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I thought I was agreeing with you? Teams stay away from JJ to pick on Trumaine.
This is some sort of trick. Agreeing
with me.I’ll not fall for it.
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vI agree. Don’t fall for it. 😉
AgamemnonAnybody think Tru is better than JJ ?
I think they are both good, and different types,
but I still think JJ is a better corner.
Tru, I think, benefits greatly from having
JJ on the field.
Yes? No?Who is the DB coach btw? I forget.
Whoever it is, gets a gold star this year.w
v<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>Yes.</span>
But JJ is quicker, shifty-er.
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vI thought I was agreeing with you? Teams stay away from JJ to pick on Trumaine.
AgamemnonAnybody think Tru is better than JJ ?
I think they are both good, and different types,
but I still think JJ is a better corner.
Tru, I think, benefits greatly from having
JJ on the field.
Yes? No?Who is the DB coach btw? I forget.
Whoever it is, gets a gold star this year.w
vYes.
AgamemnonDepends on who stays – I would think they’d work hard to keep both Tru and Jenkins. Tru has really emerged as a solid pro corner in his prime. Jenkins is solid as well.
But regarding the DL, what will they do about Brockers, Sims, Hayes, Fairley, and Long. I could see them letting most or several of these guys go after this season. Seems to me like DL might be a bigger need going forward than the secondary on that side of the ball.
I think it will work out that the Rams take a DE in the second round. But there are not as many good solutions for that in the draft or FA. imo
Fortunately we have a bit of depth and they can probably resign those players cheaper than players at other positions. And we have enough cap room to do that, although Long takes a cut. Even if the DL takes a hit, they will still be good. imo
They have 12 DL on the roster now.Brockers is under contract for next year. Hayes and Simms have signed somewhat team friendly deals in the past. They seem to like Westboorks and Longacre and Trinca-Pasat. Fairley can probably be had for less that what he played for this year. imo. All the FAs are not pure starters, they are more rotational. Quinn’s back injury is a question, if he is done there is not viable way to replace him. There are no alternatives out there for that. Even with that, that is still 8 players without drafting any more DL.
Agamemnonalyoshamucci
Was moving last week so Im gonna go ahead and smash these together …
Couple things to note up front … I think Fisher and Snead aren’t going anywhere, I’ve been saying that a while, and when we play well I THINK it’s pretty clear the kind of talent they have put together over of the years. We still have a couple huge holes I think that could use some playmakers … and how we resign and manage this offseason is something Im looking forward to seeing … also … we’re not ruled out of the playoffs yet so I still have that in the back of my mind also.
The Great
1) Aaron Donald … I could probably put him up at the top every week but my expectations are high now so he gets up here when he’s really played lights out. 3 sacks on Detroit. 3 stuff and 3 bug hits in the FIRST HALF of the Detroit game. He single handedly took Jameis out of the game mentally … I have to say he’s simply the fastest football player for his size and maybe one the best players I’ve ever seen. He actually is physically as talented as Gurley, and that’s insane.
2) Barron’s shift to WLB. I saw on the stat sheet they posted for Donald that Barron, when combining “stuffs AND sacks” is tenth in the NFL … that’s crazy because he only has 1.5 sacks. That’s 15 TFL, more than one a game. Wow. I’m betting we can sign him for something that makes sense and keep him and Tree and have the fastest OLBs in football.
3) Trumaine … ugh it hurts to think of how many millions he makes each time he comes down with the ball or breaks up a play. But what a two game stretch for him too. Shutting down CJ and then coming back strong the following week. I think we can onl;y keep one of the two guys, and now the “who” I would keep may be even at 50/50 between the two. (I know many prefer him, but I see Jenks freak athleticism and hips and have been putting him above)
Thoughts? Jenks at 11 million a year and Tru at 8 … who would you keep? Any guesses on how much they get?4) Gurley … not at all upset by his slow games. His goalline awareness is some crazy Quantum theory superpositioning stuff … he knows the exact spot on the field he can get the nose over the endzone from … he’s like the Chris Carter of RBs. I am so impressed with his ability and his focus.
The Good
5) Case played within himself, made the right reads, and didn’t make any major mistakes … I have NO idea what our QB situation is going forward, but IM glad I get to watch him the rest of the year vs. Foles.
6) Mcleod is really solid. Watching him come up and play the face version of patty-cake with Doug Martin over and over was inspiring. I mean he’s giving up 30 pounds. Seriously. Contract #s? Ideas, thoughts? I’d love to keep him. Im finally all on board with that.
