GR working out with LeCharles Bentley

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  • #40740
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    Bentley lives in Cleveland, and owns the L. Bentley O-Line Academy in Avon, Ohio. It is a facility that takes a comprehensive approach to teaching offensive line skills.

    #40742
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    https://www.periscope.tv/OLineWorld65/1LyxBmNYzmOJN

    This is video of the workout.

    Agamemnon

    #40743
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    No downside to that, but
    I remember Kaepernik did off-season work with Kurt,
    and look how that turned out.

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    #40766
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    Didn’t CoachO maintain that Robinson wouldn’t watch film or study or work properly? That the vets couldn’t get him to do the proper work? This should be an improvement for him.

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    CoachO, Dec 14, 2015

    While this article is a good read, it’s also an oversimplification of what is going on here. With all due respect to Mr. Bentley this is a propaganda piece in order to promote his camp.

    If it were as simple as fixing the stance then most high school coaches could and would recognize it and voila problem fixed.

    This has as much to do with preparation and just knowing what you are supposed to do on every play. Watch him break the huddle and notice his body language walking to the LOS. He has virtually zero confidence and it shows. I’ve beaten this to death in here, but until he figures out how to prepare as a professional player and stops thinking all he has to do is rely on his athleticism, all the “technique” work isn’t gonna matter.

    Pre snap recognition is non existent. And that is 100% a lack of preparation. Taking the things they work on during the week on the practice field and not utilizing it on Sunday is the problem. When he doesn’t know what to do, he takes a false step, which causes him to be out of position, which usually leads to a holding penalty or just flat getting beat. Or he is slow off the ball which causes the “technique” issues.

    CoachO, Dec 9, 2015 Last edited: Dec 9, 2015

    I can see your point about having too many issues to concentrate on. But at the same time I come back to it being more mental than physical. He just isn’t comfortable enough in his assignment which causes him to either hesitate or flat out do the wrong thing.

    I think it’s him not being mature enough to dedicate himself to do what it takes to “prepare as a professional” I understand that the veterans of the unit (Barnes, Reynolds and Saffold) have tried to take him aside and help show him how to watch film. How to prepare. And he just wasn’t all that interested in putting in the time.

    A few weeks ago, I read something where he (Robinson) acknowledged that it has been an adjustment for him. He admitted that he’s always been able to get by on his physical skills and the struggles he was having were more from “off field” issues. I took this to mean “in the classroom”.

    At some point the responsibility has to fall on the player. If that light bulb doesn’t come on soon, he won’t be in the league very long. On the other hand, assuming it clicks for him, he can and should be a very good LT for a decade.

    CoachO, Dec 9, 2015

    For all the flack Boudreau gets in this forum, there isn’t a coach on this team who is more detail oriented. He is constantly coaching these guys on technique. Be it hand placement, footwork or just correcting “who” they are supposed to block on any given play. So yes, they coach these guys on technique and fundamentals constantly.

    From what I’ve been told, the issue is work ethic. Greg Robinson has never had to learn how to be better because he has always been so physically better than those he lined up agaist, that the “mental side” of his game was unnecessary. He played in a system at auburn that had four running plays and one protection in pass pro.

    Getting him in the film room and actually retaining the things they ask of him have been the biggest challenges.

    I was told just the other day that there were at least three separate instances in the Cardinals game where he failed to recognize a blitz that came from the outside. After it was specifically made a point of emphasis during the week in both the film room and on the practice field. All three plays resulted in Foles running for his life and throwing the ball away.

    The technique issues he has are more from not knowing what he is supposed to do on any given play which causes him to either hesitate at the snap or in the case of not recognizing the blitz, taking a false step inside and not being able to recover in time to handle HIS assignment.

    Now with all that being said, I feel the need to say that we as fans tend to focus on individuals and how we think they are performing. Of all the units on any football team, the OLINE is all about cohesion. It’s not as much about the individuals as it is the sum of the parts. And with all the injuries there just isn’t going to be much cohesion and consistency. Robinson has lined up next to FIVE different guys who have taken their turn at LG in 12 weeks. That is bound to be an issue for a guy who is still trying to figure it out.

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    This is just me thinking about the people out there who say, well, Pace started out fast, why can’t GR. Actually there were several linemen from that draft (97), and from that era, that were playing pretty well from the get-go. You used to be able to count on it. Linemen went in the 1st round precisely because they were ready. Now, they go in the first round because they are somewhat readiER than others, and, also, because they represent longterm investments in a certain talent level.

    Though….I am not sure why people think Pace was THAT good initially, since in fact, in a series of interviews, Hanifan made it absolutely clear that Pace needed to listen and to improve and that it took some doing. Hanifan likes to tell the story about how he had to work to get Pace’s attention. Pace needed work too, just like GR does now…just less of it.

    That aside though, yeah Pace…and a lot of linemen…started off better than they tend to now. That includes in 97 Walter Jones. Tarik Glenn, and Ross Verba (all 1st round LOTs from that year’s draft).

    But there’s a difference. Or, 2 differences. In 97 players came from more pro-oriented college offenses and had more real face-time and practice time with NFL coaches. Since then, the spread has messed up the transition for college linemen (there have been several articles about this in recent years) AND the new CBA limits practice time and contact with coaches.

    That is why virtually NO LOT taken in the first round the last few years has started out well–the percentage is very low. The percentage does not improve much in their second years. I have done the numbers on this before, using the old PFF grades when they were still available.

    The era when 4 1st round LOTs can play pretty well as rookies—as Pace, Jones, Glenn, and Verba ALL did in 97—was over a long time ago. Asking for that NOW (“that” being multiple 1st round LOTs performing at least pretty well as rookies) is just impossible.

    IMO, if GR is still struggling in year 3, it’s an issue. Before then, any complaints are just coming from a place where people ignore too much (like the effect of the college spread on linemen developing as pros these days).

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