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March 22, 2016 at 3:11 pm #40917AgamemnonParticipant
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Carson Wentz’s NFL draft range: QB a fit for Browns, CowboysBy Bucky Brooks
NFL Media analyst
Published: March 22, 2016 at 01:22 p.m.
Updated: March 22, 2016 at 03:03 p.m.The pre-draft process is an intel-gathering mission on prospective employees. And although certain prospects tend to attract groupthink in the scouting community, others generate the varied opinions that come from 32 different franchises with 32 unique approaches to talent evaluation. Former NFL player and scout Bucky Brooks is taking a closer at some of the most notable — and polarizing — prospects in the 2016 NFL Draft, to determine draft range and team fits.
Today’s subject: North Dakota State quarterback Carson Wentz
CEILING: High first round — Cleveland Browns (No. 2 overall), Dallas Cowboys (No. 4), San Francisco 49ers (No. 7).
FLOOR: Low first round — New York Jets (No. 20), Arizona Cardinals (No. 29), Denver Broncos (No. 31).
What I likeIt’s easy to fall in love with Wentz’s talent and potential as a franchise quarterback. Measuring 6-foot-5, 237 pounds with A-plus arm talent and spectacular athleticism, the North Dakota State standout is a dynamic playmaker capable of delivering explosive plays with his arm or feet. As a passer, he exhibits exceptional arm strength and range delivering laser-like tosses to every area of the field. Wentz fires the ball with terrific zip and velocity on tight-window throws, but he also shows the ability to throw with touch and timing on anticipatory tosses at intermediate range. Most importantly, he delivers the ball consistently within the pass catcher’s strike zone, resulting in “explosive” plays on various “catch and run” concepts on the perimeter. With Wentz displaying superb footwork and fundamentals executing traditional drops and shotgun mechanics, the North Dakota State standout shouldn’t have any problems transitioning to a pro-style offense at the next level.
From an athletic standpoint, Wentz’s unique combination of size, agility and movement skills makes him a threat on movement passes and designed quarterback runs. He can be especially dangerous in the red zone, as teams frequently forget to account for the quarterback on zone reads or quarterback powers between the tackles. Given Cam Newton’s success as a run-pass threat near the goal line, Wentz’s versatility will pique the interest of scouts looking for a difference maker at the position.
Finally, Wentz’s experience directing an offense that featured run-pass check and various pass protections should help him quickly master an NFL playbook. Unlike the quarterbacks that enter the NFL after working in a spread offense, Wentz already has valuable experience orchestrating the game from the line during the pre-snap phase. In addition, he has experience finding his designated “hot” receivers against blitz pressure, which is critical to success as a pro. Considering how much information an NFL quarterback must process at the line, Wentz’s experience in the Bison’s pro-style offense should give him a decided advantage over some of his peers at the position.
Why the range?Despite Wentz’s winning pedigree and prototypical physical tools, he remains a bit of a question mark, due to concerns regarding the level of competition he faced at the FCS level. Yes, he thoroughly dominated small-school opponents with his spectacular skills as a run-pass thereat, but scouts wonder how long it will take him to acclimate to the speed and tempo of the pro game. Although Wentz played well at the Senior Bowl, which features rosters loaded with top draft picks, evaluators will look at his performance against top competition (such as when he helped the Bison beat Iowa State in 2014) to see if he has the moxie to take his game up a notch when he faces blue-chip talent.
Wentz’s limited experience as a starter (only 24 career starts in one-and-a-half seasons) will also weigh on the minds of evaluators attempting to project his immediate potential as an NFL starter. Long-time coaches and scouts believe a quarterback needs to have significant reps at the position to succeed (Bill Parcells believed quarterbacks should have three years of starting experience, at least 23 career wins and a college degree to be successful as pros) at the highest level. While Wentz has certainly won plenty of games during his tenure, he falls short of the starting-experience metric, and the lack of repetitions could limit his immediate impact as a first-year starter. Though it seems unlikely now, fears that he’ll disappoint could help drop him to the bottom of the first round.
Where would he excel?Wentz is a talented quarterback prospect capable of thriving within any system. He has experience executing traditional concepts, but he also possesses the athleticism and movement skills to thrive in a spread offense that features zone-read and “RPO” (run-pass option) tactics. Thus, I believe he would thrive in Cleveland under the direction of coach Hue Jackson and assistant Pep Hamilton. Each coach has earned rave reviews for his development of young passers; Wentz would benefit greatly from working under a creative coaching staff capable of adapting the playbook to best suit the skills of the quarterback.
Wentz would also do well with the Dallas Cowboys and, should he last long enough, the Los Angeles Rams (who have the No. 15 overall pick), due to their strong rushing attacks and vertical-based passing games. As a strong-armed passer capable of pushing the ball down the field on deep comebacks and over routes, Wentz could excel in an offense deeply rooted in play-action passing concepts. Moreover, his ability to throw the deep ball would enhance the dynamic running games of each team and lead to more explosive plays for each squad. With the Cowboys providing Wentz with the opportunity to sit behind an established veteran in Tony Romo to learn the nuances of the game away from the spotlight, the North Dakota State standout could follow the blueprint that helped Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers become perennial Pro Bowlers at the position.
Follow Bucky Brooks on Twitter @BuckyBrooks.
March 22, 2016 at 3:12 pm #40918AgamemnonParticipant2016 NFL Draft: Will Cal QB Jared Goff be a star or a bust? Scouts say …
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/03/2016_nfl_draft_will_cals_jared_goff_be_a_star_or_a.html
Mark Eckel | For NJ Advance Media By Mark Eckel | For NJ Advance Media
on March 21, 2016 at 6:00 AM, updated March 21, 2016 at 7:51 AMThree scouts, none of whose teams need a quarterback, were not very high on Cal’s Jared Goff, who several media outlets have ranked as the safest and surest quarterback in this 2016 draft.
“I hope somebody takes him early, ahead of us,” one NFC scout said. “That would be great, drop a good player to us.
“I’m just not crazy about him, not at all. He doesn’t win. Show me a quarterback who didn’t win in college, that did well up here? There aren’t many. To me he’s another Jay Cutler. And you can take that any way you want.”
In three seasons as the starting quarterback for the Cal Bears, Goff went 1-11, 5-7 and 7-5 for a career record of 13-23.
There is always someone. A player expected to go very early in the draft, who falls and falls before finally hearing his name called. Some times it works out great, check Buffalo’s Thurman Thomas, or Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers. Here’s a list of players whose stock is falling for various reasons.
“People out there love this guy, we don’t,” said an AFC scout. “We don’t like him at all. He looks the part and all. But there’s just something about him that turns me off. Maybe it’s the slender build, or the small hands. I mean we’re not taking a quarterback early, but if we were it wouldn’t be him.”
One of the knocks on Goff, as the scout pointed out, is his hand size which measured just under nine inches. Memphis’ Paxton Lynch, who all three scouts ranked ahead of Goff, has 11 1/2-inch hands.
“The hand size really scares me,” another NFC scout said. “Did you see him play in bad conditions? He couldn’t throw a wet ball at all. He was terrible in the rain. He has some talent, for sure. He has a decent arm, can move a little. But he’s not always accurate. I’d be real leery about taking him real high.”
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