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March 27, 2017 at 10:41 pm #66735znModerator
Rams’ projected O-line: Greg Robinson at RT, Rob Havenstein at RG
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PHOENIX — At this point, it looks like the right side of the Los Angeles Rams’ offensive line will be made up entirely of converting players.
Though offseason workouts and training camp will be the ultimate decider, Greg Robinson is expected to move from left tackle to right tackle, and Rob Havenstein is expected to shift from right tackle to right guard, Rams general manager Les Snead confirmed from the owners meetings on Monday.
The shift began with the addition of veteran left tackle Andrew Whitworth, who signed a three-year, $33.75 million contract in early March. Robinson, the former No. 2 overall pick who has struggled mightily through his first three years, will shift to the right side, but the Rams want him to remain a tackle. And they feel more comfortable with Havenstein, a second-round pick from 2015, making the switch to guard.
“He’s a very, very, very smart guy,” Snead said of Havenstein. “Being inside, you have to be mentally agile in there, a lot more than you have to be at tackle. Things happen quicker, and there’s more options of who you block. Most of the time at tackle, it’s a very limited number of people based on what changes in a defense.”
The Rams want to simplify things as much as possible for Robinson in hopes of getting the most out of him in what will likely be the final year of his rookie contract.
Snead would not comment on Robinson’s contractual status, but the Rams are unlikely to pick up his fifth-year option by the May 3 deadline. One possibility could be that the Rams eventually try to tack on an extra year or two to Robinson’s contract for less than the value of his fifth-year option, but those talks — a long shot at this point — probably wouldn’t take place until after the start of the season.
The Rams have Whitworth solidified at left tackle and will have Rodger Saffold at left guard, giving them two veterans to protect the blind side of second-year quarterback Jared Goff. But they’re still in need of a center, and they continue to look to free agency and the trade market for potential fits. John Sullivan, who spent last season as a backup for a Redskins team that had Sean McVay as the offensive coordinator, visited with the Rams last week but remains unsigned.
“The biggest key for us right now, because you do have a second-year QB, is whoever that player is has got to be mentally astute,” Snead said of the team’s center, a position that became vacant after the release of Tim Barnes. “You’d probably rather have a veteran who’s done it, at least a veteran mentor.”
In Robinson, 6-foot-5 and 332 pounds, and Havenstein, 6-foot-8 and 321 pounds, the Rams would at least have some real size on the right side of an offensive line that was probably the NFL’s worst last season. Havenstein had a solid rookie year in 2015, but struggled in 2016 — though Snead previously indicated that he played through injuries.
“Another thing with Rob,” Snead said, “is if you do move him inside, if he ever does go back outside, a lot of times going from outside to inside things happen a little bit quicker in there. Then when they go back outside, it can be a little less stressful, and being versatile is always good.”
March 27, 2017 at 11:44 pm #66738InvaderRamModeratorso the rams think a move to rt will be easier than a move to guard. interesting.
March 28, 2017 at 12:08 am #66739znModeratorso the rams think a move to rt will be easier than a move to guard. interesting.
I think it’s a Kromer thing. He has traditionally put a lot of emphasis on guard over tackle, and he has used big tackle converts at guard before.
It just seems he would want the smoother, more developed player at guard.
March 28, 2017 at 7:20 am #66742wvParticipantWell my first reaction is…this is going to be a disaster.
But then i have to remind myself that they know more about football
than i do, so…w
vMarch 28, 2017 at 7:36 am #66744nittany ramModeratorI’m not worried about moving Havenstein to guard and GRob to RT. That could become a pretty good tandem to run behind. Worst case scenario – it doesn’t work out so you switch them back (GRob to guard, Havenstein to RT).
Hard to get too excited about any of this until they get a center though.
March 28, 2017 at 7:01 pm #66768wvParticipantI’m not worried about moving Havenstein to guard and GRob to RT. That could become a pretty good tandem to run behind. Worst case scenario – it doesn’t work out so you switch them back (GRob to guard, Havenstein to RT).
Hard to get too excited about any of this until they get a center though.
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Well, wv-ram is, like, TOTALLY worried about Hav at guard and Grob at Tackle.
I dont think Hav is a guard and i dont think GRob is a Tackle. But what do i know. Apparently the OLine coach thinks he’s a miracle-worker. Or else the organization just feels stuck personnel-wize.
w
vMarch 28, 2017 at 7:16 pm #66771ZooeyModerator————-
Well, wv-ram is, like, TOTALLY worried about Hav at guard and Grob at Tackle.
I dont think Hav is a guard and i dont think GRob is a Tackle. But what do i know. Apparently the OLine coach thinks he’s a miracle-worker. Or else the organization just feels stuck personnel-wize.
w
vThat is precisely my response.
March 28, 2017 at 8:00 pm #66775nittany ramModerator————-
Well, wv-ram is, like, TOTALLY worried about Hav at guard and Grob at Tackle.
I dont think Hav is a guard and i dont think GRob is a Tackle. But what do i know. Apparently the OLine coach thinks he’s a miracle-worker. Or else the organization just feels stuck personnel-wize.
w
vThat is precisely my response.
Well, I don’t know if the Hav-guard and GRob-RT experiment will work out or not, but even if it doesn’t it’s no big deal – simply switch Hav back to RT which we know he can play and move GRob to guard which he had at least a sliver of success with as a rookie.
I don’t know how any of this has DISASTER-level ramifications as stated earlier in this thread.
As a matter of fact it never would carry that much weight to a TRUE Rams fan – although I could see how a couple of Seahawk or LA Charger fans might claim it would to foment distrust of McVay and his staff which is likely what is going on here.
DISASTER would be the announcement that GRob is moving to center and Spruce is moving to RT but I’m almost certain that ain’t gonna happen.
March 28, 2017 at 9:06 pm #66781InvaderRamModeratorOr else the organization just feels stuck personnel-wize.
that’s most likely a significant part of it. they can’t fix it all in one season, so they’ll have mix and match a little.
March 28, 2017 at 9:12 pm #66783InvaderRamModeratorWell, I don’t know if the Hav-guard and GRob-RT experiment will work out or not, but even if it doesn’t it’s no big deal – simply switch Hav back to RT which we know he can play and move GRob to guard which he had at least a sliver of success with as a rookie.
another thing i take out of all this is there’s gonna be a whole lotta running to the right side.
continue to acclimate goff. maybe the next year when they can tinker a little more with the oline and goff feels more comfortable then they can open it up some.
March 28, 2017 at 10:27 pm #66785znModeratorWell what we HAD was a young line picked by different coaches for a different system.
So. Changes.
I hope what comes out of it is an Alex Boone type guard in Hav.
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