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    rams 1st 4th round pick…tyler higbee TE

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    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/tyler-higbee?id=2555364

    Western Kentucky has had a bit of a run at the tight end position the past few years, with Jack Doyle drafted by the Colts in 2013 and Mitchell Henry getting his shot with multiple teams last summer. Higbee could be the best of the trio. The converted receiver added weight to his frame and when given the chance to show his stuff against Marshall as a junior, made six catches for 99 yards and three scores. He built on that in 2015, teaming up with two-time Conference USA MVP to put up some of the best numbers for any tight end in the country (38-563, eight TD) despite missing five-plus games with a knee injury.

    Pro Day Results
    Bench: 18 reps of 225 pounds
    Analysis
    Strengths Former wide receiver with a smooth, wide­-open gait when he hits top gear. Has big hands. Had just one drop this season and showed ability to recover the catch when he juggled a throw. Becomes a body catcher who can protect the ball in traffic. Willing to work middle of the field and take hits. Quick and slippery off line of scrimmage and into routes. Very good acceleration out of his breaks and can be a tough cover for safeties. Has the speed and toughness to work all three levels of the field. Can own the Y­-seam with his vertical speed and hands. Immediately opens and looks for expedited throws when he’s over the top of inside linebackers. Has frame for more muscle mass. Extremely competitive after the catch with speed, elusiveness and decent power. Can carry body tacklers after the catch.
    Weaknesses Still has work to do filling out his frame. Slow to adjust to blocking assignment during flow of play. Not powerful enough yet to handle NFL edge power as in­line blocker. Doesn’t run feet through block to sustain. Upright into his breaks. Needs route polish for underneath routes. Can get better at creating additional leverage through crisper routes. Suffered through a knee sprain that cost him four games before re-aggravating it in Conference USA Championship Game. Missed his bowl game and expected to miss Senior Bowl because of it.
    Draft Projection Round 4
    NFL Comparison Jordan Cameron
    Bottom Line Knee injury basically took six games away from him this season which could cause him to fly under the radar a little bit. Higbee has exciting athleticism and speed in the open field with the ability to separate from safeties on intermediate routes and threaten the deep middle. Higbee has soft, reliable hands and plus run-­after­-catch ability to finish plays. While he needs to beef up his frame and blocking ability, there is no doubting his pass catching talent.

    Good pass catcher. I don’t think he has been tasered.

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    in reply to: different peoples "who's left on day 3" lists #42933
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    in reply to: Tweets 4/30 #42932
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    in reply to: NFL Radio & more access info #42927
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    Do you want ‘buyer beware links?’.

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    in reply to: Tweets 4/28 – trades [Foles & Keenum] #42926
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    Ian Rapoport says, “There is a market for Foles. Don’t be surprised if he is traded today.”

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    If Tom Brady has Gurley, he is not going to use him? :)

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    If Fisher has Tom Brady, he is not going to use him?

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    Fisher loves Goff more than Gurley. 😉

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    in reply to: different peoples "who's left on day 3" lists #42894
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    Yeah, deep draft. Maybe we can do something like this?

    Then get some defensive udfas, cause they are better at doing that. 😉

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    What’s your sense, ag? Any picks out there? Is this draft as deep into the 4th round as we heard it was?

    Yeah, there are plenty of guys to pick from. WRs. TEs. RBs. DL. LBs. DBs. Whatever they want. There is somebody to help.

    At least until pick #200. Anyone after that is essentially an udfa anyway. imo

    We can find 4 draft choices that figure to make the team and maybe a starter at WR. imo

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    UPDATED GBN BIG BOARD


    UPDATED GBN BIG BOARD

    Over the course of the draft we will be updating the GBN Big Board as the picks are made to show who are the top-rated prospects still available.

