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  • June 6, 2019 at 8:12 pm #101949
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    Even though I don’t have Wentz’s numbers, outside it is a 4 year deal, but could the Rams organization feel a little pressure to sign Jared Goff to an extension now?

    June 6, 2019 at 10:23 pm #101950
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    Again, I wonder how this affects Jared Goff and his contract?

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    June 7, 2019 at 12:19 am #101954
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    i doubt the rams feel extra pressure.

    that being said it’s gonna take around 30+ million per year to keep jared.

    that’s what it looks like to me.

    June 7, 2019 at 12:31 am #101955
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    JackPMiller wrote:

    Again, I wonder how this affects Jared Goff and his contract?

    Probably no direct effect since qb 2nd contracts tend to be very slotted and to go up year by year on a regular basis.

    Who else has signed doesn’t factor into it.

    June 7, 2019 at 12:32 am #101956
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    InvaderRam wrote:

    i doubt the rams feel extra pressure.

    that being said it’s gonna take around 30+ million per year to keep jared.

    that’s what it looks like to me.

    It was going to be that anyway, Wentz or no Wentz. As I said qb 2nd contracts tend to go up on a kind of regular scale year to year who whoever else does or does not sign does not have much to do with the amount.

    June 7, 2019 at 2:54 am #101964
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    Carson Wentz, Eagles Agree to Four-Year Contract Extension Through 2024

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/06/carson-wentz-eagles-four-year-contract-extension?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=themmqb

    The Philadelphia Eagles have agreed to a four-year contract extension with quarterback Carson Wentz, the team announced Thursday.

    The deal keeps Wentz under Philadelphia’s control through the 2024 season. The extension is worth a reported $128 million and includes over $107 million guaranteed, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter. The deal can also reportedly escalate from $128 million to a max value of $144 million and brings the total worth of Wentz’s deal to six-years, $154 million.

    Wentz shared a video expressing his excitement about staying in Philadelphia for the foreseeable future.

    Wentz, 26, was entering the penultimate season of his rookie deal; he was due to be an unrestricted free agent in 2021. The Eagles drafted Wentz out of North Dakota State with the second overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft.

    In 2017, Wentz continued after a strong rookie campaign and emerged as a league MVP candidate, throwing for 3,296 yards, 33 touchdowns and seven interceptions through 13 games before suffering season-ending torn ACL and LCL injuries in Week 14. Philadelphia went 11–2 with Wentz as its starter that season, and went on to claim its first-ever Super Bowl title behind backup quarterback Nick Foles.

    Wentz returned as the Eagles starter in 2018, but wasn’t as productive. Philadelphia had a 5–6 record with Wentz before his back injury sidelined him through the final three games of the regular season and into the Eagles’ postseason run.

    The one-time Pro Bowler will reassume starting duties for the Eagles in 2019 following Foles’s departure to the Jacksonville Jaguars in free agency earlier this offseason.

    June 7, 2019 at 11:02 am #101969
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    What Carson Wentz’s $128M deal means for Jared Goff and the Rams

    What Carson Wentz's $128M deal means for Jared Goff, Rams

    If the Los Angeles Rams were looking for a starting point in their negotiations with Jared Goff, they just got it.

    The Philadelphia Eagles signed Carson Wentz to a four-year, $128 million extension with a whopping $107 million guaranteed. That average of $32 million per year is one of the most notable figures because it’s highly unlikely Goff will take less than that when he signs his extension with the Rams.

    As former agent Joel Corry of CBS Sports points out, Goff and Wentz are represented by the same agency, Rep 1 Sports. That will undoubtedly be a factor in Goff’s contract discussions with the Rams front office because it’s difficult to see his agent getting him less than Wentz received.

    Joel Corry@corryjoel
    Carson Wentz & Jared Goff have the same representation. I would imagine Wentz’s deal becomes Goff’s salary floor.

    Wentz’s contract is massive, there’s no denying that. Earning $32 million per year, he’s now the fourth-highest-paid quarterback in the NFL behind only Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers. Matt Ryan is close behind at $30 million annually.

