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  • #51383
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    oldschoolramfan

    Go back and watch the first series vs. KC.

    We were 50/50 run vs. pass on offense…..Keenum underthrow was a good play call. Gurley, well he makes ANY O-Line look good, but the boys up front were getting push and creating space. Plus, we were down 7-0, and our Offense marched down and matched the TD with Gurley’s run…..That has been an issue with this team, not getting TD’s and just kicking FG’s……Now, we are actually putting the ball in the end zone.

    Also, we have had 2 comebacks in a row. This team is scoring points and winning close ball games, and though it is only pre-season, we do not usually do that. We also had a hard time scoring TD’s, but this team is getting the pig skin over the goal line.

    This Offense is so far so good IMHO…….Basic, fundamental football. No bag of tricks yet, and #11 has yet to be a factor because we are not going to show the playbook before we need to.

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    jrry32

    On the controversial TD to Brown, there were two defenders inside of him and wide open space outside of him. If Goff had thrown it to the inside, Brown would have been tackled and the defender might have been able to make a play on the ball. Goff threw to the outside shoulder to lead Brown to open space. Brown should have been expecting it there.

    Goff should start. It’s not about earning the position. The Rams didn’t give up what they gave up for Goff to be the #2 QB. He’s the guy. It’s about getting him reps with the 1s to gauge if he’s ready to step out in Week 1 and start or if we need to sit him. Let’s get Goff the reps and try to get him up to speed for Week 1. I think he can do it. He made some rookie mistakes but nobody doubts the kid’s ability to throw the football. Keenum is a good decision-maker, but he’s not a good thrower. And that limits our offense.

    Goff may not be a better option over the first 4 weeks. But he’ll get the mistakes out of the way, learn, and become the better option moving forward. By the time we reach the playoffs, he’ll be a big positive. Hell, to offer an example, Winston struggled throughout the preseason last year. His stats were terrible.

    Winston’s first 4 games

    73/133
    54.9%
    965 yards
    7.3 YPA
    6 TDs
    7 Ints
    71.2 QB Rating

    Winston’s final 12 games

    239/402
    59.5%
    3077 yards
    7.7 YPA
    16 TDs
    8 Ints
    88.5 QB Rating

    We know who Keenum is. I saw what Keenum could do last year when the game was on his shoulders. We need someone who can take a game over. He’ll be fine without the reps. The Rams need to see where Goff is at against the other team’s best guys. This isn’t about competition. This is about figuring out how far Goff is from being ready to play.

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    Our HBs look great. Britt is looking good. Quick is not. Kendricks looks good. OL performed solidly today. Our DL depth should be a strength again.

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    We need Gaines back healthy, and Troy Hill should be playing over Sensabaugh. Sensabaugh does a great job of being in the position to make a tackle after he gives up catch after catch.

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    Last year our offense ranked 31st in points per drive. Time of possession is irrelevant. Our offense simply didn’t score. That’s not the defense’s fault. We would have been a lot worse than 7-9 if we had a defense that gave up more points.

    2015 Rams
    Points Per Drive Scored – 31st
    Point Per Drive Allowed – 8th

    To rank a defense you can’t use a stat that measures defensive points per game given up. That stat counts pick sixes, kick return TDs, punt return TDs, fumble recovery TDs, etc. None of those TDs come against the defense. This stat is points per game allowed by the defense:

    https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-offensive-points-per-game

    And look where the Rams are…in the top 10.

    You can also use this stat…Points Per Drive Allowed:

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsdef2015

    The Rams are 8th in that. Our defense was 8th best at not allowing the offense to score on a per drive basis. That’s amazing

    It’s a defensive philosophy. A defensive philosophy that allowed our defense to rank #9 in Defensive Points Per Game Allowed in 2015 and #5 in Defensive Points Per Game Allowed in 2014.

    #51388
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    That is a lot of work for nothing. It really won’t make Goff a better QB next year to be the immediate starter this year. He needs about 10 starts this year to be ready for next year. That will come in the normal course of events. Keenum will get hurt or have a bad game/s, then Goff can play. It won’t make much difference if Goff starts every game this year, as long as he isn’t a rookie next year. imo

    Agamemnon

    #51393
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    It won’t make much difference if Goff starts every game this year, as long as he isn’t a rookie next year. imo

    Makes sense to me.

