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    Michael Silver@MikeSilver
    NFL owners have been summoned to New York for a meeting later this week regarding the status of labor negotiations with the NFLPA. Significant progress has been made toward a new CBA, but the two sides remain far apart on some outstanding issues…

    If all goes well, a new deal–predicated on a 17-game regular season that would launch sometime between 2021 and 2023–could be ratified before March 18… and go into effect in time for the new league year.

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    Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
    The meeting of NFL owners and executives that @MikeSilver reported is tomorrow in New York. All 32 teams will be there to hear a report on the status of CBA negotiations and consider terms. Players expected to discuss the same proposal via conference call Friday. Big 48 hours.

    ProFootballTalk@ProFootballTalk
    Per source NFLPA meeting set for Thursday was canceled due to challenges of getting all 32 player reps in the same place at the same time. (Unlike owners the reps fly commercial.)

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    NFL owners to meet Thursday to discuss CBA talks

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102482/article/nfl-owners-to-meet-thursday-to-discuss-cba-talks?campaign=Twitter_atn

    NFL owners will meet in New York on Thursday to discuss the status of labor negotiations with the NFL Players Association, NFL Network’s Michael Silver reported Wednesday. The players will discuss the owners’ proposal via conference call on Friday, NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero added.

    If all goes well during the next 48 hours or so, Silver added, a new collective bargaining agreement between the league and the NFLPA could be ratified before the start of the new league year on March 18.

    The new deal, however, would be predicated on implementing a 17-game regular season that would launch between 2021 and 2023, Silver reported.

    Adding a game to the regular-season schedule has been a point of contention between the sides. Some players — including 49ers receiver Emmanuel Sanders, who played 17 regular-season games this year because of a midseason trade — have already spoken out strongly against it.

    The central issue throughout negotiations has been the revenue split, and players are expected to receive an uptick from the 47 percent of total revenue they are guaranteed under the current CBA, which was approved in 2011, Pelissero and NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported in January. The union has long hoped to achieve that increase without adding games, but the league has pushed all along for a lever that would allow them to add games as part of the next TV deal.

    The CBA, if agreed to in the next month, could go into effect in time for the new league year, potentially altering the salary cap and state of free agency, among other things.

    The league, the NFLPA executive committee and player representatives were scheduled to meet Thursday in Washington, D.C., as Rapoport and NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo reported last week.

    The current CBA between the NFL and the NFLPA expires following the 2020 season.

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    Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
    NFL playoff structure is about to be changed. Under the current CBA proposal, seven teams from each conference will make the playoffs, with only bye per conference, sources tell ESPN. It would go into effect this upcoming season.

    More details: Under the current CBA proposal that NFL owners are pushing for, the playoff field would be expanded to seven teams, while the regular season would be increased to 17 games per team, and the preseason shortened to three games per team, per sources.

    Sosa K@QBsMVP
    Couldn’t think of worse ideas, man. Player safety? Too bad, play an extra game. Good playoff competition? Nope, add two more bad and non-deserving teams. UDFA’s trying to make the league? Go ahead, you just lost 25% of your opportunities.

    Mike Sando@SandoNFL
    Adding to playoff field has potential to save coaching jobs & promote continuity.

    Andrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
    So far reports on new CBA terms are all in favor of owners: extra regular season game, extra playoff game, etc. The Players better be making some gains (revenue split, minimum salaries, health care, gambling revenues, etc).

    Benjamin Allbright@AllbrightNFL
    I personally don’t think allowing 44% of the league into the post season is a good idea.

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    More playoff teams expected under new NFL CBA, sources say

    Adam Schefter

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28739375/more-playoff-teams-expected-new-nfl-cba-sources-say

    If and when a new collective bargaining agreement is finalized — and there is now mounting optimism it could be done sometime in the next week — it is expected to include a transformational change to the NFL’s playoff structure as it is currently constituted for next season, league sources told ESPN.

    Under the current CBA proposal that NFL owners are pushing for, the playoff field would be expanded to seven teams from each conference, while the regular season would be increased to 17 games per team and the preseason shortened to three games per team, sources said.

    As part of the proposed playoff format, only one team from each conference would receive a first-round bye as opposed to the two that currently do, league sources said. That would mean a revised postseason schedule that includes six games on wild-card weekend, with three on Saturday and three on Sunday.

    The changes to the NFL’s playoff format would take effect for the 2020 season, assuming the new CBA is ratified beforehand. Had the proposed format been in place this past season, the Los Angeles Rams and Pittsburgh Steelers would have been the next teams included in the expanded playoff field.