    *Andrew Billings DT 6-1, 305 Baylor
    Connor Cook QB 6-4, 220 Michigan State
    Josh Perry OLB 6-3, 255 Ohio State
    Dak Prescott QB 6-2, 230 Mississippi State
    Devontae Booker RB 5-11, 215 Utah
    *Hassan Ridgeway DT 6-4, 305 Texas
    Kentrell Brothers MLB 6-1, 245 Missouri
    Kenneth Dixon RB 5-9, 215 Louisiana Tech
    *Jerald Hawkins OT 6-5, 310 LSU
    *Jordan Howard RB 6-0, 225 Indiana
    Christian Westerman OG 6-3, 300 Arizona State
    Jalen Mills CB 6-1, 190 LSU
    Pharoh Cooper WR 5-10, 210 South Carolina
    Connor McGovern OG 6-4, 305 Missouri
    *Cardale Jones QB 6-4, 250 Ohio State
    Travis Feeney OLB 6-4, 230 Washington (X)
    Jeremy Cash SS 6-1, 212 Duke
    *Sheldon Day DE 6-2, 285 Notre Dame
    Charles Tapper DE 6-3, 271 Oklahoma
    Joe Dahl OG 6-4, 305 Washington State
    Ryan Smith CB 5-11, 190 North Carolina Central
    Jerell Adams TE 6-5, 235 South Carolina
    Seb Tretola OG 6-4, 315 Arkansas
    Miles Killebrew SS 6-2, 230 Southern Utah
    *Willie Henry DT 6-4, 310 Michigan
    De’Vondre Campbell OLB 6-4, 232 Minnesota
    Kevin Hogan QB 6-4, 220 Stanford
    Vadal Alexander OG 6-5, 325 LSU
    Caleb Benenoch OT 6-6, 310 UCLA
    Harlan Miller CB 6-0, 180 Southeastern Louisiana
    Kolby Listenbee WR 6-1, 185 TCU
    *Rashard Robinson CB 6-2, 170 LSU (O)
    *Paul Perkins RB 5-10, 210 UCLA
    BJ Goodson MLB 6-1, 242 Clemson
    Willie Beavers G/T 6-5, 325 Western Michigan
    Eric Striker OLB 5-11, 230 Oklahoma
    *Alex Collins RB 5-10, 225 Arkansas
    John Theus OT 6-5, 305 Georgia
    Joe Schobert OLB 6-2, 245 Wisconsin
    *Rashard Higgins WR 6-1, 190 Colorado State
    Dean Lowry DE 6-6, 295 Northwestern
    Jonathan Jones CB 5-9, 186 Auburn
    Jonathan Williams RB 5-10, 225 Arkansas (X)
    Tyler Matakevich MLB 6-0, 238 Temple
    *Kenny Lawlor WR 6-2, 195 California
    Kyle Murphy OT 6-6, 300 Stanford
    Matt Ioannides DT 6-3, 295 Temple
    Zack Sanchez CB 5-10, 180 Oklahoma
    *Scooby Wright MLB 6-0, 230 Arizona (X)
    Rees Odhiambo OG 6-4, 315 Boise State
    Matt Judon DE 6-3, 275 Grand Valley State
    *Jayron Kearse SS 6-4, 216 Clemson
    DJ Reader DT 6-3, 327 Clemson
    Eric Murray CB 5-11, 200 Minnesota
    Jacoby Brissett QB 6-4, 230 North Carolina State
    Aaron Burbridge WR 6-0, 205 Michigan State
    Victor Ochi OLB 6-1, 245 Stony Brook
    Daniel Lasco RB 6-0, 210 California
    Ronald Blair DE 6-2, 285 Appalachian State
    *Roger Lewis WR 6-1, 201 Bowling Green
    DeAndre Houston-Carson S 6-1, 201 William&Mary (CB)
    Keith Marshall RB 6-0, 200 Georgia
    Devon Cajuste WR 6-4, 235 Stanford
    Nile Lawrence-Stample DT 6-1, 320 Florida State
    Tom Hackett P 5-10, 200 Utah
    Joe Haeg OT 6-6, 305 North Dakota State
    *Steven Weatherly OLB 6-5, 267 Vanderbilt (DE)