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    #51396
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    On the controversial TD to Brown, there were two defenders inside of him and wide open space outside of him. If Goff had thrown it to the inside, Brown would have been tackled and the defender might have been able to make a play on the ball. Goff threw to the outside shoulder to lead Brown to open space. Brown should have been expecting it there.

    that’s what i saw too. smart play by goff if that’s what he meant to do which is what i think he meant to do.

    i think people are getting antsy cuz the last five #1 picks have started game 1. it’s that crazy troll logic going on. i’d be lying if i said that thought didn’t go through my mind.

    #51438
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    stlramz

    While I own season tickets in LA, I never intended to attend the second preseason game. Though I live in Cali, I live in the part that is 15 minutes from Oregon so its still a hike. However, having missed the first game due to a plane cancellation, I decided to bite the bullet and go to the game.

    First, I’ll join some of the other long time fans in first saying how surreal the whole experience was. The Los Angeles Rams, playing at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

    Though I have been a fan since I was 5 (1975), I didn’t live in Los Angeles so my first Rams experience at the Coliseum was the Rams v. Raiders with the Rams as the visiting team (a W) and again in 1993? (a loss on a late Ronnie Lott INT). That said, I have also been a student of the history of the Rams and the Coliseum is really Exhibit A of that illustrious history. 1946-1979 – over three decades at this historical stadium. Given the way NFL Stadiums have become disposable, it is hard to imagine the Rams ever spending so much time at any future site. Indeed, assuming Inglewood opens in 2019 – it will be in the 2050s when the Rams would begin to approach the same number of years in that stadium.

    I would estimate that there were probably 50-60000 people at this game. Not the 90000 of the first game, but still hugely impressive for a 2nd week of preseason. I have no doubt that the stadium will be fully rocking (think 90,000) when the seahawks come to town in week 2. That is going to be special.

    I will say when the game started, they played that “coming home” soundtrack and were intermingling video from hard knox week 1 where Goodell announces the Rams are moving to LA and they showed those clips of the Edward jones dome getting cleared out. Though I am thrilled the Rams are in California, I have to admit some real heartfelt sadness watching that clip. Some of the best memories I will ever have (1999 v. Minny, 1999 v. Tampa, 1999 v. 49ers, 2001 v. Dolphins, 2001 v. Green Bay, 2001, v. Philly 2001) took place in that stadium I was watching being dismantled on the big screen.

    Nostalgia aside, there is something awesome about being at the game. My view was from the 20 yard line about 60 rows up. Not my perfect seats, but still a nice vantage point to watch the game. It is from those seats that I make the following observations:

    1. Offensive Line. If there is one weak link that I believe has prevented this team from getting to the playoffs outside of the obvious black hole at QB its been the play of the offensive line. What was immediately noticeable at this game was that our offensive line appears to be gelling nicely and will likely be a force this year. All of this without arguably last years MVP on the line Hav. I actually watched GR and Tim Barnes quite a bit this game and both seemed to play very well. They gave the QB time, they opened holes and, if this game was any indication, I am looking forward to watching the our o line become the center of an offense that can dictate some things particularly in the running game. During the 2nd half, GR was dancing and hamming it up on the sideline. Dude appears relaxed and confident. Right where I want him to be.

    2. RBs: Not saying anything new here. We have a true stable of backs. Todd, Benny and Malcolm. 3 deep and each have their own skill sets. I am already a huge benny fan but Malcolm seems to be getting it done as well dating back to the last game of the year last year. Very excited about our backs.

    3. QB. I like Case Keenum. He represents to me the type of player you want on your team. Gritty, competitive, with some pedigree (all time leader in several NCAA passing categories). That said, on the play action to Britt – YIKES. That play occurred in front of me. Britt had his guy beat badly and Case launched a grossly underthrown ball. We got bailed out by the obvious PI but that was bad. That said, he seems so much more comfortable then Goff. You can see the game is moving way too fast for Goff right now and Keenum is the clear starter at this point and frankly, I hope they let Case guide us through the first 4 weeks at least.

