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I don’t understand why a lot of posters are worried about Snead saying that Battle will have a red shirt year. Jones had one, almost two red shirts year. That was mostly due to recovering from injuries and they could have probably put him on IR if they had wanted. They kept him on the 53 man roster. Battle has a long way to go, but so did Quick and Robinson.
AgamemnonI think the type of players the Rams have on the offensive line will be a good stabilizing influence on Battle. He looks like a puppy that needs to learn how to hunt. I think his pass blocking skills are ahead of Robinson. Cause he has probably done more pass blocking than Robinson. imo He will be another interesting player to watch in camp.
AgamemnonI don’t think they will keep 10 offensive linemen and 3 QBs. I think Battle is the 9th OL.
73 Greg Robinson 14/1a *18/19 00 Isaiah Battle15/5*19
LG 76 Saffold, Rodger 10/2 *19 64 Andrew Donnal 15/4 *19
C 67 Jones, Barrett 13/4 *17 61 Barnes, Tim *16
RG 68 Jamon Brown 15/3a *19
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Clemson OT Isaiah Battle attracts 25 teams to pro day workoutBy Gil Brandt
NFL Media senior analyst
Published: July 7, 2015 at 01:30 p.m.
Updated: July 8, 2015 at 05:50 p.m.Representatives from 25 NFL teams, including an offensive line coach from the Buffalo Bills, were on hand Tuesday for the pro day workout of Clemson offensive tackle Isaiah Battle.
The supplemental draft will be held Thursday, and Battle is expected to be the first player selected in the supplemental draft since Josh Gordon became a second-round pick of the Cleveland Browns in 2012’s supplemental draft.
Battle (6-foot-6 1/8, 312 pounds) went through a workout that was held indoors and run on FieldTurf.
Battle ran the 40-yard dash in 5.29 and 5.21 seconds. He had a 24 1/2-inch vertical jump and an 8-foot-5 broad jump. He performed 12 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press, but had this exercise cut short because of a cramp in his arm.
Battle has an 85 1/4-inch wing span and 35 3/8-inch arms.
Battle could be selected somewhere in the fourth round of the supplemental draft. A team that expects to have a good 2015 season, and therefore believes that it will be picking late in the third round of the 2016 NFL Draft, might be inclined to pick Battle late in the third round of the supplemental draft.
» 2015 supplemental mock draftThere are seven players eligible for the supplemental draft.
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What the Rams had for 2016. They use their 5th round pick in the 2015 supp. draft.
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It appears that they got the conditional picks pertaining to Bradford’s health wrong.
The Eagles’ draft compensation for the 2016 pick could change based on Bradford’s availability next season. If Bradford plays less than 50% of snaps next year, the Eagles get a fourth-round pick from the Rams. If he misses the year, they get a third-round selection. Agamemnonhttp://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13228050/st-louis-rams-pick-isaiah-battle-supplemental-draft
Thursday, July 9, 2015
Isaiah Battle picked by Rams, is 1st supplemental pick since 2012
By Nick Wagoner
ESPN.comEARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams’ quest to add young talent to their offensive line continued Thursday when they used a fifth-round supplemental draft choice on former Clemson tackle Isaiah Battle.
Battle is the fifth offensive lineman the Rams have spent a draft choice on this year after they used four picks on the line in this year’s NFL draft. The Rams now forfeit their fifth-round choice in the 2016 NFL draft.
Pro Bowlers Rare From Supplemental Draft
Isaiah Battle became the 43rd player to be selected in the supplemental draft. Of the previous 42, only eight have been selected to a Pro Bowl and Cris Carter is the only one to become a Pro Football Hall of Famer.
Player Draft Year
Josh Gordon 2012
Ahmad Brooks 2006
Jamal Williams 1998
Mike Wahle 1998
Rob Moore 1990
Bobby Humphrey 1989
Cris Carter 1987
Bernie Kosar 1985
— Elias Sports BureauBattle is the first player taken in the supplemental draft since the Cleveland Browns selected receiver Josh Gordon in 2012 and becomes the 43rd player selected since the supplemental draft began. He’s also the first supplemental choice made by the Rams since they moved to St. Louis in 1995.
