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If Foles doesn’t sign and if he gets 22M/yr = 44M in 2016 and 2017, that compares to the 40.2M he would get for 2015, 16, 17. Or The Rams could just wait and tag him for ~20 million for one year, then go with Mannion. Or even just go with Mannion next year?! š
There is no right or wrong way to do this. Any of the possible paths are all gambles. They are all gambles that the Rams can afford. It is just which gamble has the best chance of working out the best or which gamble are you most comfortable taking. imo
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AgamemnonInside the numbers: Russell Wilson’s deal broken down year by year
August 1, 2015 10:13 am ETMaybe Russell Wilson didn’t receive a market-setting deal when agreed to sign a four-year, $87.6 million extension with the Seahawks on Friday, but a closer look at the contract shows the Seahawks quarterback made out just fine.
Here are Wilson’s base salaries and cap numbers:
Wilson gets $31 million to sign, with $20 million coming on Aug. 10. The remainder is due in April.
The cap numbers are very manageable and can be lowered more by turning $10 million or more of base to bonus in a year like 2016 or 2017 — and spreading it over the remainder. With the cap soaring and with quarterback salaries on the rise, these sides could easily be back at the bargaining table by 2017.
Wilson’s $31 million in true guaranteed money at signing is well below many top quarterback deals. His $56.6 million over the first three years of the deal is well below the $67 million Cam Newton received or the $65 million Ben Roethlisberger got. However, Wilson was negotiating off a measly third-round rookie deal and set to make just $1.5 million this year — so getting the $31 million was huge for him.
Wilson’s injury guarantee totals $61 million — with $31 million coming from the signing bonus in addition his full 2016 and 2017 salaries guaranteed for injury ($25 million total) as well as $4.9 million of his 2018 salary guaranteed for injury now. The future years can become guaranteed for skill and cap at later dates as well, but are not as of now (at the time of signing).
For me this deal translates to: 4yrs at 20.5 million/yr. They can cut him in 2018 after 3 years. The payout for those 3 years = 56.6 million or 19.2 million/yr.
Wilson was drafted 75 in 2012. Foles was drafted 88 in 2012. Let’s try using Wilson’s contract to project Foles’ contract.
Let’s keep the bonus money the same – 31M and drop the average salary 18M/yr. or minus 4M/yr in 2016-2019.
The 3 yr payout is 48.6 or 16.2m/yr. Looking at this, we could probably drop the signing bonus by 5 or 6 million and get Foles for ~15M for the first 3 years. Then we can cut him if we want. imo
AgamemnonWhatās notable here is that a few different regular observersāJimi, Mike Franke, and hammerāall see the guy doing good things. They have all been good observers over the years, but my thing is, if they are all 3 seeing something, I would be surprised if there were nothing to it.
CoachO has some good insights.
Yes. Heās a good one too, no question. Heās apparently not posting camp stuff now, though. So my list just included the guys commenting on Mannion this year. I would like to hear from the Coach on Mannion, but so far he isnāt one of the regulars saying things.
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I think he told someone on ROD that he would post later.
AgamemnonWhat is the issue with hammer? Does hammer have good insight at training camp? Imagine paying Mannion as a starting QB while winning ala Wilson and the Seahawks!
Over the years there have been a few good regular camp observers. All of them have their tendencies and ways of seeing things. None of them are always right, though they will tell you that themselves. Whatās notable here is that a few different regular observersāJimi, Mike Franke, and hammerāall see the guy doing good things. They have all been good observers over the years, but my thing is, if they are all 3 seeing something, I would be surprised if there were nothing to it.
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CoachO has some good insights.
AgamemnonWhat is the issue with hammer? Does hammer have good insight at training camp? Imagine paying Mannion as a starting QB while winning ala Wilson and the Seahawks!
http://interact.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1122843
Check this link. I like Mannion, but he isn’t ready yet. Agamemnonthehammer
watching Mannion I felt like John Sutter finding gold At Sutters Mill..much leaner/quicker then Foles, always surrounded by coaches, getting solid reps as the #2ā¦lot to like..I thought hammer wasnāt posting anymore.
He sent that into private circulation and then a guy posted it at ROD.
Speaking of which, I figure he has a right to ask me to take it down if he wants.
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I was curious if he had started posting again. I think he will start posting again. Things like that have sort of have a momentum of their own. imo
Agamemnon— Jim Fadler (@jimiramsboy) August 2, 2015
right click on the time stamp. then select copy link location. Agamemnonthehammer
watching Mannion I felt like John Sutter finding gold At Sutters Mill..much leaner/quicker then Foles, always surrounded by coaches, getting solid reps as the #2ā¦lot to like..I thought hammer wasn’t posting anymore.