    The question now isn’t whether Goff will top Ryan and Wentz. It’s whether he’ll surpass Rodgers, Wilson and Roethlisberger. They all have better resumes, obviously, having won Super Bowls and made more Pro Bowls than Goff. But when it comes to quarterback contracts, it’s as much about timing as it is numbers. Of course, that doesn’t mean Marcus Mariota should get more than Goff and Wentz simply by signing after those two quarterbacks, but timing means a lot in these discussions.

    Because the Rams are waiting to sign Goff until after Wentz signed his deal, the price likely went up. Had they gotten ahead of the Eagles, they could’ve been the ones setting the floor at $32 million per year rather than letting Philadelphia set it.

    All things considered, though, the Rams should feel good about what the Eagles gave Wentz. He didn’t break the bank and sign a deal richer than those of Rodgers, Roethlisberger or Wilson. Some believed he might at least surpass Rodgers’ salary. He didn’t, and that’s good news for the Rams when it comes to their talks with Goff.

    In the end, waiting to sign Goff after Wentz got his extension won’t be a bad thing for the Rams, considering it won’t make a huge difference. Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald projects Goff will get $33 million per year with Dak Prescott coming in slightly below Wentz’s mark at $31 million.

    Jason_OTC@Jason_OTC
    With Wentz at $32M, Id imagine Prescott would max at $31M and Goff probably at $33M unless he went for a longer term deal

    What will change things a bit is if Prescott gets more than Wentz. That scenario would absolutely raise the price for Goff and the Rams, potentially beyond Rodgers’ $33.5 million-per-year mark. With Goff having one more year left on his contract than Prescott does, it’s likely he signs after Dallas extends its quarterback.

    It’s not hard to compare these three quarterbacks statistically, considering they entered the NFL the same year and have played close to the same number of games. But for fun, let’s do a blind test of their numbers.

    QB 1: 66.1% completions, 67 TDs, 25 INTs, 10,876 yards, 96.0 passer rating, 7.4 Y/A (48 games)
    QB 2: 62.1% completions, 65 TDs, 26 INTs, 9,581 yards, 94.7 passer rating, 7.7 Y/A (38 games)
    QB 3: 63.7% completions, 70 TDs, 28 INTs, 10,152 yards, 92.5 passer rating, 7.0 Y/A (40 games)
    Can you guess which numbers belong to Goff, Prescott and Wentz? Their rushing numbers will probably give it away. QB 1 also has 944 yards and 18 touchdowns on the ground, while QB 3 has 542 yards rushing and two touchdowns. QB 2 has just 175 yards rushing but four touchdowns.

    It’s difficult to say which quarterback deserves the most money, isn’t it? They’re all so close statistically, have all led their teams to the postseason and have each made the Pro Bowl (Goff and Prescott twice).

    The answers: QB 1 is Prescott, QB 2 is Goff and QB 3 is Wentz.

    Once again, what will likely separate these contracts is the timing of when they’re signed. Wentz could easily get the least of the three simply because he signed his deal first. He won’t complain about $32 million and his injury history certainly hurt his value, but signing on the dotted line first set the table for Goff and Prescott.

    As Over The Cap projects, expect Goff to top Wentz’s deal, at least slightly, with Prescott coming in around the same number as the Eagles quarterback.

    June 7, 2019 at 11:10 am #101970
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    The question now isn’t whether Goff will top Ryan and Wentz. It’s whether he’ll surpass Rodgers, Wilson and Roethlisberger.

    Confusion.

    2nd contracts for qbs do NOT take into consideration the amounts distributed to vets on 3rd and 4th contracts.

    They. Are. Not. Connected. Markets.

    I am amazed sometimes how many sports writers simply do not get this. Many seem to think that any time a qb is up for a 2nd contract that he’s being compared, both in terms of the player and the contract, to the highest paid vets. And–no. No. It does not work that way.

    2nd contracts are their own thing. They follow their own parameters. No one in the league is going “how does Dak compare to Wilson.” They’re going “what is the market for starting qb 2nd contracts this year.”

    I don’t know why many of US get that and some professional sports writers don’t.

    …..

    June 7, 2019 at 4:30 pm #101978
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    Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
    In speaking with #Rams COO Kevin Demoff about Jared Goff’s contract situation in light of Carson Wentz extension, clear point was not to mistake a timing factor in getting a deal done for a lack of commitment. (Goff is their guy.)