7) Cook played his best game as a Ram IMO. He made contested catches and and ran through tackles … I have no idea what to do with him at the end of the year if he keeps this up.
8) Britt is playing like he wants to keep his job. My bet is Quick walks and Britt stays to tutor and play his career out here as a slowly fading vet.
9) Roberson is solid depth, pretty impressive find with him.
10) Wichmann is the guy I want at OG next year rather than Saffold. He’s dependable with heavy hands and is developing better pass pro every game.
11) G Rob still has some lunges, but for the most part I’m seeing real improvement … and the holding calls are gone now. He also had a really sick pancake on the Austin TD.
12) Austin seems to have a home, 10 TDs is real.
13) Boras called a solid, imaginative game … gotta wonder why Cignetti was promoted over him, but hey, Boras still has a few more games to not do well and I could change my mind.
14) Backup line played pretty well …
The Bad
15) Barnes needs to be upgraded. I’m sick of seeing guys run all the way around him and through him. Garrett Reynolds too.
16) Quick has not come back from the injury, that’s just a bummer.
The Ugly
17) ST penalties. the guys need to get it in their heads that Austin can get away from the guys they hold.
18) Nick Foles’ contract going into next year.
I have no idea what the deal is with QB … so Ill run both scenarios. I have a deep DB class for depth so not drafting any .. will get UDFA
College mock 1, QB
1) 1-14 – Christian Hackenburg 4th QB off the board. Most naturally gifted IMO.
2) Leonte Carroo
2) Lawson (either of the two)/Bullard
3) Leggett TE Clemson (6-6 250, moves like Josh Reed, but bigger)
4) Jack Allen OC
6) Quinshad Davis UNC 6-4 210 WR (walt’s has him here)
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College mock 2, no QB
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1) Laquan Treadwell/Mike Thomas
2) OJ Howard TE
2) Lawson/Bullard
3) Josh Forrest UK MLB (redshirt one year) 6-4 255, ex WR (going to run a 4.6 flat, should be a first rounder, but it’s a great year at MLB)
4) Jack Allen OC
6) Quinshad Davis UNC 6-4 210 WRCayleb Jones jumped out today in his bowl game … more Im betting will change, but I like these picks ..
A late note : If Nkemdiche falls because of his arrest and fall, I take him. He’s a freak.
alyoshamucci is the best guy on the draft. He really gets into it. I just sort hit high spots to satisfy my curiosity.
AgamemnonTop 20 2016 Unrestricted free agents
Every game, all season
1. Von Miller, Denver Broncos linebacker: Miller has been one of the best overall defensive players in the league since he was drafted. He’s as strong stopping the run as he is coming off the edge. There’s no way the Broncos will let him hit the market.
2. Josh Norman, Carolina Panthers cornerback: There’s nothing like having your breakout season in a contract year. Norman has been the best cornerback in football this year and is a legitimate Defensive Player of the Year candidate. He’s not going anywhere.
3. Muhammad Wilkerson, New York Jets defensive end: Sheldon Richardson and Leonard Williams were splashy draft pick additions, but Wilkerson is still the best defensive lineman on the Jets. New York has played hardball in negotiations thus far with Wilkerson, but the franchise tag has to be an option here.
4. Alshon Jeffery, Chicago Bears wide receiver: He might not be the most refined receiver in the league, but few are better at catching deep balls. He’s fourth in the league in receiving yards-per-game and topped 1,400 yards in 2013.
5. Cordy Glenn, Buffalo Bills offensive tackle: True franchise left tackles are awfully hard to find. That’s why he’s a strong candidate for the franchise tag.
6. Jason Pierre-Paul, New York Giants defensive end: He’s still disruptive despite playing with a club over his injured hand. There has to be a chance JPP will only get better as he learns how best to play with his disadvantage, and the ceiling here is tremendous. Still, he has struggled to wrap up opposing running backs. Can he finish plays?
7. Eric Berry, Kansas City Chiefs safety: Berry has come back from his cancer scare better than ever. Strong safety play is hard to find and Berry has the versatility teams are looking for.
8. Malik Jackson, Broncos defensive tackle: Like Norman, he’s having a career year in a contract season. It’s hard to find interior pass rushers like Jackson just entering his prime.
9. Doug Martin, Buccaneers running back: He won’t make the same money as the guys listed above (and below) him here because of the position he plays, but no one has helped their value more this season. Martin has gone from an afterthought to the No. 2 rusher in the NFL.
10. Bruce Irvin, Seattle Seahawks linebacker: He isn’t a defense-changing talent, but he’s also better than you think. Irvin is a quality versatile starter.
