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October 12, 2016 at 10:43 pm #55113
znModeratorAlden Gonzalez, ESPN Staff Writer
Rams coach Jeff Fisher was asked by Lions reporters about his plan for Jared Goff. “He’s getting better every week,” Fisher said. “He’s proven since he got here. Had a really good offseason; I was pleased with his training camp. He and Case (Keenum) and Sean (Mannion) are getting along great. Jared and Sean, rather, are ready to play. And right now I’m enjoying Case under center. That’s the most important thing. But Jared is coming along. He’s everything we thought he was going to be, and time will tell. No timetable as far as that’s concerned.”
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0577932562303817659-4
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Me: that’s a little confused. He both says Jared and Sean are ready to play, AND that “Jared is coming along.”
If I had to guess I would say they okay with Goff as a back-up at this point but not ready to switch out the qbs.
But then he also said he wouldn’t trade Bradford so that all sounds a little elusive to me.
I suspect the only way Keenum takes it the rest of the way is if they are in a playoff hunt and don’t want to mess with that.
Then again I am more okay with Keenum than most. The usual response to that is to say he’s not a starting franchise caliber back, but we all know that. I just think that as a placeholder qb, he’s better than most #2 types would be at that role.
The most they will say about Keenum is that you can win with him. And saying you’re enjoying the qb being under center is not a strong endorsement, really. It’s kind of both faint praise and encouragement for Keenum.
That’s how I read it anyway.
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October 13, 2016 at 12:35 am #55121znModeratorRams Notes: Jared Goff remaining patient, as are team’s coaches
RICH HAMMOND / STAFF WRITER
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/goff-731988-rams-every.html
THOUSAND OAKS – Jared Goff stands – apparently with patience – and waits to enter a regular-season game, even as his quarterback contemporaries have formed a conga line into their respective huddles.
Goff, the Rams’ No. 1 overall pick in this year’s draft, has yet to take a snap. Goff was inactive for the season opener and has been the backup for the past four games. Rams coaches have taken a tortoise-slow attitude with Goff’s development but have expressed nothing but satisfaction with the rookie.
Meanwhile, around the league, rookie quarterbacks are playing. Philadelphia’s Carson Wentz, taken second overall, has started four games. Denver’s Paxton Lynch, taken at No. 26, made his first start last week. Third-round picks Jacoby Brissett (New England) and Cody Kessler (Cleveland) have started.
Among the first six quarterbacks selected last April, only Goff and second-round pick Christian Hackenberg (New York Jets) have yet to take a regular-season snap. Is Goff feeling any frustration?
“Every situation is different,” Goff said after Wednesday’s practice at Cal Lutheran. “All of these guys who are doing well right now, I’m happy for them. Most of them I’m good friends with, and they’ve done a good job and I’m very happy for them.”
The Rams’ comfort level with Goff seems to be rising. After the preseason, Coach Jeff Fisher indicated Goff wasn’t ready for an NFL game, thus the inactive status for the opener. This week, Fisher said it was possible Goff would get into a game if the Rams were leading or trailing by a large margin.
Goff, who turns 22 on Friday, is younger than all five of the rookie quarterbacks who have played this season – Dallas’ Dak Prescott, a fourth-round pick, has started all five games – and Rams coaches said they’re pleased with Goff’s development, and not only as their scout-team quarterback in practices.
“A lot of time, you understand how a person is learning by the questions he’s asking,” offensive coordinator Rob Boras said. “He’s not asking rookie questions anymore. He’s starting to ask more advanced, the (college-level) 301- or 401-type questions. So for me, it starts there.”
Goff was asked if he thought his understanding of the game has progressed beyond rookie status.
“I hope so,” Goff said. “I think I’ve progressed ever since I got here, and I don’t think I’ve ever plateaued or gone backward. I think I’ve gotten better every time, every week, every day. I feel good. I just feel like every day and every week has gotten more and more natural and more like second nature.”
October 13, 2016 at 3:00 am #55136znModeratornote: there are competing views on starting rookie qbs. Here’s one view.
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Parcells philosophy and Fisher’s are almost identical. Play good defense and special teams, run, run and run some play action. The common denominator with those 3 coaches are each found a QB to run their offense. Bledsoe, Brady, Marino, Simms, Hostetler. I’m sure with the right QB, Fisher’s offense would succeed also. Perhaps that guy is Goff. Can’t wait to find out.