“We felt it was an opportunity to get an earlier round value for a later round price,” Rams general manager Les Snead said in a statement. “He’s going to practice what would’ve been his final year of college eligibility with us, go through our offseason program, and then start his rookie season a year from now. This will allow us to bring him along gradually both on and off the field. Now it’s up to Isaiah and us to go work to reach his potential as a person and player.”
The 6-foot-6, 312-pound Battle played left tackle for the Tigers, starting 11 games in 2014 and appearing in 27 in his three-year career. There, he earned a reputation for his run-blocking, as Clemson averaged 4.5 yards per carry running to the left versus 4 up the middle and 4.1 to the right, according to ESPN Stats & Information.
Battle entered the supplemental draft last month, saying he “had family matters to address,” and acknowledging he had a child due this summer. He also has been dealing with off-the-field issues. According to media reports, he was cited for possession of marijuana, speeding and lack of proof of insurance on June 11.
In 2013, Clemson suspended Battle for a game for throwing a punch a North Carolina State player. Last season, he was suspended for Clemson’s game against Syracuse for undisclosed disciplinary reasons.
Battle drew 26 teams to a pro day workout at Clemson on Tuesday.
In St. Louis, Battle will be expected to compete with the Rams’ many young offensive linemen. The team selected right tackle Rob Havenstein in the second round this year and left tackle Greg Robinson with the No. 2 overall pick in 2014. Swing tackle Garrett Reynolds signed as a free agent this offseason to backup Robinson and Havenstein.
The Rams now have five picks in next year’s draft (the fewest of any team), pending the outcome of a conditional choice traded to Philadelphia for quarterback Sam Bradford. If Bradford plays more than 50 percent of the snaps for the Eagles, the Rams would recoup that selection, which would be a third or fourth-round choice depending on how much Bradford plays.
The other six players eligible to be drafted Thursday are: West Georgia defensive tackle Dalvon Stuckey, West Georgia defensive end Darrius Caldwell, Houston defensive end Eric Eiland, UConn tight end Sean McQuillan, Kansas defensive back Kevin Short and North Carolina Central wide receiver/kick returner Adrian Wilkins.
If they aren’t selected Thursday, they will become unrestricted free agents.
Use the link for some video.
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Rams select Clemson OT in supplemental draft
40 minutes ago • By Jim ThomasTurns out the Rams drafted five offensive linemen this offseason. In an unexpected move, the team selected former Clemson left tackle Isaiah Battle in the fifth round of Thursday’s NFL supplemental draft.
Battle, 6-6, 312, started 11 games for Clemson last season. But off-field issues and what Battle termed “family matters” caused him to apply for the supplemental draft in mid-June. The Rams sent scout Ted Monago to Battle’s pro day Tuesday and spent a lot of time talking with Clemson coaches and staff about him as well.
Battle is the first player selected by the Rams in the supplemental draft since the team moved to St. Louis in 1995. As a result of drafting Battle on Thursday, the Rams lose their fifth-round pick in 2016. He was the only player taken in the supplemental draft in the NFL this year. Every other team passed on making a selection.
The Rams will treat Battle’s 2015 season as the equivalent of a redshirt season according to general manager Les Snead.
“We felt it was a chance to get an earlier-round value for a later-round price due to the circumstances,” Snead said. “He’s going to practice what would’ve been his final year of college eligibility with us, go through our offseason program, and then start his rookie season a year from now.
“This will allow us to bring him along gradually both on and off the field. Now it’s up to Isaiah and us to go work to reach his potential as a person and player.”
It’s hard to know for sure given the circumstances, but early projections had Battle as a late-first, early-second prospect for the 2016 draft. All told, the native of Brooklyn, N.Y., played in 27 games with 15 starts for Clemson.
But the “family matters” _ namely a child due this summer according to ESPN _ and a police citation (but no arrest) for marijuana possession after being pulled over for speeding last month according to the Clemson Insider, led Battle to the supplemental draft.
In 2013, Battle had been suspended for punching a North Carolina State player.
Snead was driving through the Florida Panhandle, taking his son Logan to the Manning Passing Academy in Thibodaux, La., when he contacted the league office to make the pick.
Rams GM Kevin Demoff was in Lake Tahoe, on the annual family vacation. Coach Jeff Fisher was fishing in Montana. So it’s not as if the Rams’ brass was huddled in the team’s draft room at Rams Park in Earth City for this one.
