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    Report: NFL could push for 18-game schedule in labor talks

    Report: NFL could push for 18-game schedule in labor talks

    The NFL could seek an 18-game regular season or an expanded playoff field in a new labor deal, Mark Maske of the Washington Post reports. In return, Maske says, many owners are willing to offer players concessions to the commissioner’s disciplinary authority and to the marijuana policy.

    Maske quoted a high-ranking official with one NFL team saying “some owners . . . would like to expand the season” to 18 games but added it’s not clear “if there is much support from the players on that.”

    Players have adamantly opposed an expanded schedule, and Giants co-owner John Mara reiterated the NFLPA’s strong stance on that issue as recently as September. Packers CEO Mark Murphy repeatedly has stated his concerns about the impact of more games on the health and safety of players.

    The league, though, wants 18 games, especially with legalized gambling on the way, and it now has something to give up in order to create even more revenue.

    The NFL and NFLPA announced last week a joint committee will study the use of marijuana by players as a pain-management tool.

    The current collective bargaining agreement expires following the 2020 season, and NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith recently sent an email to all agents warning them to prepare for a full-season work stoppage in 2021.

    Both sides, though, appear hopeful that a better working relationship than in 2011 could lead to a labor deal before it comes to that.

    “I do hope it’s sooner rather than later,” NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said at last week’s owners’ meeting, via Maske. “I think there’s great value to all parties, and most importantly our fans, that we get this issue resolved and move forward. But there are important issues to be addressed, and we’re doing that.”

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    DeMaurice Smith Talks 18-Game Schedule

    https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/07/demaurice-smith-addresses-18-game-schedule-cba

    The enduring subject of an 18-game schedule has resurfaced. NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith confirmed a Wall Street Journal report (subscription required) indicating the NFL has broached the subject of an 18-game season, with 16-game limits per player, during the CBA talks.

    As has been the case for years when this subject has emerged, the union is not on board with adding two more regular-season games.

    “I don’t see an 18-game schedule — under any circumstance — being in the best interest of our players,” Smith said, via ESPN.com’s Cameron Wolfe. “If somebody wants to make an 18-game proposal, we’ll look at it. I haven’t seen anything that makes me think that it would be good for the players.”

    The NFL has used a 16-game schedule since 1978. It moved from 12 to 14 in 1961. Packers president Mark Murphy (via Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio) floated the idea of a 17-game compromise, with teams having eight home games, eight road games and one neutral-site contest — which would be a gateway to more international games. The Packers president, however, is not in favor of a 17- or 18-game schedule that limits players’ participation to 16 dates, calling it “gimmicky.”

    Murphy added that he would not rule out the prospect of two byes, which the league tried in 1993, and a revised schedule moving the Super Bowl to President’s Day weekend — which Florio adds the NFL has long supported. All of this would be contingent on the preseason being slashed by at least one game.

    Potential issues with salaries, roster construction, additional work commitments and players’ pensions could arise with the 18/16 format, not to mention certain fan dissatisfaction for when top players must sit out certain games.

    “Why is it our job to figure out how to make 18 games work as players? You tell someone you’re going to work longer and you figure out how to make it work? That doesn’t work,” Smith said. “It’s not our job to put that square peg in the round hole.

    “If a coal miner is willing to spend more time in the hole, does it likely result in more money? Yeah. Is that a good thing for him as a person? Probably not. That’s the question nobody confronts. It’s easy to say it’s more money. But is it good for us? The answer is no.”

    The NFL and NFLPA will reconvene from July 17-19 on their latest round of talks. Smith characterized the talks as “positive” but would not provide a timeline on their prospective conclusion. The sides want to reach an agreement before this season begins. This would come after years of Smith warning his workforce to save money in the likely event of a 2021 lockout.

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    Pete Prisco@PriscoCBS
    18 games in the NFL is coming. Get used to it. But players — aside from QBs — will still play 16 games. Rosters will be expanded. More jobs. More money. It will happen

    Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
    So you’d basically get a semi preseason team playing for two games a year during the season. If they don’t exempt the QB from the limit, the coaching staff would sit as many starters as possible when QB1 sat out so they’d be available to play all 16 games QB1 started.

