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  • #36813
    Avatar photowv
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    LMU93
    … Just my own opinion but while there have been ‘misses’ I think if we look overall at the past four drafts the Rams have done well. They are a very talented team that unfortunately- and very sadly- doesn’t have much talent at one position- QB- which weighs down the whole team..

    I was looking purely at picks they’ve made from 2012-2015 in the top 100 overall- because after that the odds of any team finding a good player or starter is something like maybe 20-25%. They’ve had 18 picks in the top 100 overall in 4 drafts and I’d say 11 have been good (to great):

    1. Brockers (quality DT has earned an extension)
    2. Jenkins (my draft card would have had OT/G Cordy Glenn on it with this pick but hard to argue with his overall play)
    3. Johnson
    4. Austin (while I will say forever they should have sat at #16 and taken DeAndre Hopkins there instead of trading up he has improved a lot and become a valuable player)
    5. Ogletree
    6. McDonald (the pick I hated the most of any 1st-3rd round pick by Snead that has proved me very wrong)
    7. Donald (a possible generational talent…)
    8. Joyner (many will disagree here but I think he’s been a pretty good nickel CB so far and hasn’t hit his ceiling yet; I’d be interested to see where people like PFF rate him)
    9. Gurley (see Donald…)
    10. Havenstein (appearing on multiple All-Rookie teams)
    11. Brown

    Several have underperformed or you can say the jury is still out:
    1. Mason (excellent rookie year, not much in year 2; let’s see what he does in year 3)
    2. Robinson (a lower tier LT through 2 years but he’s started 25 straight games there after coming out two years early and like it or not he’s going to get year 3..)
    3. Mannion (drafted to be the 3rd QB this year and try to compete for the #2 in 2016)

    And several swings and misses:
    1. Quick
    2. Pead (wherefore art thou Bobby Wagner or Lavonte David)
    3. Givens (an excellent rookie year but on the whole not good)
    4. Bailey (debatable I suppose but it’s doubtful he ever plays again and he really only flashed in several games here and there)

    Plus let’s consider several late round picks like Wichmann, Hager, Gaines, Stacy, and Zuerlein where they’ve received at least some production, and in Gaines and Wichmann’s cases possibly much more. Not to mention UDFAs where I think they’ve done very well (Hekker for starters is a Pro Bowler and already the team’s all-time best punter, McLeod at safety, Bates, Reynolds, Harkey, etc.).

    #36814
    Avatar photozn
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    2. Jenkins (my draft card would have had OT/G Cordy Glenn on it with this pick but hard to argue with his overall play)
    3. Johnson

    Well if nothing else name all the teams that got 2 top corners in the same draft without using a 1st round pick.

    He also left out Alexander and Wichman, guys I would count.

    #36815
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    Yeah, I’m happy with the drafts under Snisher. I agree with LMU’s overall assessment but I think he’s wrong about Bailey. I think he would have thrived had the Rams had competent QBs.
    Sadly that’s a moot point now but he was still a good draft pick.

    #36820
    Avatar photowv
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    I just dont see how people
    can blame Snead for anything.
    I dunno that he gets an “A”
    but he gets at least a “B”
    I’d think.

    And if by chance Mannion
    turns out to be a no.1
    he gets an A+

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    v

    #36822
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    I just dont see how people
    can blame Snead for anything.
    I dunno that he gets an “A”
    but he gets at least a “B”
    I’d think.

    And if by chance Mannion
    turns out to be a no.1
    he gets an A+

    w
    v

    You know that I have gone through drafts of good drafting teams, and drafting well means hitting on around 40+%…to the mid/high 40s. Anything much beyond the high 40s is just unusually good, beyond the “good” norm into the “rare and superb” tier.

    According to my count, Snead has hit on 46%.

    That’s not a “B” that’s a solid “A” IMO. Especially when you factor in guality, which includes Donald, plus as I said 2 top 10 corners in the same draft (without spending a 1st round pick).

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    #36825
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    Yeah, I don’t know how anyone can complain about Snead. Just go back and look at the Martz and Linehan era drafts. This team was historically empty of talent. They had 50 players to acquire.

    #36832
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
    Participant

    I know Snead is an A+ as a trader, but I can’t tell how much credit he should get for the draft, etc. How much is him and how much is Fisher? Does Fisher help or hurt?

    I know the guy in Arizona is a A in finding talent, ?Kleim? Fisher hired Snead instead of him.

    Including the draft and the various FAs and etc., I give them a B+. Luck = a D. Coaching is incomplete, but I am leaning to no more than slightly above a straight C. Salary cap is an A. imo

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    • This reply was modified 9 years ago by Avatar photoAgamemnon.

    Agamemnon

    #36835
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Just go back and look at the Martz and Linehan era drafts

    #36842
    Avatar photowv
    Participant

    I just dont see how people
    can blame Snead for anything.
    I dunno that he gets an “A”
    but he gets at least a “B”
    I’d think.

    And if by chance Mannion
    turns out to be a no.1
    he gets an A+

    w
    v

    You know that I have gone through drafts of good drafting teams, and drafting well means hitting on around 40+%…to the mid/high 40s. Anything much beyond the high 40s is just unusually good, beyond the “good” norm into the “rare and superb” tier.

    According to my count, Snead has hit on 46%.

    That’s not a “B” that’s a solid “A” IMO. Especially when you factor in guality, which includes Donald, plus as I said 2 top 10 corners in the same draft (without spending a 1st round pick).

    .

    Enh. I dunno. Have you factored in the
    fact that Snead has had more first and second
    round picks than other GMs ?
    I mean the RG3 trade gave him
    some cant-miss options.

    w
    v

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