In the regular draft April 30-May 2, the Rams selected four offensive linemen: Wisconsin’s Rob Havenstein in Round 2; Louisville’s Jamon Brown in Round 3; Iowa’s Andrew Donnal in Round 4; and Fresno State’s Cody Wichmann in Round 6.
The Rams had only 89 players under contract prior to the supplemental draft, so they don’t have to free up a spot for Battle on the 90-man offseason roster.
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Rams Take Isaiah Battle in Supplemental DraftPosted 25 minutes ago
Austin Lankford Digital Media Intern
The Rams continued adding to the offensive line Thursday afternoon by picking up Isaiah Battle in the supplemental draft.
St. Louis acquired Battle in exchange for its fifth round pick in 2016 and is now the fifth offensive lineman drafted by the Rams this year. Out of the seven eligible players in this year’s supplemental draft, the tackle out of Clemson was the only one selected.
“We felt it was an opportunity to get an earlier round value for a later round price,” Rams General Manager Les Snead said. “He’s going to practice what would’ve been his final year of college eligibility with us, go through our offseason program, and then start his rookie season a year from now. This will allow us to bring him along gradually both on and off the field. Now it’s up to Isaiah and us to go work to reach his potential as a person and player.”
Battle appeared in 27 games over three years during his college career, starting 11 in 2014. He leaves the program as eighth in school history for snaps played as an offensive tackle.
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St. Louis Rams take OT Isaiah Battle in NFL’s Supplemental Draft
By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
July 9, 2015 2:19 pm ETIsaiah Battle started 11 games at left tackle for Clemson in 2014. (Getty Images)
The 2015 Supplemental Draft came and went Thursday with the St. Louis Rams investing a fifth-round pick in former Clemson left tackle Isaiah Battle, making him the first player selected in the NFL’s annual “summer second-chance draft” since 2012.
Battle was one of seven players ruled eligible by the NFL but the only one selected. The other six — West Georgia edge rusher Darrius Caldwell, Houston defensive end Eric Eiland, Connecticut tight end Sean McQuillan, Kansas defensive back Kevin Short, West Georgia defensive tackle Dalvon Stuckey and North Carolina Central wideout and returner Adrian Wilkins — are now considered street free agents and may sign with any club. A breakdown of each player can be read here.
The selection of Battle is a fascinating decision by Rams’ general manager Les Snead and head coach Jeff Fisher as St. Louis invested heavily in offensive linemen only a few months ago, spending second, third, fourth and sixth round picks on Rob Havenstein, Jamon Brown, Andrew Donnal and Cody Wichmann, respectively. Havenstein and Brown lined up with the first team at right tackle and right guard during the Rams’ OTA sessions.
Havenstein and Battle could duke it out for the starting right tackle position, opposite left tackle Greg Robinson, the No. 2 overall pick in 2014.
Battle played in 27 games for the Tigers over the past three seasons, starting 11 of 12 games at left tackle a year ago and 16 contests, overall. He did not allow a sack in the 12 regular season games in 2014.
Physically speaking, Battle is exactly what NFL scouts are looking for at the tackle position. His combination of height (6-foot-6, 312 pounds), arm length (35 3/8″) and easy movement make Battle a potentially formidable pass blocker as edge rushers struggle to get around him. He’s also quick to the second level when run blocking and can re-direct to hit moving targets once there.
While undeniably gifted, Battle remains quite raw and some scouts questioned whether he had the competitiveness to ever take full advantage of his talent. Battle offers only average functional strength at this time and too often bends at the waist rather than at the knees, which leaves him vulnerable to the bull rush and counters back to the inside.
Concerns about Battle’s playing strength were only enflamed after he completed just 12 repetitions of 225 pounds at his Pro Day workout before cramping up. As a point of comparison, the lowest number of repetitions in the bench press by any tackle selected in the 2015 draft was 16 … from Havenstein.
Lapses in technique and below average weight room strength were viewed by some scouts as examples of Battle’s laziness on the field. Like most of the other players available each year in the Supplemental Draft, Battle’s decisions off the field threatened his eligibility, which is why he declared early.
In a statement on Clemson’s official athletic website, Battle cited family obligations as a reason for his pursuing the NFL early. Battle also failed several drug tests at Clemson, NFLDraftScout.com learned.
The Supplemental Draft is very different from the media bonanza that occurs each spring. It is carried out via e-mail among teams and is not televised. The selection order is different as well.