    “That’s been agreed to for a long time,” one source familiar with the CBA talks said about the NFL’s new playoff structure. “There wasn’t a lot of disagreement to that issue.”

    Additionally, the players on the teams that earn a first-round bye will receive postseason pay for that weekend. That was not the case under the current CBA, which has always rankled some players.

    Now the sides are trying to work through the final issues, including getting the players to sign off on a 17-game regular season. That has yet to be agreed to, and would not take effect until 2021 at the earliest.

    “The new CBA’s not done, there’s no term sheet yet, there still are issues being negotiated, but I’d be very surprised if there’s not a new CBA for the new league year,” the source said.

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    Kurt Warner@kurt13warner
    Of course we’ll watch & players will play, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good thing 4 players in long run? So the point is be quiet bc we’ll watch?? We’ve got guys retiring earlier now than last couple decades 4 health reasons, but hey shut up & go back 2 something that matters?

    Andrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
    Re questions on NFL CBA: (1) Nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to; (2) the Players want a lot but the only thing of true value they have to offer are extra games; (3) the Players need to focus on higher team minimum spending; Cap increases are hollow without that.

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    Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
    More on the transformational CBA proposal now on the table, per sources: As part of the new deal, players go from 47% share under current deal to 48% share at 16 games, and then to 48.5% share if they go to 17 games, shifting $5 billion of revenue to players’ side.

    Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
    Players need more.

    tim rominger@timrominger
    So players are now making 40+million a year. That is more than most teams profit each year. So if you own a bussiness and took all the risk wouldnt you want to be the highest paid in that bussiness.

    Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
    Yes the poor owners make no profits. Wtf are you talking about.

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    Andrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
    The NFL spinning this potential CBA in the media so players feel like they should take it is something to see. Strategic public relations, they hope. We’ll see if it works.

    Haven’t seen/heard a word about new NFL CBA addressing deficiencies in team minimum spending threshold, currently too light (89%) and too spread out (4 year inspections). Would hope/expect that is improving.#CBA

    NFL CBA proposal re marijuana testing: (1) testing window goes from four months to two weeks at start of training camp; (2) reduces number of players tested; (3) reduces penalties for positive tests; (4) raises nanogram threshold for positive test from 35 to 150 (WADA threshold).

    Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
    The proposed CBA also reduces penalties for players who test positive for THC, eliminating any game suspensions strictly for positive tests. So no more getting banned strictly for smoking weed.

    Darren Rovell@darrenrovell
    I’ve been covering sports labor for 20 years. This deal the NFL owners are putting forth might be the worst deal with the exception of the deal the NHL players accepted in 2005 after a year off. There’s no way the NFLPA says yes to this.

    Joel Corry@corryjoel
    Each team must spend 89% of the league wide salary cap in cash over the 4 year period of 2017 through 2020. A 4 year period is too long & the % should be higher. Players should be pushing to change these things in the new CBA. I’m expecting status quo.

    Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
    One interesting nugget from the proposed CBA: The NFL’s answer to the NBA’s mid-level exception, with an extra $1.25 million excluded from salary cap for up to 2 players with 4+ years experience. Minimum salaries also up across the board.

    Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
    Among the training camp changes in proposed deal …

    • 2.5-hour limit on padded/full speed practices
    • Limit time at facility during given workday
    • Limit of 16 days in pads
    • 3-day weekend at end of camp if 17 games is in
    • 2 days off first week, one day every 7 thereafter

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    Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
    How would players be compensated for a 17th game if they signed contracts based on a 16-game schedule? Basically, under proposed CBA, they’d get an extra game check, but it’d be capped at $250,000, per sources. So the highest-paid players would play for less than usual.

    𝒥𝒾𝓂 𝐸𝓋𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓉𝓉@Jim_Everett
    lol…That’s a deal breaker. If a player has a $16m a year (16 games) contract which is paid at $1M per game…now management suggests to puts a cap at $250K for game 17? Not happening. Fyi, $250k per game equates to a $4M annual 16 game contact. Ain’t happening folks.

    Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
    The extra offensive lineman rule under the proposed CBA would be similar to the old No. 3 QB rule, per source — basically, a reserve OL could be put into the game if another goes down and can’t return. Lets players come out if they need to without, say, forcing a TE to play OL.

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    Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
    The NFLPA executive committee voted 6-5 NOT to recommend the current CBA proposal, source said. That is simply a recommendation, though. It now goes to the 32-man board of representatives.