11. Russell Okung, Seahawks tackle: Even if Okung is only an average starter, he’s going to get paid in this market. If he makes it there.
12. Eric Weddle, San Diego Chargers safety: Weddle has a skill set that tons of teams are looking for to shore up the back end of their defenses. His age (30) works against him, but few safeties have been better over the last five years.
13. Sam Bradford, Philadelphia Eagles quarterback: This season has not helped Bradford’s value, yet there would be no shortage of teams willing to give Bradford a try if the Eagles don’t want to re-sign him.
14. Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins quarterback: Replacement level starting quarterbacks are worth plenty, and that appears to be Cousins’ floor. At worst, he’s a poor man’s Andy Dalton with room to improve over time. He has more value to the Redskins than anyone else.
15. Matt Forte, Bears running back: One of the league’s most complete backs has not shown many signs of age yet. Perhaps he should be paired with another quality option, but there’s no doubt he could upgrade many backfields.
16. Andre Smith, Cincinnati Bengals right tackle: How will Smith react to getting paid big bucks (again)? While his career has included some ups and downs, Smith has often been a top-shelf starter.
17. Danny Trevathan, Broncos linebacker: Trevathan is a three-down linebacker entering his prime that can hold up in pass coverage. We’re big fans of his skill set and he’s just the type of above-average starter that gets paid like a superstar in free agency.
18. Janoris Jenkins, St. Louis Rams cornerback: He’s steadily improved each season in the league and now is a playmaking starter.
19. Brock Osweiler, Broncos quarterback: It’s hard to imagine John Elway letting his promising young starter hit the market, although this will be a tricky contract to pull off.
20. Derrick Johnson, Kansas City Chiefs linebacker: Yes, he’s 33 years old. But watch him play this year! He would be a great short-term pickup for a team that needs instant leadership.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000602379/article/top-20-unrestricted-free-agents-for-2016
AgamemnonI am on the Treadwell bandwagon. He might be another Anquan Boldin. There might be a dozen guys out there that are better than Britt and I think Britt is a fine WR, just not a #1.
I am not much on outside FAs. I liked Sanu in the draft. But, I don’t care to give out really high contracts to FAs cause it is so hard for them to perform up to that contract. imo
AgamemnonYou know, I’m not sure CB is a position of need. Jenks and TruJo are FAs but I bet the Rams are able to resign at least one of them and between Gaines, Roberson and Joyner I think they are in good shape. I’m not saying they shouldn’t draft a CB but I’d rather use the early round picks where they are weak – like at WR where I think they need a true #1.
nittany, I am just showing that there are a lot of options for the Rams. I am not sure there is a true #1 WR in this draft, but there are a lot of really good WRs and maybe some of them can be a #1. The Rams are probably deepest at DB and they have the cap space to resign any or all if they choose, unless somebody pulls a Barksdale. imo
AgamemnonFisher should be fired because he should have made the RG3 trade, then traded Bradford to the Walrus, who wanted him anyway, then drafted Cousins instead of Givens in the 4th round. Can’t argue with that, can you! 😉
Agamemnon
I count 6 good CBs in the draft. The thing is, there are maybe 7 teams that have CB as their primary need. That makes using a first round pick on a CB probably the only sure way to get a good one.
AgamemnonWhat it all means to me is if the Rams don’t sign all their FAs that they want to, they can fix that in the draft. This draft sets up uniquely well in that regard. No matter how things go we will get at least 5 good players and our team will be better after the draft. imo
Agamemnonwhat would you say are the deepest positions in this draft?
WR, then DE, then CB. Other teams needs run opposite, CB, DE, WR.
Another feature of the draft is, the quality, that runs good CBs, then WRs, then DEs. imo
AgamemnonDon’t be shocked if the Chargers draft Goff. They own the third pick. Cleveland will take Paxson Lynch at 2, barring the Titans don’t trade the first pick.
That is true, Jack. Even if they don’t, SF will and probably Philly. imo
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000551301/article/2016-nfl-draft-order-and-needs-for-every-team
These guys list Browns, Cowboys, 49ers, Eagles, and Texans with QB as their primary need.
AgamemnonI think CoachO makes a good point, though still, none of that is an argument against drafting or signing a WR for 2016.
They probably lost Bailey, and Quick may never recover to the point of being effective.
That leaves them with Welker, Britt, Tavon (who I don’t really count as a pure receiver), and Marquez.
They need to add a guy
I think that as a group, our WRs can’t be described as anything more than average. I think we can draft two WRs and two TEs in this draft that are better than what we have. Doing that transforms our pass catchers into a strength. I believe creating another strength is the way to go.
