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    J.B. Long@JB_Long
    I really hesitate to tout current PFF rankings for #LARams offense (Whitworth, Saffold, Blythe, Havenstein all top 3; WRs all Top 16; Goff No. 2)… …when Todd Gurley is ranked 20th among RBs.

    With Rams getting flexed out of SNF at SF, looking at future attractive matchups that could get flexed into prime time.

    at NO, at CHI stand out.

    But a lot plays into that, including network protection, caliber of alternative games.

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    Rams Q&A recap: Vinny Bonsignore

    https://theathletic.com/578588/2018/10/09/rams-live-qa-vinny-bonsignore-answers-your-questions-on-tuesday-oct-9-from-noon-to-2-p-m-pt/

    My personal feeling is Peters isn’t totally healthy, and some of what he usually can do from an athletic standpoint he just isn’t able to do right now. I think he might have to make an adjustment to compensate – which I believe he has to some extent. But if I’m a fan, I remain patient. When it’s all said and done he’s going to be fine

    The defensive struggles against the Seahawks, I felt, was related to honoring Russell Wilson and dealing with him and some guys trying to do too much. They got burned in the counter game as a result. Once they started playing more disciplined and focusing on their individual assignments it got better. That said they have to do a better job tackling. They were attacking much too high on runners I felt

    They need to play the full game the way they play the fourth. They’ve only given up three points in the fourth quarter over the last three games. Only six all together.

    No question the Seahawks were taking advantage of the Rams aggressive rush. This is what Michael Brockers told me when I asked him basically about that very thing: “Definitely got to have great assignment on your end because it’s like we have to squeeze a box on him. I said it before you have to kind of collapse on him and if you don’t collapse on him you leave that open and he’ll take advantage of it. His guys do a great job of doing the scramble drill and you know, getting open when he gets to moving around. It’s definitely a strategic way to rush Russell Wilson.” “Yeah, because we got everything together. We got on the sideline, came together, and just talked about how we needed to improve as a defense and do better for our offense. Our offense did a hell of a job today and we just wanted to step up for those guys most importantly. It’s just about playing defense. Executing the defense, the way we should. Everybody tries to play the game within the game and I think that was a big deal with me today is trying to read what I’ve got and play off of it and stuff like that. As long as we do what we practiced and win our gaps, execute, and just dominate, I think we’ll be fine.” “Personally for me. I feel like I was just trying to get out there and get to the quarterback or make plays in the back field, stopping the running stuff. Just doing way too much when I could’ve just been doing my job and everything would’ve handled itself.”

    Their fourth-quarter defensive play shows what they are capable of when they lock down on their assignments and play disciplined. They just need to get off to better starts

    They wanted Cooks last year, but keep in mind they didn’t have a first-round pick in the 2017 draft. The Patriots gave up and first AND third round picks for Cooks and the Saints fourth-round pick in March. It wasn’t until later that summer they gave up their 2018 second-round pick for Sammy. The draft picks in question were two different drafts. The Patriots dipped into their 2017 draft capitol for Brandin. The Rams, because of the Goff trade, didn’t have as many picks to work with. The pick they gave up for Sammy was in 2018. In the end, it kind of all worked out. Who knows, maybe they don’t add Woods in 2017 or don’t draft Cooper Kupp in 2017 if they make a trade for Cooks in March of 2017.

    Obo can start practicing next week. The Rams have three weeks to decide if he is healthy enough to be activated to the 53 or just put on IR. I don’t think they take the full three weeks

    I thought the Cooks non-call/miss was really bad. I didn’t get the sense anyone felt it was intentional. But there was a sense the referee missed it and under the rule of the law it checked off all the boxes on a head-to-head call.

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    G Austin Blythe, Los Angeles Rams, 83.7 Overall Grade

    One of the men keeping Goff clean against the Los Angeles Chargers pass-rush was right guard Austin Blythe. Blythe did not surrender a single pressure in 38 pass-blocking snaps and was one of three Rams offensive linemen to accomplish that feat. He was also very effective in opening lanes for Todd Gurley, recording a run blocking grade of 77.2.

    Lance Zierlein: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/austin-blythe?id=2555180

    AUSTIN BLYTHE

    6’2″
    291LBS.

    Blythe comes from an NFL offensive line factory where he started 4 years at both guard and center.

    OVERVIEW

    In the sports world, Iowa is primarily known for two things: producing NFL offensive linemen and high-level wrestling. Blythe, a Williamsburg, Iowa native, is a perfect example of how those things go hand-in-hand. He was a two-time all-state pick in football (123 career tackles, 40 for loss, 14 sacks) and three straight heavyweight wresting titles (setting a state record with 143 pins) in a state that takes the sport very seriously. He put those skills to use in his redshirt freshman season, starting nine games at right guard but missing two due to injury. Blythe didn’t miss any more games during his three final years with the Hawkeyes, starting all 40 games at center. He gained recognition for his play each year, garnering consensus honorable mention All-Big Ten honors as a sophomore and second team All-Big Ten accolades from league coaches in 2014 and 2015. Blythe was even named as a Rimington Trophy finalist this season.

    PRO DAY RESULTS
    40-yard dash: 5.37 seconds
    Vertical: 31 inches
    Broad jump: 8 feet, 3 inches
    Short shuttle: 4.5 seconds
    3-cone drill: 7.53 seconds

    ANALYSIS

    STRENGTHS Four-year starter featuring durability and leadership qualities. Has played center and both guard spots which gives him a mental head­start. Controlled glider up to inside linebackers and plays with plus body control. Patient, confident run blocker who consistently lands his blocks in the center of his targets. Keeps his feet grinding after contact to generate movement and prolonged engagement as a blocker. Sticks to opponents like a shadow and is always bodied up near his man. Excellent outside zone blocker. Uses feet and upper body strength to run gap­-shooters up the field past the quarterback. The Hawkeyes love pulling him and using as lead blocker in space. Technician able to snap and step quickly on reach blocks. Sinks hips and can anchor up against bull rushers. Good functional strength for his size. Played in over 96 percent of team’s offensive snaps over last three years.

    WEAKNESSES Undersized by every standard that NFL teams use for centers. Lack of length and mass is a legitimate concern moving forward. Has played both guard spots and center, but size likely limits him to center only in the league. Teams may view him as fit for zone specific teams which could limit his draft stock. Catches pass rushers rather than punching. Will have to adjust to defensive tackles using length to disrupt his task. Tape shows potential mental mistakes in protection against blitzes.

    BOTTOM LINE Played with consistency throughout his stint as a four-year starter at Iowa and his 2015 tape is solid from start to finish. While his lack of physical traits could hurt where he is taken in the draft, his functional strength, technical savvy, athleticism and body control should not be ignored as he has all the makings of an eventual NFL starter.

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    Jared Goff quietly leads Rams to perfect 3-0 start

    Michael Silver

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000966111/article/jared-goff-quietly-leads-rams-to-perfect-30-start

    LOS ANGELES — The black Range Rover pulled toward the road connecting the northwest corner of the Coliseum to the City of Angels, creeping up alongside what was left of the friends and family section at the end of the locker-room tunnel. The man in the passenger seat was clearly in a hurry Sunday evening, what with a short week officially having begun, but suddenly the car came to a stop, and the tinted window on the driver’s side slid down to reveal the face of the NFL’s hottest young coach.

    “Your son balled today,” Sean McVay said, gesturing toward a smiling man standing alongside an adjacent fence. And as Jerry Goff accepted the coach’s praise of his son, Jared, the Los Angeles Rams’ third-year quarterback, the proud papa felt compelled to pay his respects to the play-calling prodigy who is the NFL’s reigning coach of the year.

    “He’s lucky to have you,” Goff told McVay.

    “I feel that way about him,” McVay replied.

    A few seconds later, McVay’s girlfriend, Veronika Khomyn, pulled the Range Rover out of the lot, leaving behind a 35-23 victory over the Los Angeles Chargers that pushed the Rams to 3-0 and decided the Fight For L.A. by unanimous decision.

    If you’re inclined to assume this was nothing more than simple pleasantries being exchanged in the ebullient wake of the team’s best start in 17 seasons, you’re missing the message behind McVay’s glowing assessment of his quarterback: Goff is not the product of his system. He is the pulse of it.

    “Saying he’s a system player — that’s just disrespectful,” McVay told me after the game, still steamed over a question suggesting as much that he’d received in a press conference last Wednesday. “It’s a total discredit to a great player. Those who know, know. Flip the tape on. People who know what it looks like to play the quarterback position at a high level know what they’re seeing.”

    “I know this: I wouldn’t want to be working with anybody else other than Jared Goff right now.”

    Flip on the tape. Go ahead. Start with the third-and-8 shotgun snap from his own 47-yard line that Goff received with 12:51 left in the third quarter and the Rams up 21-13. McVay had called a play anticipating zone coverage, but the Chargers went with a man-to-man alignment, and the designated man-beater target (receiver Robert Woods) wasn’t able to run the route of his choosing.

    As second-year wideout Cooper Kupp patiently explained to me later, “Robert had bad leverage on the route. He wanted to go inside, but (the defender) was inside. I was maybe the third or fourth read, but it all broke down, and I just tried to keep it alive.”

    With pressure closing in, Goff slid forward in the pocket, and slightly to his right. Defensive end Issac Rochell was coming from Goff’s left; defensive end Melvin Ingram swooped in from the right. And closing in quickly from behind Goff, blitzing linebacker Uchenna Nwosu dove into the back of his legs.

    “I had gone through all my reads, four or five of them, and I was completely off schedule,” Goff said later. “Then Cooper flashed — that was just him being a football player — and I was able to get it there.”

    Said Kupp: “It was 100-percent off schedule. Like, double off-schedule. But he got me the ball, and that definitely doesn’t happen if Jared’s not willing to hang in there as long as he did.”

    What happened was that Goff zipped a glorious dart toward the right sideline that Kupp caught in-stride at the Chargers’ 30. Cornerback Trevor Williams, who trailed Kupp by a step, grabbed the receiver from behind, but Kupp kept right on churning forward, and by the 20 he had shed Williams completely, continuing on his way to a 53-yard touchdown pass.

    It was one of many, many impressive throws by Goff on a day when he, and the Rams’ offense, put up some strikingly prodigious numbers.

    Goff completed 29-of-36 passes for 354 yards and three touchdowns, with another scoring throw overturned by a replay review that ruled receiver Brandin Cooks had been stopped at the 1-yard line. He did get dinged for an end-zone interception, with Chargers rookie safety Derwin James making a nice read on a corner throw intended for tight end Gerald Everett.

    No worries: The Rams’ Cory Littleton responded by blocking a Drew Kaser punt in the end zone, with teammate Blake Countess recovering for a touchdown. And Goff, after a Chargers touchdown drive, responded by completing his next six passes to set up Sam Ficken’s 46-yard field goal on the final play of the first half.

    “This guy’s a total stud,” McVay said of Goff after exiting the locker room long after the game. “I think people don’t realize how calm he is. On the touchdown to Cooper he has four guys on him, two guys practically hanging on him, and he makes a play. He’s fearless, man. It’s hard enough to make plays in rhythm, and when things look the way you want them to look. But when things break down and he can still keep plays alive and make big-time throws… well, that’s a whole different level of good.”

    It’s early — and the Rams have the sure-to-be-peeved-in-the-wake-of-a-brutal-home-loss-to-Buffalo Minnesota Vikings coming to town for a stiff Thursday Night Football test — but McVay’s offense, the league’s best in 2017, appears to be even better this year.

    On Sunday, Goff and friends put up 521 yards of offense, the most by a Rams team since an overtime game in 2006 — and the most in four quarters of football since 2000, the heart of the Greatest Show On Turf era. Additionally, L.A. had 33 first downs, the most by any NFL team since the Saints midway through the 2015 season.

    Goff became the third quarterback in league history to complete consecutive games with at least 350 passing yards and a completion percentage of 75 or above. And the Rams, not coincidentally, are 3-0 for the first time since 2001.

    So yeah, the system is tremendous. Goff, however, is far more than a nondescript administrator.

    “That dude’s a freaking monster,” said Russell Okung, the Chargers’ veteran left tackle. “And I think what makes him a monster is he’s incredibly consistent. Consistent players do the best in this league. You know what to expect every time. He takes the easy throws when they’re there, and then when he does go over the top, those (receivers) make plays.

    “In this league, that’s a winning formula. Don’t give me the flashy guy; give me the guy who you can depend on every time.”

    Right now, the metaphorical flashbulbs seem to be focused on a slew of other prolific and promising young quarterbacks, from Patrick Mahomes, to Carson Wentz, to Deshaun Watson — and to Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold and the other members of the current rookie class.

    Goff, for whatever reason, seems to get lost in the wash, even as he cleans up in Tinseltown.

    “People don’t talk about him,” said Andrew Whitworth, the Rams’ All-Pro left tackle. “From the start, people were saying he was overdrafted, and now I think they’re sitting there waiting for the opportunity to say that maybe they were right. Yet he’s done nothing but continue to prove them wrong, and he’s getting better and better.

    “You feel the command, and his poise is what blows you away. Week after week; good play, bad play; he comes back, explains to us what happened and tells us what we need to do next. He can literally communicate so calmly in the moment, and it’s mind-blowing how relaxed he is on the football field.”

    Not surprisingly, Goff had a relaxed response to the notion that he’s getting less hype than some of his contemporaries.

    “No idea,” he replied. “Look — with a great running back (Todd Gurley, who ran for 105 yards and a touchdown Sunday) and a really good defense, that can happen. I don’t know if they’re talking about me. I also don’t care. If we’re 3-0, it’s all good.”

    Moments after McVay’s Range Rover pulled away from the Coliseum on Sunday evening, Goff’s mother, Nancy, took her son’s indifference a step further.

    “We love it,” she said of the relative lack of attention her son’s exploits are generating. “That’s the best– because then you can sneak through the back door. The worst is when they do the whole ‘Mr. Perfect’ thing, like (when Goff was a Cal junior) before (the Golden Bears played) Utah — and then, five interceptions. Right now it’s quiet, and we’re winning, and it couldn’t be better. This is exactly where he wants to be.”

    Soon Jared emerged from the locker room, and he and his parents headed out in the L.A. twilight. Nobody followed. Rest assured, they like it that way

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    The Rams’ New Wrinkle, and Why the NFC West Might Already Be Won

    The offense has opponents playing on their heels, and the defense is more than holding up its end of the bargain through three season-opening wins. Things will get tougher for the Rams, but with the 49ers losing their quarterback, the Seahawks trying to find their way and the Cardinals flopping, those challenges probably won’t come from within the division

    ANDY BENOIT

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/24/los-angeles-rams-sean-mcvay-jared-goff-nfc-west-jimmy-garoppolo-knee-injury-acl?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_source=twitter.com&__twitter_impression=true

    Right around kickoff in their Battle for Los Angeles against the Chargers, the Rams unofficially clinched the NFC West. It happened the moment when, 1,600 miles east in Kansas City, 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo planted his left foot and lowered his shoulder along the sideline at the end of a scramble, his left knee buckling; the fear is a torn ACL. The Niners, regarded as the Rams’ greatest challenger entering this season, had also lost their second most important offensive player, tailback Jerick McKinnon, to a similar injury in a late summer practice. Now they’re a team with few skill position weapons, an improving but work-in-progress defense and no quarterback. See you in 2019.

    Don’t say this to Sean McVay, though. Prior to the season, he and I were discussing the NFC West teams. He lauded the Niners and Cardinals, and when I absentmindedly dismissed the Seahawks as a rebuilding team trending in the wrong direction, I got admonished. “Any team that has Russell Wilson you have to consider dangerous,” he said.

    O.K., fair enough. But Seattle’s offense has always been a week-to-week proposition and, now, so is the defense. It hammered a downtrodden Cowboys offense on Sunday, but for this season’s long-term, there remain major concerns about the pass rush and secondary. And even greater concerns pock a now 0-3 Cardinals team that is averaging 6.7 points per game and just coughed up a two-touchdown lead to the Bears at home.

