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  • #108075
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-sense-of-this-loss/id1477535034?i=1000456508011

    Making Sense of This Loss 11 Personnel: A show about the Los Angeles Rams

    Rich Hammond and Vinny Bonsignore analyze the Rams’ embarrassing loss to the Steelers. They discuss the backlash directed at Jared Goff and Sean McVay, and how it may not be fair. Also, no one is answering questions about Todd Gurley’s use, but the game tape may just be telling enough on its own. Most importantly, Vinny makes an announcement.

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    #108078
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    I like Vinny. Too bad he’s leavin.

    Anyway, they said what we’ve all said — Gurley. OLine.

    Its unfixable this year.

    Gurley is unfixable, period. And thats big. He was special. Now, thats gone.
    I mean its like tryin to replace Faulk. Good luck.

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    #108079
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    btw, At about the 26 min mark, Vinny sez whitworth (and Havenstein) regressed this year. He dont think the problem is just the young guys.

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    #108097
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    btw, At about the 26 min mark, Vinny sez whitworth (and Havenstein) regressed this year. He dont think the problem is just the young guys.

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    He says both OTs regressed (and that Hav may not be 100% and was dealing with an injury). I agree that that is huge. How do you think this OL would have looked if from game 1 on, the 2 OTs were playing at their first-half-of-2018 level? I assume it would have been playing pretty well. I doubt we would be hearing this idea that 2 new young starters made the OL play out of sync.

    For all the talk saying the young guys are bad, I kept wanting to say…but the ones who really let the offense down were the 2 experienced vets.

    I hope the Rams don’t leap to the wrong conclusions in line-building and like many fans blame everything on the new starters. IMO that’s not a balanced or realistic analysis, and it also flies in the face of how good OLs are actually built throughout the NFL.

    For example VB and RH talked about how the Vikings turned their OL around this year, which was absolutely miserable as a unit last year. A lot of it was just young guys developing.

    #108107
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    btw, At about the 26 min mark, Vinny sez whitworth (and Havenstein) regressed this year. He dont think the problem is just the young guys.

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    He says both OTs regressed (and that Hav may not be 100% and was dealing with an injury). I agree that that is huge. How do you think this OL would have looked if from game 1 on, the 2 OTs were playing at their first-half-of-2018 level? I assume it would have been playing pretty well. I doubt we would be hearing this idea that 2 new young starters made the OL play out of sync.

    For all the talk saying the young guys are bad, I kept wanting to say…but the ones who really let the offense down were the 2 experienced vets.

    I hope the Rams don’t leap to the wrong conclusions in line-building and like many fans blame everything on the new starters. IMO that’s not a balanced or realistic analysis, and it also flies in the face of how good OLs are actually built throughout the NFL.

    For example VB and RH talked about how the Vikings turned their OL around this year, which was absolutely miserable as a unit last year. A lot of it was just young guys developing.

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    Well, I dont follow things closely enough, and I dont have enuff intel to know what ‘exactly’ went wrong with the OLine. I assume its a combo of age, injuries, youth, and possibly a bad personnel decision or two. But i really
    cant say what the percentages are on those factors. I’m sure it will be hashed and rehashed all year long. Lots of questions.

    You ‘seem’ to be saying none of the personnel decisions were blame-worthy. Yes? No? You seem to be saying they picked the right guys, but they were just young and inexperienced, and the older guys started showing some injuries/age.

    I have no idea.

    I just know, its not fixable this year, and the offense is going to be lame now, and the media is going to mock McVay.

    The good thing, is, there are a lot of good-to-great UNITS on this team. WRS-very good. TEs-good. QB-good-enough. Defense-very-good. Special-teams-very-good.

    They have a lot to work with.

    I still trust them to build a good OLine next year. It can be done in one
    year. If they dont do that next year, then I’m gonna start doubting them.

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    #108111
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    You ‘seem’ to be saying none of the personnel decisions were blame-worthy. Yes? No? You seem to be saying they picked the right guys, but they were just young and inexperienced, and the older guys started showing some injuries/age.

    Yeah I believe that. That’s my take. I think at least Edwards, NB, and Evans will be part of any future Rams
    “fixed,” better OL. I don;t think those are bad personnel decisions at all.

    #108112
    Avatar photojoemad
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    – good podcast….

    -Season changed after Noteboom’s injury vs SF…. i know they dropped 2 in a row prior to SF, but the losses to TB and Sea had other factors than the offensive line….each of those games should’ve been W’s

    -Of course McVay’s play calling is going to change based on the state of the offensive line… that’s what good OCs and coaches must do… it’s maddening when coaches don’t change their play calling based on personnel health/capabilities.

    – Pittsburgh did a great job grinding the clock in the 4th qtr….

    -Blyth, Whitworth etc “step back”.. that happens when half the line is hurt…..

    -Rams need to get themselves in position to get luck go their way….. bounces haven’t gone their way…

    -I didn’t realize VB will cover the Raiders…. i liked him too…. he was responsive to fans on social media.

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