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    Brandon Staley’s Tweaks of the Rams Defense

    https://nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com/2020/09/brandon-staleys-tweaks-of-rams-defense.html

    The Rams let Wade Phillips go after three years as their defensive coordinator after the 2019 season and singed young up-and-comer, Brandon Daly, as his replacement.

    With no preseason games and little reporting from the Los Angeles/Rams media, we could get little sense of what Staley was planning on doing or what changes or impression he was going to make on the Rams defense.

    We were told and knew it would remain a base 3-4 defense. Stay was from the Vic Fango coaching tree and Fangio is a 3-4 disciple.

    Other than that, we knew little.

    Last night we got some answers. More will come as Taylor Rapp gets healthy—more on thta later in the post.

    But in addition to the Rams defense doing a solid job in a win over Dallas we know the starters (not announced by NBC’s Sunday Night Football) are as follows:

    Base 3-4 defense
    DE—Michael Brockers
    NT—Sebastian Joseph-Day
    DT—Aaron Donald
    ROLB—Samson Ebukam
    SILB—Micah Kiser
    WILB—Kenny Young
    LOLB—Leonard Floyd
    CB—Troy Hill
    CB—Jalen Ramsey
    RS—Jordan Fuller
    LS—John Johnson III


    Rams base 3-4 defenses

    3-3 Nickel
    DE—Michael Brockers
    DT—Aaron Donald
    NT—Sebastian Joseph-Day
    ROLB—Samson Ebukam
    LOLB—Leonard Floyd
    LB—Micah Kiser
    Slot—Troy Hill
    CB—Jalen Ramsey
    CB—Darious Williams
    RS—Jordan Fuller
    LS—John Johnson III


    Rams 3-3 nickel personnel (a 5-1 look)

    Nickel
    LE—Leonard Floyd
    RE—Ogbonnia Okoronkwo/Samson Ebukam
    DT—Michael Brockers
    DT—Aaron Donald
    SILB—Micah Kiser
    WILB—Kenny Young
    Slot—Troy Hill
    CB—Jalen Ramsey
    CB—Darious Williams
    RS—Jordan Fuller
    LS—John Johnson III


    Nickel

    Nickel on long (i.e. 3rd and 10 et al) distances
    LE—Leonard Floyd
    RE—Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
    DT—Michael Brockers
    DT—Aaron Donald
    SILB—Micah Kiser
    WILB—Taylor Rapp
    Slot—Troy Hill
    CB—Jalen Ramsey
    CB—Darious Williams
    RS—Jordan Fuller
    LS—John Johnson III


    “Long nickel/prevent-type” nickel personnel

    The front is the same as it was under Phillips with Donald playing 3-technique and Joseph-Day the shade or nose tackle and Brockers is the end or 5-tech. Donald flops from side to side depending on where the tight end or strong side is. Nothing new here so far.

    The inside linebackers are Kiser and Young. We only counted a handful of plays the Rams were in base defense. Kiser is the “Mike” the strong-side inside ‘backer and Young is the weakside inside backer. Phillips called it the “Mo” but other coaches call it different things among them “Will”.

    “Wait”, you say, “Will is the weakside outside backer”. No, not in this scheme. The outside linebackers do not flop sides (change sides based on where the tight end lines up), they line up left and right. Floyd is the left outside linebacker and Ebukam is the right outside linebacker. This is new.

    Under Phillips, one linebacker was the “Sam” the other was the “Will”. The Will was a defacto defensive end in the “Will Weak” under front Phillips used most of the time. He rushed most of the time and had a run fit. The Sam would rush some, cover some depending on the call.

    Players like Robert Quinn or Dante Fowler rarely dropped into coverage—they were the Wills in the Phillips schemes.

    Apparently, Daley will have his outside linebackers, in base anyway, skilled in playing with a tight end in front of him and without. This is akin to what Fritz Shurmur did from 1983-90, the last time the Rams ran a base 3-4. Then, Mel Owens, then later Kevin Greene, were left linebackers and first George Andrews, and then Mike Wilcher were the right outside linebackers.