    During McVay’s first offseason as the Rams head coach, people would ask him how he was liking his new job. His answer was always: “Couldn’t be better—we’re still undefeated.” Then he’d smile. But this past offseason, his stock answer reversed. At any mention of his team—and especially its litany of headline-generating moves—he quickly said, with no smile, “We haven’t won a game.”

    With the 35-23 handling of the Chargers on Sunday, they’ve now won their first three. Their offense, which has gained a year of experience in McVay’s scheme plus an elite playmaker in wideout Brandin Cooks, looks even more dangerous than the one that led the league in scoring last year. It’s certainly more innovative. McVay and his staff have discovered the power of jet-action. More than any team now, the Rams put a receiver in fast motion before and/or during the snap. One defensive coach told me this offseason that dealing with jet-action is “an absolute bitch.” At least half a dozen other defensive coaches echoed this. Jet-action messes with a defense’s gap assignments. McVay builds run and pass plays that exploit this. And to ensure the defense keeps reacting with its gap assignments, he regularly hands the ball to the jet motion man. Wideouts Cooks, Cooper Kupp and Robert Woods all have multiple carries this year.

    Right now, defenses don’t have an answer for it—just like they didn’t have an answer last year for L.A.’s play-action game, which remains strong. Constantly facing defenders who are put in assignment conflicts, Jared Goff, somewhat quietly, is becoming one of the NFL’s most proficient QBs. He’s completing 70.3% of his passes and averaging 9.32 yards per attempt, with a passer rating 111.0. Maybe he is a system QB. But sharply orchestrating the smartest system in football makes you a bona fide star.

    On film, Goff appears to be dripping with confidence. He’s become more patient working into his progressions, waiting the extra half-beat to let second-window throws unfold. Against zone coverage, he’s throwing to spots, trusting that a receiver (and, also, not a defender) will be there. Against man, he’s throwing with pinpoint accuracy to defeat even the tightest coverage. (As John Madden used to say in one of his video game’s automated voiceovers, “There’s no defense for a perfect throw.”) Playing with this mix of aggression and patience requires a quarterback to make throws with defenders in his face—something Goff did willingly, but too often ineffectively, his first two seasons. Now, he’s become adroit here, using his 6′ 4″ frame and high release point to make contested throws look easy.

    McVay is aware that his young team has not yet faced much adversity. It stayed healthy last year, performed well on the road (even on cross-country and international trips), handily won a bunch of Sunday afternoon games and played in a distracted city that’s still rediscovering its passion for pro football. The Rams shrunk a bit in the bright lights of the playoffs, losing at home to the Falcons, but by then outsiders had already declared their season a roaring success.

    Things will get harder. They have to. Maybe even as soon as this week. Star corners Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib left Sunday’s win with injuries. Either or both could be unavailable Thursday night against a Vikings team that boasts two of football’s best wideouts, Adam Thielen and Stefon Diggs. Those Vikings, despite their embarrassing no-show against an untalented but impressively tenacious Bills team on Sunday, have the defense best equipped to contest with this high-flying Rams offense. The showdown, being FOX’s first Thursday Night game, will be hyped. The Vikings have played regular season contests on such stages before. The Rams have not.

    Adversity could be on the immediate horizon. Still, it’s nothing compared to the type of adversity that comes from having a rebuilding offense, or a retooling defense. Or, certainly, from having an injured quarterback. In 2012, the Broncos won the AFC West by a whopping six games. In 2015, the Panthers won the NFC South by seven games. In 2007, the undefeated Patriots won their division essentially two times over, finishing nine games ahead of the second-place Bills. The Rams, with some help from the NFC West, are positioned to join this group of dominators.

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    Rams Q&A recap: Vinny Bonsignore on the biggest NFC West threat, Sunday’s Coliseum crowd, Jared Goff’s critics

    Alex S.How do the Rams feel in division after the thumping of AZ?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Alex S. Good. But no one is focused on what they’ve done. Sounds like a cliche but it’s about what’s ahead. Two tough games looming

    robert S.Are the 49ers the only nfc west team that is even a threat this yr? Az looked bad as did Seattle,last night?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. Barring any injuries, yes. And I question just how big a threat they really are, to be honest. The Rams are a very, very good football team. It’s going to take a max effort from the other team and breakdowns on their part to get them this year. That can and probably will happen at some point. But you better be ready to take advantage

    Cesar C.Any update on Ogbonnia Okoronkwo ? I’m not sure if anyone asked yet, I’m just excited to see him rush QBs

    Cesar C.And yes, i copied and pasted his name

    Vincent Bonsignore @Cesar C. working off to the side during practice. We’ll see where he’s at when he’s eligible to come off IR. But could be a redshirt year for him

    Vincent Bonsignore @Cesar C. No explanation needed!!! Ha

    Andy H.What’s the consensus across the NFL about Goff? The local guys have been killing him with their hot takes. Thanks!

    Vincent Bonsignore @Andy H. Mostly good. But there are some people who stupidly and prematurely went out on a limb on him early and haven’t brought themselves to come around yet. But the people who know, know.

    robert S.I have seen theories and studies that say it is better to go for 2 after every td. Any way McVay does that since it worked last week?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. I’m going to ask this week. Jared told me: “It’s basically just another short yardage play.” He didn’t even know where exactly the ball was lined up – the 2 or the 3. But they certainly showed they can go get those two when needed

    Cesar C.I can’t see the games here in Chicago other then the nationally televised games, but is Kelly getting any touches? He ran hard in preseason. I’m curious to see what he could do with the first unit. I thought he would get an extended look when Gurley left against Arizona

    Vincent Bonsignore @Cesar C. He hasn’t been on active roster yet for a game. Keep in mind blocking is hugely important at that position – especially on third downs as Todd and Malcolm show – so he could be going through a learning curve on that end. They like him a lot, though. Just need to be patient.

    Rick P.Any news on a permanent training facility/home office?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Rick P. Nothing new. But I’d imagine by this time next year we’ll have clarity, if not sooner

    Jed K.
    How is Sam Ficken’s range? I saw him hitting a 65-yarder on his Instagram. That was just during practice though. What would be a realistic range during game time?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Jed K. I’d say 55

    Vincent Bonsignore And that is pushing it

    tim S.
    Do you think the Rams could/should sign Blythe to a team friendly extension? Also, would Sam Shields be given a big workload if anything happened to Peters or Talib?

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @tim S. He’s under contract through 2019. So no need just yet

    Benjamin M.Has anything in practice, or in offensive focus changed since LaFleur left?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Benjamin M. No, not really. With or without him there were going to be new wrinkles, add ons, this year

    robert S.
    Charger game is first real test. What is the plan to stop Phillip Rivers? Without Bosa rams can probably score but Rivers is a gunslinger and will take chances. And he has decent receivers

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @robert S. I agree. Chargers have a lot of talent and present a host of issues on both sides of the ball. Marcus Peters has Rivers’ #, so we’ll see if that continues

    Christopher W.
    Obviously this isn’t your call to make, but can you think of any reason the Rams elect to start Brown over Blythe, outside of injury?

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @Christopher W. If they earnestly feel he’s the best option, then he gets the nod. That’s how it always has to work.

    robert S.
    Any chance rams can go 16-0? They would probably be favored against any team now

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @robert S. Always a chance. But man…..that’s hard to do

    Robert A.
    The rams seem a bit then at back up wide receiver with both Cooper and Thomas on IR. Any chance Hodge gets called up?
    If not, who replaced Thomas on special teams?

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @Robert A. I expect more moves between now and tomorrow and yes, WR is a position I’m keeping an eye on

    Robert A.
    Any news on Barron, hoping he is ready to go for the vikings game. We could definitely use him in that one.

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @Robert A. Week to week proposition

    robert S.
    A note of caution. Rams started 1969 season 11-0, then lost the final 3 games to Minnesota, Detroit and Baltimore Colts. Then lost heartbreaker of a playoff game to vikes. We gotta keep it uo

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. Yes you have to play through the finish line

    Talfourd K.
    I saw M. Christian had 30 snaps on D against Cardinals. I have not watched the tape to track him, but does that mean he is essentially playing Mark Barron’s role at ILB? I’d love to hear more about how Wade is working him in . I saw Robey had 29 snaps, so it would seem we played a lot of D with 3 CB’s and either 3 S’s or, again, Christian as an ILB.

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @Talfourd K. Yes they bring him in as a hybrid LB/S who can run support nut also cover.

    robert S.
    Why isn’t Roman Gabriel’s #18 retired? I love Kupp but it bothers me to see him wear it. Roman was mvp in 1969 and was a dominant qb as well as my childhood favorite. My dad took me to Coliseum in 1969 for my first game as an 11 yr old and was in awe of Romam

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @robert S. Not sure why. But at this point, it would be hard to justify taking it off Cooper.

    robert S.Do you ever hear from any st Louis reporters? Most said rams were hopeless. Now what do they say?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. I have not heard from any of them. I mean, it was hard to see all this coming after 2016. But the Rams felt very strongly in Goff and McVay. It probably happened quicker than even they expected. But they felt they’d get here with those two as the lynchpins and Los Angeles as the backdrop.

    Talfourd K.
    Per your point about Kelly and blocking, both Gurley and Malcom had a few dominant blocks against the Cardinals that I saw on Twitter.

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @Talfourd K. I wanna say Todd was darn near perfect on pass blocks last year. He’s really good at it. And Malcolm is solid across the board. Very reliable backup.

    robert S.
    Vinny would you take the rams and give up 6.5 pts? No hemming and hawing!

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @robert S. I do think they win by more than a TD

    Rahim A.How’s Everett coming along. Are their still some health issues going on. Also was there anything linking Rams and Josh Gordon. Did FO put any feelers out?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Rahim A. Getting better and working his way back by the day. I expect him to be a bigger part of the game plan moving forward.

    robert S.How long will Ficken be with the team?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. Until Greg is fully healthy

    Kolby M.Might be completely off topic but is there any updates on Okoronkwo? Another weapon coming off the edge would be nice since Ebukam looks like he’s taken a couple steps this year

    Vincent Bonsignore @Kolby M. He works to the side every day. We’ll see when he’s eligible to come off the IR. But might be looking at a redshirt year for him

    leslie C.Great win by the rams, however it seems injuries to the back up wrs may be a concern. Do the rams activate someone from the practice squad or keep 4? Do they have a wr who could fill in at either slot or on then outside?

    Vincent Bonsignore @leslie C. I think they are comfortable with the four they have for now

    robert S.Vinny do you think rams r satisfied with backup qb? Heard a lot in preseason. I don’t have confidence in Mannion. Rg3 anyone?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. Yes, kind of. But confidence has a lot to do with belief that DSean McVay will coach the back-up up and put him in good position

    Tom T.Vinny, are the Rams tight ends out of favor or is this part of Sean McVay’s plan to alter his play calling this season?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Tom T. Not at all. Gerald has been working his way back from a shoulder injury, so he fell behind a little bit. He showed what he can do on Sunday. Plus, it’s tough getting them out of 11 personnel. They are so good out of it

    V S.The team chemistry seems very strong. A lot of big names putting egos aside. How much of that is coming from respect for coaches? What could cause the chemistry to breakdown? How much do players appreciate things like the day off last week and being treated like adults?

    Vincent Bonsignore @V S. It’s partly the coaches but it’s also reflective of how smart this team is. It kind of reminds me of some of the Lakers teams I covered – Fox, Fisher, Kobe, later Pau. Super, super smart.

    robert S.Also expected to see Mannion and reserved maybe midway thru 4th qtr Sunday. Why risk injury when game is in hand?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. Those are always tough calls when to bring a guy in and what purpose it really serves

    Tom T.Is Jim Hill the “Helen Thomas” of the Rams Press Corps? He seems to ask the first question in every press conference.

    Vincent Bonsignore @Tom T. Always!!!!!!!

    Tom T.Watching the Bears on MNF last night. It was interesting seeing all the jet sweeps and even a touchdown on a shovel pass. It looked very Rams-like. Do Nagy and McVay have any
    connection?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Tom T. Reid, Andy.

    Vincent Bonsignore Nagy is a longtime Reid guy.

    Mayumi S.What do you think about Goff’s accuracy?
    I think he should hit the TD PASS to Woods. His long passes are quite overthrown. Should be adjusted soon?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Mayumi S. Excellent accuracy. Excellent vision. He just rushed the throw on Woods, I don’t read anything into that. Don’t agree on the overthrows. He puts it there

    Ryan M.You do you think the best edge rusher is other than Ebukam? I havent been as impressed by Easley as some writers are. Who do you think takes the majority of snaps at OLB opposite of Ebukam?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Ryan M. As a standup rusher, yes, Easley is showing up pretty well. Franklin-Myers is pretty good out of a stance as a rotation guy. He’s got a nice natural rush skill set.

    robert S.There are very few charger fans around here yet. I would expect that the crowd this week will be 90% plus ram fans. Thoughts?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. I think there will be more Chargers fans then you might think. Keep in mind, the prices to StubHub are very high because of the lack of seats. A Chargers fan who won’t pay that price at StubHub might be ok with paying less to see them at the much bigger coliseum

    Matt Y.Hey Vinny, I have a couple questions for you. Is Wade looking to coach for a few more years? Are the Rams grooming someone on staff to learn from him and replace him eventually. Also, any word on the naming rights for the stadium? Farmer’s Field seemed like a thing for a couple years and ground was never even broken. I’m surprised a sponsor hasn’t jumped at the chance to get a couple years of publicity during construction.

    Vincent Bonsignore @Matt Y. 1: Wade hasn’t indicated anything about wanting to step down any time soon. But at his age, it won’t be a surprise whenever he does announce he’s stepping down or planning to. Aubrey Pleasant is someone they really like. Joe Barry – their LB coach – is a former defensive coordinator. So there are candidates on staff. 3. They are sorting through various offers. I’m told no shortage of interested companies looking to come on board. I expect it to break reacords

    Daniel R.How have ticket sales gone for this sunday? Last weekend was surprisingly very full and mostly rams fans. I’m guessing near capacity for this weekend?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Daniel R. I expect mid 60,000’s throughout the season. Packers-Eagles will probably get into the 70,000s. Vikings maybe too, although Thursday night might dissuade some people

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    Los Angeles Rams HC Sean McVay

    (On if he’s getting to the point that it’s time to go play)

    “Yeah, you know guys are excited. We’ve got about 48 hours out now, so got to do a good job just kind of resting their minds, resting their bodies, getting ready to go and making sure that we’re ready to go at kick off. It’s going to be a long wait, but we’ve got to be patient and peak at the right time.”

    (On how much practicing this weekend and at night will help on Monday)

    “I think it wIll based on kind of what I’ve learned, but I think the players are best served to answer that. I know that earlier on you know you feel a little bit kind of sluggish and tired and you feel like you’ve adjusted a little bit. But most importantly, this has been for our players and if they’re feeling good, if their bodies are ready to go in and kind of peaking at that time – just based on when we’ve been practicing and how we’ve adjusted things, then that’s kind of the goal of all of this.”

    (On if there’s any update on LB Mark Barron)

    “Yeah, he’s the same status. We listed him as doubtful for the game. So, it’s not looking great, but we’ve still got some time being that it’s a night kickoff and different things like that, so we’ll see. But if he’s not able to go, we’ve got a lot of confidence in those guys that’ll be stepping up and looking forward to seeing them compete, if that’s the case.”