The teams are slotted into three groups based on their won/loss percentage the previous year and are then placed in a lottery with the official order not being released to the public. According to multiple league sources, the Jacksonville Jaguars “won” this year’s lottery and held the first pick of each round of the 2015 Supplemental Draft and the Seattle Seahawks, not the Super Bowl winning New England Patriots, were awarded the final pick. The Rams were given the 8th overall pick.
Teams interested in selecting a player contact the league via email with a list of the prospects they would draft and the round in which they would take them. As such, it is possible that another team picking after the Rams also placed a 5th round bid on Battle but lost out because St. Louis was slotted ahead of them.
It was originally created for players who had lost their eligibility between the primary NFL Draft in April and the beginning of the next season. Typically they are players who ran afoul of the law or failed to keep up with their academic obligations. A total of 44 players have now been selected since the draft’s inception in 1977. Among the most notable Supplemental selections were quarterback Bernie Kosar (Cleveland, 1985), wide receiver Cris Carter (Philadelphia, 1987), linebacker Brian Bosworth (Seattle, 1987) and, most recently, wide receiver Josh Gordon (Cleveland, 2012).
Of the remaining prospects, the two former West Georgia standouts — Caldwell and Stuckey — are likeliest to attract attention as undrafted free agents.
The 6-foot-5, 238 pound Caldwell dominated the Gulf South Conference last season — his first at that level — to the tune of 18.5 tackles for loss and 12 sacks after initially signing with Illinois out of high school, where he recorded 17 tackles, including five for loss and 2.5 sacks in 2012 after redshirting a year earlier.
Academic issues forced him out of the Big Ten in 2013, however, and Caldwell landed at Pearl City Community College, where despite only posting 12 tackles and four tackles for loss, he earned an offer from Arizona State and was hyped as a possible replacement at Devil-backer for Carl Bradford, a 2014 fourth round pick of the Green Bay Packers. Academics once again pushed Caldwell out, however, and he ultimately wound up at West Georgia, where he recorded 69 total tackles and led the conference in sacks.
Caldwell is agile for his size and flashes explosiveness off the edge but lacks the bulk to remain at defensive end, projecting best as a standup rush linebacker for a predominately 3-4 scheme.
Stuckey initially signed with Florida State out of high school but also struggled with academics. He offers intriguing size at 6-foot-4, 313 pounds and flashed playmaking ability last year, recording 40 tackles, including nine tackles for loss, four sacks and three forced fumbles. He’s stout at the point of attack and flashes a burst to penetrate.
Battle and any other players signed following the draft are immediately eligible to play in the NFL. The Rams will get their first look at Battle in uniform when training camp opens for rookies on July 27.
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Updated: June 26, 6:47 AM ET
Left tackle Isaiah Battle leaving Clemson for NFL supplemental draft
By Andrea Adelson
ESPN.comClemson starting left tackle Isaiah Battle will enter the NFL supplemental draft, coach Dabo Swinney announced Thursday.
“I have some family matters to address, with a child due this summer, and I feel it is in my best interest to enter the NFL supplemental draft,” Battle said.
Isaiah Battle
Left tackle Isaiah Battle started 11 games last season for Clemson and played more snaps than any other player on the team.“I want to thank everyone at Clemson, especially Coach Swinney and the assistant coaches, for what they have done for me the last three years. I also want to thank my teammates. They have all had a big impact on my career.”
Battle, who played in 27 career games, started 11 contests last season and played more snaps than any other player on the team (824), so his loss is a big one — especially since true freshman Mitch Hyatt will be given an opportunity to win the starting job.
Hyatt, a five-star prospect ranked as the No. 2 offensive lineman in the country, participated in spring practice as Battle’s backup.
“This will create a great opportunity for Mitch,” Swinney said in a statement. “We liked what we saw from Mitch in the spring and look forward to seeing his progress in August. We have other young offensive linemen who will also have a new opportunity for playing time.”
Battle has been in trouble in the past at Clemson, serving a suspension in 2013 after punching a player, and another last season for disciplinary reasons. According to The Clemson Insider, Battle was pulled over for speeding in early June and caught with marijuana. Police cited him for both, but did not charge or arrest him.