    The NFLPA constitution says the board of representatives must approve the proposed CBA by a 2/3 majority (22 votes), and the full membership must approve by a simple majority. So, even if the full membership votes yes, my understanding is the board still must approve as well.

    Darren Rovell@darrenrovell
    Hearing NFL players are being told that there’s not much negotiation here. That this is the deal the owners are presenting and if they don’t take it, it’s strike/lockout next year. Billionaires are in a better position than millionaires. Do the players fold?

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    CBA Notes: Funding Rule, Marijuana, Fines

    https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/02/cba-notes-funding-rule-marijuana-fines

    The momentum toward a new CBA took a blow on Friday, but all hope is not lost, as the two sides have agreed to meet at the combine next week. As we await more word on where exactly the players union stands, here’s the latest on what was in the most recent proposal:

    One issue that players didn’t get what they wanted on is the ‘funding rule,’ per Dan Graziano of ESPN.com (Twitter link). The players wanted the rule eliminated, but instead Graziano notes the proposal only “weaken[ed] the rule somewhat.” The rule requires teams to put any amount of guaranteed money in a contract over $2MM into escrow. As Graziano points out, it’s an outdated rule from many years ago designed to prevent teams from being unable to make payroll. As the players have argued for years now, that makes owners less willing to give players large guarantees, since they have to put all the money away up front. Graziano writes that the proposal increases the “funding rule threshold to $15 million in the first year of the deal and $17 million in 2029, the final year of the deal.”

    There’s been talk for a while about the new deal relaxing marijuana restrictions, and we have the full details on what that would look like, courtesy of Mark Maske of the Washington Post (Twitter link). The THC testing window would be reduced from a huge four-month period to just two weeks at the start of training camp. Additionally, players would no longer be suspended solely for positive marijuana tests, the number of players tested would be reduced, and the thresholds for positive tests would be increased. In other words, marijuana use will virtually never be an issue again for NFL players.

    Another smaller benefit for the players is they won’t have to pay as much money in fines, Maske tweets. The proposal will apparently reduce the fines from both teams and the league for on-field infractions. That means players won’t be fined as much for things like unnecessary roughness and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

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    Dan Graziano@DanGrazianoESPN
    Players had tried to eliminate the NFL’s “funding rule” in this deal. The proposal doesn’t do that, but it does weaken the rule somewhat.

    The rule, which dates back to the early days of the league when there was some doubt about teams making payroll, requires all teams to hold in escrow any amount of guaranteed money over $2 million in a player contract.

    For example: If you get a $50 million contract with $25 million guaranteed, the team has to hold $23 million in escrow, ostensibly so you can be certain it will pay you.

    The new CBA would raise the funding rule threshold to $15 million in the first year of the deal and $17 million in 2029, the final year of the deal. So in that earlier example, in 2020, the team would only have to hold $10 million of the $25 million guarantee in escrow.

    It wasn’t designed to help players, but to ensure that teams stayed afloat in the league’s early days. No longer a concern, obviously.

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    Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
    I would not consider ratification of this CBA proposal a fait accompli. It has strong, influential detractors in the player ranks.

    The players’ leverage is the owners’ desire to get going on the TV deals. And certain guys realize that. The owners may be willing to quit on negotiating with the players. They won’t quit on TV talks.

    Anyway … I think with the CBA stuff where it is now, it underscores a) how important the TV deals are to everything and b) how impactful exec comm guys (who voted NOT to recommend the owners’ CBA proposal today) can be.

    Big days ahead.

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    https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-players-17-game-schedule-richard-sherman/zx9f0zsmpqav1eow8kun3krz6

    The NFL’s motivation behind its push for a 17-game schedule is obvious, especially considering nobody (not even the fans) is asking for regular-season expansion. If the league can tout 17 games as opposed to 16 games in its upcoming negotiations with potential broadcast rights holders, it can and will charge more for those rights.

    Yes, the players would earn a game check for that 17th regular-season contest, but the terms of the proposed CBA reportedly would limit that check to $250,000 per player, a laughable deal to the many players who make more per game. Yet, according to the sentiments expressed by Richard Sherman almost a month ago, the players’ pushback against the idea of a 17-game schedule is rooted deeper than compensation.

    “I don’t think it’s something that players are interested in, honestly. And if that’s the point they’re negotiating on, I think these negotiations are going to go on a lot longer than anticipated.

    “It’s odd to me — and it’s always odd — when you hear player safety as their biggest concern. They’re really standing up for player safety, player safety, player safety. But it seems like player safety has a price tag. Player safety up to the point of, ‘Hey, 17 games makes us this much money. So we really don’t care how safe they are, if you’re going to pay us this much money to play another game.’