But.
Sunday night, I wanted to see Goff start in Detroit. Yesterday, I wanted to see Goff start if we lost in Detroit. Today, I wonder if he’ll start anytime soon, if we win ugly in Detroit and London. And seeing how that’s the way we win most Sundays, we could do that.
But if he does start, who thinks we’ll win anymore than we would without him? And if we don’t, I don’t think that is a statement to how good (or bad) Goff is as an NFL QB.
The only top 3 picks to have a winning record the last 5 years were Luck and RG3. We know Luck is the real deal but we also know what RG3 has done since. Nada, zilch. And he had a pretty damn good rookie year……3200 yards, 20 TDs, 5 picks, 102.4 QBR. Truth is, whatever a rookie QB does in his rookie year doesn’t necessarily mean squat.
Jameis Winston threw for 4042 yards with 22 TDs and 15 picks last year while going 6-10. Huge things were expected of him in 2016. He’s well on his way to 20+ TDs (9 in 5 games) but he’s also well on his way to 20 picks (8 in 5 games). And his team is still under .500.
Mariota threw 4 TDs in his first game, had another 4 TD game in midseason and a couple of 3 TD games. But he had 6 games in which he didn’t get 2 TD passes, 5 of which were goose eggs. He never threw more than 2 picks in a game and finished with a higher QB rating than Winston despite Winston averaging almost 20 yard more per game.
The average winning percentage of rookie QBs taken in the top 3 of the first round the last 5 years is .419 (between 6 and 7 wins) in their rookie year. The average yards per game is 230. The average for TD passes is 19.3. The average for interceptions is 13.7. The average QB rating is around 84.8.
For those fans who want to see Goff in and learning on the fly, that’s going to happen whenever he starts.
For those fans who want to see Goff in and leading the Rams to wins, that’s a 50/50 proposition. And in either case, it won’t predict the future or determine whether he was the “right pick” or a “disaster of a pick”.
Personally, I don’t think we’re going anywhere with Keenum. I don’t think our run game will ever open up with him under center. And that may be a reason some point to when putting forth an opinion that maybe Goff shouldn’t start (“he’ll be under constant pressure without a run game”). But I think if he’s facing 8 in the box consistently, he’ll make them pay much more than Keenum will. Whether that’s enough to overcome his errors (of which there will undoubtedly be a few) is anyone’s guess. But I think it’ll be enough to give Gurley more space than he’s currently getting.
His arm is going to make up for a lot and arguably he’s on a better team than Winston and Mariota were last year. Which explains some of the hesitation with starting him. The Rams are expecting “better things” as a team this year. Starting a rookie might bring negative results.
October 14, 2016 at 12:29 am #55182znModeratorSome follow-up
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Go back to Peyton Manning who I thought played well in his rookie year. Better in the second half of that season than in the beginning. He threw 26 TDs, which alone or even against the record number of picks he threw, was still phenominal. As far as the team he played for, they were 3-13 the year before he came aboard and 3-13 in his rookie year. But the two years previous to the first 3-13 season, they were a playoff team going to the AFC title game in 1995. They did have Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison and Ken Dilger and Marcus Pollard. But we all know he was talented himself.
Tim Couch? He was on an expansion team and he suffered for it.
McNabb? He didn’t play much his rookie year.
Akili Smith? He wasn’t a talented QB. The Bengals did fine, well at least got to .500 after Kitna took over.
Pennington was taken 18th and didn’t play much either.
Vick? Started 2 games his rookie season, played in 6 others.
David Carr?
Joey Harrington?
Carson Palmer? Sat his first season
Byron Leftwich? Drafted #7, joined a 6-10 Jaquar team who finished 5-11. Started 13 games, went 5-8. Didn’t distinguish himself too much. Schedule included 6 playoff teams, 6 sub .500 teams and an 8-8 Saints team.
Eli Manning? Joined a 4-12 Giants team. Started the last 7 games, went 1-6 winning the final game of the year. Completed more than 52% of his passes in two, surpassed 200 yards once in the seven games. Competition was stiff. 15-1 Steelers, 13-3 Eagles, 11-5 Falcons, 9-7 Ravens. Can we say he “played well”?