    If a tight end were in front of them they’d squat with hands in front of them ready to jam the tight end to interfere with his release. If there was not a tight end in front of then they’d have the inside foot forward and were in a rush position.

    Of course, in nickel and then the Eagle/Hawk things changed in the 1980s Rams defenses but that is a conversation for another day.

    The corners for the Rams moved around, Ramsey was on both sides, sometimes following Cooper.

    Most interesting were the safeties. Johnson was the left safety and Fuller was the right safety. The were not strong and weak. One of the safeties didn’t follow the tight end or go to the three-receiver side (the strong side). They stayed on their side. This is uncommon but not unheard of—Fango and defensive coordinator Ed Donatell ran it that way in Denver in 2019 for example but you have to look hard to find examples. The duo of Fangio and Donatell (as defensive coordinator and defensive back coach respectively) when they were previously with the Bears and 49ers together deployed their safeties in the traditional strong and free alignment.

    The last time the Rams did this was in 1983 preseason with Johnnie Johnson and Nolan Cromwell. But by week one of the season Cromwell (because he made so many good plays covering tight ends) was just moved to strong safety and Johnson to free safety. The plan was to go left- and right- but Rams coaches just thought switching them to strong and weak was better for the scheme so that is what they did rather than follow the “plan”. The previous three seasons Cromwell was the free safety and Johnson was the strong safety. It got discombobulated in 1984 when both Johnson (early in the season) and Cromwell (late in the season) got injured and both were free safeties that year. But in 1985 they were back to Cromwell strong and Johnson free.

    In 1986 and 1987 the Rams used a three safety rotation with Cromwell, Johnson, and Vince Newsome. but that is also a conversation for another time but in general, when Cromwell and Johnson were in the game Cromwell was strong and Johnson was weak. When Newsome and Cromwell were in Newsome was strong and Cromwell free and when Johnson and Newsome were in Johnson was free and Newsome was strong.

    Prior to the 1983 preseason, one would have to go back to the early 1960s to find left- and right safeties likely 1961. Since 1963 (possibly 1962-still checking) or so they had been going strong/free until 2020.


    Lindon Crow #41, likely the rams first strong safety as opposed to “left” safety—1963

    Strong and free safeties came about in the NFL when teams began to use tight ends full time and that was in the early 1960s. Prior to that teams still would use three backs (one motioning to the slot or to the flank) or three ends, one of them in the slot or sometimes one “tight”. But it was varied. Both safties were expected to be able to handle any situations, whether there was a big-man tight on their side or if they were on the three-receiver side or the two-receiver side.

    But as the tight ends got bigger and used more often, in the early 1960s, coaches countered with having one safety always on the tight end or three-receiver side and the other om the weak side, being “free” to cover the middle zone, double-team a particularly tough end, blitz (think Larry Wilson), or lurk or “rob” in the middle of the defense—lots of things.

    Strong safeties were bigger, stronger, able to cover tight ends, but also to force run plays inside by taking on blocks of pulling offensive linemen and tackle fullbacks. So the skill sets grew apart over time.

    In recent years the skill sets are closer, but even so, rarely do coaches play safeties exclusively left and right for a whole game in both base and nickel. For whatever reason, coaches stick to strong and weak or one safety who is a ‘box’ safety and another who is more of a MOF-type “middle of the field” safety. Not always, of course, some safeties are excellent at both, they can cover, man or zone, play in the box, blitz, tackle, have geat range, but that is not all of them. So, coaches have to make choices.

    So, it was interesting to watch last night, twin safeties, not a common thing. We will know more about the coverages when the All-22 comes out tomorrow but it was kind of a treat to see this tactic deployed.