Teams that pick a player in the supplemental draft forfeit their pick in the corresponding round of the following year’s NFL draft. If a player goes unselected, he becomes an unrestricted free agent. The last time a player was taken in the supplemental draft was 2012 when the Cleveland Browns used a second-round choice on wide receiver Josh Gordon.
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Rams select Clemson’s Isaiah Battle in supplemental draftBy Chase Goodbread
College Football 24/7 writer
Published: July 9, 2015 at 02:12 p.m.
Updated: July 9, 2015 at 02:31 p.m.Clemson offensive tackle Isaiah Battle was selected by the St. Louis Rams in the fifth round of the NFL Supplemental Draft on Thursday, the league announced.
Notable supplemental picksCris Carter and Bernie Kosar headline a list of the five most interesting supplemental draft picks of all time. Can one of the four 2015 supplemental draft prospects join them? MORE …
With the pick, the Rams give up their fifth-round selection in the 2016 NFL Draft. Seven players had been ruled eligible for the supplemental draft — Battle was the only one selected.
According to NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein, the Rams are getting a player with the physical tools to play the left tackle position in the NFL, but one who comes with baggage that adds concern about his character. Meanwhile, the Rams are clearly serious about upgrading the offensive line that will block for 2015 first-round pick Todd Gurley and new quarterback Nick Foles. St. Louis chose four offensive linemen in the NFL draft two months ago, including two in the first three rounds, led by second-round pick Rob Havenstein of Wisconsin.
The supplemental draft setting, at least for the Rams, wasn’t quite as intense as the league’s annual draft in the spring. Rams Executive Vice President of Football Operations Kevin Demoff provided this serene peek into what he called the club’s “war room” for the day:
Battle’s pro day workout earlier this week drew representatives from 25 NFL clubs, and according to NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt, Battle ran 40-yard dash times of 5.21 and 5.29 seconds.
Off-field issues clouded Battle’s college career. He was suspended for punching a North Carolina State player in 2013 and was suspended for an undisclosed violation of team rules last year. He was cited for marijuana possession and speeding last month, according to The Clemson Insider.
At 6-foot-6, 312 pounds and with a wingspan of 85 1/4 inches, Battle has the length NFL clubs look for in a tackle.
Other players eligible for the supplemental draft were defensive linemen Darrius Caldwell and Dalvon Stuckey of West Georgia, Houston defensive end Eric Eiland, UConn tight end Sean McQuillan, Kansas defensive back Kevin Short and North Carolina Central wide receiver Adrian Wilkins. Those players became unrestricted free agents upon completion of the supplemental draft.
Prior to Battle, the most recent selection in the supplemental draft was the Cleveland Browns’ choice of wide receiver Josh Gordon in the second round in 2012.
Follow Chase Goodbread on Twitter @ChaseGoodbread.
AgamemnonThat is what the Rams were missing. A developmental OT with LT athletic attributes. imo
A good gamble of a future 5th round pick. imo
AgamemnonRams lose 5th-round pick in 2016 as result of selecting Battle, who is first player taken in supplemental draft since team has been in StL.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) July 9, 2015
AgamemnonJuly 9, 2015 – 9:48 am
http://gbnreport.com/
Supp draft today … Its draft day lite in the NFL as the league holds its annual summer supplemental draft later today. A total of 7 players will be available for today’s draft including Clemson OT Isaiah Battle, DT Dalvon Stuckey and DE Darrius Caldwell, both of West Georgia, North Carolina Central WR/KR Adrian Wilkins, Houston DE Eric Eiland, UConn TE Sean McQuillan, and Kansas CB Kevin Short. However, the only one of the 7 likely to be selected is Battle, who had been considered to be a potential second day pick for the 2016 draft. Unlike the regular draft, to choose a player in the supplemental draft teams submit a ‘bid’ indicating the round they would take the player and the player is awarded to the team bidding the earliest round. If more than one team bids in the same round then that player is awarded to the team with the earliest pick in that round. The selection for the supplemental draft is also different from the regular draft in that it is set by a weighted lottery among three groups of teams: those with 6 or fewer wins in 2014; the other non-playoff teams; and playoff teams. If a team is awarded a player in the supp draft then they forfeit their pick in the same round in the regular draft. Players not selected in the supp draft then become free agents eligible to sign with any team. AgamemnonAg there was a visibility issue with that pic. So I try again (doing only the top 20).