Rivers? Sat behind Brees his rookie year.
Roethlisberger? Drafted #11, played real well.
Alex Smith?
Vince Young?
JaMarcus Russell?
Matty Ice? Played real well his rookie year.
Stafford? Okay, some say he played well because of the 0-16 Lions. He got them 2 wins.
Sanchez? He brough his team to the AFC Championship Game his first two years. Was it him or his team? Where is he now?
Bradford? How did he play? ROY.
Newton?
Locker?
Luck?
Griffen?
Tannehill?
Bortles?
Winston?
Mariota?All highly drafted QBs. Did they all play well? Of course not. Did they all join crappy teams? No. Is there a standard we can draw from when deciding who should start and who should sit? Not really.
But some guys make it sound so easy. Yup, drafted high, gotta play. Yup. It ain’t like that.
But……that being said, I would like to see Goff under center soon. Perhaps the question would be, if Goff starts by Game #8 and we’re 4-3 or 5-2, would we have been there had he started from week 1? Regardless of what he does…..I’m hoping if he starts the last 9 we go at least 5-4, which coupled with a 4-3 or 5-2 would make for our best record since 2003. Can’t wait to see what happens and how it’s portrayed by Ram fans.
It’s a lot of different factors that determine what happens. The player’s ability. What type of offense he ran in college. What type of offense he is expected to run in the pros. The team who drafted him. The schedule and what I mean by that is, being drafted #1 or 2 or 3 means, most times, the team has a shitty record the previous year. They’ll probably have a 4th place schedule in his rookie year. Add to that the possibility that the teams in their division take a step backwards. Or other teams on their schedule that are not seeded by record (the AFC and NFC divisions they play) take a step backwards. So many variables…..too many variables to definitively say…. “________ should start from day 1” or “___________shouldn’t start from day 1”. Or say, “he played well” or “he didn’t play well” after the rookie season has played out. At least not without looking at all the factors in the case of the latter.
October 15, 2016 at 6:24 am #55266znModeratorRams’ Goff continues waiting game
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http://www.vcstar.com/story/sports/nfl/rams/2016/10/14/rams-goff-continues-waiting-game/92074246/
As other rookie quarterbacks like Carson Wentz and Dak Prescott continue to lead their teams to wins, Los Angeles Rams rookie Jared Goff waits for his chance to show what he can do.
Five weeks into the season, the league’s No. 1 overall pick has yet to play a down. Goff said he feels no frustration over seeing other rookies play while he continues to sit.
“Every situation’s different,” Goff said Wednesday. “All these guys that are doing well right now, I’m very happy for. Most of them, I’m good friends with. They’ve done a good job.”
As the team begins its two-week road trip against the Lions in Detroit on Sunday followed by a trip to London to face the New York Giants, there’s no indication from head coach Jeff Fisher and offensive coordinator Rob Boras that they plan to insert Goff into the lineup soon.
But both emphasized they believe that Goff is making progress.
“He’s getting his offensive reps in every period with the exception – on Friday it’s kind of hard. But on Wednesday, Thursday, he’s getting his reps,” Fisher said. “And then he’s running the scout team; the scout team is completely different than our offensive reps.
“But he’s doing fine, he has a good feel for what we’re doing. I think he’s improving, he’s learned a lot and, with each passing week, he’s getting better.”
Boras echoed Fisher’s sentiment, saying Goff continues to improve and seems more comfortable with the offense.
“A lot of the times, you understand how a person is learning by the questions that he’s asking, and he’s not asking rookie questions anymore,” Boras said. “He’s starting to ask those more advanced, if you will, say the 301- or 401-type question. For me, it starts there.
“Then, obviously, just watching him going against our defense and his footwork in the pocket and eliminating the turnovers. With the reps that he does get with the first unit, those same sorts of things. He’s putting a lot of work in as if he is the starter, which I know is not an easy thing to do, especially for a young player. I think that says a lot about his maturity as a 21-year-old.”
Goff said feels like he’s made steady progress since his first day of rookie camp. He said there wasn’t an “ah-ha” moment where things suddenly clicked.
“I don’t feel like I have gone backward,” Goff said. “Seems like every day, every week has gotten more natural. Things are more second nature, so I am feeling good.”
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