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October 17, 2015 at 8:33 pm #32500znModerator
A closer look at what could be next for Rams and Rodger Saffold
Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Now that the St. Louis Rams have placed right guard Rodger Saffold on injured reserve with a shoulder injury, the obvious question that many are wondering is what is next for Saffold and the team?
Given that this is Saffold’s second shoulder surgery in as many years (one to each shoulder) and his long history of injury issues, it’s a fair question to ask. We can start by examining what remains on the five-year contract Saffold signed with the team in the 2014 offseason.
Here’s the breakdown of the remaining three years:
2016
Base salary: $4.5 million (guaranteed for injury only, becomes guaranteed on third day of league year)
Signing bonus: $1 million
Roster bonus: Up to $375,000 (bonus of $23,438 per game active)
Cash value: $4.875 million
Cap value: $5.875 million
2017
Base salary: $4,722,233
Signing bonus: $1 million
Roster bonus: Up to $375,000 (bonus of $23,438 per game active)
Cash value: $5,097,233
Cap value: $6,097,233
Notes: Saffold can void this season if he reaches certain incentives.
2018
Base salary: $5 million
Signing bonus: $1 million
Roster bonus: Up to $1.375 million (bonus of $23,438 per game active plus $1 million if still on roster third day of league year)
Cash value: $6.375 million
Cap value: $7.375 million
Notes: Saffold can void this season if he reaches certain incentives.
Should the Rams release Saffold, the only money that would count against the salary cap is what’s left of the prorated signing bonus. So in addition to the $1 million of signing bonus money scheduled to count next year, the remaining $2 million would accelerate upon his release for total dead money around $3 million. The Rams still would realize a net savings of around $3 million, but still have $3 million in dead money.
While Saffold’s $4.5 million base salary for 2016 currently is guaranteed for injury only and becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the league year, the Rams would have to make a decision before then. That means Saffold would need to pass a physical before then to be considered healthy enough to be released without an injury designation. Even if he were to pass and the Rams released him without the injury designation, Saffold still could theoretically file an injury grievance.
Of course, all of that is way down the line and assumes the Rams would release him. That’s no sure thing. The Rams have been patient with injured players in the past, bringing back high-priced veterans such as quarterback Sam Bradford, tackle Jake Long and center Scott Wells after serious injuries. But it should be noted that they parted ways with all three of those players when they suffered further injury.
On one hand, a $6 million cap hit isn’t an outrageous amount to pay a player with Saffold’s experience and versatility. And though he will have two surgically repaired shoulders, one could also argue that he’s at least had them fixed and should have fewer problems with them moving forward. For a young line, subtracting the most experienced lineman, even a year from now, is risky business without a suitable replacement lined up.
On the other hand, the Rams already have drafted youngsters Andrew Donnal and Cody Wichmann to groom for the future. Neither figures to play right away, but they’re both just another offensive line injury away from getting in the mix. If either plays and proves capable, it could make the decision easier. While $6 million isn’t a lot for a starting guard, it’s a lot for anyone who can’t stay on the field.
Regardless, we’ve reached a point where Saffold’s injury issues make it necessary for the Rams to at least weigh their options heading into the offseason.
October 17, 2015 at 8:49 pm #32501wvParticipantI think the two big factors are:
1 Is the post-surgery shoulder solid,
and,
2 What other free agent VET guards
would be available if they released Saffold.w
vOctober 17, 2015 at 10:17 pm #32505znModeratorWhat other free agent VET guards
would be available if they released Saffold.They are potentially on the hook for 4.5 M against the cap if they cut him. That’s an injury guarantee. That 4.5 M (if I am following this) is in addition to a hit on the signing bonus.
So probably better to keep him, whether or not he’s a starter.
My big issue is that he wasn’t playing well this year before the injury.
October 17, 2015 at 11:05 pm #32506InvaderRamModeratoryeah. i almost feel as though they’ll be better off this year with reynolds.
as for the future hopefully wichmann or the other guy will be ready by then.
October 17, 2015 at 11:30 pm #32507AgamemnonParticipant
2 THINGS: You save 3 million on this year’s cap and 1 million in cap space in 2017 and 1 million in 2018. you actually save 5 million cash but it is spread out.
Spotrac show us paying out 110 million on 38 contracts. So using the cap estimate for 2016 as 155 million, we have cap space of 45 million with Saffold.
I think the odds are they don’t keep him. But it is ok if they do. imo
October 17, 2015 at 11:37 pm #32508AgamemnonParticipantI think the two big factors are:
1 Is the post-surgery shoulder solid,
and,
2 What other free agent VET guards
would be available if they released Saffold.w
vIf they plan to spend the money on another vet guard, they might as well keep Saffold. imo
Maybe use some of Saffold’s cap space to resign Barnes? I like our young players on the Oline.
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October 17, 2015 at 11:43 pm #32509AgamemnonParticipantnext years draft’s biggest strength is DE. imo
We could replace player/s there Or we could just add one and go with 9 Dline again Or some combination of players.
With an extra 2cd in the 2016 draft and ~45 million in cap space for 2016, we are in good shape and can do most of whatever we want. i.e., we have plenty of draft capitol for talent and plenty of cap space for value. imo
Other teams need for 2106 seem to be mostly OT and CB, especially OT, DE, not so much. One plan could be to sign our DBs and draft DEs or anything else. 😉
We are in a position where we can do almost all of what we want and we don’t have to do anything specific. imo
I can’t remember a time when the Rams have had this much talent, draft capitol, and cap space all in combination. Maybe 1999-2001, but I think this is better, cause of our tremendous cap space. They had better talent and some draft space, but the cap was a killer. imo
October 18, 2015 at 12:15 am #32513znModeratorIf they plan to spend the money on another vet guard, they might as well keep Saffold. imo
Maybe use some of Saffold’s cap space to resign Barnes? I like our young players on the Oline.