AgamemnonFor-The-Love-Of-GOD-Can-The-Rams-Draft-A-Good-ROUTE-RUNNER
FTLOG-CRDAGR
I’m just going to keep repeating that
until it comes true…FTLOG-CRDAGR.w
vCorey Coleman, Darcus Robinson, Tyler Boyd, and Corey Davis are WRs that have been described as “route runners”.
Agamemnon
For some reason CBS doesn’t have Travin Dural listed. He should probably go in the second round. imo
Agamemnonimage: http://walterfootball.com/college/OhioState_logo.gif
Michael Thomas*, WR, Ohio State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 212.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round (2015): 1-2.
12/5/15: In 2015, Thomas has 349 receptions for 709 yards and eight touchdowns. He impressed in the season opener with his battling of Virginia Tech cornerback Kendall Fuller. After moving the chains on a third down, Thomas burned Fuller for a 26-yard touchdown on a stop-and-go that Fuller bit on.Thomas has an impressive combination of size and speed. He could be the most well-rounded prospect at his position.
8/10/15: Thomas was the Buckeyes’ possession receiver in 2014 with Devin Smith serving as the deep threat. Thomas caught 54 passes for 799 yards and nine touchdowns on the season. He also dealt with a running quarterback in J.T. Barrett for much of the year. With Smith in the NFL, Thomas could have a big season if the Buckeyes go with the cannon-armed Cardale Jones as their starting quarterback.
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Laquon Treadwell*, WR, Ole Miss
Height: 6-2. Weight: 229.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2016): 1-2.
12/5/15: This year, Treadwell has 76 receptions for 1,082 yards and eight touchdowns. He hasn’t shown the speed to separate from defensive backs, thus he’s not a high first-round talent. Treadwell is a possession receiver for the NFL. He is good after the catch and can win contested passes, but won’t stretch a defense with speed. Treadwell is a tremendous blocker.8/10/15: Treadwell had 48 receptions for 632 yards and five touchdowns in 2014 before an ugly knee injury ended his season. Treadwell is a natural receiver who causes a lot of mismatches. He was one of the top recruits in the nation, and as a freshman, he was immediately effective against SEC defensive backs. Treadwell caught 72 receptions for 608 yards with five scores in 2013.
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Corey Coleman*, WR, Baylor
Height: 5-10. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round (2016): 1-3.
12/5/15: This year, Coleman has 67 receptions for 1,314 yards and 20 touchdowns. He’s dominated some weaker competition, and has been a vertical play-maker with the speed to score on any reception. Coleman uses his speed and route-running to consistently get separation from defensive backs.8/10/15: Coleman had a strong 2014 season as one of the top receivers for Bryce Petty. Coleman was a vertical weapon who averaged 18 yards per reception. He totaled 1,119 yards on 64 receptions with 11 touchdowns. Coleman also ran the ball 11 times for 53 yards and a score. The junior is a smaller speed receiver who should produce another big year in the Bears’ point-machine offense.
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Demarcus Robinson*, WR, Florida
Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.53.
Projected Round (2015): 1-3.
12/5/15: Robinson has 47 catches for 505 yards with two scores in 2015. His opportunities were limited in the early going because he was supposedly in Jim McElwain’s doghouse, but McElwain said the light had gone on and he felt that Robinson was rounding into form.Then, Robinson was suspended for the Florida State game. This marked the fourth contest that he has been suspended from in the past three seasons. Sources say that Robinson has had a number of failed drug tests for pot.
Sources say they love Robinson’s game and he’s a first-round talent. However, they think the off-the-field concerns could have the potential to send Robinson into the late rounds, or even the undrafted ranks, depending on how things go in the lead up to the draft and in his team interviews. Robinson is said to love football, but needs guidance and structure. Teams love his route-running despite Florida lacking a wide receiver coach in two of the last three seasons entering 2015.
8/10/15: Robinson produced in 2014 despite weak quarterback play. He hauled in 53 passes for 810 yards and seven touchdowns. Robinson showed a combination of speed to get separation and an ability to win 50-50 passes. Double coverage and the poor quarterback play held back what could have been a massive season in 2014.
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Tyler Boyd*, WR, Pittsburgh
Height: 6-2. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round (2016): 1-3.