    *Dominique Alexander MLB 6-0, 232 Oklahoma
    Ben Braunecker TE 6-4, 250 Harvard
    Kevon Seymour CB 6-0, 186 Southern California
    Glenn Gronkowski FB 6-2, 240 Kansas State (TE)
    Jason Fanaika DE 6-2, 271 Utah
    Tajae Sharpe WR 6-2, 195 UMass
    Dadi Nicolas OLB 6-3, 235 Virginia Tech
    *Kelvin Taylor RB 5-10, 207 Florida
    *Tyvis Powell FS 6-3, 211 Ohio State
    Blake Martinez MLB 6-2, 237 Stanford
    Evan Boehm C 6-2, 301 Missouri
    James Cowser DE 6-3, 248 Southern Utah
    *Bralon Addison WR 5-9, 197 Oregon
    Cole Toner OT 6-5, 306 Harvard
    *Thomas Duarte TE 6-2, 231 UCLA (FB)
    *Alex McCalister OLB 6-6, 240 Florida
    Landon Turner OG 6-3, 325 North Carolina
    Elandon Roberts OLB 6-0, 235 Houston
    Romeo Okwara DE 6-5, 265 Notre Dame
    Malcolm Mitchell WR 6-0, 200 Georgia
    Jatavis Brown OLB 5-11, 235 Akron
    Beau Sandland TE 6-5, 255 Montana State
    Deon Bush SS 6-1, 201 Miami
    Jeff Driskel QB 6-4, 234 Louisiana Tech
    DJ Pettway DE 6-2, 265 Alabama
    Josh Forrest MLB 6-3, 250 Kentucky
    Josh Ferguson RB 5-10, 200 Illinois
    *Quinton Jefferson DT 6-4, 291 Maryland
    Stephen Anderson TE 6-2, 230 California
    Tyrone Holmes OLB 6-2, 255 Montana
    *Denver Kirkland OG 6-5, 335 Arkansas
    Drew Ott DE 6-4, 277 Iowa (X)
    Keyarris Garrett WR 6-4, 220 Tulsa
    Jordan Lucas FS 6-0, 201 Penn State
    Aaron Wallace OLB 6-3, 242 UCLA
    Nate Sudfield QB 6-6, 234 Indiana
    Mo Canady CB 6-1, 193 Virginia
    *Wendell Smallwood RB 5-11, 210 West Virginia
    Fahn Cooper OT 6-5, 305 Mississippi
    Ian Seau OLB 6-2, 250 Nevada
    Jordan Payton WR 6-1, 207 UCLA
    *Ron Thompson DE 6-3, 253 Syracuse
    Bryce Williams TE 6-6, 257 East Carolina
    Greg Milhouse DT 6-2, 310 Campbell
    Spencer Drango OG 6-6, 315 Baylor
    Juston Burris CB 6-0, 212 North Carolina State
    *Cayleb Jones WR 6-3, 210 Arizona
    Terrance Smith OLB 6-3, 235 Florida State
    Brandon Shell OT 6-6, 325 South Carolina
    Theiren Cockran DE 6-5, 260 Minnesota
    Tyler Higbee TE 6-6, 250 Western Kentucky
    Montese Overton OLB 6-2, 223 East Carolina
    KJ Dillon FS 6-1, 210 West Virginia
    *Avery Young OT 6-5, 328 Auburn
    DJ White CB 5-11, 193 Georgia Tech
    Nick Kwiatkowski MLB 6-2, 243 West Virginia
    Darius Jackson RB 5-11, 220 Eastern Michigan
    David Onyemata DT 6-3, 300 Manitoba (CAN)
    Geronimo Allison WR 6-3, 196 Illinois
    Ugonnua Awuruonye DE 6-5, 255 Campbell
    *Alex Redmond OG 6-5, 296 UCLA
    Antwione Williams OLB 6-3, 245 Georgia Southern
    Brandon Allen QB 6-2, 217 Arkansas
    Derrick Kindred S 5-10, 207 TCU
    Ka’imi Fairbairn PK 5-11, 185 UCLA
    Jack Allen C 6-1, 295 Michigan State
    Morgan Burns CB 5-11, 200 Kansas State (KR)
    Hunter Sharp WR 6-0, 198 Utah State (RB)
    Antony Zettel DT 6-4, 277 Penn State (5T)