AgamemnonWhat it appears to me is that Alexander has not passed TJ but has lapped Barron in the depth chart #ramscamp
— Jim Fadler (@jimiramsboy) August 1, 2015
AgamemnonWestbrook steam rolls Jones #ramscamp
— Jim Fadler (@jimiramsboy) August 1, 2015
AgamemnonHearing good things about Maurice Alexander from some of the media #ramscamp
— Jim Fadler (@jimiramsboy) August 1, 2015
AgamemnonBrian Quick doing work on Trumaine Johnson #RamsCamp pic.twitter.com/WL5Vcvh8dz
— P. Stewart (@stewartfzn) August 1, 2015
AgamemnonFoles throws a great ball to an extremely well covered Cook allowed him to high point it #ramscamp
— Jim Fadler (@jimiramsboy) August 1, 2015
In the WR/CB 1 on 1 drills EJ and Janoris have stood out on D, with Quick and Bailey looking good on O #RamsCamp
— P. Stewart (@stewartfzn) August 1, 2015
Third year in a row Cook looks all pro in camp…bit I will say Foles is making it easy for him today #ramscamp
— Jim Fadler (@jimiramsboy) August 1, 2015
Quick shields off Gaines with his body for a long TD…get move not a push but good enough to get open #ramscamp
— Jim Fadler (@jimiramsboy) August 1, 2015
In 4 on 4 an undrafted CB named Montell Garner really flashed ..South Alabama #ramscamp
— Jim Fadler (@jimiramsboy) August 1, 2015
Foles can place the ball extremely well on the move #ramscamp
— Jim Fadler (@jimiramsboy) August 1, 2015
AgamemnonBrian Quick looking good again in WR drills. Will be a factor at beginning of season. #RamsCamp #STLNFL pic.twitter.com/an6pbbqZfj
— P. Stewart (@stewartfzn) August 1, 2015
Gurley…Tre just blew through this drill #ramscamp pic.twitter.com/R9BYefUNwN
— Jim Fadler (@jimiramsboy) August 1, 2015
AgamemnonIs Foles a Fiery āfavre typeā of QB ? Or is he a quiet āBart starr typeā ?
I know a lot of fans like the fiery types,
for obvious reasons.Whats Foles like on the field?
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vI don’t know much about Foles. Only that he seems to want to do everything right.
AgamemnonFollow a collect of tweets from Rams Park – continued from 7/31
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bumphttps://twitter.com/NoPlanB_/lists/ramscamp2015
AgamemnonAt the 6:15 mark or so, of the Quick interview,
Quick says āhe (Foles?) said things i wasnāt use to beforeā¦āWhat did he mean by that? DāMarco, instead of following up
on that, asked a dum shoe question.w
vI have no idea, vw. It doesn’t make sense, so I would put it down to a mental typo. Then it might make a bit of sense if it was something new and something he was praising Foles for. Some kind of positive feedback? Maybe Foles just wanting him to things a bit differently that he did before? Maybe just something extra that Foles wanted?
AgamemnonA few items:
I read somewhere that zone blocking helps make pass blocking simpler. Maybe it is a bit easier for Rookies to learn? I read every team does some zone blocking.
The main attribute for a center is intelligence, making line calls. That would be Jones. imo
If our center or any other oline position plays between to good players that helps immensely. imo
Like it helped Jacob Bell. He played well at Tenn. when he was between to good players. As Ram, he was on his own. I thought he suxed.
I like Havenstein, Brown, Donal, and Battle. Not sure about Wichmann, mostly cause he seems to be a pure guard. A pure guard needs to be a starter. Imo
Jones and Rhaney figure to be better playing guard than Barnes. imo Agamemnonfrom Scout Picks Packers-Patriots Super Bowl, Breaks Down Every Team
By Mike Freeman
St. Louis Rams: āBig problem for the Rams is that offense. It will be one of the bottom five in football.ā
You know the Rams scored 20 points per game last year. They scored more points than Arizona.
AgamemnonI immediately thought, his center of the target accuracy and his touch are light years ahead of all other QBs.
AgamemnonMy thing is, I don;t have a REAL feel for Foles yet. I have to see him play. Right now heās too āon paperā for me. I felt the same way about Bradford before the 2010 season.
My problem is, I like Mannion better. LOL
Agamemnon(On the young offensive line)
Just in talking with the defensive lineman, obviously we have a veteran group of defensive lineman, theyāre saying, āThese guys are going to be good.ā Coming from (DE) Chris (Long) and (DE) Will (Hayes) and those guys, thatās pretty impressive.ā.
I tend to give stuff like this a little more weight.
AgamemnonJamon Brown looked extremely good including one rep vs Fairley.
Single most impressive rookie on the Oline was Jamon Brown. I thought GRob looked very good
We knew the Rams could draft guards.
We also have seven tackles.
AgamemnonOne cool note: Bud Sasser is guest of the team this weekend, checking things out, observing various jobs. A job with team his if he wants.
— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) July 31, 2015
Good for the Rams.
AgamemnonJeff Fisher liked what he saw on Day 1, had some praise for undrafted rookie DE Martin Ifedi of Memphis.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) July 31, 2015
He was the last player the Rams drafted Jim.
AgamemnonLots of positives so far. I am looking for positives and not paying much attention to negatives at this point.
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