Could you explain what Wagoner was talking about in regards to Saffold’s injury guarantee of 4.5. I would appreciate it.
October 18, 2015 at 12:19 am #32516znModeratorYou know I move some of these things because I think they would make cool threads. I hope you don’t mind.
For example I think this is a very interesting point:
I can’t remember a time when the Rams have had this much talent, draft capitol, and cap space all in combination.
October 18, 2015 at 12:22 am #32517AgamemnonParticipantYou know I move some of these things because I think they would make cool threads. I hope you don’t mind.
For example I think this is a very interesting point:
I can’t remember a time when the Rams have had this much talent, draft capitol, and cap space all in combination.
That is fine. I fixed it. cause I mostly did it to focus on Saffold. Making a separate thread is ok.
October 18, 2015 at 12:25 am #32518AgamemnonParticipantIf they plan to spend the money on another vet guard, they might as well keep Saffold. imo
Maybe use some of Saffold’s cap space to resign Barnes? I like our young players on the Oline.
Could you explain what Wagoner was talking about in regards to Saffold’s injury guarantee of 4.5. I would appreciate it.
If Saffold get paid his roster bonus for 2016, his salary for 2016 is guaranteed at that time. Usually is isn’t guaranteed until the actual first game for 4 year vets. That is the way I read it. It really isn’t a big thing.
That isn’t quite right. The bonus and the injury guarantee seem to be separate. March 3 is the date for that counts. Say, if Saffold was still on IR, his salary would be guaranteed, I think. That is maybe one reason why they decided to do his surgery now. So, he would be healed by March 3.
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October 18, 2015 at 12:50 am #32523znModeratorThat is fine. I fixed it. cause I mostly did it to focus on Saffold. Making a separate thread is ok.
My bad. Next time I will ask first. Every now and then I get an itchy trigger finger. Fair enough?
October 18, 2015 at 1:14 am #32524AgamemnonParticipantThat is fine. I fixed it. cause I mostly did it to focus on Saffold. Making a separate thread is ok.
My bad. Next time I will ask first. Every now and then I get an itchy trigger finger. Fair enough?
No problems. Everything works out..
October 18, 2015 at 9:32 am #32532znModeratorSay, if Saffold was still on IR, his salary would be guaranteed, I think. That is maybe one reason why they decided to do his surgery now. So, he would be healed by March 3.
Looking at all that, it seems like it would be more disruptive to let him go. If they have abundant cap space (granted before signing anyone) then rather than bring in a free agent, why not stay with Saffold.
My only problem with that is, no one really knows why he wasn’t playing well. Maybe he really never got over his injury from the summer.
One thing about shoulder surgeries. It is possible that shoulder surgeries, or at least some kinds, make the shoulder stronger. That’s unlike other injuries, which make that part of the body (whatever it is) less effective (like a knee).
I have no preference in this…just thinking out loud.
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October 18, 2015 at 9:43 am #32535AgamemnonParticipantSay, if Saffold was still on IR, his salary would be guaranteed, I think. That is maybe one reason why they decided to do his surgery now. So, he would be healed by March 3.
Looking at all that, it seems like it would be more disruptive to let him go. If they have abundant cap space (granted before signing anyone) then rather than bring in a free agent, why not stay with Saffold.
My only problem with that is, no one really knows why he wasn’t playing well. Maybe he really never got over his injury from the summer.
One thing about shoulder surgeries. It is possible that shoulder surgeries, or at least some kinds, make the shoulder stronger. That’s unlike other injuries, which make that part of the body (whatever it is) less effective (like a knee).
I have no preference in this…just thinking out loud.
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I don’t have a preference myself. This just gives the Rams an option to make a best choice. Maybe one of the younger players does well enough that he makes an impact on the decision? I think the best thing would be Saffold is healthy, he plays at a high level, and returns value for money.
October 23, 2015 at 1:40 am #32764znModeratorRams update: 5-month recovery for Saffold after surgery
Jim Thomas
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot…cle_c6d9d69e-ffec-5557-ad82-e076c7ecf201.html
Rams offensive lineman Rodger Saffold underwent surgery Wednesday in New York City to repair a torn labrum in his right shoulder.
“Everything went well,” said Saffold’s agent, Alan Herman. “He feels fine. Unfortunately, he misses the season.”
Dr. Frank Cordasco of the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York performed the surgery. Cordasco also performed surgery on Saffold’s left shoulder on Jan. 7.
Herman said the tear in Saffold’s right shoulder was more significant than the previous tear in his left shoulder, which is why both Rams doctors and Cordasco recommended surgery as a soon as possible for this latest injury.
Saffold played through the entire 2014 season with the injury to his left shoulder, wearing a harness. But the tear was such to the right shoulder that doctors felt Saffold couldn’t play with a harness this year, according to Herman, or at least play effectively.
Saffold should be healthy from this latest surgery in five months — or by mid March. He suffered the right shoulder injury blocking early in the team’s Oct. 11 game at Green Bay. He will be replaced in the starting lineup by Garrett Reynolds.
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