    (On how WR Pharoh Cooper looks as a punt returner and a wide receiver)

    “He’s done a good job. I think one of the things that stood out about (WR) Pharoh (Cooper), really since we got here as a staff and just taking (Special Teams Coordinator John Fassel) Bones’ advice and listening to (General Manager) Les (Snead) and those guys – and I remember even evaluating him coming out of South Carolina – just a good football player. One of those guys that just finds a way to get it done. He’s breaking tackles, working edges on people and he’s gotten better and better as a receiver – he really plays in that slot position for us. But, he can do a lot of different things for you. Then, as a returner, you see the production that he had last year. He’s consistently fielded the ball for us and made good decisions and now really, it’s going to be about translating that into the games where it’s most important. It’s always hard – just based on the way that we’ve practiced teams in some of these settings – practice special teams is what I’m talking about, in these settings. But, he looks like he’s progressing. I think he’s got an ownership of what we’re trying to get done and we expect him to do well again this year.”

    (On if the trainers think they can get Barron to 100% or if they think it’s something that will be week to week)

    “It’s really a tough thing because it’s kind of an uncharted territory in terms of just the way that achilles responds. Sometimes it feels good, sometimes it doesn’t. Last year, like you mentioned, it kind of flared up based on – I don’t know if it was the weather, there was just the pounding of the games that took a toll on him. But, we all know what a tough competitor Mark is and how much he’s persevered through some of these injuries. But if he’s not able to go, then we’ve got a lot of confidence in (LB) Ramik (Wilson) to be able to step up and do some good things. But, there’s not a tougher person than Mark Barron. So, you know if he’s not able to go, then it’s bothering him.”

    (On if there will be a guy that plays a similar role as Former Rams WR Tavon Austin did last year)

    “Yeah, you’ll have to see on Monday night. We’ll see. Wish nothing but the best for (Cowboys WR) Tavon (Austin). He did give us a different element – being able to do some different things, specific to his skillset. Pharoh’s a guy that definitely provides a similar skillset, things like that, but we’ll see.”

    (On how well DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Aqib Talib and CB Marcus Peters are grasping the new defense)

    “I think they’ve done a great job. One of the things that’s consistent about all three of those guys and really (CB) Sam Shields, you can add him into the mix and Ramik Wilson for that for that – these guys play football. They’ve played a lot of football, so they’ve been exposed to some different systems. Aqib has some history playing under (Defensive Coordinator) Wade (Phillips) in Denver. I think they’ve all got a great feel for the game. They’ve got a understanding of where they fit within the framework of the calls specific to different situations and I think that’s why you see those guys have had such great production throughout their careers. We’re looking forward to seeing them all play together. It’s been good to get (DT) Aaron (Donald) back as well. It’s going to be a great challenge. There’s a lot of things that I know (Head) Coach (Jon) Gruden will do an excellent job presenting from an offensive standpoint. They’ve got a great quarterback in Derek Carr and some elite playmakers to be able to get the ball to, tough offensive line. So, it’s going to be a great challenge and hopefully our guys will be ready to go.”

    (On how much of a challenge it was to come up with new wrinkles for the offense)

    “I think the biggest thing is every year, whether you look at yourself from a self-scout standpoint and you try to make sure that you evolve and you adapt. The league, especially just from a defensive coaching standpoint, they do such a great job of presenting a variety of looks or adjusting based on year-to-year. Some of the trends that inevitably come up within the framework of a season or over the last couple years, so we try to be mindful of that. You know part of that is studying yourself, but then part of that is also not being afraid to study some other people. There’s a lot of really good coaches around this league and in college as well, that we’ve studied some different tape. It’s about if it fits our players. We’re certainly – I’m not afraid to steal a play from somebody if we feel like it fits us. All these plays, I can promise you that not a single play we run we were the first ones to do it. It’s all kind of going back from just adjusting it off of what other people have previously done. That’s why you feel fortunate to have been exposed to a lot of good coaches that teach you and then you try to adjust to your players.”

    (On if he’s planning on watching games tomorrow and if so, does he think he’ll see a lot of plays from the Rams offense being stolen around the league)

    “Well, I don’t think it’s really our offense. I think maybe it’s a couple plays, like I’ve said, that’ve been run before. It wasn’t like we were the first ones to invent it. A lot of the stuff that we’re doing has been a collaboration of our coaching staff. (Run Game Coordinator) Aaron Kromer has great ideas. (Pass Game Coordinator) Shane Waldron, (Quarterbacks Coach) Zac Taylor, (Wide Receiver Coach Eric) Yarber, (Running Backs Coach) Skip Peete – everybody’s contributing to what we’re really trying to get done offensively. It’s been really a unique situation of work with such a great group and let’s figure out how we can adjust to our players. When you’ve got good players like we do, it makes it fun. Definitely want to watch those games – get some stuff done –because I still am a fan. Can’t wait to see some of these guys compete but it’ll feel like probably an eternity sitting around all day on Monday waiting to play. I’m talking to myself as much as anything saying don’t be too early.”

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    Rams Outlook As We Approach Week One…

    1.) Some may not like the fact the first team offense did not see any action all preseason, but the manner in which McVay and his staff did devote the playing time for the preseason contests led to some important depth roles seeing plenty of live snaps which gave the coaching staff and players competing for spots every opportunity to earn their roles. Don’t believe any of the players released can complain they did not get a fair shot to rise on the depth chart.

    2.) Expounding on the topic above, the snaps the first year players received in camp and the preseason contests were invaluable for the 2018 season. Many played above the level that was anticipated when drafted. The play of Noteboom was especially impressive. As was the play of Lawler, Kiser, JFM, and Kelly. Think all four of those talents played as if they were day 2 talents in the draft.

    3) Very anxious to get a look at the 2018 first team offense. The 2017 offense was the beneficiary of being able to catch defenses without a lot of tape to develop their game day plans and schemes. The design of the offense was also heavily influenced by returning talent from the prior regime, as well as Lafluer as the OC and Olsen as the qb coach. The one package the offense executed well under the prior regime, jet sweeps and wr screens, became a weekly staple. The addition of Cooks gives them a talent in these packages who was more productive than any talent Rams had in 17 to execute them.

    Now that we are entering the second season of the McVay era, with McVay adding talent since his arrival that fits his vision for this offense I am very anxious to see the new packages which were influenced by Kromer on the ground and Shane Waldron in the air packages. Assume the misdirection, sweeps and screens remain a staple. You simply do not add a talent like Cooks then remove one of the strengths of his addition.

    4.) With the defense Snead and Company has assembled for Wade, to the NFL I say let them play or put them in dresses and change the entertainment focus to a miss universe contest. Seriously though, this defense has been assembled in a fashion that is both built to defend against the NFL game that is currently being played through the air, but has a yesteryear tenacity with talent that can get after a qb and get into the backfield to blow up runs before they develop. If they do find a seam, we have some new hitters in Kiser, Wilson and some improved returners like Hagar to lay some wood. And lets not forget the tad undersized but extreme thumper that is Mark Barron.

    Staying on the Barron theme, he could be a huge beneficiary if Wade decides to give him the freedom to green dog all season. Barron has the veteran savvy and Wade allowing this would not shock me. With the front four opposing offenses have to concern themselves with that includes two talents inside that require extra attention, Barron could end the day early for all 16 qb’s Rams face in 2018.

    5.) The rb depth canned be summed up in one word, impressive. McVay has options to keep Gurley fresh for the November/December portion of the schedule when pounding the rock becomes imperative.

    Would love to see a Malcolm Brown/Kelly duo develop into a Rocky Bleier role early in the season, closing out 3 score leads in quarter 4, keeping Gurley’s legs fresh so Rams can ride Gurley from November on all the way to the Super Bowl!

    6.) Rams went heavy at Safety both on active roster and PS. Certain Bones tagged a couple talents at key contributors on teams as he seeks to replace the speed needed now that players are prohibited from getting a running start. But with Joyner playing on tag and the Rams resigning the talent they have this offseason, think the preparation for his departure has begun.

    I have an appreciation of the play, hard work and effort of the undersized Joyner, hard not to root for a player of his physical stature who plays much larger on game day. However never got the feel Joyner is the prototypical talent Wade seeks at the Safety position. If someone steps up and gains Wade’s trust on the backend during this season, I would not be shocked if the phasing out does not occur during the 2018 season. One look at the offseason focus of the defense tells us Wade is seeking to improve upon the no fly zone he had in his Denver defense.

    7.) The Rams have also added 2 TE’s to the practice squad in Coble and Hemingway. McVay is being extremely patient with Hemingway’s recovery, hoping he regains the explosiveness McVay saw briefly last camp. If Hemingway does regain that explosiveness look for him to be added to the active roster shortly thereafter. At 246lbs, think McVay would love to add what he could offer in the short yardage packages and sealing the edge assignments in three TE look.

    Think Coble played himself into a position on the PS during camp and the preseason contests. McVay is a huge believer in his ” we improve daily” philosophy and Coble simply showed too much improvement to abandon his development. In fact one has to wonder how tough a decision it was to decide between Mundt and Coble for the third TE on the active roster?

    TE is a position I will be watching closely early in the season. Mundt was pleasant surprise when aligned as the Joker in the preseason, but at only 233, not a lot of beef to serve as the inline and H positions. The number of pass attempts thrown the 3rd TE’s way during the 2017 season could be counted on one hand. Anxious to see who McVay/Kromer has targeted to serve blocking specialist from the position in 2018. Could we actually see the 6 olineman packages McVay was known to use during his tenure in Washington?

    8.) During his college career Jared Goff improved each and every season. In 2017 there was a lot of national hoopla made over McVay calling the plays for Goff from the sidelines. In season two under McVay I expect Goff to have developed a full understanding of the McVay offensive concepts resulting in increased precision.

    Often these improvements cannot be visualized by the naked eye, but reduction of fractional seconds in play execution can be large on game day. The opponents best pass rusher cannot disrupt, the second/ third reads recognized more rapidly, the spots on the field where the ball needs to be delivered become second nature, the game slows allowing for recognition of previously unseen opportunities (back shoulder throws etc..)

    In order for the Rams all in philosophy of the front office for the 2018 season to be a success, we need for Goff to take these steps forward, with his amount of growth equaling the growth he displayed each season during his college career.

    One of the areas I will be watching early in the season is Goff’s growth when is called upon to roll left. A new wrinkle in his 2017 play as I believe I can state factually Goff was never called upon to execute a roll left during his short tenure under Fisher (at least not in live gameday action). Goff showed improvement in this area as the 2017 season progressed, but now has had a full offseason to improve his footwork on this design. The roll left is an important part of McVay’s dual TE packages.

    9.) My apologies for the length of this thread but I simply cannot end this thread without giving credit to the entire Rams Front Office responsible for the Football Operations. Les Snead and company are hot at the moment and longtime fans of the organization should relish the work being done not only in the scouting and selection of talent from the college ranks but also on the professional side, scouting the talent to be free agents or made available via trade etc..

    The just concluded draft was especially impressive. The talent the Rams were able to add to the roster without having a day one selection could be the most important of all drafts towards the assembling of a dynasty. Very important pieces in completing a roster filled with star talent and star level cap hits.

    GO RAMS!!

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    Trade official, source tells ESPN:

    Bears get: Khalil Mack, a 2020 second-round round pick and a conditional 2020 fifth-round pick.

    Raiders get: 2019 first-round pick, 2020 first-round pick, 2020 third-round pick, 2019 sixth-round pick.

    So Bears get back second-round pick, too

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    Louis Riddick@LRiddickESPN
    No logical reason for #raiders to make this “football” move. No salary cap reason either. This has to be a cash issue. You do not let guys like @52Mack_ out the door. Their loss is #bears gain. 🤷🏾‍♂️

    Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
    People are lazily making it seem like #Raiders decided they’re better off w/o Mack. They decided they’re better off w/o Mack at the number his demands rose to & what meeting it would have meant to ability to build a balanced roster.

    My sense: Mack/camp were always going to wait out Donald’s situation before getting serious. It was the benefit of Mack making $14m to Donald’s $7m this year. Better position to be patient

    Aaron Donald deal changed dynamics. Raiders could have met/topped, but ultimately decided adding 2 1sts/spreading Mack money around was wiser approach

    #Raiders decided they’re better off moving Mack at that # for draft capital & better financial flexibility to construct that balanced roster. No guarantees picks pan out. But also no guarantee you can build a consistent contender while devoting so much cap space to a LB

    they’ve always been willing to make him highest paid defensive player of all time. But that threshold moved to another level with Donald deal. Topping that new number wasn’t prudent in #Raiders eyes compared to the draft capitol and $$ flexibility gained in trade

    #Rams are in a different place roster wise. It’s just a better roster across the board with more cost-certainty moving forward.

    It helps #Bears had the cap space to meet Mack’s demands and the willingness to give up two first round picks. That situation may never have presented itself to #Raiders again

    Benjamin Allbright@AllbrightNFL
    “Two first rounders is too much to pay for Mack”

    Ok… would you trade the last two first rounders your team picked for him?

    99% of you would say yes

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    Jim Trotter@JimTrotter_NFL
    Going forward, each time I hear Gruden say he wants players who have great character and talent, who don’t miss games, who are bad-asses on the field but gentlemen off it, who are great teammates and leaders, I’m going to post a picture of Khalil Mack.

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    Dan Wiederer@danwiederer
    When Matt Nagy gathered his team Friday for an important announcement, one player shouted from the back: “Have we all just been traded for Khalil Mack?”

    Prince Amukamara: “It was awesome. I was cracking up.”

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    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    Trying to envision what my life would be like right now if the Rams had traded Aaron Donald for two first-round picks. It’s not a pleasant thought.

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    Gary Klein@LATimesklein
    Who woke up happier than Sean McVay? Aaron Donald is back for the Rams, and Khalil Mack is gone from Raiders.

    Joel Corry@corryjoel
    It’s hard to reach an agreement when refusing to negotiate with Khalil Mack’s agent.

    Joey Bosa has the same agents as Aaron Donald. He’s eligible for a new contract after the 2018 regular season ends. If the Chargers wait until 2020 when he’s in his option year, more than $25M per year & over $100M in guarantees wouldn’t be a surprise.

    Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
    One observation that stood out to me after Aaron Donald signed yesterday: Sean McVay, a giddy kid earlier in the week after he learned Donald’s deal was close, returned to football-only mode. He was a freight train in motion, geared toward Oakland.

    Aaron Donald took a brief pause Friday when talking to reporters about what his six-year, $135 million contract extension meant to him and his family. Donald said when he started in the NFL he never imagined he’d one day become the highest-paid defensive player in league history. “My ultimate goal was always to make it to this point and be able to retire my mom and dad,” Donald said. “So, to have an opportunity to call them and tell them that they don’t have to work another day in their life, that was the best feeling ever to me. So, thinking about it I get a little emotional. My mom and dad are just happy. Told them they can just relax, it’s on me now. So, like I said, God is good and I’m just blessed

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    Three-and-out. #LARams

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    from The five players still holding out and the dynamics of each situation
    Here’s what’s likely in store for Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack, Earl Thomas, Roquan Smith and Le’Veon Bell

    Joel Corry (former sports agent, NFL contracts and salary cap expert for CBS sports)

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-the-five-players-still-holding-out-and-the-dynamics-of-each-situation/

    Holdout dynamics

    A holdout is ultimately a test of both sides’ resolve. Once a player misses the beginning of training camp, there usually isn’t much dialogue between a player’s agent and the team early on when there is a contract impasse. Teams typically approach a holdout as if the player is injured, look for replacements at his position either internally or from available free agents and evaluate how the team performs with him absent.
    Most holdouts don’t mind missing the daily grind of training camp but as the regular season gets closer, a player may start having second thoughts about his decision. If meaningful dialogue on a new contract resumes, it may not be until the middle of the preseason. There were hardly any conversations with the Buccaneers during most of McCardell’s holdout because both sides were firmly entrenched in their positions.
    Savvy teams will refrain from talking to the media about the player, besides an obligatory statement about being unwilling to publicly comment on a player who isn’t in training camp or that the player’s contributions are valued and welcome him returning to the team when he is ready to honor his contract. In most cases, fans don’t take a player’s side in a contract dispute with a team. The public has difficulty relating to a player being unhappy with what is a lucrative contract in their eyes or rejecting a substantial offer. Unusual circumstances are required for public sentiment to be with the player.
    A major obstacle a player must overcome is a team’s concern about establishing a precedent of giving into a player’s demands for a new contract through a holdout. Although teams should be able to easily make distinctions based on each player’s particular circumstances, they don’t want to send a signal to the other team members that they could get rewarded by holding the team hostage. This is especially the case when there is a new owner, or new general manager or new head coach with a hands-off owner. Along those lines, some teams have a philosophy that meaningful dialogue about a new contract won’t occur while the player is a holdout.
    Prominent players at impact positions have the best chance of success provided they remain patient and give the impression that they are willing to continue their absence into the regular season. Once a player decides to end an unsuccessful holdout, some teams will reduce the fines accumulated as a gesture of goodwill, especially with a player who is one of the most important players on the team or a veteran that commands a lot of respect among his teammates. The Rams waived Donald’s training-camp fines, didn’t recover his signing bonus they were entitled to collect and opted against voiding his contract guarantees with last year’s holdout.
    The longer a holdout drags on, the more of a distraction it can become with coaches and teammates being constantly asked about it by the media before and after games and practices. It also helps to be on playoff contenders/teams with Super Bowl aspirations or teams where the head coach or general manager is on the hot seat. Pressure may be put on ownership to do whatever it takes to get the player back into the fold as the regular season approaches. Smith’s holdout was aided by Jacksonville’s first-team offense struggling to move the football without him (16 punts in 17 offensive possessions).

