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  • #33398
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    from off the net

    max

    Just heard Ross Tucker on Rams OL…Tucker is an ex-NFL OL who now does games, podcasts, radio, etc.

    He said he is surprised how much better the Rams OL is playing now. Said they were terrible to start the year and thought they would be bad all year, especially after Saffold went down, but they have improved significantly. And he credits the coaching as well. He said they are coming up with plays that cut the defense in half.

    He also said don’t look now, but the Rams are a threat in the NFC West now.

    He said the biggest problem is the WRs, but they may have enough with TA and Gurley.

    #33402
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    I think Tucker is qualified to comment on the OL. I think Havenstein and Barnes and Reynolds are playing better than I expected. I had faith in Havenstein, but Barnes and Reynolds are a bit of surprise to me.

    Agamemnon

    #33404
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    I dunno. I’m not sure why he would think they’d be bad all year.
    Seems reasonable to assume the young guys would get better.

    At any rate, i think playing SF would make any unit
    look better. Ya know. That is about as bad a SF team
    as i can remember. And I remember some teams where
    John Brodie was getting kilt on every other play.

    They might not win another game. Could be
    they’ll get the first pick.

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    #33414
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    but. the competition is also significantly weaker.

    green bay, pittsburgh, and seattle all rank in the top 10. cleveland and san francisco are in the bottom half.

    i wanna see how they do against cincinnati and detroit. they both rank in the top 10. i think that’ll be a better indication of where this oline is at. i think they’ve already shown they’ve got ability in run blocking.

    #33419
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    just thinking about greg robinson right now. i’m thinking his third year is the target year to see a breakout year. just given how raw he is. and the nature of the left tackle position. i still think he’s going to end up being a great pick there. just needs time.

    #33490
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    Robinson, Reynolds blending on the left side

    Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/robinson-reynolds-blending-on-the-left-side/article_65b001e3-debf-5458-8f8f-e5b5d60429e7.html

    Greg Robinson has yet to play a full season’s worth of left tackle in the NFL, but he has already had four different linemates at left guard.

    Chronologically, he has gone from Davin Joseph, to Rodger Saffold, to Jamon Brown, and now Garrett Reynolds on his immediate right. On a unit where chemistry, communication, and trust is of the utmost importance, Robinson has been doing a blocker’s version of speed-dating since he made his first start at left tackle last Nov. 2 at San Francisco.

    And at first, Robinson thought it might be an adjustment with Reynolds at left guard.

    “Because our playing style is a lot different,” Robinson said.

    How so?

    “He admits it,” Robinson explained. “He says, ‘Greg, you’re a lot more athletic than me.’ I can just move a little faster than him.”

    Reynolds doesn’t dispute the point.

    “I tell him that all the time,” Reynolds said. “He’s got more athletic ability in his leg than I do in my body. But that is completely fine with me. I’m just there. I tell him he’s the athletic guy, I just try to get in the way.”

    They are miles apart in terms of pedigree. Robinson was the No. 2 overall pick out of Auburn in the 2014 draft. Reynolds was a third-day guy, taken by Atlanta in the fifth round in 2009.

    One reason why the Rams selected Robinson instead of other highly-touted offensive tackle prospects in the ’14 draft such as Jake Matthews of Texas A&M or Taylor Leewan of Michigan was that athleticism. They felt he had a higher ceiling than the other prospects.

    So now here he is in his second NFL season, paired with Reynolds — an odd couple if you will on the left side of the line.

    “We balance each other out I guess you could say,” Reynolds said, smiling. “But it’s been good working over there. And it’s exciting to see where we’ll go.”

    Having just turned 23 (two weeks ago), Robinson is still learning his craft in the NFL.

    “I feel like I haven’t really reached full potential, but I’m still building,” Robinson said. “Run-blocking’s really just all effort, I feel. Pass-blocking’s more technique, just taking the proper steps that the coaches stress.

    “Like our hand placement on run-blocking, because when we’re playing guys that two-gap it’s kind of hard to really get a feel because you don’t know which direction they’re going.”

    After Saffold’s season-ending shoulder injury against Green Bay, the Rams switched Brown to right guard from left, and brought Reynolds off the bench to play left. The reason?

    In large part, to help make Robinson better faster. Coach Jeff Fisher summed up the reason for putting a veteran on Robinson’s side in two words.

    “The communication,” Fisher said. “Greg’s a long ways away from things out there at left tackle, so it’s good to have Garrett in there communicating with him.”

    There is no substitute for experience, and because Reynolds has been in the league for seven years — although not usually as a starter — he can help with line calls, checks, and just overall recognition.

    “I believe (experience) is the biggest resource that he has,” Robinson said. “I feel like it can only help me just by him being beside me. I can learn from him, and learn how to break things down.”

    Robinson said when he gets ready for a play, “I have to wait for things to line up” and then go through a sequence of things in his head. More often than not, Robinson said Reynolds knows what to expect before it even happens.

    “It’s pretty impressive,” Robinson said.

    “I’ve seen these looks and situations more than he has,” Reynolds said. “That’s where I can kind of help out. It might be a look, like, ‘Oh yeah, this happened to me a couple years ago.’ You’ve been in the situation in the heat of the moment and in the speed of the game.”