    “That’s the part that’s really concerning for us as a union and us as players, because they think that players have a price tag on their health. And I don’t think we’re in the same ballpark in that regard. Players have been more aware of player safety and longevity and just life after football. And the league kind of pretends that they’re interested in it, pretends that they care about it, makes all these rules and fines all these players, but then still proposes for players to play an extra game.

    “And not just 17. They’re really just saying 17 so they can get to 18. So that’s two more opportunities for players to risk their bodies and put their bodies on the line. That’s what’s so ridiculous about it, and nobody calls them out. Nobody calls out the hypocrisy.

    “I’m hoping that one day people will be brave enough to call out the hypocrisy of saying, ‘Hey we really care about player safety, but hey we also want you to play an extra game, put your body on the line and risk your career.’”

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28751269/nfl-cba-vote-delayed-need-know-biggest-changes-2021-proposal-potential-agreement-line

    What’s the main sticking point?

    Put simply, the players don’t want to play 17 games. They feel it’s asking too much in a sport that is already ridiculously tough on their health and safety. Sources close to the situation said the reason the NFLPA executive council voted to not recommend the deal was because of concerns some of its members still have over the idea of an expanded regular season and doubts some of them have over the owners’ projections for how much more revenue it would generate.

    The meeting in Indianapolis between the two sides is likely to address these issues directly, possibly giving members of the board of player reps a chance to hear the owners’ side of the issue. It’s unlikely that vocally anti-17-game executive council members like Richard Sherman and Russell Okung will be convinced, but it’s possible that meeting could help convince enough player reps to vote in favor of the proposal.

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/2/21/21145466/nfl-cba-proposal-owners-nflpa-vote-changes-players-revenue-benefits

    It should worry the players that the NFL owners want this deal done so badly.

    If the owners are so willing to do this deal now, almost a full year before it’s necessary and several weeks before the start of the new league year, what is the reason and what are they gaining from this new CBA?

    The NFL owners want a CBA done ASAP so they can start negotiating new TV and streaming deals. That’s where the bulk of the revenue is generated, and with an additional few weeks and two more playoff games, the NFL can name its price for its rights.

    On top of that, if an agreement can’t be reached, it could lead to a lockout next offseason. That would leave a bad taste in the mouth of consumers, who have driven NFL ratings and profits up over the last two years of the current CBA deal.

    Lastly, tucked away in the bullet points of that deal is a vague mention of gambling:

    Gambling definitions that ensures money is included in players’ definition of All Revenue, including portions of non-football activities

    That will explode the revenue of the league. This needs to be more defined, but it adds to the reason the NFL wants this done now.

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    Four reasons the NFL’s CBA proposal is bad for the players

    https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/four-reasons-nfl-cba-proposal-bad-players-playoff-schedule

    If you’re a football fan, you’ve probably read about ongoing negotiations on a new CBA between the NFLPA, which the union representing the players, and management council, which represents the 32 NFL owners.

    The NFL’s current collective bargaining agreement expires after the 2020 season, but negotiations have been ongoing this offseason.

    The NFLPA executive committee voted 6-5 to not recommend the current proposal to the members, so negotiations continue.

    The complete proposal hasn’t been made available to the public, but enough details have leaked over the last two days to get some sense of what’s included.

    The NFLPA released this fact sheet outlining key points in the CBA proposal.

    And there are a lot of positives for the players. It expands pension eligibility and improves insurance benefits for retired players and raises minimum salaries, eases drug testing and reduces fines.

    All good.

    But there are plenty of red flags, enough that numerous high-profile players have been tweeting against the proposal.

    Here are four reasons the deal as currently proposed is a bad one for the players:

    1. The proposal calls for a 17-game regular-season schedule while also calling for an increase in player revenue from the current 47 to 48.5 percent. That’s about a 3.1 percent revenue increase for a 6.3 increase in games played. How is that fair? The owners are going to be raking in massive TV revenue increases, especially with the expanded playoff schedule, but the players won’t be receiving an equivalent share of that money.

    2. All players under contract when the league goes to a 17-game schedule — presumably in 2021 — will be paid only $250,000 more for that 17th game game. So anybody with a base salary over $4.25 million in 2021 will essentially be taking a pay cut. The Eagles have 10 players with 2021 base salaries of at least $5 million. Carson Wentz is on the books at $15.4 million. That’s $905,882 per week based on a 17-week schedule. So his weekly salary would go down to $869,440. That’s a $36,000 pay CUT per week. He’ll essentially be making less money per week. Now multiple that pay cut by several hundred players. The NFL will be raking in billions more dollars by increasing the regular season from 256 games to 272 – and eventually more with expansion – and increasing the postseason from 11 games to 13. While essentially asking the players to earn less per week.