    Aaron Donald, DL, Rams

    Chief Operating Officer Kevin Demoff has characterized the contract standoff the Rams are having with Donald for a second-straight year as a fundamental disagreement on value. General manager Les Snead painted a rosier picture Wednesday when talking to a group of reporters at the team’s hotel in Baltimore, where the Rams play their first preseason game on Thursday. He said the parties are in the same “zip code.”
    The Rams are reportedly willing to make Donald the NFL’s highest-paid defensive player (which is currently Broncos linebacker Von Miller at $19,083,333 per year and $70 million in overall guarantees) and a charter member of the $20 million-per-year non-quarterback club. It is my understanding that at least restoring the traditional financial relationship between the highest-paid quarterback and non-quarterback, which existed under the current CBA before salaries for passers dramatically increased over the last year, is important to Donald’s camp. A deal averaging more than $23 million per year with $85 million in guarantees where $65 million to $70 million fully guaranteed at signing would recreate the balance.
    Snead’s comments are encouraging for a long-term resolution before the Rams’ regular-season opener against the Raiders on Sept. 10. The Rams’ Super Bowl aspirations would be likely diminished without the reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year’s services.
    The Rams won the battle in a contest of wills when Donald ended his lengthy holdout last year without getting a new contract. If history repeats itself because talks breakdown where Donald plays out his rookie contract, he won’t have to worry about not qualifying for unrestricted free agency. From a practical standpoint, the Rams would use a franchise tag on Donald in lieu of a giving him a first-round restricted free agent of tender of $7,581,200 at a 10 percent of this year’s salary. The first-round pick compensation for Donald as a restricted free agent wouldn’t be enough to deter another team from signing a player of his magnitude to an offer sheet with a player-friendly structure and money that could make the Rams uncomfortable. The same risks wouldn’t exist with a non-exclusive franchise tag requiring two first-round picks as compensation for an unmatched offer sheet.

    Khalil Mack, DE, Raiders

    NFL Media’s Ian Rapoport reported during his recent visit to Oakland’s training camp that there haven’t been contract discussions since February and the Raiders don’t currently have an offer on the table for their best player. General manager Reggie McKenzie refused to negotiate with left tackle Donald Penn last year while he was holding out. Penn signed a new deal shortly after ending his holdout. The lack of any negotiations for such an extended period of time don’t suggest that Oakland would be willing to take a similar approach with 2016’s NFL Defensive Player of the Year if he reported to camp.
    Mack’s agent, Joel Segal, has also demonstrated an ability to play hardball. He navigated running back Chris Johnson through a successful holdout in 2011 that lasted until the Titans gave his client a four-year, $53.975 million contract extension in early September.
    Mack ending his holdout before Donald would be surprising since a new Donald deal should serve as a baseline once negotiations eventually resume. It’s fair to wonder whether the Raiders will be able to afford Mack, provided a Donald deal brings more clarity to the marketplace since a more concerted effort hasn’t been made to sign him and Mark Davis is reportedly among the NFL’s most cash-poor team owners. If the intel I received on Gruden still holds true, he probably wouldn’t relish having to deal with a disgruntled Mack playing on his fifth-year option.
    Mack’s situation could have some residual effects. Segal also represents 2015 fourth-overall pick Amari Cooper. A bounce-back season by Cooper will put Segal in position to demand top wide receiver money for him. Segal is also 2016 first-round pick Karl Joseph’s agent.

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    Nittany you’re in the medical industry.

    How accurate a picture is that?

    ..

    It’s an accurate depiction of the direction US healthcare is going.

    I’m on several committees at the hospital in which I work and everything we do is geared towards patient satisfaction.

    My wife is a physician. She pointed the article out to me. Her pay is directly tied to patient satisfaction. Her performance can be reviewed by patients after their visit. She’s actually rated by the number of stars she receives, where the patient can give her 1 to 5 stars depending on their level of satisfaction. On the surface this doesn’t seem like a bad thing, but the problem is that what makes the patient happy might not be what’s in the patient’s best interest. For example, when patients feel sick, they want an antibiotic. An antibiotic may not be warranted, but it doesn’t matter, if the patient doesn’t receive an antibiotic, the physician might get a bad rating. So the physician is under pressure to prescribe an unnecessary drug. Physicians know the ramifications of improperly used antibiotics (increased resistance) and are cautioned by their employers not to prescribe them when not necessary, but at the same time the employer is going to base the physician’s job performance, salary, and even employment on patient satisfaction. It puts be physician in a no-win situation. And this is just one example.

    Of course, the bottom line is, the patient may not be receiving the best possible care.

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    A doctor’s take on one of the problems with healthcare in the US.

    Link: https://opmed.doximity.com/death-by-patient-satisfaction-169e6c21887d

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    Bucky Brooks

    from http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000941322/article/earl-thomas-potential-landing-spots-darrelle-revis-true-legacy?campaign=Twitter_atn

    Explaining the Rams’ decision to immediately lock up Cooks.

    Much to the surprise of Rams fans patiently waiting for the team to lock up reigning Defensive Player of the Year Aaron Donald on a blockbuster deal, Los Angeles just inked newcomer Brandin Cooks to a five-year, $81 million contract extension before he’s even taken a snap for the team.

    “Brandin Cooks has shown himself to be a class act on and off the field since the first day he joined our team,” head coach Sean McVay said in a statement. “He’s a proven professional in this league and signing him to a long-term contract was always our goal.”

    Wow!

    My surprise isn’t a dismissal of Cooks’ talents as a frontline receiver, but I’m a little shocked his new team made such a hefty commitment before his debut season in L.A. Despite racking up three 1,000-yard campaigns and 27 touchdowns — while averaging 14.1 yards per catch — during his first four NFL seasons, Cooks hasn’t put up a yard for the Rams. We aren’t exactly sure how he’ll fit into this scheme, which has already posted big numbers without a household name on the perimeter. Now, that’s not a slight to Robert Woods or Cooper Kupp, but neither is necessarily regarded as an A-level playmaker. The team’s passing game is more systematic than player-driven.

    That said, the system does call for a speed receiver with fine route-running ability and catch-and-run skills. After Sammy Watkins’ departure, the team needed a long-term solution in this area. That’s ultimately why the Rams valued Cooks at a premium, despite only having seen him perform in offseason workouts.

    “Cooks is a more complete player than Watkins,” a Rams official told me. “He is a better route runner and he has a little more position flexibility. … He gives us an opportunity to create more mismatches on the perimeter. That should lead to more points.”

    To that point, Cooks has been miscast by some observers as a one-trick (field-stretching) pony. When I look at the tape, I see a legitimate WR1 with big-time playmaking ability in an offensive scheme with a history of elevating playmakers (see: DeSean Jackson under McVay in Washington). Cooks has 20 receptions of 40-plus yards in his brief career, including 18 over the past three seasons. That’s the kind of production that catches defensive coordinators’ attention and leads to fewer defenders in the box. Great news for Todd Gurley. In addition, Cooks’ presence on the perimeter should prevent opponents from squeezing Woods and Kupp with exotic coverage tactics. This will enable Jared Goff to continue stringing together completions on easy throws to his No. 2 and No. 3 receivers at short and intermediate range.

    But how do the Rams plan to negotiate with Gurley and Donald after tossing this chunk o’ change at Cooks? Well, remember, the Rams have a Pro Bowl quarterback playing on a cheap rookie deal, which frees up significant cap dollars to lock up emerging stars on the team.

    As the Rams look to dominate the NFC with their version of the “Big Three” (Goff, Gurley and Cooks), the decision to immediately lock up their new pass catcher could prove to be quite a wise investment when we look back at the move in a few years.

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    Matt Waldman’s RSP NFL Lens: Rams WR Josh Reynolds is Still Worth Your Attention

    MATT WALDMAN

    link: https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2018/07/03/matt-waldmans-rsp-nfl-lens-rams-wr-josh-reynolds-is-still-worth-your-attention/

    Matt Waldman’s Rookie Scouting Portfolio still believes that second-year Rams receiver Josh Reynolds is a talent that will blossom into an NFL starter.

    As with any segment of life involving human beings, you have to account for fickle and impatient behavior from sports fans. If the player isn’t good immediately, something must be wrong with him. If something is wrong with him, it’s easier to write him off than having even the slightest emotional or intellectual investment to keep tabs on his development with an open mind.

    Robert Woods was “just a guy” in Buffalo until he wasn’t last year in Los Angeles. Emmanuel Sanders was an athletic reserve who might contribute low-end starter production in an offense loaded with talent until he went to Denver and earned 256 receptions, 2,571 yards, and 20 touchdowns in 3 years.

    Marvin Jones earned 18 receptions for 201 yards and a touchdown as a rookie. Antonio Brown earned 16 catches for 167 yards and didn’t score a touchdown as a rookie. Mike Wallace was the talk of Pittsburgh and even fellow rookie Sanders out-played Brown.

    Josh Reynolds had 11 receptions for 104 yards and a touchdown as a rookie. His most impressive play last year didn’t even happen during the regular season:

    It may not count, but plays like these are evidence worth filing away in the mental Rolodex. So should the fact that later in the same drive, Reynolds beat single coverage up the left sideline for a touchdown a go route.

    Brandin Cooks, Robert Woods, and Cooper Kupp will start for the Rams in 2018. However, Los Angeles still has plans for Reynold’s future. Although Kupp has some red-zone chops, Reynolds has the best skillset to replace Sammy Watkins on fades and slants in this area of the field. Cooks has proven that this is not his game.

    Expect Reynolds to earn excellent matchups in four-receiver sets as well as red zone sub-package opportunities. He may not deliver starter production in 2018, but he’ll continue flashing starter potential.

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    The Many Problems With ‘Moneyball’

    ALLEN BARRA

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/09/the-many-problems-with-moneyball/245769/

    Michael Lewis’s book-turned-movie made a legend out of Oakland A’s general manager Billy Beane. But does his record match the hype?

    The film Moneyball is—just like the 2003 bestseller by Michael Lewis it’s based on—an idealized version of what happened with Billy Beane and the Oakland A’s in the early part of the last decade. Beane is credited with adapting baseball analyst Bill James’s statistical concepts into practical application. James, a lucid and witty writer with a refreshingly iconoclastic view of baseball history, had argued for years that on-base percentage (OBP, which measure a batter’s ability to reach base by hit or walk) was much more significant than mere batting average (BA, which only measures hits). James also stressed the relative value of slugging average (SLG, which measures a batter’s total bases per at-bat) and dismissed the more traditional baseball stats such as stolen bases and bunts.

    James long ago won over the smart guys, in whose ranks this writer regards himself. The cult of professional statisticians that followed in James’s wake came to be known as “sabermatricians” as nearly all of them are members of SABR, the Society for American Baseball research. But a myth has built up around Moneyball the book, a myth largely propagated by the smart guys who want to see their most cherished beliefs about baseball transformed into hard reality. The myth says Beane single-handedly changed the game by recognizing the value of sabermetrics. But the myth doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

    So popular has Moneyball proved since its publication that few have bothered to notice some of its very fundamental flaws. Throughout the book, Lewis makes it clear that he doesn’t understand baseball.

    His first important error is his misunderstanding of the competitiveness of the sport by the end of the 20th century. In the preface to Moneyball he writes, “For more than a decade, the people who run professional baseball have argued that the game was ceasing to be an athletic competition and becoming a financial one. The gap between rich and poor in baseball was far greater than in any other professional sport and widening rapidly.” Lewis is correct if he’s talking about the salaries paid by the richest and poorest teams, but he’s not correct if he’s talking about the competition in the ballparks.

    He writes:

    At the opening of the 2002 season [the year Lewis’s focus is on in Moneyball] the richest team, the New York Yankees, had a payroll of $140 million while the two poorest teams, the Oakland A’s and the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, had payrolls less than a third of that, about $40 million. A decade before the highest payroll team, the New York Mets, had spent about $44 million on baseball players, and the lowest based payroll team, the Cleveland Indians, a bit more than $8 million. The growing disparity meant that only the rich teams could afford the best players. A poor team could afford only the maimed and the inept, and was almost certain to fail. Or so argued the people who ran baseball.

    And I was inclined to concede the point. The people with the most money often win.
    From an historical standpoint, Lewis is, well, way off base. By the end of the 20th century baseball had achieved a greater level of competitive balance than at any time in the game’s history. As I noted in my 2002 book, Clearing The Bases, “In the year 2000, for the first time ever, not a single team in baseball history finished above .600 or below .400 … as the twentieth century went on, the difference between the best teams in baseball and the worst teams narrowed, and by the year 2000 it was smaller than at any other time in baseball history.”

    Simply put, in 2000 the average difference between the worst and best teams was 20 percentage points; ten points plus or minus is all that was needed to close the gap between the team with the best record in baseball, the San Francisco Giants at 97-65 for a won-lost percentage of .599, and the worst, the Philadelphia Phillies and Chicago Cubs, tied at 65-97 for a .401 mark. In a bit of irony that Lewis did not notice, the team with the best record in 2000 was a small-market team, the Giants, who were right across the Bay from Oakland, and the two teams with the worst record were from huge markets, Philadelphia and Chicago. (By the way, the small-market Giants won the World Series last year.)
    Competition looked uneven by the year 2000 because the Yankees, an organization shrewdly built on both developing players and buying free agents, had won four World Series from 1996 through 2000. But the Yankees had pretty much dominated baseball since the 1920s. The point is that by the year 2000 many more teams had a chance to make the playoffs, and, as Billy Beane himself was fond of saying, “The postseason is a crapshoot.”

    But Moneyball doesn’t just get the state of present-day baseball wrong; it also misrepresents the history of the sport. Baseball didn’t become a game of “moneyball” in 2002—it has always been a game about, for, and dictated by money.

    Moneyball doesn’t give you a picture of what baseball in general and the Oakland A’s in particular were like before the game entered the era of free agency and before Billy Beane is said to have changed the game. As I wrote in an article for the Wall Street Journal last week, “In the 26 seasons before Beane became general manager of the A’s in 1998, Oakland was the biggest winner in baseball, with six pennants and four World Series victories. The Yankees, by comparison, won five pennants and three World Series over that span.”

