history) of Washington are just as intriguing. Plus, this yearās class at cornerback is deep.
E.J. Gaines proved a year ago that he can start in the NFL and Iām sure the Rams still have plans for 2014 second-rounder LaMarcus Joyner. They could wait at corner and still find good value in the middle rounds. In fact, Collins underwent foot surgery in March and could slip into the second round and offer tremendous value. With his size and length, heās exactly what Fisher has searched for in previous drafts.
Scenario 5: Take a quarterback.
The Rams could choose to take their quarterback of the future at No. 10 if Marcus Mariota were to fall, but thereās reason to believe that heāll be selected with the second overall pick (by the Titans or by another team trading up).
And with Jameis Winston likely to come off the board at No. 1 to the Bucs, I donāt think the Rams will even have an opportunity to consider quarterback in the first round. There are no signal-callers behind Winston and Mariota that deserve consideration in the first.
Scenario 6: Trade up
I donāt see this happening, but Peter King and others have written about the Rams having an āall-inā mentality when it comes to this yearās draft.
Two problems with that sentiment: One, the Rams donāt have the resources (i.e. extra picks) to move up, and I donāt envision them trading next yearās top pick. Second, and perhaps even more importantly, the Rams arenāt one player away from a Super Bowl.
Parting with valuable mid-round picks in order to get land one player wouldnāt be sensible.
Scenario 7: Take an edge rusher
Based on how many people referred to me as an idiot last week when Chris Duncan and I broached this subject on āThe Turn,ā I gather that fans donāt even believe this is an option. It is.
aaron donald-5Aaron Donaldās drafting is an example of the Rams drafting for the player versus addressing a need.
Leonard Williams (who is versatile enough to play tackle or end, depending on the front), Dante Fowler, Vic Beasley and Randy Gregory (despite his failed drug test at the combine) are elite prospects. Many believe Missouriās Shane Ray is a top 15 prospect as well.
Even though the Ramsā biggest strength is along the front seven, the Giants won two Super Bowls in five years because they understood you can never have enough pass-rushers. Plus, and Iāve vehemently argued this over the years, the draft is about selecting players, not positions.
Imagine if the Rams addressed a need at No. 13 last year over a player: They wouldnāt have wound up with Aaron Donald, who didnāt fill a need at defensive tackle, but wound up winning the NFLās Defensive Rookie of the Year title.
Chris Long wonāt play forever. Injuries are a part of the game.
Pass rushers are like gold to NFL teams, and they can take a while to develop, so adding as many talented prospects as you can isnāt a horrible strategy (in fact itās a winning one if you ask the Giants).
Now, are Williams, Fowler, Beasley or Gregory fits in Gregg Williamsā defense? Thatās an argument for another time. But for now, I wouldnāt discount this scenario playing out on draft night if one of these top pass rushers were to fall.
Scenario 8: draft Gurley. š
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The Benefits of Rams Trading Back on No. 10 Pick
What to do with draft pick number ten? Thatās the question.
Last week I discussed seven options for the Ramsā first round selection. Now, letās expound on the strategy that could be most beneficial to the team.
jeff fisher-5Coach Jeff Fisher has acknowledged the Rams have holes to fill on the O-line.
Like most NFL draftniks, Iām addicted to mocks. Be it Peter Kingās or Larry Kingās, Iāll consume it all the same. And no matter which mock I look at in relation to this yearās draft, I donāt like how things play out in front of the Rams.
Thereās a case to be made that Alabama receiver Amari Cooper is the best prospect in this yearās class. Heās a tremendous route-runner, has excellent hands, and plays under control. He tracks the ball perfectly on deep throws, can lineup outside the numbers and win there, or inside in the slot and beat defenders that canāt match up with him in space. Cooper uses his hands well to beat jams, plays with great technique, and has a superb feel for the game.
The guy is good.
Heās polished, pro-ready, and would look great in a Rams uniform. Heās also unlikely to be available when Jeff Fisher and Les Snead make their first selection.
The same can be said for the other top prospects, which include USCās Leonard Williams (popularly mocked to Tennessee at No. 2), Floridaās Dante Fowler Jr. (No. 3 to Jacksonville), Clemsonās Vic Beasley (anywhere from No. 5 to Washington to No. 8 Atlanta), West Virginiaās Kevin White (No. 4 Oakland to No. 7 Chicago) and Florida Stateās Jameis Winston (No. 1 to the Bucs).
Besides the unlikely scenario of the top prospects falling to No. 10, the Rams face a self-imposed dilemma regarding their offensive line. With holes at right tackle, left guard and center, the Rams might not be able to afford bypassing an offensive lineman with their first pick, even with veterans Joe Barksdale, Justin Blalock and Stefen Wisniewski still available in free agency. Had they addressed more needs in free agency, they could have allowed the top nine picks to play out and then simply chosen the best player on their draft board.
Robinson is important in helping the Rams establish the run.Greg Robinson eliminates the need to address the left tackle position in the draft.
But this is where need may intersect with value and opportunity.
The Rams need offensive linemen ā multiple offensive linemen, in fact. The good news is they donāt need a cornerstone left tackle, having selected Greg Robinson with the No. 2 overall pick a year ago. This yearās draft class is flooded with tackles that could potentially start on the right side for the Rams in year one.