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    Rams say they have fielded trade offers for Nick Foles

    Rams say they have fielded trade offers for Nick Foles
    Posted by Michael David Smith on April 29, 2016, 2:23 PM EDT
    ST. LOUIS, MO – DECEMBER 6: Nick Foles #5 of the St. Louis Rams is sacked in the second quarter against the Arizona Cardinals at the Edward Jones Dome on December 6, 2015 in St. Louis, Missouri. (Photo by Michael B. Thomas/Getty Images) Getty Images

    After trading up to the No. 1 overall pick to draft quarterback Jared Goff, the Rams are looking to unload quarterback Nick Foles.

    Rams G.M. Les Snead told Shelley Smith of ESPN that “at least five” teams have reached out to inquire about acquiring Foles in a trade.

    It’s hard to imagine those teams are offering much more than a seventh-round draft pick for Foles, but the Rams might be able to get something for Foles before draft weekend comes to an end. That would leave them with Case Keenum as the veteran competition for Goff.

    Goff is expected to win the starting job, but Keenum told Snead he’s going to work hard to make the coaches at least consider keeping Keenum as the starter, which he was proclaimed to be before the Rams moved up for Goff.

    “I’m going to make it a difficult decision for you,” Keenum said, according to Snead.

    Foles won’t get that opportunity in Los Angeles, and will likely go elsewhere as a backup.

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    in reply to: NFL Draft Live – ESPN streaming now – link #42776
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    Watch Full Coverage of the NFL Draft Here Today 4/28/16

    This is streaming now. It is ESPN. It is 30 seconds behind cable.

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    in reply to: Greg Cosell's Draft Preview: added new (Podcast) #42762
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    Ross & Greg do their 2016 1st round Mock Draft plus Ross shares his draft day experience.

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    in reply to: NFL Draft Live – ESPN streaming now – link #42756
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    Published on Apr 27, 2016

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    +Alessandro Xavier yes, you can watch for free on http://www.NFL.com/Now, NFL Mobile, etc.

    https://www.nfl.com/now

    bump, But I am not sure exactly what these links will give you.

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    in reply to: qbs in the draft: Goff & Wentz #42750
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    in reply to: qbs in the draft: Goff & Wentz #42749
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    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:15206126

    At 1:24, the famous or not so famous, “Carson will win….., Carson will be in a Super Bowl.

    I have my own opinions on the whole trade-up, Wentz/Goff deal. If they want to do Goff, ok. Cause, I think they could win with Keenum and Goff should be better than him and I still have Mannion. 😉

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    in reply to: qbs in the draft: Goff & Wentz #42748
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/28760/whether-its-jared-goff-or-carson-wentz-rams-next-qb-will-need-time

    Tuesday, April 26, 2016
    Whether it’s Jared Goff or Carson Wentz, Rams’ next QB will need time
    By Nick Wagoner

    In his former life as a member of the Atlanta Falcons personnel department, Los Angeles Rams general manager Les Snead was part of the regime that selected quarterback Matt Ryan with the third overall pick in the 2008 NFL draft.

    The plan was to slowly work Ryan into the lineup while journeyman Chris Redman handled the starting duties. That lasted all of three weeks into the preseason before Ryan claimed the job.

    “Matt Ryan kind of won the job,” Snead said. “But there was never a moment that we said ‘Hey, we’ve got to start a rookie.’ Nowadays, with the transition from college to the NFL, I do think there should be some level of patience to make that adjustment because it’s a little bit different. That’s just reality.”

    As Snead and the Rams prepare to use the first overall pick in this year’s draft on a quarterback — Cal’s Jared Goff or North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz — they’re dealing with a reality that’s far different from the one Snead and the Falcons lived in eight years ago.

    Snead and coach Jeff Fisher are entering their fifth season in charge of the Rams. To this point, their guidance has yet to get the Rams a .500 season, let alone a playoff berth. The urgency wrought by four straight losing seasons forced them to sell the farm to trade up from No. 15 to No. 1 in this year’s draft. The goal? Fix a quarterback position that has combined for a league-worst QBR of 34.0 since 2007.

    In other words, the Rams not only need a quarterback but preferably one capable of starting in short order. So, how do Goff and Wentz rate when it comes to NFL readiness?

    When Les Snead and the Falcons drafted Matt Ryan in 2008, the plan was to start a veteran until Ryan was ready. But Ryan forced his way into the lineup early, and Snead, now the Rams GM, hopes to find a player in the draft who can do something similar.
    “No. 1, you’ve got to [really watch] the mental quickness, the arm quickness, the body quickness of each candidate, how well they communicate, their interaction with others, what is their interest level, their football intelligence,” ESPN NFL analyst Jon Gruden said. “Can they teach the game themselves? They have to be able to do that at this stage of the game.

    “Then you’ve got to go to the film and really take a good look. Can they make tight-window throws? Are they tough in the pocket? Can they solve problems? How are they in the tight red zone situation? Could they take care of the ball? Can they bring their team from behind? There are so many different things that you have to evaluate. And then, obviously, you look at the system, the training ground that they come from.”