    Three of those Oakland pennants—1972, 1973, and 1974—came when the irascible Charles O. Finley was the A’s owner. Finley had few resources but was an amazingly shrewd judge of talent; Marvin Miller, founder of the player’s union, called Finley “absolutely the best judge of baseball talent I’ve ever seen.” Part of Finley’s wisdom was investing whatever money he had in his farm system, particularly the Birmingham A’s of the 1960s, who produced Reggie Jackson, Rollie Fingers, Bert Campaneris, and other mainstays of his later big-league championship teams. Finley whipped the big boys with patience and smarts, beefing up his minor league affiliates at a time when the richer, arrogant Yankees allowed theirs to decay. It can be argued that Finley thrived before the era of free agency, which drove up salaries and made it more difficult for small-market owners to compete. The problem with that is that the A’s had another three-year dynasty after the advent of free agency, from 1988-1990, in which they dominated the American League, going to the World Series for three straight seasons.

    The point is that in baseball there have always been factors that mitigate domination by the richest teams. There’s no denying that the Yankees, Phillies, and Red Sox, with the highest payrolls in baseball, have definite advantages. But the Phillies, though they are the largest single-market team in baseball and don’t share their territory with another major league team (as do the Yankees with the Mets, the Cubs with the White Sox, and the Dodgers with the Angels) were the worst team in either league until the last few years. (When Philadelphia won the World Series in 1980, they were the last of the original 16 teams to win the championship. When they won in 2008 it was only for the second time in the franchise’s history.)
    Injuries, bad luck, front-office stupidity, sentimental weaknesses that result in signing older players to multi-year contracts, and just plain dumb luck have always been among the reasons why just pouring money into a major-league team doesn’t automatically result winning a pennant. And while baseball doesn’t have a salary cap and a fair revenue-sharing program like the National Football League, contrary to Lewis, its free market has produced a fairer system in terms of giving most teams a chance to win than the other major sports.

    However far back you want to take the comparison, from the first Super Bowl in 1967 to the present, or just from the start of the new millennium, baseball has had more different playoff teams and more different champions than professional football.

    The real problem with Moneyball, however, is not Lewis’s failure to understand baseball history. It’s his failure to see what was going on right in front of his and Beane’s eyes in 2002. In their book, The Beauty of Short Hops: How Chance and Circumstance Confound the Moneyball Approach to Baseball, Sheldon Hirsch and Alan Hirsch point out perhaps the biggest hole in Lewis’s analysis. They write that Moneyball

    distorts the reason for Oakland’s success. The team thrived primarily because of superb pitching. During its turn of post-season appearances, the A’s were second to third in the league in fewest runs allowed, whereas in some of these seasons, they finished in the bottom half in runs scored. At the heart of the pitching staff were three dominant starters: Mark Mulder, Tim Hudson, and Barry Zito. All three wee early-round draft picks, highly scouted, and well regarded—Mulder and Zito were selected in the top ten of their respective drafts. This was hardly a case of Beane’s spotting sleepers … because of nuanced numbers. Indeed, Michael Lewis does not suggest that sabermetrics had anything to do with Beane drafting the three studs who led Oakland to greatness. Indeed, he virtually ignores them. Lewis devoted a few paragraphs to the Big Three (making the strained claim that Beane appreciated them for quirky reasons), quickly dropping them and transitioning to an entire chapter on … Chad Bradford.
    Bradford was indeed one of Billy Beane’s quirkiest pitchers and one of his most unusual finds. If you saw him pitch, you’d never forget him—his right-handed delivery was so sidearm that some called it “underarm.” Some swore that his knuckles actually grazed the ground. Few teams took Bradford seriously because of his unorthodox delivery, but he proved to be a pretty good relief pitcher with an ERA of 3.26 for 12 seasons.

    “One can understand,” the Hirsches write, “why Lewis, ever the gifted storyteller, devotes more than 40 pages to this relatively anonymous relief pitcher. Which is fine, except that Moneyball implies that Bradford played a crucial role in Oakland’s success. In a typical season, Zito, Mulder and Hudson gave the team more than 650 quality innings and roughly 50 wins, whereas Chad Bradford never won more than seven games and topped at 77 innings. What about saves? Bradford recorded hardly any because Oakland never trusted him to be their closer. In a book ostensibly written to explain a team’s success, Michael Lewis treats three dominant pitchers as an afterthought and obsesses about a pretty good middle-reliever.”
    Alan and Sheldon Hirsch highlight an unfortunate truth about Moneyball, namely that what does not fit Lewis’s narrative—that Billy Beane’s revolutionary use of baseball statistics changed the game—tends to be left out entirely.

    At the beginning of the hoopla for Moneyball the movie a week or so ago, a former Phillies relief pitcher, Mitch “Wild Thing” Williams, identified something else Lewis overlooked on MLB.com: “What Oakland won they didn’t win because of sabermetrics. They won because of Mulder, Hudson, Zito and Tejada.”

    Shortstop Miguel Tejada more or less slips through the pages of Moneyball with little notice; you’d scarcely know that he batted .308 that season with 34 home runs and 131 RBIs. He simply wasn’t Billy Beane’s kind of player. Though his OBP was a respectable .354, you get the feeling that he just didn’t reach base the right way—the “moneyball” way. In one passage, Beane dismisses him altogether. “Oh, great,” he says with real disgust, “Here comes Mister Swing-At-Everything.” Mister Swing-At-Everything did reach base 204 times with hits, but that’s not the Billy Beane way.

    Tejada and third baseman Eric Chavez drove in 240 runs between them, but Moneyball glosses over that fact as if the A’s would have found a way to get those 240 runners home anyway. Runners like catcher-turned-first baseman Scott Hatteberg. No doubt making a strong contribution to the A’s division championship, Hatteberg batted .280 with 15 home runs. His .374 OBP was 20 points higher than Tejada’s and 26 higher than Chavez. But his OBS—on-base percentage plus slugging average, a useful stat which measures not only how often a hitter gets on base but his power as reflected in extra base hits—was 54 points lower than Tejada’s and 53 lower than Chavez’s. But Hatteburg reached base the Beane way by walking 68 times, so he gets the lion’s share of the ink in Moneyball.

    As the movie implies, Hatteberg’s story is something of a Cinderella tale, and Beane deserves all the credit for recognizing his usefulness. He had posted on OBP of .367 in 2001 with the Red Sox, but neither the book or the movie tells the whole story. As Sheldon and Alan Hirsch put it,

    A large part of Beane’s genius, and Lewis’s telling, concerned knowing when to obtain and release players; he buys low and sells high. But the opposite was the case with Hatteberg. Beane signed him for $900,000, but after three seasons had to pay him $2,450,000. Beane lost interest in him, and Cincinnati signed him to a one-year contract for the bargain basement price of $750,000. Moneyball claims Beane succeeded on a low budget because of mega-efficiency, but Hatteberg reflects Beane at his least efficient; at Cincinnati, Hatteberg’s productivity per-dollar was astronomically higher than at Oakland.
    By the way, The Beauty of Short Hops, though it punctures gaping holes in Moneyball, has all but been ignored by the baseball sports establishment, just as the truth of the numerous Bill James-derived statistics that Beane used were previously ignored by the old baseball establishment.
    Moneyball ends with the story of Jeremy Brown, one of eight players who Beane was obsessed with at the time Lewis was writing the book. Brown, an overweight catcher for the University of Alabama, couldn’t run or field his position very well but had a remarkable talent, at least at the college level, of getting on base, often by drawing walks. Beane chose Brown with the 35th pick in the amateur draft. In 2008, after accumulating just 10 at-bats in the major leagues, Brown gave it up and retired.

    “It turned out the scouts were right,” write the Hirsches, “to compare Jeremy Brown to Babe Ruth because both were fat and walked a lot was like comparing Manute Bol to Wilt Chamberlain because both were tall and blocked shots .. Michael Lewis, caught up in a theory and a story, found their merger in this improbable spectacle. If Jeremy Brown didn’t exist, Beane and Lewis would have invented him. In fact, that’s exactly what they did.”

    None of Beane’s other 2008 draft picks panned out, either.

    Perhaps the bitterest irony, one that still hasn’t gotten across with most of the sports media, is who sabermetrics actually did end up helping. The subtitle of Moneyball is “The Art of Winning an Unfair Game.” As a long, feel-good story in the September 26 Sports Illustrated details, the team that seems to have benefited most from the study of sabermetrics is the Boston Red Sox, who hired Bill James as an advisor in 2004. It was, of course, long overdue that major league front offices should recognize James’s genius, but surely Red Sox GM Theo Epstein, a James aficionado, would have made use of his talents with or without Billy Beane’s relative success in Oakland. And it certainly must be acknowledged that the Red Sox, with enormous resources at their disposal, had the money to pursue and sign high-pried free agents who the A’s and other low budgets teams could not.

    With James on board, the Red Sox finally broke the so-called “Curse of the Bambino” and won two World Series in 2004 and 2007—though they won in 2004 in the most improbable of ways, coming back from a 0-3 deficit to the Yankees in the ALCS, just as they had lost the ALCS to the Yankees in the most improbable fashion the previous season when their ace, Pedro Martinez, melted down and lost a sizeable lead in the deciding game.

    So while baseball is left to sort out for itself exactly what the true impact of sabermetrics is, it’s always good to remember that no set of statistics has ever been invented that predicts the future so well as it predicts the past. As I write this, the Red Sox—2011 payroll estimated at $161.7 million—are a horrendous 6-18 in September and are in a fight for their lives for the wild card spot in the AL playoffs with the same Tampa Bay Rays—payroll approximately $41.1 million—that Michael Lewis thought back in 2002 could no longer afford to be contenders.
    Lewis’s misunderstanding of baseball has led a legion of sportswriters and fans to revere Billy Beane. But does the record support the hype? To answer that question, we have to confront the A’s dismal post-season performance—a factor Beane (and Lewis) prefer we dismiss.

    “Anyone,” Beane told an ESPN reporter years ago after an A’s loss in the 2003 postseason, “who wants to diminish our accomplishments by focusing on the playoffs is foolish and ignorant. That’s not respectful to the players on this team.” Well, yes and yes. Most veteran baseball observers would agree that it’s the regular season that shows a team’s true strengths (and weaknesses) and that postseason success in baseball is not so certain as in football or basketball, where, generally, the team that’s supposed to win does win. But even in a crapshoot—and Lewis, as well as Beane, uses the term to define the postseason—the dice should eventually roll your way. Is there anything to be said about the repeated postseason flubs of Billy Beane’s best Oakland teams?

    Let’s review. From 2000-2003, the A’s lost in the first round of the playoffs, the American League Division Series, each year. Their collective record for those four series was 8-12. Even more stunning, given their success during the regular season, the A’s were an eye-popping 0-9 in potential clinchers—games that would have won the series and sent them on to the next round of playoffs.

    Some of their errors and miscues are among the most famous in 21st century major league baseball. In 2000, the A’s won 91 games over the season to the Yankees’ 87 but lost in the final game of the ALDS when Terrence Long, not known for his defensive skills, misplayed a long fly ball in the first inning, allowing the Yankees to clear the bases and blow the game open. The next season, the A’s once again outplayed the far richer eastern devils, winning 102 games to the Yanks’ 95. One of the key plays in the series came in game three when Derek Jeter streaked all the way across the field to snag a weak throw down the first base line and flip it to Jorge Posada, who tagged an unbelievably lazy Jeremy Giambi, who had forgotten to slide. In game five, the A’s led 2-0 in the bottom of the second when three Oakland errors led to two unearned runs that were the difference in the 5-3 win; one of the errors was by Jason Giambi at first base. Giambi was probably one of the worst fielding first basemen in baseball; the only reason he was playing the position that day was because he couldn’t play DH because his brother, the even worse fielding Jeremy, was in that slot.

    In 2002, the A’s faced the equally small market Minnesota Twins in the ALDS. Oakland was easily the better team, winning 103 games to the Twins’ 94. But in game four, the A’s fielding unraveled with two errors leading to five unearned runs in an ugly defeat. One error was committed by the normally sure-handed Miguel Tejada, but the other was by the usually unsurehanded Scott Hattesberg who was in the lineup because Beane loved his ability to get on base, not for his fielding skills. (As Lewis puts it, infield coach Ron Washington “was the one coach in baseball who could be certain that his general manager wouldn’t be wasting any money on fielding ability.”)
    The next season the A’s won three more games (96-93) than the big market Boston Red Sox. But in game three, perhaps the worst in Beane’s career, they committed four errors, capped off by Tejada and Eric Byrnes taking the team out of scoring opportunities with bone-headed base running. (Base running is low on Beane’s list of priorities.)

    What’s interesting about these four series is that three of them were against much larger-market teams. Each year Oakland demonstrated that they had the talent to win more games than the big guys, but each time they couldn’t play the “small ball” required to clench the key games that would have given them the series. You can call it a crapshoot, but all this is reflective of talents that Beane was largely indifferent to, namely fielding and base running, the kind of small things that get overlooked when a general manager is obsessed with large concepts like on-base percentage. And yet they are skills that don’t require a great deal of money to work on.

    Sports Illustrated’s Tom Verducci wrote in 2003 that “There are real reasons why the Athletics don’t get it down in October, and they have nothing to do with shooting craps. Beane’s teams don’t catch the ball well enough … and, as one Oakland source put it, ‘We’re the worst base running team in the league.'”

    Crap shoot? Perhaps, but the first front office official in baseball to studybaseball statistics had, perhaps, a better explanation: “Luck,” said the legendary Branch Rickey, a full half-century before Beane, “is the residue of design.”

    Curiously, Beane has been given a free pass by baseball writers for his team’s wretched postseason performance. Even more curious is another problem with Beane’s Oakland A’s that has gone almost complete unnoted. Front offices all over the major leagues have been sharply criticized for wearing blinders on the subject of performance enhancing drugs, yet drug use by the A’s in the Moneyball era has drawn practically no attention from anyone, especially Michael Lewis.

    We now know now that their best player and the 2002 American League MVP, Miguel Tejada, was on steroids from 2001-2003—he’s admitted it. We don’t know if Jeremy Giambi was doing anything more potent than marijuana at this time, though he later said he used anabolic steroids similar to those his brother Jason admitted to using in both Oakland and New York. We know that reserve outfielder/third baseman Adam Piatt dealt drugs when he was with Oakland from 2000-2003 (there even copies of two checks Tejada wrote him for the PEDs).

    It certainly isn’t as if there no red flags for Beane to notice. The leaders of the A’s 1988-1990 AL pennant winning teams, Jose Canseco, the self-proclaimed godfather of steroids, and Mark McGwire were rumored to taking some kind of steroids for years. Canseco was back on the A’s in 1997 while Beane was an assistant GM. Perhaps in 2002, when Lewis was writing Moneyball, too little was known about PEDs, but why is there nothing concerning the revelations of drug abuse on the team in subsequent editions?
    In The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, James Stewart patiently tells a reporter the real story about his legend: he didn’t really do what he was famous for doing. The reporter says with a shrug, “This is the West. When the fact becomes legend, print the legend.” Michael Lewis took fact and molded it into a legend. And now, lucky Billy Beane, with Brad Pitt playing him in the highly regarded film version of Moneyball, looks even better on the big screen than he did on the printed page.

    But while Hollywood can create legend, it can’t change the facts. And the fact is that first baseball analysts, then sportswriters, and now Hollywood have bought into the legend.

    #87655

    In reply to: Mr. Rogers

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    Fred Rogers, quiet radical: The misunderstood legacy of “Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood
    Author Michael Long on the iconic television host’s unique brand of pacifism and his gradual embrace of LGBT rights

    https://www.salon.com/2015/07/31/fred_rogers_stealth_progressivism_the_enduring_legacy_of_mr_rogers_neighborhood_partner/

    Michael Long’s new book, Peaceful Neighbor, dares to place Mister Rogers in his social, historical, and political context.

    I say “dares” because this can be more threatening to the reader than she might expect. Not that Long unearths salacious secrets—this isn’t a scandalous tell-all. But those of us who grew up watching Mister Rogers may discover, in reading Peaceful Neighbor, that we were hoping for a hagiography. Instead, Long offers us moments of Rogers being human—and that includes conflicts with cast members, decisions that were not as prophetic or consistent as one might wish in retrospect, and even some insecurities.