Stanfordās Andrus Peat headlines the list. Peatās best attributes are his size and playing technique. Heās polished and is one of the safer prospects in this yearās class, even if heās not dynamic. Oregonās Jake Fisher is technically sound as well, is athletic and has an excellent grasp of angles, an underrated part of playing tackle at any level. Floridaās D.J. Humphries, Pittās T.J. Clemmings, Texasā Cedric Ogbuehi and Miamiās Ereck Flowers donāt come without limitations, but none are considered massive projects either.
If the Rams have Peat listed atop their draft board now or when theyāre on the clock in a few weeks, then heās likely to be their pick.
But unless the drop-off between Peat and the other offensive line prospects (including potential guards Brandon Scherff of Iowa and Laāel Collins of LSU) is significant, then hereās hoping they have an opportunity to trade back.
Being able to address a need with one of the top prospects on their board while also nabbing an extra draft pick or two would be the epitome of value. Maybe the Rams miss out on Peat or Scherff, but landing Fisher, Humphries or Clemmings in the back half of the first round, plus acquiring another second or third-round pick (depending on how far they trade back), would still be a success. Maybe that extra pick turns into another starter along the offensive line.
There have been previous drafts where Iāve argued the Rams should just sit and pick in order to secure the best quality (i.e. talent) over adding quantity (i.e. more selections). But every draft is different and if things play out in front of the Rams like most are assuming, trading back could benefit the team in more ways than one.
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The Rams Should Look Hard at These Three Quarterbacks
We all know it. There is an absolute need for the Rams to draft a developmental quarterback this year. All three QBs on the current roster have contracts that expire at the end of the 2015 season, and the team will want to see Nick Foles at work before committing to a long-term contract.
nick foles-2Nick Folesā signing gives the Rams the option to develop a QB to start down the road.
St. Louis needs a plan of succession.
In a perfect world, Les Snead and Jeff Fisher would draft a quarterback in rounds two to four that could, at the very least, be their third QB this season.
The difficult part of all this is deciding which player the Rams should take and when they should take him, assuming thereās no shot at with Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota.
Strategy-wise, we can be clear on two points:
ā Neither Winston nor Mariota will drop to #10. If one does, the Rams should pull the trigger.
ā Itās not worth trading a bundle of picks to move high enough to get Mariota. Winstonās off-field issues make him too much of a risk to bet the farm on him. Neither of these guys is Andrew Luck.
The RGIII trade hurt the Redskins badly, and the Rams shouldnāt make the mistake of doing someone else the same favor that Washington did for the them.
That in mind, here (in reverse order as a means of creating drama) are the three QBs the Rams should target:
3. Brandon Bridge, South Alabama
Heās a project, but Bridge has elite arm strength, heās mobile, and at 6ā4ā³ 230, this quarterback has prototypical QB size. Youāll have to spend a couple of years working with Bridge because the somewhat unheralded recruit hasnāt seen elite competition.
The Rams have 2015 settled with Foles, though, so theyād have time to train Bridge. Iād rather have a guy with a bazooka for an arm than a more known commodity with a smaller upside.
This is where you swing for the fences. Maybe you whiff completely, but maybe you hit the ball into the upper deck.
2. Brett Hundley, UCLA
Hundley is a lot like Mariota, without the price tag. The UCLA product has much work to do to become an NFL passer (as does Mariota), but youāre not counting on him to play right away, so the coaching staff has time to get him to a point where he can become a starter.
Hundley has all the physical tools, he competed at a high level in the Pac-12, and heās a highly competitive person. Heās not a sprinter in terms of running speed, but heās agile, coordinated, and has good game speed.
From what Iāve seen, his arm strength is impressive as well.
1. Sean Mannion, Oregon State
This is my guy, outside of the top two guys, of course.
Mannion played in a pro-style offense in college and is as comfortable under center as he is in the shotgun. The guy has a strong arm and a smooth delivery. Heās accurate, smart, and at 6ā6ā³ 230, heās got ideal size.
Youāve got to love that the Oregon State product played in the Pac-12 and had success, despite lacking the talent around him that Mariota and Hundley had. Mannion may need some work, but heās not a āprojectā. This guy could easily be ready to start in the NFL in 2016 with good coaching. He could be a stronger-armed version of Foles, and heāll be on a rookie contract for a while._____________
Iām not a big fan of Bryce Petty or Garrett Grayson. Theyāre good, but itās tough to see a projection with these two. Petty and Grayson look like NFL backups. I know they put up huge numbers in college, but that doesnāt always translate to the pros.
I like big-armed quarterbacks who have a chance to become elite players. Colin Kaepernick, for example, came out of Nevada and heās won a lot of games in the NFL because of his arm strength and athleticism. You canāt teach arm strength.
All of these guys are too risky to be considered first round draft picks, but the Rams are in a position this year to draft one of them knowing if it doesnāt work out, they can just pay Foles, provided heād stick around.
AgamemnonParticipantApril 24, 2015 at 10:10 am in reply to: new draft thread — mocks, scouting reports, different takes, etc. #23092
AgamemnonParticipantI do the draft in tiers. It is a bit different than zn’s player categories. Players in the draft are too much of a projection for me to separate them into categories.
In my formula, I use tiers. A tier is a group of players that are close in talent. Their actual number in that order isn’t really significant to me. Any player in the tier is approximately equal. In an average draft, tier 1 usually has 5-6 players, tier 2 10-12 players, tier 3 20-24 players, tier 4 usually peters out at about the first 100 players or the first half of the 4th round. Talent is then no more important than any other number of factors.
Last year I had 10 or 12 tier 1 players. This year I have 2 players in tier 1, Williams and Cooper. Gurley would be there except for his injury. Then I have 15-20 tier 2 players.
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