12/5/15: In 2015, Boyd has totaled 85 receptions for 873 yards and six touchdowns. He has 35 carries for 294 yards, too. Boyd is seeing tons of extra coverage attention. He was suspended for the 2015 season opener because of a DUI arrest during the offseason.8/10/15: In 2014, Boyd notched 78 receptions for 1,126 yards and eight touchdowns. The junior has speed to go with his size. He was impressive against good defensive backs last year, including Virginia Tech’s tough secondary. Boyd has enough speed to get separation with a burst to rip off yards after the catch. He runs good routes, is very physical, has reliable hands, tracks the bell extremely well, makes acrobatic catches and out-fights defensive backs for 50-50 balls.
In Boyd’s first game for the Panthers in 2013, he gave Florida State some problems. That set the tone for him to break a lot of Larry Fitzgerald’s freshman records. Boyd caught 85 passes for 1,174 yards with seven touchdowns in 2013. He also ran for a score and returned a punt for a touchdown.
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Mike Williams*, WR, Clemson
Height: 6-3. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round (2015): 2-3.
12/5/15: If Williams hadn’t gotten hurt in the 2015 season opener, he could have been the top wide receiver prospect for the 2016 NFL Draft. Williams ran into the goal post against Wofford after making a leaping touchdown reception and had to be carted off the field. He suffered a small fracture in his neck, but won’t need surgery after wearing a brace. Clemson said the injury is not career threatening, but Williams will not play again in 2015.8/10/15: With Sammy Watkins in the NFL, Williams took over as Clemson’s lead receiver in 2014 and caught 57 passes for 1,030 yards and six touchdowns. He made 20 catches for 316 yards and three scores as a freshman in 2013. Williams has a nice combination of size and speed. He is able to stretch the field vertically and make tough catches. If sophomore quarterback Deshaun Watson can stay healthy, it wouldn’t be surprising if Williams has a massive 2015 season.
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Corey Davis*, WR, Western Michigan
Height: 6-3. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round (2015): 2-3.
12/5/15: Sources label Davis as long, fast and athletic. He has impressed evaluators with good route-running, hands and deceptive speed, too. Davis has been said to be banged up this year, but he has still produced with 82 receptions for 1,253 yards with 11 touchdowns. Last season, Davis was excellent with 78 catches for 1,408 yards and 15 touchdowns. He had quality production as a freshman as well (67-941-6).image: http://walterfootball.com/college/LSU_logo.gif
Travin Dural*, WR, LSU
Height: 6-2. Weight: 192.
Projected 40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round (2016): 2-3.
12/5/15: Late in the season, Dural tore his hamstring to end his junior year early. He totaled 28 receptions for 533 yards and three touchdowns on the season, but also had two long touchdowns against Mississippi State called back on penalties.Dural has a nice mix of size and speed. He’s a better prospect than his numbers illustrate, but he didn’t get a lot of opportunities playing in a running-based offense with a quarterback who really struggled to pass the ball.
8/10/15: Dural put together a breakout sophomore season despite poor quarterback play. He caught 37 passes for 758 yards and seven touchdowns in 2014. His play-making ability could be seen in his 20.5-yard average per reception. If Dural gets quality quarterback play, he could produce a lot more.
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Braxton Miller, WR, Ohio State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2015): 2-3.
12/5/15: Miller has 24 catches for 329 yards and three scores in 2015. As a runner, the former quarterback has 234 yards on 40 carries and a score. Miller has displayed natural hands with the speed, athleticism and explosion to get separation. He showed that his speed and athleticism make him a legitimate prospect as a receiver and runner.Miller was phenomenal against Virginia Tech with six carries for 62 yards, including a 53-yard touchdown run. As a receiver, he had two receptions for 78 yards with a 54-yard score. In speaking with sources, that tape really excited scouts about his NFL potential as a mismatch weapon.
8/10/15: Miller is said to be moving to wide receiver as a senior, which is better for his NFL hopes as he didn’t project as a pocket passer. Miller was out for the season in 2014 with a shoulder injury to his throwing arm. Miller previously had offseason surgery to the same shoulder before the re-injury during last season’s fall practice. In 2013, Miller completed 64 percent of his passes for 2,094 yards, 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions. His passing skills were somewhat improved, but he still had a long ways to go for the pros, hence his move to receiver. Miller rumbled for 1,283 yards and 12 touchdowns on the ground that season.
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Josh Doctson, WR, TCU
Height: 6-4. Weight: 195.
Projected 40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round (2015): 2-3.
12/5/15: In 2015, Doctson has 71 catches for 1,250 yards and 14 touchdowns. He didn’t impress in his matchup against Gopher corner Eric Murray, but he was electric in Big XII play.Doctson uses his size to make acrobatic catches in the end zone and along the sideline. He has good hands and tremendous leaping ability. Doctson missed the final two games of the regular season with a wrist injury. Some teams have graded out Doctson as a third-rounder.