    Gary Klein@LATimesklein
    Demoff on Goff: “You’ve heard Sean and Les say throughout the offseason Jared is an important piece of what we do, he’s an important piece of our future and I don’t think the timing and of when we sign Jared or begin those talks really is reflective of how we value him.”

    Steve Wyche@wyche89@wyche89
    Tonight on @nflnetwork @NFLTotalAccess Rams COO Kevin Demoff tells me that QB Jared Goff is in their long-term plans. They hope to make him wealthy. They just can’t do it right now. They have Goff under contract for two more years and an extension will get done.

    June 7, 2019 at 6:47 pm #101983
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    Mat Laird@MatLaird
    Do you think the Rams are going to have to make Goff one of the richest QB’s in the league or will Goff take a small pay cut to all the Front Office the ability to improve the roster?

    Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
    I expect him to get more than Carson Wentz.

    I wrote recently how the #Rams are all in on Jared Goff. And it remains as true now as it did last week. Carson Wentz’s contract extension doesn’t change that. If anything it creates a starting point.

    June 7, 2019 at 6:51 pm #101985
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    June 8, 2019 at 12:30 am #102001
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    Demoff: Rams won’t rush Goff extension

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26922943/rams-rush-goff-extension

    LOS ANGELES — The Rams intend to extend the contract of quarterback Jared Goff.

    But they won’t be rushed into a deal just because the Philadelphia Eagles opted to sign quarterback Carson Wentz, who was selected second behind Goff in the 2016 NFL draft. Wentz this week agreed to a four-year, $128 million extension with Philly, with an NFL-record $107.9 million guaranteed, sources told ESPN’s Adam Schefter.

    “I don’t want this to sound hollow, but I don’t think it affects our conversations that much,” Kevin Demoff, the Rams’ chief operating officer and executive vice president of football operations, said Friday. “It’s been reported for a few months that the Eagles and Carson were talking about a contract. We were well aware of that, and they seem to be on a different timetable.”

    Demoff would not provide a timetable for Goff’s extension but said the organization wants to “get through the offseason” and evaluate the team before looking at contract extensions. Cornerback Marcus Peters and linebacker Cory Littleton are among several players seeking extensions.

    “I think the numbers would be tough, quite frankly,” Demoff said when asked if Goff’s deal could be completed before the season.

    The Rams are tight on salary-cap space following extensions last offseason for receiver Brandin Cooks and right tackle Rob Havenstein and record-breaking deals for running back Todd Gurley, who signed a four-year, $60 million extension, with $45 million guaranteed, and defensive tackle Aaron Donald, who signed a six-year, $135 million deal, with $87 million guaranteed.

    Goff, 24, is set to earn $4.3 million this season and $22.8 million in 2020.

    Demoff emphasized coach Sean McVay’s and general manager Les Snead’s commitment to Goff, who last season led the Rams to their first Super Bowl appearance since the 2001 season and has twice been named a Pro Bowl player.

    “I think you’ve heard Sean and Les say throughout the offseason he’s an important piece of what we do, he’s an important piece of our future,” Demoff said. “And I don’t think the timing of when we sign Jared or begin those talks is reflective of how we value him.”

    Goff is 24-14 as a starter and 24-7 in McVay’s two seasons as coach. He has passed for 9,581 yards and 65 touchdowns, with 26 interceptions, and has led the Rams to back-to-back division titles and an NFC Conference championship.

    June 8, 2019 at 2:23 pm #102005
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    June 9, 2019 at 3:31 pm #102020
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    Carson Wentz’s contract extension does not change timetable for Jared Goff

    GARY KLEIN

    https://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-jared-goff-contract-extension-20190607-story.html

    Shortly before Kevin Demoff was due Friday to lead a tour of progress made on the Rams’ $5-billion Inglewood stadium, the team’s chief operating officer addressed an impending ancillary issue that will cost the team more than $30 million a year:

    Jared Goff’s next contract.

    The Rams quarterback is signed through the 2020 season, but his future compensation came into focus Thursday after the Philadelphia Eagles gave quarterback Carson Wentz a four-year extension that is reportedly worth $128 million, with $107 million guaranteed.