Note 2 Rams in the top 10.
Also, though… they didn’t start recording sacks as a stat, as we know, until 1982. Another figure who might be on an expanded list is Larry Brooks. In his 2nd season, 1973, he had 9 sacks. However, of course, we don’t know how many other DTs had before 82, so, you can’t really rank him.
It is too wide to show up optimally, but you can click on view image for a larger version and I wanted the entire line of text to show. Your version does show the numbers better.
AgamemnonYes they are. All things are fine.
Got it.
What did you mean though by “beware the Ides of March”?
A little late for that, eh?
Quantum particles can vibrate in time. imo
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PMs are screwed up again. I haven’t gotten it yet. Sigh.
Yes they are. All things are fine.
AgamemnonHi. You have a pm.
You have some ideas on how that 6 or so could be used. Practice squad, room for injury replacements, and maybe some other things. What are the other possibilities? I just think it would be nice if they were out there again.
Practice squad = ~1.0 million
injured reserve= ~3.0 million
roster 51 > 53 = ~1.0 millionThat leaves about 2.0 million free. It also means they could have easily written a contract for a player with a 3 million hit yet this year(Braksdale).
AgamemnonThe contracts of rookie players are set by the CBA with little variation. All draftees have a four year contract. For 1st round players all four years are guaranteed. (Also each 1st round draft choice is subject to a fifth year option.) Each player will get a signing bonus, determined by their draft position. For those drafted in rounds 2 and 3 the signing bonus is large enough to make cutting them the first year impracticable due to the CAP hit.
good info.
AgamemnonI think the guaranteed money is as important as the average salary. Control the guaranteed money and you can always bail if you want. imo
AgamemnonIt is always best though to use as little of a future budget as possible.
Well I agree with that, except I also don’t see the “year 2 maneuver” as really using future budget in the way that can be detrimental. It’s not like a Zygmunt death sentence backload. So I agree with your principle, BUT I exempt using just year 2 from that. To me it gives them flexibility in a lot of different ways. And notice it prevents them from having to over do the thing where you turn present hard money (salary, roster bonus) into a pro-rated bonus, because unless a deal is only 2 years, it does backload more in general. So let’s say they want to sign Foles now. Rather than backload a few different years by converting someone’s hard money in pro-rated bonus money, they just park a one-time frontload in the 2016 cap. Anyway that’s my thinking on this.
I would think of 2016 as being the first year of his extension. Is this now sematics? 😉
AgamemnonBut those are older contracts. Is there anything after that?
Well it was back them that I got the idea they did that. Which I held as an idea and talked about for a couple of years.
Since then, they haven’t had any major extensions or signings that went beyond 2 years, except Kendricks, who doesn’t fit the model I describe but then it’s also a lesser overall contract.
So I dunno.
But I would say that extending a guy in year 1 and using year 2 to park the big frontload, is smart policy because the alternative is to not extend him and just wait until you have year 1 cap space.
If so the results are still good, because it means that no matter where you are against the cap in 2015, you can extend someone one the basis of 2016 cap space, and then when you get to 2016, you can do the same with 2017.
So I think it’s a good policy either way. In effect it means they are never really tight against the cap, for that reason and others.
But no we haven’t seen it recently. With Britt and Kendricks there is either not much difference (but then Britt is a 2 year) or (LK) year 1 is about 1 M higher than what follows. Ayers is the same as Britt.
Guaranteed money makes a difference. But, better would be Quinn’s use of a Roster bonus that can be changed to signing bonus, for flexibility. It is a tool for cap management. It is always best though to use as little of a future budget as possible.
AgamemnonSaffold has the second year hit in it, but that is the only one I found.
Jake Long and JL were that way, using ie. the 2nd year frontload hit.
JL had a 4.25 cap hit in 2013 when he signed, and a 9.25 cap hit in year 2. The cap hits go up by 1 M after that but the dead money goes down. This is an example of using guaranteed money upfront in the 1st couple of years to keep the dead money down later.
JamesL signed in 2012. His big cap hit was 2013, at 12.4 M and it went down after that.
CL in contrast was a year 1 front load, with 18.5 M coming out of the first year.
But those are older contracts. Is there anything after that?
JamesL was an extension, so there never was room to put a lot of money in year one.
Or Jake is an example of limited space available in the first year.
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