    The best analogy I can think of for what is going on with Goff was when I moved to LA from my small town to go to school. Though I was an aggressive driver at home, I found myself merging from the 110 to the 10 leaving school and being nervous, wanting the radio turned off, looking around, clutching the steering wheel being freaked out by the speed of the traffic. Fast forward 2 months and I was the hitting that merge with the radio on, shaving with an electric razor, turning the radio and eating food and passing everyone. The traffic had slowed down.

    I figured I had the congested driving figured out by driving in LA then I spent 4 months in Athens, Greece and realized the jump from my hometown to LA was High School to College and LA to Athens was College to the NFL. Yes, the driving “slowed down” after a few months, but it was thinking, panicking and not reacting for several months as you become adjusted to the speed and style of “play”. (By the way driving in Cairo Egypt is the NFL Playoffs in case you are wondering).

    So it is clear to me that the game is too fast for Goff right now. He is the country driver with mad skills driving in the “big city” for the first time. You can see flashes and I have no concerns over him long term. Glad to have him even at the price we paid, but he aint ready. He needs to drive some more and get used to the speed before we give him the keys to the car.

    With the growth of the oline, I think our Keenum can keep us competitive and in the hunt for the season and let Goff figure things out.

    WR: Does anybody think if Quick was a UDFA or a 7th round pick he would be still on the team? Remember the Vince Jackson comparisons? It worked for 1-2 season as it would for anyone that doesn’t produce initially. However, by now Jackson already put up 1000 yards and was on to season 5 putting up another one. Brian Quick? Not so much. Dropping multiple passes. Enough already. He appears willing to block and does so fairly well for a WR, but come on, you have to catch the ball. Would love to see him go after the first cuts and make room for some of the youngsters to get some reps. Britt, TA, Cooper and Spruce appear to be locks. Do we waste the 5th spot on a guy that had done nothing in his first 4 years and appears to be regressing in this 5th? Pass. Let the youngsters fight it out over the next couple of weeks and lets admit the mistake and move on already.

    TE. Didn’t get to see baby Gronke, but what is not to like about him. Haven’t heard anything about his legal case, but unless you kill someone (I’m looking at you Hernandez), from what I understand of his case, he should skate. Really looking forward to seeing what the kid can do. By the way, the absence of Cook is a beautiful thing. I really enjoyed NOT seeing him at the game.

    On Defense, I am very concerned about the loss of Rodney McCloud. I think that one hurts the most. Though I trust Fisher to take care of the secondary. In fact, its one area that I think is a real strength of his (along with RBs), there appears to be some problems in the backfield. I understand not paying JJ the big bucks, but I didn’t get the McCloud non-signing. I am not comfortable at all with this unit and I can hear LARAM talking about Tru not being exposed to the other teams #1 like he will be each week this year. Hope things get better when the full force of Quinn, Hayes, Brockers and Donald are all playing together.

    LBs. I didn’t get a good feel for what is going on but I like Tree and love Barron. I figure our Dline (assuming the health of Quinn) will be a strength. I just hope it doesn’t take 9 games to start to gel etc. Frankly, I am worried about our defense right now and they have not inspired against either Dallas’s 1st or 2nd team nor KC’s Johnny Unit . . .I mean Alex Smith.

    Hope to see some improvement in week 3 against Denver.

    Overall, a really fun experience. After hearing some of the nightmares about parking and getting out, I lucked into a spot across from the stadium at some dudes apartment complex and I was back at the airport literally 30 minutes after the game. That’s my spot from here out!

    I’ve really kept my expectations lower this year but after watching the oline play and looking at the points for category (49 in two games), I’m thinking we may see an uptick in our offensive play. The type that may move the needle from 7-9 to 9-7 or 10-6. (Yeah, Im getting sucked in again particularly in light of Fisher owning his 5th full year with a team (13-3).

    If they end up sucking, well, there is always next year

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