    All this from the man who kept blessedly telling kids that they were acceptable just as they were.

    Thankfully, the reader winds up getting a lot more than a hagiography. We get Fred Rogers, the ordained minister, whose television persona was built on a scaffold of theological and pastoral conviction. Without that background, it would be easy to imagine that Rogers came across as he did because he just happened to be a peculiarly benevolent person who was very kind in the way someone else might be very tall, or very tone-deaf. There’s probably some truth to that, but far more interesting are the ways in which Rogers accounted for the kindness he showed people, and wanted them to show each other and themselves.

    At points Peaceful Neighbor felt like it was systematizing Rogers’ theology more than Rogers himself did, but that might also be my own bias. Possibly I missed some of the argumentation in Rogers’ quoted words because they were expressed in letters to friends, and not in a theological treatise. In any case, Long successfully demonstrates that Rogers, who had studied both theology and child development, had put a lot of thought and skill into the things he said to very young children.

    Another major aim of the book is to present Rogers as a radical pacifist—not a wimpy milksop, but a man of great and countercultural conviction.

    I confess that this got my dander up at first. I know a lot of white Christian pacifist dudebros who justify their swaggering and mean-spirited braggadocio by saying that they’re “countercultural.” I wasn’t thrilled that they might try to claim Mister Rogers as one of their own.

    While I still would love to see that distinction developed further—between Mister Rogers’ “radicalism” and the “radicalism” of the self-styled nonviolent revolutionary hipsters for Jesus (and how the former entails a rejection of male privilege that the latter welcomes)—my beef might be with Rogers and not the book’s author. Long shows that Rogers himself worried that people might misunderstand his gentleness as wimpiness. I really would have liked to discover a Fred Rogers that would, upon reading Peaceful Neighbor from his heavenly orange and brown sofa, say something like: “Hey, thanks, but no need to rescue me from criticisms that I’m namby-pamby, or to recast me as more bravely countercultural than people guessed. People who say that are clearly operating out of a restrictive and toxic understanding of masculinity-as-domination that I reject entirely, so who cares about meeting their standards? Now, let’s watch a lecture by bell hooks on Picture Picture.”

    But having read Rogers’ actual words… well, I don’t know. He may not have gotten there.

    Long was kind enough to engage some of these questions over email from Elizabethtown College, where he teaches. If you’ve not read Peaceful Neighbor, the interview below will give you a sense of Long’s scope and style. If you have read it, then Long’s responses will likely give you a sense of his own response to discovering a more complex Mister Rogers than the one we probably carry around in our hearts.

    SMB: Could you begin by situating the book a bit? As I was reading Peaceful Neighbor, I wondered whether it was part of a wider conversation on nonviolence… or maybe even a not-yet-conversation that needs to become a conversation. In some quarters of American Christianity, the loudest calls for pacifism seem to go hand-in-hand with a kind of macho bravado that can alienate everyone who isn’t a white hetero hipster swaggerer into homebrewing, Crossfit, and Jesus. You seem to be offering a different model here—a Christian pacifist who is neither a conflict-averse fussbudget nor an aggressively overcompensating dudebro. Is that fair?

    ML: Yes, that’s fair. The model Rogers offers—one of being peace—is more closely aligned with Zen Buddhism than with the macho form of Christian pacifism that you so accurately identify.

    Thich Nhat Hanh once said that marching in the streets does not create peace. And while I don’t agree with him entirely—marchers did a lot to end the Vietnam War—he is right to suggest that peace has its roots in the quiet compassion of the human heart.

    Compassion is the adjective Rogers used when asked how he wanted to be remembered, and it is the practice that he tried to instill in his viewers so that they would become peacemakers. So rather than donning cut-off jeans and angrily pumping a peace sign while marching in the streets, he quietly modeled compassion as the antidote to violence, This does not mean he rolled over in a namby-pamby way, as the folk singer Pete Seeger once described him.

    Rogers might have sounded and looked wimpy, but he was fiercely dedicated to a pacifism rooted in human dignity for all. The strength of this conviction led him to create a program that sought to undermine an entire society poised to kill. Doing so Rogers felt, as he put it, strong.

    I was surprised to learn that, during the first Gulf War, Betty Aberlin and Fred Rogers had a fairly serious dispute over how to make best use of the platform they had to address the peace they both longed for—with Aberlin wanting to take a much more radical stand. Aberlin appealed to her Christian convictions, as Rogers elsewhere did to his. Was that a big surprise to you as well?

    The dispute between Aberlin and Rogers did not surprise me too much. These two forceful personalities were stylistically different. Aberlin was a street protestor, and Rogers was not. He preferred communicating his views in front of a camera and in the quiet of a studio. Rogers was also much more subtle and indirect in his approach than was Aberlin, though I hasten to add the two respected each other.

    What are some things that did surprise you?

    Perhaps most surprising to me was his suggestion, offered in the late 1960s, that Francois Clemmons, who played Officer Clemmons in the Neighborhood, keep his gay sexuality in the closet.

    According to Clemmons, if he did not stay in the closet, Rogers would remove him from the show. Hearing that counsel from his mentor was a painful and devastating moment for Clemmons. For me, it was surprising, given Rogers’s beautiful words about liking us just the way we are. But I do want to emphasize that Rogers evolved on this issue and that Clemmons came to feel that Rogers eventually understood Clemmons’s sexuality and that he fully welcomed his gay friends when they visited the set. Rogers also supported his local Presbyterian church’s outreach to the LGBT community.

    I was also pleasantly surprised to read letters of protest and dissent written by children viewers of an episode in which Rogers extolled Sea World and its care for the killer whale Shamu, These children had seen the popular movie “Free Willy” and were saddened and disturbed by Mister Rogers’s apparent unwillingness to free Shamu from the confines of the Sea World tank.

    The letters are very touching in the care they express for a killer whale in need of the freedom afforded by a vast ocean. They are also moving in the sense that they are the product of Rogers’s own creation—his handwork in encouraging children to express their feelings, including those of anger and disappointment. The letters of dissent penned by children are the powerful products of Rogers’s work in child development.

    I’m so glad you mentioned Officer Clemmons. I loved how you made him a three-dimensional character, even as I winced as I read his accounts of how his race and sexuality limited his role in the show. Clemmons mentions that he asked, more than once, to play the male lead opposite Betty Aberlin in the operas put on by the Neighborhood of Make-Believe. It sounded as though he was… well, I don’t think he said “dismissed,” but the description made it appear that Fred Rogers was dismissive of the idea, which Clemmons interpreted as Rogers’ hesitancy to show an interracial couple. And then in chapter 10 we learn that Rogers told Clemmons that someone had seen him at a gay bar and that, while Rogers personally had no problem with Clemmons being gay, under no conditions could Clemmons come out. And I guess I want to ask: why? Why did someone who had by then proven he could stand up to politicians, irate viewers, and TV industry people balk at having an out gay man as part of his cast?

    That’s a tough question. Rogers did not allow the politics of his conservative viewers prevent him from developing episodes that were progressive on issues of war, racial justice, feminism, economics, and ecology.

    But, according to Francois Clemmons, Rogers was indeed concerned that he would alienate conservative viewers had he addressed the issue of gay liberation on “Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood.” So what accounts for the apparent inconsistency, that is, Rogers’s willingness to take on, say, the Vietnam War but not gay liberation? To be honest, I do not know have a definitive answer to offer. Perhaps Rogers did not see the type of core support for gay liberation that he saw for other progressive issues, and so was concerned about being too far ahead on the issue.

    But let me stress that this is mere conjecture on my part. This is one of the issues that make me wish he were still around for us to talk with and learn from.

    If he were around today, I would ask him about gender identity as well. I remember his song that went something like “Boys are boys from the beginning / Girls are girls right from the start…” And then later: “Girls grow up to be the mommies / And boys grow up to be the daddies / Everybody’s fancy, everybody’s fine / Your body’s fancy, and so is mine” So it seems like he was operating with a fairly strict gender binary, though I suppose I need to remember that he didn’t write that song in 2015. To use a ripped-from-the-headlines test case, do you think Rogers would be able to accept and celebrate Caitlyn Jenner for who she is?

    My sense is that Rogers had a comparatively fluid notion of gender roles. He was constantly bending gender on his program in the sense that he showed males and females undertaking activities not normally associated with their gender. We can see this especially in his use of the puppet Lady Elaine Fairchilde. “I’m tired of being a lady!” she says at one point, indicating she wants to do work not typically identified as “lady-like.”

    And, indeed, throughout the years Lady Elaine Fairchilde takes on roles that had long been identified as for males alone. For example, years before Sally Ride became an astronaut, Lady Elaine flew to Pluto and even discovered Planet Purple along the way. Lady Elaine is one tough puppet!

    On a similar note, Rogers often showed himself (as Mister Rogers) doing things not historically associated with his gender. And so we can see early episodes in which he is ironing his clothes, cleaning his house, trying on wigs, and playing with dolls. In addition, Francois Clemmons recalls that Rogers encouraged him to get in touch with the feminine dimension of his personality. According to Clemmons, Rogers even wondered aloud whether wearing women’s clothes might help Clemmons explore his feminine side. So it seems that Rogers was quite progressive on the issues of gender and gender roles.

    As I ask these questions, I realize I have two responses to the book. One is: Wow, this is so fascinating because it’s about Fred Rogers yet isn’t a hagiography! How lovely! And the other is: Hey, this is Fred Rogers! I don’t want moral complexity; I want the saint that I have ensconced in a golden halo in my childhood memories. Do you encounter that a lot?

    It doesn’t take a great leap to see Rogers as a saint. He was so patient and compassionate and accepting. But Rogers himself was aware that all of us are morally complex, a beautiful combination of saint and sinner. So writing a hagiography would have been a disservice to Rogers’s own acceptance of moral complexity. It also would have been contrary to his fierce commitment to truth-telling in constructive and positive ways.

    I understand that some readers will no doubt be troubled by some of the things they learn about Rogers. But if they could keep their own moral complexity in mind, perhaps that will make it easier on them. With that noted, though, I must say that in spite of his own shortcomings Rogers still seems to me to be far more saint than sinner—a compelling model for all of us who lack compassion at points and who fail to accept others just as they are.

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    The only reason you would have to fear gluten is if you have celiac disease.

    Gluten is most likely harmless for everyone else.

    Link: https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/non-celiac-gluten-sensitivity/

    About a third of Americans report that they are trying to reduce or avoid gluten in their diet. If Jimmy Kimmel’s funny stunt is any indication, most probably don’t know what gluten even is. The gluten-free diet has officially become a fad, and “gluten” has been tagged as something vaguely bad that should be avoided.

    About 1% of people have a disease called Celiac, which is an autoimmune reaction to gluten. This is a serious disease that can make people very ill if they consume even the smallest amount of gluten. A diagnosis of Celiac can be confirmed with an antibody test (anti-gliadin antibodies), or, if necessary, a stomach biopsy.

    Gluten is a composite protein composed of two parts, gliadin and glutenin. It is found in wheat, rye, barley, spelt, and related grains. It is a springy protein that gives bread its elasticity. Celiac disease is an immune reaction to the gliadin part of the protein.

    Celiac is fairly well understood and is non-controversial. What is controversial is a disorder known as non-celiac gluten sensitivity (NCGS) – believed to be an intolerance to gluten that causes gastrointestinal symptoms. NCGS is controversial, and in fact may not truly exist at all.

    NCGS should be considered a hypothesis, not a confirmed entity, but this has not stopped self-diagnosis and treatment from becoming popular.

    It is sometimes tricky to confirm whether or not a new possible diagnosis truly exists, or if it is just a misdiagnosis of other diseases and disorders. Diseases are usually first recognized by their clinical syndrome, and then later investigation uncovers the cause or pathophysiology of the disease. Often at this stage, when we discover what is happening biologically, diseases are reclassified, and diagnoses are sometimes combined, and other times split apart.

    There are some diagnoses, however, that live on the fringe, never gaining scientific support. Throughout history, it seems, there have always been faddish diagnoses used as popular labels for common symptoms. At the turn of the 19th century “neurasthenia” was a common label for vague or common symptoms. In the mid 20th century syphilis (although a real disease) was often used as a convenient diagnosis for any unexplained symptoms.

    More recently we have chronic Lyme, candida hypersensitivity, multiple chemical sensitivity, electromagnetic sensitivity, and a host of other vague syndromes.

    Electromagnetic sensitivity is similar to NCGS in that both are believed to be a sensitivity with symptoms resulting from a specific exposure. In both cases, therefore, we can address the core question (does the sensitivity exist) by studying blinded exposures. In the case of electromagnetic sensitivity, when properly blinded those who believe they have this condition cannot detect exposure.

    What about NCGS? It has not been established that NCGS exists, or that people who believe they have this condition actually are responding physiologically to gluten. There are two possibilities that need to be carefully considered. The first is that perceived gluten sensitivity is an observational artifact, a type of nocebo effect. GI symptoms are notoriously sensitive to mood and expectation. There are also generic biases such as confirmation bias that can lead to the perception of false associations.

    It is still not clear, in other words, that there is an actual association between consuming gluten and GI symptoms. Individuals may firmly believe that they have such an association, but we know from countless historical examples and experiments that such firm beliefs can form in the absence of a true association.

    The second possibility that needs to be seriously considered is that in some people who are self-diagnosed with NCGS, they are reacting to something else that is common in gluten-containing foods. If this is the case, then gluten is an innocent bystander. This would be very important to discover, for obvious practical reasons.

    A recent study suggests that this might be the case. Biesiekierski et. al. did a well controlled series of studies in which they challenged subjects with possible NCGS with carefully controlled diets with various amounts of gluten. They found no association between gluten consumption and reported symptoms, arguing very strongly against NCGS as a real entity.

    Their study did, however, suggest another possible culprit – FODMAPs (fermentable, oligo-, di-, monosaccharides, and polyols). These are also common in breads and other foods containing gluten. In the study subjects, GI symptoms improved when FODMAPs and gluten were removed, but then reintroducing gluten had no association with return of symptoms. The authors conclude:

    In a placebo-controlled, cross-over rechallenge study, we found no evidence of specific or dose-dependent effects of gluten in patients with NCGS placed diets low in FODMAPs.

    They were not, however, testing whether or not FODMAPs were a cause of GI symptoms, and so cannot conclude if this is the true cause. A follow up study would need to be done to verify that (perhaps we’ll see a FODMAP-free fad before this science can be done). If true it would explain why some people do have reduction in GI symptoms when they avoid gluten, because they are also avoiding FODMAPs.

    Conclusion

    The best evidence we currently have suggests that NCGS is probably not a real entity. Blinded challenges do not show any correlation, and there is currently no evidence for a specific mechanism. Those who are self-diagnosed with NCGS probably fall into one of three categories:

    1- Borderline true Celiac disease (a small minority that can be sorted out with diagnostic tests)

    2- GI symptoms due to non-dietary reasons with a false association with gluten due to confirmation bias and nocebo effects

    3 – GI symptoms due to some other food exposure. FODMAPs are one possibility, but more research needs to be done.

    The real risk of the gluten-free fad is that it distracts from what is really going on. Popular diagnoses (whether real or not) do tend to attract self-diagnosis, and become an impediment to a more proper diagnosis. There is a tendency to prematurely settle on the popular diagnosis, and then fail to consider all possibilities.

    In the case of NCGS, there may be something else in food to which some people are sensitive. Or, diet may not be the answer at all.

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    The ‘cruel joke’ of compassionate use and right to try: Pharma companies don’t have to comply…

    The ‘cruel joke’ of compassionate use and right to try: Pharma companies don’t have to comply

    From my days in medical school, I vaguely remember learning about lysosomal storage disorders. They occupied at most part of a lecture or two in my second-year pathophysiology course. I memorized a few details about these rare diseases in preparation for my board exam, and then never gave them another thought. These diseases were treated by pediatric specialists and wouldn’t be part of my life as a cardiologist.