    Goff was the first pick in the 2016 draft. Wentz was the second. They share the same representation firm.

    The Eagles broke from recent NFL tradition by giving their quarterback an extension after his third NFL season. Most teams have waited until the completion of the fourth to reward quarterbacks.

    “I’m sure Jared went to bed happy last night,” Demoff told reporters. “I don’t think he was disappointed to see Carson do that.”

    But Wentz’s situation will not affect the timing of an extension for Goff, Demoff said.

    “They seem to be on a different timetable than we are,” Demoff said of the Eagles. “I don’t think we’re naïve enough to say that Carson’s signing is not relevant. I just don’t think it changes the timing.

    “The Eagles focused on what they thought was best for their organization. We’re going to focus on what’s best for our organization.”

    Goff, 24, will carry a salary-cap number of $8.9 million during the upcoming season, according to overthecap.com. In April, the Rams exercised their fifth-year option on Goff, which would give him a salary of about $22 million in 2020 if he does not sign an extension before then.

    Goff is 24-14 as a starter. He made the Pro Bowl in each of the last two seasons, led the Rams to consecutive NFC West titles and to the Super Bowl last season. He has completed 62% of his passes, 65 for touchdowns, with 26 interceptions.

    Demoff and general manager Les Snead previously have said that preliminary discussions about a possible extension might begin after the Rams complete their offseason program. The Rams finish next week with a mandatory minicamp Tuesday.

    “He’s an important piece of our future,” Demoff said of Goff. “I don’t think the timing of when we sign Jared, or begin those talks, really is reflective of how we value him.”

    Last summer, the Rams signed receiver Brandin Cooks to an extension that included more than $50 million in guarantees. They gave running back Todd Gurley, who was entering his fourth NFL season, $45 million in guarantees. They signed offensive lineman Rob Havenstein to a deal that includes $16 million in guarantees, and then finished by giving defensive lineman Aaron Donald a $135-million deal that includes $86 million in guarantees.

    Cornerback Marcus Peters, middle linebacker Cory Littleton, tight end Tyler Higbee and offensive lineman Austin Blythe are among young players entering the final year of their contracts, making them candidates for extensions.

    Veteran offensive lineman Andrew Whitworth, who has a salary cap number of $16.7 million, and cornerback Aqib Talib ($8 million) are in the final year of their contracts.

    “The numbers would be tough, quite frankly, if you look at where we’re at, doing a significant change to Jared’s contract this year,” Demoff said. “It would probably hamper our ability to take care of some of the guys that we’re looking at for 2020.”

    But Demoff noted that “I would never mistake how we’re staggering our contracts based on how we feel about Jared or any player. … We loved Aaron Donald. We tried for 18 months to get an Aaron Donald deal done. … Aaron’s the best example of your love for a player, and how badly you want them, doesn’t always come down to how quickly they sign.”

    June 10, 2019 at 9:59 pm #102041
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    I am very inclined to see it VB’s way on all this (from: https://theathletic.com/1018707/2019/06/10/the-good-and-bad-from-rams-otas-before-this-weeks-three-day-minicamp/ ). (The whole article is here, posted 6/10 in the OTAs thread).

    Yes, keeping Goff will be expensive. And there will be salary-cap challenges when it comes to building a championship-caliber team around a highly paid quarterback. But Goff will be in the prime years of his career, with a master’s degree in this offense, and that will provide far more benefit than whatever savings an unproven, younger replacement might provide.

    June 11, 2019 at 5:02 pm #102047
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    June 14, 2019 at 9:45 am #102106
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    David Schultz@ShutUpDavePod
    Wentz signed a four-year, $128 million extension containing an NFL record $107.9 million in guarantees, with $66 million fully guaranteed at signing. What’s the difference between guaranteed & fully guaranteed?

    Joel Corry@corryjoel
    The overall guarantees in an NFL contract include the rolling or conditional guarantees. This is typically money that goes from being guaranteed for injury only to guaranteed for injury, skill & salary cap on a specific date during the contract.

    June 16, 2019 at 4:07 pm #102203
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