    And kudos to rookie Jordan Fuller. Not only was he the starter he had to play both techniques, the strong and weak depending on which was the strong side. And though he did seemingly miss a tackle early in the contest he did make the defensive play of the game when he made a fourth-down tackle stopping a Dallas drive that potentially could have given the Cowboys the lead.


    Fuller makes 4th and one tackle

    We like Taylor Rapp a lot, but he missed time in camp and never got his starting job back. He only played in the 3rd and really long packages, and on the final drive in addition to special teams. When he was in he was a linebacker in the nickel, and on a couple of plays he played left safety with Johnson dropping into the linebacker spot in that “long nickel” package.

    Time will tell if he can supplant Kenny Young as the WILL in the nickel which, really, is a starters position, or if he can move the rookie Jordan Fuller out of the right safety positions. Fuller looked good. Johnson played some linebacker in sub defenses last year under Phillips so it is possible he could do some of the same with Rapp playing left safety but this is all speculation. All we know is Rapp is a high draft choice who missed a lot of reps in camp and only had a role in really, prevent defenses in game one—along with special teams and that is not why he was drafted so high.

    But McStaley (McVay and Staley) is going to play who earns the spot so the onus is on Rapp.

    We will keep readers posted on other changes we see in the Rams scheme as we look at more film.

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    cool stuff. i do expect rapp to see more snaps as he reacclimates himself.

    i also am curious as to how hollins is integrated into the team and when lewis returns.

    and as the defense gets more reps together in a new system i expect them to continue to jell.

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    Jeezus-H-christ, that guy went all the way back to 1983 preseason stuff. And even back into the 60s. Cromwell, Johnnie Johnson, Vince Newsome…Mel Owens, Kevin Greene, Fritz Shurmur…

    Since when did football-writers start knowing stuff.

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    Since when did football-writers start knowing stuff.

    except for the fact that he can’t get the defensive coordinator’s name right…

    hahahaha!

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 2 months ago by Avatar photoInvaderRam.
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    Rams Defense Looks Like It Is Emphasizing Overshifts More Than In Past Few Seasons

    By John Turney

    https://nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com/2020/09/rams-defense-looks-like-it-is.html

    In simple terms, one-gap defenses can play even fronts, overshifted fronts or undershifted fronts. “Fronts” are how the defensive linemen are alined in relation to the offensive line. They can be evenly aligned or shift an extra player towards the tight end side or away from the tight end. The former is an overshift. The latter is an undershift.

    Two-gap defenses (3-4) have a nose tackle so the defense his balanced. However, one-gap 3-4 defenses usually play the nose tackle “shaded” one side of the center, on his shoulder generally, and while yes, one guy may be “two-gapping” it is considered a one-gap defense. Ina 4-3 defense one player may play two-gaps as well, but that is a story for another day.

    In recent times, call it since the merger, or perhaps since 1960, teams have used these types of fronts depending on where they want the extra defender. Some teams or coordinators use them all. Others prefer one over the others and are therefore an “under” team or an “over” team.

    The Rams defensive coordinator from 2017-19 was Wade Phillips and he preferred the under. He called it “Will Wink”. This put Aaron Donald on the shoulder of the guard away from the tight end in most situations when the base defense was on the field.


    In Denver, Phillips ran “Will WInk” a 3-4 ‘under’, line away from TE, “backers to TE side

    Putting a player on the weak side guard is not something Phillips always has done, he didn’t always ‘flop’ his defensive tackles. He’s played them ‘left’ and ‘right’ before but Donald is one of those special players who demands to be put in a position to make plays. And since the popularization of the “under” defenses—really beginning in Minnesota with Keith Millard, then spreading throughout the NFL in the 1990s many coaches followed suit when they had a player who fit that bill, like John Randle, Warren Sapp, D’Marco Farr, La’Roi Glover and others.


    This is a 3-4 undershift with the line shifted away from tight end and the ‘backer towards the tight end


    From 2018 Super Bowl. Donald on the weakside guard. Ideal for making plays in backfield.