    That changed a few weeks ago when my 28-month-old daughter, Radha, was diagnosed with a lysosomal storage disorder. Now I know far more about these diseases than I did in medical school. I’ve also learned a frustrating fact that no medical school teaches its students: While the FDA has a compassionate use program to allow people access to experimental drugs, it can’t compel a company to provide those drugs. The newly signed “right-to-try” law doesn’t either.

    Radha’s birth went perfectly. She was a healthy baby and met all of her developmental milestones — until it came to walking. My wife, Sonal, a pediatric gastroenterologist, recognized this and we had Radha evaluated by several specialists. None thought anything was physically wrong and indicated that she would learn to walk with the help of some physical therapy sessions.

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    They initially helped. Then Radha’s progress slowed. Just after her second birthday, additional testing, including an MRI of her brain and spine followed by a genetic analysis, revealed that our daughter had metachromatic leukodystrophy.

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    This lysosomal storage disorder is an autosomal recessive genetic disease that interferes with the body’s production of a single enzyme, arylsulfatase A. Not enough arylsulfatase A causes a buildup of fats called sulfatides inside cells. In cells that make myelin, the substance that insulates and protects nerves, an abundance of sulfatides destroys tissue throughout the brain, spinal cord, and other parts of the nervous system.

    Children with the most severe form of metachromatic leukodystrophy develop symptoms like trouble walking or poor muscle tone before the age of 30 months. Once symptoms appear, the prognosis is grim. Radha’s health will decline rapidly over the next three to six months. She will soon lose her ability to move, speak, see, and eat, and will be prone to seizures. The disease will then plateau for several years, leaving her in a vegetative state and unable to communicate. Our only hope is that she’ll always understand us when we tell her we love her, but we may never know. Most children with metachromatic leukodystrophy don’t survive beyond their 8th birthday.

    Because we live in an era of rapid genomic innovation, gene-editing technologies such as CRISPR, proteomics, and rational drug design, I assumed that a disease caused by a single-enzyme deficiency was treatable. In my search for ways to help my daughter, I came across enzyme replacement therapies being developed for a number of conditions, including metachromatic leukodystrophy.

    Shire Pharmaceuticals has developed a therapy for the disease and has even found a way to deliver it across the blood-brain barrier, which is no mean feat. The company has even completed a multicenter Phase 1/2 trial of the drug, called SHP-611 (also known as HGT-1110) in Europe, with what appear to be promising results. There was enough of a signal of therapeutic benefit from this trial to move forward with another one, though it appears to be several months to a year away.

    Children with metachromatic leukodystrophy who were involved in the original trial have access to the drug as part of an extension of the trial. Radha developed the disease too late to take part in the first trial, and too soon to join the second one (if and when it happens).

    Related: ‘Right-to-try’ law intended to weaken the FDA, measure’s sponsor says in blunt remarks
    Even so, that discovery gave me hope. It meant that Radha should qualify for what the Food and Drug Administration calls its expanded access program, also known as compassionate use. It governs the use of an investigational medicine that has not been approved by the FDA outside of a clinical trial.

    Here’s how it is supposed to work. A physician caring for a patient with a terminal illness who has exhausted all other treatment options and isn’t eligible for a clinical trial appeals to the pharmaceutical company to provide an investigational drug that has undergone at least a Phase 1 trial, which studies the safety of a drug. If the pharmaceutical company agrees, the treating physician applies to the FDA for approval for expanded access to the investigational drug.

    Thanks to policy changes at the FDA, it has become easier than ever for physicians seek access to investigational drugs. The application form has been significantly simplified and now only one member of a facility’s institutional review board needs to sign off on the petition. The FDA approves more than 95 percent such requests, and does so swiftly, usually in a matter of a few days.

    Radha’s physicians followed Shire’s protocol for applying for compassionate use exactly as directed on the company’s website. Within a day or two, their request was denied, without any legitimate medical reason given.

    With my daughter’s life on the line, I shamelessly used every contact and connection I have to reach someone at Shire to ask about compassionate use of SHP-611. When that effort yielded no responses, I called and emailed the current and former FDA commissioners, the head of the pharmaceutical trade association, PhRMA, the former CMO of a major pharmaceutical company, and even the dean of the medical school I attended. Most were cordial, even supportive.

    Sonal and I even started a Change.org petition to help us nudge Shire to give Radha and her doctors compassionate access to SHP-611.

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    All of our efforts to get answers from Shire have been repeatedly rebuffed with vague, unsatisfying responses, leaving me to wonder why the company is denying my daughter’s only hope. In fact, Shire has refused to correspond with me directly, and has instructed me to direct questions to it via my daughter’s treating physicians.

    Large pharmaceutical companies are notoriously risk averse when it comes to expanding access to medications that are still in the testing phase. Many refuse to grant access to investigational drugs outside of clinical trials, and efforts to lobby them to release the medication as part of compassionate use are often rebuffed.

    One fear they have is that an adverse event, like an injury or death — even if it is not directly due to the medication — will derail a company’s ability to push a drug forward for FDA approval, something they argue would ultimately undermine efforts to develop drugs that can help other families.

    In response to this fear, FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb unveiled an updated policy on reporting adverse events that occur during compassionate use. It now requires reporting “only if there is evidence to suggest a causal relationship between the drug and the adverse event.”

    Pharmaceutical companies also worry that if an experimental medication is given to one patient through compassionate use, it must be given to all patients who request it. In the case of rare diseases like metachromatic leukodystrophy — in the U.S., only about 60 children develop the late infantile form of the disease each year — this could mean that a company would have trouble enrolling enough patients when it eventually opens a clinical trial.

    That’s a valid concern when access to the therapy is not time-sensitive. But in disorders such as the late infantile form of metachromatic leukodystrophy, the disease progresses so fast and irreversibly that patients who are denied access to the medication today will soon be so debilitated that they would not derive any benefit from it if and when it became available via a clinical trial, and so would not be able to enroll in the trial anyway.

    Related: Right-to-try bill headed for vote puts bigger burden on FDA to protect patients, Gottlieb says
    The push for a federal right-to-try process culminated this week with President Trump signing a new law in a ceremony surrounded by patients with life-threatening illnesses and their families. In theory, this law will let patients and physicians bypass the FDA and go directly to pharmaceutical companies for access to investigational therapies that have undergone early testing. But it doesn’t require pharmaceutical companies to accede to these requests.

    This new law requires drug companies to report clinical outcomes and adverse events, though it reduces their implications by stating that the FDA should not use this information to delay or adversely affect the approval of investigational drugs. As a physician, I believe that removing federal safeguards for experimental drugs is dangerous, and I believe that adverse events should be reported to the FDA as a way to prevent them from happening to other patients. As a parent desperate to help his daughter in any way I can, though, I hope this bill will allay Shire’s fears and encourage it to give SHP-611 to Radha.

    I have never been one to malign pharmaceutical companies because I believe they are our best source of new and improved treatments. Yet Radha’s situation has made me cynical of a system in which pharmaceutical companies cater to investors and the physicians who prescribe their products rather than to the consumers of their therapies. I wish I could say that Shire is an outlier, but a quick internet search shows many similar situations where other pharmaceutical companies have denied compassionate use requests for what amount to business decisions.

    Shire’s therapy represents the only reasonable hope for Radha and our family. If the company continues to refuse access to SHP-611 outside of a clinical trial, then why not open a new one? Its previous trial ended 15 months ago and yet there is still no sign of the follow-up trial that Shire claims it is working hard to start as soon as possible.

    Much of what we do in medicine is based on analyses of benefits and risks. Shire has produced a drug that in early testing demonstrated safety with enough benefit to push forward follow-up trials. In Radha’s case, the potential benefits of SHP-611 clearly outweigh the risks, but only if we get the drug to her soon, before her condition deteriorates further.

    Compassionate use and right-to-try are billed as ways to give hope to patients who have exhausted all other options. From Radha’s perspective, they are nothing more than a cruel joke, dangling a potential lifesaving therapy just out of her reach.

    Vibhav Rangarajan, M.D., is a fellow in advanced cardiovascular imaging at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine.

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    I am actually taking a couple of months off this summer because I’m fairly burned-out on the opioid situation.

    They say W.V. is ground zero of the opioid crisis.

    I read a report about Seattle that said that opioids can be found in mussels in the bay, due simply to flushing traces that were in waste products.

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    “Pain Killer” Author Barry Meier on How West Virginia Became Ground Zero of Opioid Epidemic

    https://www.democracynow.org/2018/6/1/pain_killer_author_barry_meier_on

    West Virginia had the highest rate of opioid-related deaths in the U.S. in 2016, making the state ground zero for a national opioid epidemic that has killed more than 200,000 people in the past two decades. A record number of people in West Virginia died from overdosing on drugs in 2017. Between 2007 and 2012, the three biggest wholesalers of prescription drugs in the U.S. shipped some 780 million pain pills containing oxycodone or hydrocodone to the state of West Virginia alone—433 pills for every man, woman and child in the state. That’s according to Barry Meier, author of “Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic,” published this week in an updated and expanded edition. We speak with Barry Meier, the first journalist to shed a national spotlight on the abuse of OxyContin.

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    AMY GOODMAN: So, let’s talk about ground zero, West Virginia. What was happening in some of these towns, in some of these small, independent drugstores—

    BARRY MEIER: Right.

    AMY GOODMAN: —that were bringing in how much of this drug?

    BARRY MEIER: They were bringing in huge amounts of this drug, I mean, tens and tens of millions of pills, annually, of this drug.

    AMY GOODMAN: How did it start in West Virginia?

    BARRY MEIER: I mean, OxyContin was being distributed to West Virginia, to Virginia and other states. Drugstores were prescribing it. But, you know, you had doctors there that were essentially running what are called pill mills. People would come in to the doctor and say, “Doctor, I hurt, I have pain.” “OK, fine, let me just write you a prescription. Oh, and, you know, OxyContin works really well for me, for my pain.” So, you had these doctors who were writing prescriptions for drugs at the request of the patient, which is, you know, a rare situation. And so then these patients, who are often drug abusers, would go to the pharmacy and get the prescriptions filled. Sometimes I—and, you know, in my travels on this story, I would go to small towns where the doctor had a pharmacy in his office. So he would write the prescription, you’d go next door to a pharmacy that he owned, and they would dispense the drug. So, you know, millions of these pills were being dispensed. They were ending up on the street. And these horror shows of crime and abuse and separated families and everything else would follow.

    AMY GOODMAN: I’m looking at a piece, that you refer to in your piece. This is in the West Virginia Gazette-Mail. And it says, “In Southern West Virginia, many of the pharmacies that received the largest shipments of prescription opioids were small, independent drugstores like ones in Raleigh and Wyoming counties that ordered 600,000 to 1.1 million oxycodone pills a year. Or they were locally owned pharmacies in Mingo and Logan [counties], where wholesalers distributed 1.4 million to 4.7 million hydrocodone pills annually. By contrast, the Wal-Mart at Charleston’s Southridge Centre, one of the retail giant’s busiest stores in West Virginia, [was shipped] about 5,000 oxycodone and 9,500 hydrocodone pills each year.”

    BARRY MEIER: Yeah. I mean, it’s startling. I think what—you know, one of the things that happened when the Justice Department did not crack down, really, on Purdue Pharma is it sent a signal that, “Drug companies, drug distributors, you can ship these drugs in whatever quantity you want, to wherever you want, and the worst that you’re going to face is a fine.” So they viewed it as a cost of doing business. There was never going to be any accountability for the corporate executives. It wasn’t going to be like the dealer or the drug addict who was going to end up in prison. All the corporate executives were going to have to pay was a small fine. And that was going to be a fraction of the profits that they were going to make by shipping huge quantities of the drugs to places like West Virginia.

    AMY GOODMAN: We’re going to continue this conversation with Barry Meier, author of Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic, after this break. I want to ask you about Art Van [Zee], a doctor in Virginia. Stay with us.

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    New York Mayor Bill de Blasio announced earlier this year that the city would sue manufacturers and distributors of prescription opioids to account for their part in the city’s ongoing deadly opioid epidemic. Firms named in the suit include Purdue Pharma, Johnson & Johnson and McKesson Corporation. The Guardian reports that more than 60 cities are suing Big Pharma over opioids. An explosive New York Times report has revealed that manufacturers of the drug OxyContin knew it was highly addictive as early as 1996, the first year after the drug hit the market. The Times published a confidential Justice Department report this week showing that Purdue Pharma executives were told OxyContin was being crushed and snorted for its powerful narcotic, but still promoted it as less addictive than other opioid painkillers. Purdue executives have testified before Congress that they were unaware of the drug’s growing abuse until years after it was on the market. Today, drug overdoses are the leading cause of death for Americans under age 50. We speak with Barry Meier, author of “Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic.”

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    AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now! I’m Amy Goodman. Our guest is Barry Meier, author of Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic. Tell us the story of Dr. Art Van Zee.

    BARRY MEIER: You know, Art Van Zee is kind of the hero of my book. He’s a man I met him when I was reporting for the Times back in the early 2000s. He’s a small-town doctor. He lives in a town called Pennington Gap in very western Virginia, near the Kentucky border. And I met him. He was a—he’s a gracious, lovely person. He reminded me of kind of a Doctors Without Borders, but here in the U.S., you know, working in Appalachia, in an area that desperately needed medical care.

    He realized that his town was being overrun by OxyContin abuse. He saw kids being addicted to it, went to the hospital on emergency visits. And he decided, eventually, that he had to do something. He couldn’t stand quiet and let this unfold. And he tried to lead a small-town campaign to get the FDA to pull this drug off the market, or at least to crack down on this drug. And Pain Killer kind of follows his saga and the saga of other people in the town, a wonderful nun there by the name of Sister Beth, who sort of try to take on this huge, powerful drug company and hold it to account.

    AMY GOODMAN: And so, what happened to Dr. Art Van Zee?

    BARRY MEIER: You know, Art Van Zee, like Laura Nagel, eventually got shouted down, got ignored. I mean, there was this rather pivotal Senate hearing, where he comes and he pleads with these senators to do something about this drug. And Chris Dodd, the Democratic senator from Connecticut at the time, starts raking him over the coals and sounds like he’s, you know, badgering him with talking points that had been given to him by Purdue Pharma. And lo and behold, when I started looking at campaign finance records and other documents, it turned out that Chris Dodd had met with Purdue Pharma prior to this hearing, and Purdue—and Chris Dodd had gotten a $10,000 contribution from Purdue Pharma shortly afterward. So, Purdue Pharma, you know, was spreading money around and going after its critics and co-opting them throughout this entire period. I mean, the U.S. attorney in Maine, who first sounded a public alarm about this—

    AMY GOODMAN: First one in the country.

    BARRY MEIER: In the country, in 2001. He went immediately onto the payroll of Purdue Pharma and became one of its biggest defenders. In fact, I found documents that suggested that he was discussing a job with them even before he left public office. He swore up and down that that wasn’t the case. But, in fact, there are emails, Purdue Pharma’s own emails, suggesting that he had reached out to them to discuss job opportunities.

    AMY GOODMAN: Explain the nature of the settlement in 2007. Can the company—can individuals in the company be held criminally responsible today, what, 200,000 deaths later, in the last 20 years, though they would argue, “That’s not all us”?

    BARRY MEIER: Right. So, the settlement was twofold. The company, Purdue Pharma, as a company, pled guilty to a felony charge called misbranding, which was essentially misrepresenting the drug, and paid $600 million in fines. The three executives, top executives, of the company pled guilty to a misdemeanor version of that charge. It was a sort of weird charge, because it only held him liable in their roles as corporate executives. It did not accuse them personally of any wrongdoing. They paid around—about $34 million in fines. But what we came to discover, and what was in the Times in the other day and in the expanded version of the book, is that the prosecutors on the case wanted to charge them also with very serious felonies, that could have put them in jail, had that case gone forward.