8/10/15: Doctson hauled in 65 passes for 1,018 yards and 11 touchdowns in 2014. He had a huge increase in production over his sophomore (36-440-4) and freshman (35-393-5) seasons. Doctson produced almost a quarter of his yardage against Oklahoma State with seven receptions for 225 yards. He started out at Wyoming as a freshman and sat out the 2012 season after transferring.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2016WR.php#fPwYxcKO7pC1gQci.99
AgamemnonSD might be the only team with WR as their number one need and they are probably picking at 3, which is too high for a WR in this draft. So, the Rams with 3 picks in the top 50 could get their choice/s at that position.
AgamemnonPitt receiver Tyler Boyd adds his name to 2016 NFL Draft
By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
January 1, 2016 6:16 pm ETPitt junior wide receiver Tyler Boyd announced on Friday that he will skip his senior season and enter the 2016 NFL Draft. He leaves Pitt with the school record for career catches (254) and receiving yards (3,361).
Boyd is currently ranked as the No. 5 draft-eligible receiver in the 2016 class and projected top-50 pick by NFLDraftScout.com.
Although he didn’t surpass the 1,000-yard mark in 2015 (only season he failed to reach that milestone), Boyd set a new career-best with 91 catches, adding six touchdowns. With streaky quarterback play and running back James Conner sidelined for the 2015 season, the Pitt play-calling manufactured touches for Boyd, including hand-offs and screens, as he was the team’s best playmaker on offense.
Despite playing with three different starting quarterbacks each of his three years with the Panthers, Boyd produced consistent numbers each season, breaking several school records in the process. He has an instant accelerator to reach his top speed with his initial strides, using sharp cuts and burst off his plant foot to mix his gears in his patterns.
A graceful athlete, Boyd trusts his hands and uses quick eyes to snatch and immediately analyze his surroundings, but his lean body size (6-2, 200 pounds) does lead to durability concerns, especially over the middle. Despite average measureables, he is an exquisite catcher of the football and able to stand out by paying attention to the details.
Boyd can line up outside in the NFL, but he would thrive in a Jarvis Landry-type role in the slot, utilizing his quick hands to catch-and-go and weave through the defense.
I am on the Treadwell bandwagon, but there are a bunch of good (not great) WRs out there. Many of them would be better than anything we have now. imo
AgamemnonCowboys, 49ers, Rams best NFL fits for Cal QB Jared Goff
By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
December 29, 2015 5:40 pm ETWith California cruising to a 55-36 victory over Air Force in the Armed Forces Bowl on Tuesday, it is likely only a matter of time before junior quarterback Jared Goff officially announces that he will forgo his senior season and head to the NFL.
As such, the time has come to begin projecting which NFL team Goff — who completed 25 of 37 passes for 467 yards and six touchdowns without an interception in the win — projects to fit best.
Before taking a team-by-team approach, it is important to recognize what separates the 6-foot-4, 210-pound Goff from the other quarterbacks atop NFLDraftScout.com’s board.
When projecting quarterbacks to the NFL, so much attention is spent evaluating arms. While velocity and accuracy are obviously critical for success at the position, footwork and poise are equally important. These are two elements in which Goff excels.
Goff has enough velocity to make every NFL throw and he has spectacular touch on intermediate and deep routes, as demonstrated by this drop in the bucket for a touchdown Tuesday.
And this one a few moments later.
As was highlighted by ESPN’s commentators during the Armed Forces Bowl, however, it is Goff’s fundamentally sound footwork which earns his accuracy.
While Goff isn’t a true dual threat, he possesses the light feet and spatial awareness to buy time in the pocket, subtly side-stepping pass-rushers and stepping up when needed.
This is an important differentiation from stronger-armed passers like Michigan State senior Connor Cook and Penn State junior Christian Hackenberg, who occasionally spray passes because they fail to consistently step into their throws. These quarterbacks have the rifles to simply zip passes through the tight windows. Goff, conversely, relies more on anticipation and terrific ball placement to hit receivers as they make their cuts or simply lofting throws over the top of defenders.
Asking Goff to fire deep outs from the opposite hash or battle fierce winds in an outdoor stadium could lead to struggles in the NFL, which is why the Cleveland Browns, Chicago Bears or Buffalo Bills might want to look elsewhere if any of those franchises chooses to add competition at quarterback during the offseason.