    This year Brandon Staley, the Rams new defensive coordinator is mixing it up more. They still play the under, but after two games when they are in base or in nickel when there is a tight end on the field they are running the overshift more often than the under. This puts Aaron Donald on the shoulder of the guard on the tight end side.


    This is actually a 4-3 over. Staley worker for Vic Fangio in Denver, they ran both overs and unders
    but if we had to guess, the over was more often employed


    A 3-4 over, putting the 3-tech (in this case a 4i) on the tight end side


    Overshift—line shifted to the tight end, linebackers away. This is nickel, but the principle still applies


    And over. Dallas with H-B, usually second TE is treated the same as a fullback. Floyd, a left linebacker not a “Sam” in this case is a defensive end and Kiser is the “Sam”. The 3-tech, Donald, is on the strong side.

    Staley doesn’t run the over as much as Phillips ran the under, but it is still a change. Both coaches would mix in the Bear front which puts a defensive lineman over both guards and the center, though after just two games it’s hard to know, but Staley did it quite a big versus Dallas, a team with a great runner.


    This is an under, with Donald on weak side, though with nickel personnel. Similar to Wade Phillips

    Theories differ as to what is better and why. The “over” traditionally is thought to be better versus strong side runs, having the extra defender to the strong side, but vulnerable to weakside runs due to a “bubble” on the weakside. If the backside can be secured and the frontside plays their gap, it can be hard to run strongside. But that is in theory. The offense gets paid, too, and they are paid to be able to run strong or weak or whatever play is called.

    The under is supposedly better for likely passing downs, putting that Sapp/Randle-esque tackle on the weakside to penetrate and break up running plays on the way to the quarterback. He only has three reads—high hat (pass), block coming at him (beat block make play), and trap (fill hole meet trapper). That’s it.

    But it also depends if you have that kind of player as well. As we mentioned many coaches, run both and Staley appears to be one of them. Phillips clearly had a preference in recent years.

    When a team plays left- and right defensive tackles then both tackles have to play strong and weak (as the outside linebackers do in the Rams new scheme) but Daly is still flopping the tackles as Phillips did but with that Phillips had Donald simply go away from the tight end, as did the WILL as did the MO (weak inside ‘backer) as did the free safety.

    Now, depending on the call, Donald can go either way, it’s not automatic. It’s a bit more complicated, not much, mind you, but a bit. If it’s over, he finds tight end and goes that way, if it’s under he finds tight end and goes the opposite side. With left and right tackles, it was easy for the tackles, just go left and right, and if the call was over, slide to tight end, and if it was under slide away.

    Donald, a supreme talent, will have no trouble with all of that. However, will opponents be able to find ways to take away little things from him that just came naturally? Or will it be harder not being able to know that maybe 90% of the time he was going to be one the weakside guard’s shoulder whereas now, it maybe 40% or less? We just don’t know what the number might be as of now.

    Or will the rule of some coaches be broken—don’t mess with star players. Don’t change what brought a player to the top. That remains to be seen.


    The weakside bubble in an overshifted defense, supposedly vulnerable if not played right by a defense

    We will monitor this to see how varied Staley is in switching up the overs and unders and Bear fronts in likely run downs. And how much the Rams are in base (three linemen and four backers) or quasi-base. Wade Phillips used it as much as anyone but also cheated it a bit with one of his linebackers a smaller, athletic-type—often a safety so it was nickel personnel in a 3-4 under. And he had a few different personnel packages in base.

    It is worth noting, and this is not any type of criticism, that in the first couple of games the most devastating plays made by Aaron Donald have come out of the under, not the over. The knockdowns, the sack (a weakside stunt with a linebacker) came from the weakside. However, some of the top run plays did come from the over, when the threw around a tight end for example.

    So, it is too early to tell anything, but fair warning. Donald will be on both sides this year more this year than in the last few, which doe constitute a change and is worth studying.

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