    3. The proposal does shorten the preseason from four games to three, but there is apparently no second bye week included. So the players are being asked to play 17 regular-season games in an 18-week span in an era where the NFL loves blabbing about player safety. Add to that the likelihood of increased international travel and the wear and tear that takes on a player as the league explores more and more international games. This is just pure greed on the NFL’s part. It’s clear that everything the league says about player safety is just lip service if they are so desperate to add a 17th regular-season game in an era with increased focus on concussions, injuries and player health after football.

    4. The NFL is way too eager to get a deal done now when the current CBA doesn’t expire for another year. It definitely benefits both sides to have a deal hammered out and guarantee labor peace for a decade. But you just get the feeling the owners want to get this done before the NFLPA really has a chance to digest the full proposal and its long-term financial implications for the players. The owners over the last few days have embarked on a carefully strategized PR campaign to make this proposal seem like a good one for the players and try to rush a vote through before everybody knew what the implications were. Nobody wants a strike. Nobody wants a lockout. But the players are what makes the league work. Without them there is no NFL. They deserve more than what this CBA proposal calls for.

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    John Clayton@JohnClaytonNFL
    You sure get the feeling the players are going to vote down the the new CBA agreement. Not enough support for 17 games.

    Andrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
    This notion that if Players don’t take this deal they’ll be locked out in 13 months is more spin. The owners need labor peace to negotiate new media deals. That’s not changing.

    Charles Robinson@CharlesRobinson
    Part of this CBA push is #NFL owners eying the economy + TV ratings. #NFL owners see a perfect storm right now. Economy & ratings are strong. The fear is what does the landscape look like in a year? If a recession is triggered within 12 months, TV deals could change dramatically.

    Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
    Going back to the NFL for one last negotiation feels like the best option before putting the current proposal to a vote.

    Andrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
    What, exactly, is the risk in the NFLPA trying to get a better deal? That the NFL shuts down negotiations for 13 months while it tries to sell the networks on labor peace? Good luck with that.

    Darren Rovell@darrenrovell
    It’s not money in their pockets, so it’s hard to realize its impact now, but the biggest thing NFL players need to negotiate for is this: Lifetime Medical Coverage.

    Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
    I’m in full agreement here. But we’d need to sit out an entire season to get them to agree to this.

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    Andrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
    To everyone asking if I think the potential NFL CBA is a “bad” deal for the Players: it is more nuanced than that. I think the deal could be more “equitable” for both sides. And I know this: inequitable deals never are good, and the NFL does not want an inequitable deal here.

    For example, why would this CBA last 10 years when the Players top out at 48.5% of revenues next year? Why not (1) a shorter deal to assess the new economics, (2) earlier opt-outs or (3) incremental gains to 49% after four years, 49.5% after six years and 50% after eight years?

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    Dan Graziano@DanGrazianoESPN
    Sources: NFLPA board of player reps voted 17-14 with one abstaining to move the CBA vote to all players.

    Owners agreed to eliminate the $250,000 cap on earnings for 17th game.

    Jim Trotter@JimTrotter_NFL
    Interesting thoughts from some players reps and exec comm members when asked their gut feeling on whether CBA will be approved. General consensus: they don’t know. They expect it to be as close as EC and player rep votes, which were 6-5 against and 17-14-1 in favor.

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    Hub Arkush@Hub_Arkush
    One unintended consequence of new 17-game schedule/CBA, every other season each team plays one more road game than home game creating serious competitive disadvantage that year, a real advantage in the next. Impact on making or missing playoffs and seeding could be significant.

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    Hub Arkush@Hub_Arkush
    One unintended consequence of new 17-game schedule/CBA, every other season each team plays one more road game than home game creating serious competitive disadvantage that year, a real advantage in the next. Impact on making or missing playoffs and seeding could be significant.

    17 game schedule is just a horrible idea.

    horrible.

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    Andrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
    The easy narrative about the NFL CBA is that the stars are against it and the rank and file is for it. That stereotype is not true; we can give players more credit than that.

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    Andrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
    So many act like if the Players turn down the proposed CBA there will be Armageddon: no more negotiations, lockouts, strikes, etc. We are a year away from expiration, 20 months away from missed games. Owners want labor peace and 17 games; they need the Players to get it. Please.

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