While the ball-hawking secondaries of the NFC West would present a formidable challenge for Goff, the commitment to young running backs Todd Gurley and Carlos Hyde (when he’s healthy) for the St. Louis Rams and San Francisco 49ers could make the Cal quarterback an intriguing option. With opposing defenses committed to stopping the run, Goff’s technically sound footwork, accuracy on the move and touch on deeper passes could make him effective quickly — in much the same way that the similarly slim-built Teddy Bridgewater has performed for the Minnesota Vikings.
Goff, who grew up a 49ers fan in nearby Novato, California, and wears No. 16 in tribute to the great Joe Montana, would seem an obvious candidate for San Francisco general manager Trent Baalke. The 49ers are currently projected to take Goff with the fifth overall pick.
While being selected by his “hometown” 49ers would certainly make for a terrific human interest story, teams draft players based on schematic fits, not zip codes.
Because Goff has good accuracy and enough athleticism to keep defenses honest as a runner, a creative offensive mind like New York Jets offensive coordinator Chan Gailey could find Goff especially intriguing, as could Houston Texans head coach Bill O’Brien, who worked wonders with Hackenberg while at Penn State but is likely to be out of the Goff sweepstakes with his Texans fighting for a playoff spot.
While Goff shows some upper level traits (like the ability to look off defenders) to get scouts excited, it is worth noting the relative simplicity of the offense he starred in at Cal, a spread attack with plenty of predetermined reads.
As such, like most young quarterbacks, Goff would be best served learning for a year or two before getting pushed onto the field. Serving as an apprentice behind Tony Romo in Dallas, for example, could be ideal.
In summary, Goff isn’t a transcendent talent with the traits to wow scouts the way that Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota did a year ago. His blend of anticipation, accuracy, subtle athleticism and poise, however, project well to a quick-hitting offense that allows him to challenge down the seam and sidelines with his deft touch.
Jared Goff is the No. 2 QB in the NFLDraftScout.com prospect rankings. (USATSI)Jared Goff is the No. 2 QB in the NFLDraftScout.com prospect rankings. (USATSI)
I am not a true believer in Goff, but maybe Fisher is? The guy I like best is the QB for Ole Miss, but he isn’t in this year’s draft.
AgamemnonBoras is fine. But, it really makes me no difference. I think getting better WRs and TEs is more important.
AgamemnonWhich qbs to watch in those games?
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Hogan on Stanford.
Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford
Height: 6-4. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2016): 4-6.
12/17/15: Hogan had a rough start to the season against Northwestern, but after that he had some good performances despite an ankle injury. Hogan was superb against USC to help push the Cardinal to a big upset and led a final-second comeback win over Notre Dame.Hogan has completed 69 percent of his passes this year for 2,644 yards with 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions. In his good games, he looks like an early-rounder; in his bad games, he looks like an undrafted free agent.
8/8/15: In 2014, Hogan completed 66 percent of his passes for 2,792 yards with 19 touchdowns and eight interceptions. He had five rushing touchdowns, too. Hogan was still streaky as a passer, looking inept at times and throwing excellent passes on other attempts. He needs to become more consistent in order to rise as a senior.
Hogan wasn’t as good as expected in 2013 as Stanford’s passing attack was underwhelming. For the year, he completed 61 percent of his passes for 2,630 yards with 20 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Hogan averaged 4.5 yards per carry for 314 yards on the ground with two touchdowns, too.
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AgamemnonFIESTA BOWL; 1 PM ET; ESPN
OHIO STATE (11-1) vs. NOTRE DAME (10-2)
These two teams were in serious consideration for a Final Four spot until they both lost their final games to Michigan State and Stanford respectively. The Championship Play-Off committee may have gotten lucky that they both fell. The next luckiest entity is the Fiesta Bowl itself for getting two such big name programs. This Bowl looks to be the most glamorous non-Play Off contest.
OHIO STATE may be the most talented program in the country from top to bottom, but while URBAN MEYER played coy at the QB position for half a season, the Buckeyes Offense never got itself into full gear. There were also times when MEYER’s offense looked like WOODY HAYES was sending him the play calls. The Buckeyes only attempted 294 passes all season. They ran the ball 500 times, which sounds to me like numbers from the Wishbone era. They ranked 98th in D-1 while averaging 187 passing yards per game. On the bright side, they ranked 11th in rushing Offense at 242 yards per game. Notre Dame ranked 60th against the run so it would seem that QB/J.T. BARRETT and his running stye of QB play should cause Notre Dame problems. Expect EZEKIEL ELLIOTT to add to his 1672 yards rushing and 19 TD on the season in this one.