    Many draft analysts believe Goff is more ready to play right away than Wentz, something that could appeal to the Rams, who are looking to win now. But being more ready than Wentz doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a plug-and-play option.

    At Cal, Goff spent more than 99 percent of his time working out of the shotgun. The Bears’ spread offense is an offshoot of the Air Raid offense built by Washington State coach Mike Leach. Goff’s offense rarely left him in a huddle spitting out NFL verbiage, instead requiring him to look to the sideline for play calls and adjustments. It’s a spread system in every sense of the word and bears little resemblance to the Rams’ pro style approach.

    In fact, Rams quarterbacks took the fewest snaps in the shotgun of all NFL teams in 2015 with 384. At February’s scouting combine, Goff said he began taking snaps under center right after the season.

    “There’s obviously going to be a transition and I think it happens, but there’s a transition with every quarterback coming from college to the NFL,” Goff said. “So I’m excited for it, honestly. I think I did a lot of stuff in college that does translate well and again there’s a lot of stuff I need to improve on. Again, I’m excited for that and excited to make the adjustments and that transition.”

    Coincidentally, Wentz has no such questions about his schematic pedigree. North Dakota State runs an offense that’s as close to an NFL system as you’ll find in college.

    “First of all, they get in a huddle,” Gruden said. “Can you imagine that? They get into a huddle with 11 men and they have to call a play. They get underneath the center. They use numerous personnel groupings. They’re not in the same one-back, one-tight end, three-receiver set the entire day. They use every formation, every shift in motion that you can use. They involve the quarterback at the line of scrimmage. He gets up there, and audibles, changes plays, changes protections. He doesn’t have to look to the sideline to get all the answers, and that is huge. Those elements alone distinguish their offensive system from most of the other colleges that I’ve seen in the last three or four years.”

    Likewise, Wentz has experience throwing every route on every drop and knows all of the progressions. Even with that knowledge, Wentz knows that he has plenty to learn upon his arrival in the NFL. Coming from an FCS school has left many questions about Wentz’s ability to transition to facing top competition. Yes, the playbook will be bigger, but more important, the competition will be faster.

    “I think right away the biggest challenge that myself, anybody standing up here at this podium is going to say is adjusting to that speed,” Wentz said. “You put on some NFL tape or you watch Monday Night Football, Sunday games or whatever, you realize these guys are playing fast. So you gotta adjust right away and learn to adapt pretty quick. I’m excited for that opportunity.”

    Chances are the Rams will provide either Goff or Wentz that opportunity sooner rather than later. Whether the quarterback they choose will be ready when that time comes remains to be seen.

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    I agree with Charles Davis.

    Wentz is just a better fit. The comparison to Wilson with Seattle and Cam with Carolina are good ones. It’s the type of threat he provides plus the type of offense they run plus the type of defense they have equals Wentz as the better choice. Nothing against Goff–but he would do better on a different type of team IMO.

    That said–if it’s Goff I’ll be excited and hope he does well. He has to.

    Goff defeats Truman/Wentz. 😉

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    http://www.marinij.com/sports/20160425/will-rams-choose-goff-or-wentz

    Will Rams choose Goff or Wentz?
    By Jon Wilner, Bay Area News Group

    Posted: 04/25/16, 6:38 PM PDT | Updated: 5 hrs ago

    The quarterback debate at the top of the NFL draft — should the L.A. Rams select Marin Catholic High grad Jared Goff or Carson Wentz? — is the latest iteration of a process that has played out many times over the decades, from Peyton Manning vs. Ryan Leaf and Aaron Rodgers vs. Alex Smith to Andrew Luck vs. Robert Griffin III and Jameis Winston vs. Marcus Mariota.

    The public discourse usually focuses on the tangibles, on arm strength and size and mobility and completion percentage and touchdowns.

    But at the highest level — the Goff and Wentz level — physical attributes are less important than a quality that cannot easily be measured, according to two of the most successful evaluators of quarterbacks in NFL history.

    For Bill Polian, the former Colts executive who picked Manning over Leaf, and Ron Wolf, the ex-Green Bay boss who saw potential stardom in a little-known Atlanta Falcons backup named Brett Favre, the evaluation is ultimately about mental strength, not arm strength.

    “The most important thing is the will to win,” Wolf said. “After that, the other attributes fall into place … What’s inside of a guy? Some have ‘it.’ A lot of guys don’t have ‘it.’”