    But Reynolds says there have been times in their two games together where he’s had what he calls a “frozen moment” and Robinson has bailed him out.

    “So that’s where we do a good job of just communicating together and working together,” Reynolds said. “I think we’re improving play by play, just getting more comfortable with each other.”

    Obviously, the emergence of Todd Gurley at running back has made every blocker on offense look better. He’s that kind of back. But Robinson has made strides as a run blocker as the season has progressed. His athleticism helps him get those second-level blocks that turn short gains into bigger ones.

    Against Cleveland, for example, he had a couple of kick-out blocks that helped pave the way for runs of 10 yards-plus by Gurley.

    His pass-blocking remains a work in progress, with Robinson occasionally committing too early when it comes to engaging the pass-rusher and getting off-balance.

    “Greg’s been a little inconsistent at times, that’s the nature of that position,” Fisher said. “Left tackle’s a hard position to play. I think Garrett’s been a good influence on him.

    “Garrett’s playing well, he’s playing solid. He’s finishing plays. Getting down field. Doing all those kind of things.”

    Pulling from his left guard position to the right, Reynolds threw one of the key blocks on Gurley’s 71-yard touchdown run against San Francisco.

    “I saw him zip by, blinked my eyes, and he was 30 yards down field,” Reynolds said. “So he just takes off.”

    The vast majority of Reynolds’ playing time in the NFL has been on the right side — either right guard or right tackle — so he’s still getting used to playing on the other side in terms of footwork and balance.

    “It’s something where you keep getting used to it,” Reynolds said.

    Just like playing next to Robinson.

    #33528
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    PFF:

    RANKING ALL 32 NFL OFFENSIVE LINES THIS SEASON

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/11/04/ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-9/

    27. St. Louis Rams (25th)

    Pass blocking rank: 25th

    Run blocking rank: 28th

    Penalties rank: 28th

    Stud: First-year player Rob Havenstein (73.1) doesn’t look like a rookie.

    Dud: Sophomore Greg Robinson (34.4) does look like a rookie.

    Summary: There’s some talent on this offense, but this line is making them really max it out with their up and down efforts. We mentioned Robinson as the dud, but it’s a worry that he doesn’t seem to be progressing.

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    FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS:

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

    Run blocking: 23rd

    Plays stuffed: 26th

    Power success: 3rd

    Open Field Rank (ie. Yards which this team’s running backs earn more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage, divided by total running back carries): 1st

    Pass Protection: 12th

    #33530
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    looks like havenstein is quickly becoming a jon runyan type player for fisher.

    slightly worried about robinson. but again. i’m waiting until the end of next year to make any firm judgment on him.

    this line could be something else next year. it’s a slow simmer right now, but it could end up real good if we’re patient.

    i kind of blew this minnesota game off as not a real test for the offensive line, but i take that back. they’re decent in the pass rush. certainly better than anything the browns or the 9ers could muster up. so let’s see how they do.

    #33545
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    this line could be something else next year. it’s a slow simmer right now, but it could end up real good if we’re patient.

    Yeah, it’s crazy, but, they added 7 linemen this year. OTs: Havenstein, Williams and Battle. Guard/Tackle types: Donnal and Reynolds. Guards: Brown and Wichman. That’s a lot. And the quality looks intriguingly good. It’s entirely possible that they just don’t need to take a lineman in the coming draft.

    Plus of course there’s Barnes (who isn’t signed for next year), Robinson, Rhaney, and maybe even Saffold. That’s 11 so far and they will probably keep just 9. Who knows who else they might pick up as a UDFA or another “ronin” type vet who gets cut loose, like Person or Barksdale.

    Heck it already kind of shows. 2 guys they let walk are starters elsewhere–Person is the starting center in Atlanta, and Barksdale is not only starting in SD, he played some left tackle to cover for injuries.

    .

    #33656
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    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/11/06/pro-top-10-rookie-of-the-year-candidates-entering-week-9/

    Rob Havenstein, RT, St. Louis Rams: Havenstein is the most consistent of all the offensive tackles from the 2015 class.

    #33668
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    PFF:

    Rob Havenstein, RT, St. Louis Rams: Havenstein is the most consistent of all the offensive tackles from the 2015 class

    from off the net

    RockRam

    He is our best olineman and has been since about the 3rd game.

    Just que up the DVR and watch. You don’t have to be a football expert.
    He doesn’t hold. He doesn’t make false starts. As best as I can tell without knowing the line calls he’s blocking the right guy and not making mistakes.

    No sacks against him. And then watch how he run blocks. He isn’t a bruising physical guy; rather he does it with technique. His 320 lbs and length does the rest.

    He may not look athletic, or beastly strong. He’s just really really good and efficient. We have our answer at RT for a very long time if he stays reasonably healthy. And the nice part is that this isn’t a projection; it is actual NFL performance.
    A year or two of NFL weight training and diet, more refining of technique, and he is going to be as good as it comes at RT.

    At LT? That’s where I’m not so confidant. Although I truly think GRob is going to get it done eventually. It’s going to take the rest of this year, and another off season of refining technique and I think we’ll see it come together for 2016. He’s still thinking too much, lunging too much, and over reacting rather than letting the Dlineman come to him. But he is so powerful, so athletic, so intense and serious about his occupation, that I don’t see how he can’t become a very good LT in time.

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