    Alex Nassif@alex_nassif
    If you read the article it said exceptions would be made for QBs and specialists (kickers etc)

    Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
    Great so your QB gets hurt because the backup LT gets eaten alive.

    Which will happen at some point and we’ll all be looking at each other like a bunch of dumb—-s

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    It’s likely going to happen — an increase to the season. Our opinions are just opinions, etc. etc. But I’d rather see the NFL go back to 14 games, and no pre-season. None whatsoever.

    I think physics tells us these players just can’t handle 16, 17, 18 games, plus the 4 preseason, plus playoffs. They’re far too big and fast now, so their collisions are getting crazier and crazier.

    The human body wasn’t meant to take this kind of pounding, and it seems the NFL is hell-bent on adding to it. And, aside from the health and welfare of each individual player, just the quality of the play is diminished the longer the season goes.

    Same goes for NBA and MLB, as far as I’m concerned. I’d shorten their seasons, too.

    In short, I’d rather see quality than quantity, and think the quantity negatively impacts the quality, etc.

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    Howard Balzer@HBalzer721
    Can’t wait for the 18/16 NFL schedule when teams have to decide when to sit their starting offensive linemen! #ugly

    Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
    There’s no possible way the NFL was considering that. I think it was floated out there to see the reaction.

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    Peter King, from https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/15/peyton-manning-espn-nfl-show-fmia-peter-king/

    The 18-game schedule is nowhere near a reality. I heard that one or two teams are interested in what the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday the NFL has proposed discussing with the players as part of the CBA talks: an 18-game regular-season schedule, with each player eligible to play a maximum of 16 games. This is not a new idea—it’s been thrown around at league meetings as one idea to expand the inventory and enrich the league’s TV deals for years.

    “I can’t see it,” one plugged-in club official told me.

    I’ve always thought in an era when the reduction of head trauma is job one in everything the league does, the only way the NFL could even consider 18 games is with teams playing players a maximum of 16 weeks. But the details make it too hard. How would a team divvy up the starts, say, for the starting offensive line? Would they figure the starting tackles should play every week with the starting quarterback, and thus doom the backup in his two games to a run-for-your-life offensive scheme?

    The continued pursuit—or the continuing broaching—of an 18-game schedule is such a short-sighted and greedy thing. The NFL paid each team $275 million out of the league share of total revenue in 2018, and teams paid about $215 million annually in player costs (cap plus benefits). After that, teams can reap major raw profits over what they did in local team revenue.

    Someone in the NFL seems determined to kill the most golden of geese by pursuing, even in a passing way, this stupid idea. Greed, in this case, is not good.

    Fans don’t want 18 games either. I put out a Twitter poll Saturday and Sunday, asking if readers preferred a 16 or 18-game schedule. Of 13,533 voters, 79 percent said 16. Great comment from a Vikings fan, Jason Altland: “If I pay out the nose for decent tickets in Baltimore or New York to see my Vikings, I want to see all the healthy stars play. I don’t want to pay and end up with a [Stefon] Diggs or {Adam] Thielen bye game.”

    Pro Football Talk also polled its readers over the weekend about the 16/18-game idea, with more options than I offered … and 62 percent said they favored 16 games—with 8 percent saying they favored 18 with a maximum of 16 games per player per season.

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    Damien Woody@damienwoody
    The NFL should go to 2 preseason games. Most teams go into training camp pretty much knowing who’s making the 53. Teams are scrimmaging each other more so you actually get better tape of players on the fence

    Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
    For the record I’m strongly against 18 games in any form unless significant concessions are made from the owners, which won’t happen

    I’ve been hammering this for years when I can. The idea of “battling for roster spots” in the preseason is greatly exaggerated. Teams know 46-48 spots entering camp.

    TheIronman@LFletcher59
    NFL players are already struggling to make it through a 16 game season, added more games would lead to more short-term and long-term injuries. The owners don’t get that because it’s easy to be tough with someone else’s body. #NFL #18games

    Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
    18 games has always been on the table. I think the 18 games w/players only allowed to play 16 idea was floated to see the reaction to the idea which was universally negative.

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