    The trick, of course, is identifying “it,” for the evaluation process is fraught with deception and dead ends.

    For every Manning, there’s a Leaf.

    For every Luck, there’s a Griffin.

    For every John Elway, there’s a JaMarcus Russell.

    “It’s more art than science, which is why experience helps,” Polian said. “A lot of it is detective work.”

    Just as there are busts-in-waiting at the top of the draft — Tim Couch was a No. 1 pick — so are there diamonds in the later rounds: Joe Montana went in the third, Tom Brady in the sixth, Johnny Unitas in the ninth.

    Last season, six quarterbacks had a passer rating of 100 or more. Only one, Arizona’s Carson Palmer, was a first-round pick.

    “There are so many different things involved in it, and quarterbacks come in all different shapes and sizes,” 49ers coach Chip Kelly said. “There’s somewhat of a prototype, but then if you follow that the whole time, you don’t take a Russell Wilson.”

    Polian, a six-time NFL Executive of the Year, pinpointed three criteria that guided his quarterback evaluation process:

    Courage in the pocket.

    The willingness to remain patient under intense pressure and deliver the ball accurately into a narrow window.

    Nimble feet are a bonus, but Cam Newton-esque mobility is hardly essential.

    “Tom Brady isn’t a threat to run,” Wolf added, “but he has the wherewithal to step around in the pocket and make things happen. Same with Manning.”

    Processing speed.

    Quarterbacks, like fighter pilots, must analyze large amounts of information against an ever-shifting landscape, then act quickly — and efficiently — on the recalled information.

    The area of the brain responsible for the process, the central executive, cannot be measured by the Wonderlic Cognitive Ability Test given to prospects at the NFL scouting combine.

    “The Wonderlic is a benchmark, nothing more,” Polian said.

    While evaluating Manning prior to the 1998 draft, Polian and the Colts ordered up a series of intelligence tests and psychological evaluations. They talked to Manning’s coaches and his professors, all in an attempt to understand how his mind worked.

    The entirety of the feedback — “It was all marvelous,” Polian said — made Manning the clear choice over Leaf.

    Competitive greatness.

    For Wolf, this is the “it” factor.

    For Polian, it’s “the ability to will a team to success when the odds say no.”

    “It’s unmeasurable,” he added, “except with the naked eye.”

    But you have to know where to look.

    “The people who tell you are the (college) coaches,” Wolf said. “Are they keeping the ball in the quarterback’s hands when the chips are down, or taking it out of his hands?”

    Polian recalled scouting Luck during his final year at Stanford — the year Manning was hurt and the Colts tumbled into the No. 1 pick.

    He noted that Luck was at less than his best against Cal, at least for three-and-a-half quarters. But with the game on the line, Luck directed a 14-play drive that resulted in the game-clinching field goal.

    “When he had to get it done, he did,” Polian said.

    “I’ll never forget what one of our assistant coaches said to me during that season. He said, ‘For 13 years, we’ve gotten on the bus knowing that we had a better than even chance to win. But now (because of Manning’s injury), we don’t have that.”

    “Isn’t that the best description of what an exceptional quarterback does for an organization.”

    Which quarterback in the 2016 draft — maybe it’s Goff or Wentz; maybe it’s Paxton Lynch from Memphis — is the most likely to fill that role?

    Chances are, it’s the one who best performs the tasks not easily seen.

    “You can’t sustain greatness without intangibles,” said Jon Gruden, the Monday Night Football analyst and former Raiders coach.

    “How do they throw into tight windows? How do they throw under duress? How do they rally their team? How do they perform in critical moments? That’s why you have to spend a lot of time studying.”

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    in reply to: qbs in the draft: Goff & Wentz #42637
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    I heard speculation that Bradford wouldn’t do this if there wasn’t some other team interested. Denver? 😉

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    Wentz can fit any system and he can make himself a good player. Some players will be good no matter who coaches them. imo

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    in reply to: Bradford asked to be traded, wasn't, then… #42608
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    Let’s trade Foles back to Philly.

    Agamemnon

    in reply to: Report: Several teams interested in Nick Foles #42605
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    in reply to: Report: Several teams interested in Nick Foles #42600
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    Maybe a lot of teams think Fisher ruins QBs? 😉

    He is really really cheap.

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