Is this the worst ram pass offense ever?

rfl wrote:

Thanks, WV. Appreciate the response.

Now, I agree. This is not a bad team. It’s a 9-7; 8-8 team. It’s probably a bit better than average.

I guess the question is, is that an appropriate return on the investment in Fisher over 4 seasons?

And a couple of things in specifics. First, I see virtually no evidence of potential in the Ram passing game. Foles looks really, really bad. I simply don’t believe a genuinely good QB looks like this. Britt and Cook flash at times, but both have shown themselves over their careers to be flakes. Quick? Bailey? Both seem to be shrinking, not growing.

And, see, that’s the thing. You mention coaches. Well, this coaching staff has had Quick and Bailey and Britt and Cook for years. And they are getting worse, not better. Where is there any evidence that this coaching staff has any capacity to get quality performance out of these guys except for once in a while? Hell, Fisher is widely known as a guy who struggles to coach a passing attack, even when he had a genuinely quality QB at TENN.

You know, this whole thing of coaching is a strange matter. People expect performance due to talent, but then they talk about relying on coaches to overcome weak roster areas, and they often show a blind faith in the magic of time to improve units that remain stuck in mediocrity … or worse.

My friend, you are one who does hold a coaching staff responsible from year to year. Last year was Year 3. This year is Year 4.

And the best Fisher can do is talk as if the offense needs time to work out the kinks.

The fact is that Fisher has brought in … J Long, Cook, Britt, Quick, Tavon, Stedman, Foles, and the youngsters on the OL. He re-signed Saffold when OAK knew the guy had suspect shoulders. He let Barksdale go. Those are all his acquisitions and decisions. He OWNS THIS BLEEDING OFFENSE! IT’S YEAR 4. And we are STILL hearing him blather on about how they need to solve basic problems that nearly all NFL offenses solve on a routine basis.

No, this is not a bad team. But Fisher to me has no track record that suggests his staff is going to be able to solve passing game challenges in 2015 or 2016.

Ah, well …

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Well, you know, I’ve been thinking about how LONG fisher
lasted in Tennessee. He was there for a gazillion years,
even though most of his seasons were mediocre or worse.

Now everyone has there ideas about why his teams went up and
down, but the fact is he had a lot of mediocre seasons — and
the owner kept him all those years.

And i am gonna ‘guess’ that the reason is, a lot of those
teams were ‘close’ to being good. All those 8-8 teams —
tantalyzingly close to being good. Maybe its hard
to fire a guy when you think, “well, they just
need one more year and one more draft, etc…”

Thats kinda where “I” am anyway — the team IS
close. Its not a bad team. They played
the Pack close, and the Vikes close, and Pitt
close and of course beat Seattle and Ariz, etc.

So, assuming Finishes around .500 again — do
you start over? Or look at it, like, the
team is very close, stay the course.

I dunno. Everyone has their own take on Fisher.

What i HOPE is that in eight weeks we are
not sitting here talking about a .500 record.
There’s eight more games. Maybe they beat
the Bears at home. Maybe they beat
the faltering Ravens. That puts them
at 6-4, and who knows…maybe their
coming-out game will be with the Bengals.

We’ll see. Basically, I’m saying
the season aint over. Its still too
early to evaluate Year 4.

w
v

rfl wrote:

wv wrote:

Now everyone has there ideas about why his teams went up and
down, but the fact is he had a lot of mediocre seasons — and
the owner kept him all those years.

And i am gonna ‘guess’ that the reason is, a lot of those
teams were ‘close’ to being good. All those 8-8 teams —
tantalyzingly close to being good. Maybe its hard
to fire a guy when you think, “well, they just
need one more year and one more draft, etc…”

This is very interesting. A pattern of mediocrity that perpetually teases but rarely actually breaks through into excellence. Even ’99 was more of a miracle over-achievement than the arrival of a great team.

He just might be the ideal case of a glass half-full and half-empty. Do you hope for the half-full glass to fill to the brim? Or do you realize it will never be full?

Personally, I see this as an indictment of a perpetually mediocre coach who will generally tease without paying off. Sounds about right as a description of what we’ve seen for 4 years!

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Well, if he ‘only’ had mediocre years, he wouldnt have lasted.

He had 13 win teams, THREE times. And one 12 win team. One 11 win team.
And one 10 win team. So thats six good-to-very good teams.

Then he also had Ten mediocre-to-bad teams in Tenn.
And three mediocre teams in St.Louis.
And then this year which is mediocre so far, but still eight games
to go.

I dunno what any of that proves, other
than he HAS built good teams.
Six times.

So, ‘staying the course’ isn’t totally
irrational, i would argue. Though,
in all those years, he’s never won a Ring.

w
v