NOTRE DAME may deserve a Purple Heart of some sorts for persevering in the the face of a seeming epidemic of injuries. Their leading rusher was a WR last year in C.J. PROSISE, who gained 1032 yards for 11 TD while averaging 6.6 ypc. QB/DeSHONE KIZER/#14 was a major surprise as a RS Frosh being forced into the starting job. He has the receivers and running game to lead the Irish to points, if the Notre Dame OL can handle the Buckeyes front seven led by guys named BOSA/LEE/PERRY.
The talent on these two teams look like an NFL Combine list. I give BRIAN KELLY, his staff and players for persevering to 10-Wins given their injury lists each week and a schedule that included 6 other Bowl teams. But I think the relatively healthy Buckeyes will be too much to handle as he night wears on. Expect a fairly high scoring game with Ohio State pulling away in the second half. Prospects to watch:OHIO STATE NOTRE DAME
#3 MICHAEL THOMAS/WR 6’3/210 JR #2 CHRIS BROWN/WR 6’2/195
#1 BRAXTON MILLER/WR 6’1/215 #7 WILL FULLER/WR 6’0/180 JR
#11 VONN BELL/S 5’11/205 JR #9 JAYLON SMITH/LB 6’2/235 JR
#15 EZEKIEL ELLIOTT/RB 6’/225 JR #20 CJ PROSISE/RB 6’1/220 JR
#37 JOSHUA PERRY/LB 6’3/255 #22 ELIJAH SHUMATE/S 6’/215 INJ
#57 CHASE FARRIS/OG 6’5/310 #45 ROMEO OKWARA/DE 6’4/260
#68 TAYLOR DECKER/OT 6’7/315 #72 NICK MARTIN/C 6’5/301
#81 NICK VANNETT/TE 6’6/260 #78 RONNIE STANLEY/T 6’6/315 rJR
#92 ADOLPHUS WASHINGTON/DT 6’4/295 SUS #91 SHELDON DAY/DT 6’2/290
#97 JOEY BOSA/DE 6’6/275 JRROSE BOWL; 5 PM ET; ESPN
IOWA (12-1) vs. STANFORD (11-2)
Iowa may be one of the great surprise teams of the past decade with their perfect 12-0 Big Ten regular season. But some of their shortcomings were exposed against the Spartans. And one of those is likely to come up again in their match-up with Stanford. Their lack of quality depth could allow Stanford to wear them down and pull away in the 4th Quarter of play. Iowa will be counting heavily on their 20th ranked Defense to hold down the 39th ranked Stanford Offense. But I’m not sure how they shut down Stanford’s young super star CHRISTIAN McCAFFREY/#5. McCaffrey led D-1 in total offense, with 3469 total yards, which broke the record of BARRY SANDERS. He does it all with smarts, speed and moves that break defenders’ ankles. The Hawkeyes secondary may have a few surprises in place to slow down QB/KEVIN HOGAN and his receivers. One of the biggest may be CB/DESMOND KING, who led the nation with 8 INT in 2015. He’s an all around player as evidenced by his 67 tackles on the Corner. IOWA’s tough D also featured two players with over 100 tackles in the LB combo of JOSEY JEWELL & COLE FISHER.
Iowa’s pedestrian Offense will have a tough time pounding out yardage all day against a stout and deep Cardinal D. BLAKE MARTINEZ/ILB leads that crew with his 132 tackles this season. STANFORD’s D ranked 44th overall this season, while the Iowa O was 67th overall.
Either way you slice it the nod goes to Stanford. Just like Michigan State got out-classed and out-muscled last night against Alabama, I expect this to not be close when the final gun sounds. Sorry Big Ten. Prospects to Watch:IOWA STANFORD
#4 TREVAUN SMITH/WR 6’2/205 #4 BLAKE MARTINEZ/ILB 6’2/247
#14 DESMOND KING/CB/RS 5’11/200 JR #8 KEVIN HOGAN/QB 6’4/225
#27 JORDAN LOMAX/S 5’10/205 #21 RONNIE HARRIS/CB 5’10/175
#33 JASON CANZERI/RB 5’9/192 #48 KEVIN ANDERSON/OLB 6’4/245
#36 COLE FRAZIER/LB 6’2/235 #51 JOSHUA GARNETT/OG 6’5/325
#63 AUSTIN BLYHE/OC 6’3/290 #78 KYLE MURPHY/OT 6’7/300
#65 JORDAN WALSH/OG 6’4/290 #89 DEVIN CAJUSTE/WR 6’4/229
#80 HENRY KREIGER-COBLE/TE 6’4/250 AgamemnonThe 49ers wish they were the Raiders or Cleveland. Yeah, Cleveland. They wish they were Cleveland. 😉
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