    AMY GOODMAN: And talking about holding people responsible, you write about how those that do drugs together, a husband, could be found guilty of murdering his wife, etc. Talk about that.

    BARRY MEIER: Well, you know, we have a different standard of justice in this country. One standard is for the person who gets caught with, you know, some drugs in their pocket. Another standard is for the person who’s caught selling drugs. And another standard is for the executives of corporations that allow these drugs to get into the wrong hands of people, or knowingly are aware that these drugs are being abused, and don’t say anything. And, you know, there seems to be very little punishment that those kinds of individuals face.

    AMY GOODMAN: But what do people face on the ground, who are doing drugs?

    BARRY MEIER: They face their—they face spending the rest of their life in prison.

    AMY GOODMAN: Explain.

    BARRY MEIER: You know, they can be sent away for 10 years, for 20 years. They can have their lives destroyed, whereas the corporate executives don’t see their bonuses going down. They don’t see their lives being ruined. They just go on with their lives.

    AMY GOODMAN: Earlier this year, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio announced that New York would sue manufacturers and distributors of prescription opioids to account for their part in the city’s ongoing deadly opioid epidemic. Firms named in the suit include Purdue Pharma, Johnson & Johnson and McKesson Corporation.

    MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO: This is a man-made crisis if ever there was one, fueled by corporate greed, fueled by the actions of big pharmaceutical companies that hooked millions of Americans on opioids to begin with. And some of them still are addicted to prescription drugs, and others have migrated to heroin. But we know where it began for so many people. And, bluntly, it was so a very few people could profit, and, obviously, the horrible actions of criminals who sell drugs and profit in death, as well. That combination has led to where we are today. We need to remember that those origins at the root of this problem means it’s a problem that can be defeated. We can fight back against the big pharmaceutical companies. We can fight back against the criminals who peddle drugs. We can change in so many ways, including changing the entire culture around this issue, so we can help people.
    AMY GOODMAN: So that’s New York Mayor Bill de Blasio. More than 60 U.S. cities in over a dozen states are now suing Big Pharma over opioids. What does this mean?

    BARRY MEIER: Well, this could have happened a long time ago, Amy. You know, what’s startling to me is, as someone who’s watched this over almost two decades, is the issue of, you know, why did we wait this long to do this. We could have done this in 2003, in 2007, in 2010, in 2012. We have allowed this to morph into this horrible situation. It’s a good thing that it’s happening now. And I really do hope that these cities and states carry through and get to the truth, and not walk away with a simple settlement the way the Justice Department did in 2007. The only way that this problem is really going to be solved is if we really understand what happened, if the truth about what happened comes out. I mean, the fact that, you know, this confidential memo has now come out adds to the truth of what we know.

    AMY GOODMAN: And again, say what is the essential point in this confidential memo.

    BARRY MEIER: The essential point is that Purdue Pharma has claimed, from day one, and still claims today, that it first became aware of OxyContin’s growing abuse in 2000. This memo shows that prosecutors believe that they were aware of the drug’s abuse for years before that and concealed that information.

    AMY GOODMAN: And what about the lawsuits of New York and 60 other cities and towns? What are they trying to accomplish with these lawsuits? What’s the premise of them?

    BARRY MEIER: They’re trying to get money. They’re trying to get money to pay for some of the medical costs that they’ve had to absorb as a result of prescription drug overdoses and addictions. It’s very similar to the tobacco lawsuits, which I also covered for the Times. It’s essentially taxpayers have borne the brunt of the healthcare costs related to prescription painkillers. Purdue Pharma hasn’t paid for it. Johnson & Johnson hasn’t paid for it. These drug distributors haven’t paid for it. They’ve only profited from it. So now these states and towns are trying to recover some of the costs from the people who profited from this trade.

    AMY GOODMAN: Barry Meier, what about the American Medical Association?

    BARRY MEIER: It’s funny you should bring that up. The American Medical Association has been, over time, one of the big stumbling blocks to the solution of this problem. Back in 2001, I met a wonderful doctor, Dr. Nathaniel Katz. And he argued that doctors should be required to undergo some type of mandatory training as a condition for prescribing prescription drugs like OxyContin, like six hours of training, eight hours of training. You could do it on your home. You could do it through some sort of, you know, thing on the internet. Very simple.

    The AMA fought this tooth and nail, as recently as the Obama administration. The White House Office of Drug Policy wanted to propose a law to make this happen. AMA lobbyists came to officials of the White House and to the—you know, to the Obama administration, and said, “If you do this, we will fight you tooth and nail. We will not allow this to happen. This is too much of a burden for our members. They don’t have six hours or eight hours to spend looking at information on how to prescribe these drugs more safely.” So, I think they have a lot on their shoulders here. You know, they basically blocked taking a very simple step, that would have been—would have provided tremendous good for patients and for doctors.

    AMY GOODMAN: So, the Sacklers didn’t put their name on the drug company and are a very secretive family when it comes to that, but very public when it comes to supporting the big museums, like you said, the Met in New York and the Sackler Wing. Do you think, given that these big art institutions and universities around the country get federal funding, that they should have their name stripped from these wings?

    BARRY MEIER: Well, that’s a—you know, that’s really up to the institutions and these medical schools to decide, you know.

    AMY GOODMAN: Explain the medical school connection.

    BARRY MEIER: Well, you know, they fund a lot of medical schools. They fund a lot of educational programs at medical schools. You know, there’s been a lot—you know, there was a wonderful piece that Christopher Glazek did in Esquire and Patrick Keefe did in The New Yorker about the Sacklers. And, you know, I wrote about them extensively in Pain Killer. They’ve now become the face of this problem. And so, you know, museums and—

    AMY GOODMAN: Maybe name the wings after the victims of their drugs.

    BARRY MEIER: Well, either that or have information about their donors.

    AMY GOODMAN: So, next week begins the big push. The White House, in conjunction with the Ad Council, will be debuting public service messages that “should shock the conscience,” they say. What do you think needs to be done?

    BARRY MEIER: Well, I think that we have a two-headed beast that we’re dealing with. One thing that is being done—and, unfortunately, it’s come about a decade too late, but it’s being done now—is a reassessment of the use of drugs like OxyContin in the treatment of medical conditions. As I said, it’s a valuable drug, but there are many other ways to treat pain and treat common types of pain that are just as effective as the use of pain pills. And employers and unions need to make sure that their members and employees are getting the best possible pain treatment, not pills, which are profitable for drug companies and cheap for insurers. So that’s one side of the problem.

    AMY GOODMAN: We have 15 seconds.

    BARRY MEIER: The other side of the problem is the illegal side, and that’s really a law enforcement enforcement issue, you know, cracking down on companies—countries like China and Mexico, that ship the chemicals that are used to make these horrible and dangerous illegal street drugs.

    AMY GOODMAN: Well, I want to thank you for being with us, Barry Meier, author of Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic, just out this week, updated and expanded, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist formerly with The New York Times.

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    Two Weeks Into OTAs, Lawler Taking Reps with First-Team Defense

    Kristen Lago

    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Two-Weeks-Into-OTAs-Lawler-Taking-Reps-with-First-Team-Defense/2c9aac86-f610-4b64-86f3-7e7baabe57bb

    It’s not often that a seventh-round draft pick is thrust into the first-team lineup just one month into the offseason program. But such is the case for the Rams’ final draft pick, Justin Lawler, who is up for a tough challenge during the team’s OTAs.

    “It’s been going good. I’m picking up the defense slowly,” he said this week. “As you can see we’ve had some injuries, so I’m going and kinda thrown in with the ones.”

    The injuries Lawler referred to include Morgan Fox and Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, who suffered a season-ending knee

    injury and a foot injury that required surgery, respectively. Both injuries occurred in the offseason program.

    With both out for the remainder of the offseason, Lawler has been asked to step up in their place — something that may have surprised the rookie at first, but was not entirely unexpected.

    “I knew they were thin [and] that’s why they drafted three of us,” Lawler said. “You never wish that upon anybody, but that’s football. It’s next man up. I get hurt, hopefully not, but the next man’s gotta play. That’s football and that’s the business we’re in.”

    Through six OTAs, Lawler has been taking reps with the ones as the club’s strongside linebacker. While at SMU, he played the majority of his time on the weak side, representing yet another transition for the young player.

    But with the help of linebacker’s coach Joe Barry, Lawler is hopeful that he will be able to not only learn the terminology and scheme, but also to improve his technique at a new position.

    “I have to drop a lot more. So, the route combos, the motions, just the communication overall, that’s been the toughest to pick up,” he said. “I’ve got to get better as a pass rusher. Joe B always says that we’re paid to rush their quarterback and that’s something that I’ve gotta refine.”

    Fortunately, Lawler says he has found a mentor in second-year outside linebacker Samson Ebukam — who has experience on the strong side from his first season with the franchise in 2017.

    “He’s helped me out a lot — just in the huddle. Since I’m going and I’m already in the huddle with him, he kinda just says ‘hey, remember this’ or gives me little tips,” Lawler said. “So, he’s been a huge help, just kinda having someone in my pocket to go to on the field.”

    And while it may seem daunting to be competing with and against some of the club’s top players, Lawler believes he is up for the challenge. The outside linebacker said he is happy to be “thrown into the fire” early on, recognizing that it will only help him down the line.

    “That’s the good thing is I’m seeing it now. I’m making mistakes, but I’m trying not to make the same one twice and so it’s good to see it,” Lawler said. “I’m asking them to be patient with me as I pick up the defense, but it’s going well. I’m just getting better everyday, that’s my goal.”

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    Billy: As far as patients losing their doctors I’m not arguing their fears are well founded. I’m just saying they have such fears.

    “Science tells us we’re born with an innate sense of fairness and a desire to share, as studies of small children show again and again.”

    I think that misses my point Billy. Lets even assume that those studies are valid the problem comes when the so called “innate sense of fairness” becomes “unlearned”. Simply put its up to the parent to protect that “innate” sense of fairness and not destroy it. You and I probably know well meaning parents who object to soccer “participating trophies” for young children. The message repeated over and over becomes “its all about you not others”. Its the “show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser” mentality. Take and take because it belongs to you not others. I think in today’s society children as they grow lose sight of the “others”. I guess my point was not so much how one is born but how one learns or “unlearns” as they grow up-which has nothing to do with the form of government or the left or the right. The small puppy you take home is cuddly, sweet, nice and totally loves you and is dependent on you. But you put that sweet puppy in a cage and beat the shit out of the animal day after day after day. On day you reach in to the cage to feed it and he will bite you. Maybe that’s closer to my point.

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    “So why do so many folks think this disgusting health-care system is just fine and dandy?”

    I don’t know. Sometimes I think we look at everything from a political view when stuff can be fairly simple. IMO “so many folks” have their own physician that they favor for a variety of reasons. So the mention of single payer or universal care causes anxiety over the prospect of losing that personal relationship with their doc. I don’t think it has much to do with the bad guys propagandizing the good guys as much as we want it to.

    As far as being selfish I again don’t think the bad guys have caused this. We are born selfish. The baby cries cause he or she wants something. Gimme gimme gimme-until they get it. As the baby gets older the movies, television, etc tells the individual its OK to “gather” stuff and it becomes a matter of entitlement and “what’s in it for me”. The key to having a more compassionate society is to “learn” how to be unselfish. The only way I know how that can be done is through parenting. And good luck with that. But the first thing that needs to be done is to stop blaming big government and the politics for all that ails us. That’s simply an easy answer. The difficult one is how to teach a parent who has been raised with a sense of entitlement to reverse that in their children. And that’s difficult because to do that one has to lead by example. But that’s hard as most of us would rather sit back and say its the smelly leftists or the reactionary right wing or capitalism or corporations or this or that -when the real answer is within themselves. Any change in the form of government or its leaders won’t matter a lick if the “people” have no sense of empathy toward those of less fortune.

    Now enough of my soap box theories.

    Waterfield,

    A Single Payer system won’t take doctors away from patients. Quite the opposite. It will ensure they can continue to see them, while private insurance company after private insurance company says no to their claims.

    And, no, we’re not born “selfish.” Science tells us we’re born with an innate sense of fairness and a desire to share, as studies of small children show again and again. Kids will loudly insist that toys and food are shared equally, and they actually have been observed getting angry when this is not the case.

    This is later beaten out of us via propaganda from above that it’s a dog eat dog world and that we must compete to survive. But that’s just cover for the tiny percentage of humanity that truly is “born selfish” and acts on that. And let’s not forget, locked as we are in a Eurocentric, capitalist mindset, that for our first 300,000 years on this planet, we lived communally, cooperatively, shared pretty much everything. This lasted in some parts of the world well into the 20th century too.

    Btw, babies are born helpless and with the instinct for survival. Of course they’re gonna call for attention and nourishment. Selfishness? No. That’s just the will to survive and the almost instantaneous realization of helplessness and dependency. “Gimme gimme gimme” means “I want to live!”

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    Origins of the Opioid Epidemic: Purdue Pharma Knew of OxyContin Abuse in 1996 But Covered It Up

    https://www.democracynow.org/2018/6/1/origins_of_the_opioid_epidemic_purdue

    An explosive New York Times report has revealed that manufacturers of the drug OxyContin knew it was highly addictive as early as 1996, the first year after the drug hit the market. The Times published a confidential Justice Department report this week showing that Purdue Pharma executives were told OxyContin was being crushed and snorted for its powerful narcotic, but still promoted it as less addictive than other opioid painkillers. This report is especially damning because Purdue executives have testified before Congress that they were unaware of the drug’s growing abuse until years after it was on the market. Today, drug overdoses are the leading cause of death for Americans under age 50. While President Trump claimed Tuesday that numbers relating to opioid addiction are “way down,” the latest statistics show there was an increase of opioid-related deaths and overdoses during Trump’s first year in office. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, drug overdose deaths involving opioids rose to about 46,000 for the 12-month period that ended October 2017, up about 15 percent from October 2016. The epidemic has been so widespread that life expectancy is falling in the United States for the first time in 50 years. We speak with Barry Meier, the reporter who broke this story for the Times, headlined “Origins of an Epidemic: Purdue Pharma Knew Its Opioids Were Widely Abused.” Meier was a reporter at The New York Times for nearly three decades and was the first journalist to shed a national spotlight on the abuse of OxyContin. His book “Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic” was published this week in an updated and expanded edition.

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    AMY GOODMAN: Today we spend the hour looking at the ongoing opioid epidemic and how it spread across the United States. Drug overdoses are now the leading cause of death for Americans under the age of 50. But during a speech on Tuesday, President Trump claimed “the numbers are way down.” He spoke in Nashville, Tennessee.

    PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We got $6 billion for opioid and getting rid of that scourge that’s taking over our country. And the numbers are way down. We’re getting the word out. Bad, bad stuff. You go to the hospital. You have a broken arm. You come out. You’re a drug addict with this crap. It’s way down. We’re doing a good job with it. But we got $6 billion to help us with opioid.
    AMY GOODMAN: In fact, the latest statistics show there was an increase of opioid-related deaths and overdoses during Trump’s first year in office. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, drug overdose deaths involving opioids rose to about 46,000 for the 12-month period that ended October 2017, up about 15 percent from October 2016. The epidemic has been so widespread that life expectancy is falling in the United States for the first time in 50 years.

    Meanwhile, the White House says it’s about to launch a series of public service announcements next week on opioid dangers, aimed at young people. The ads were developed with Kellyanne Conway, Trump’s point person on opioids.

    This comes as The New York Times published a confidential Justice Department report this week that found manufacturers of the drug OxyContin had access to information showing it was addictive as early as 1996, the first year after the drug hit the market. Purdue Pharma executives were told OxyContin was being crushed and snorted for its powerful narcotic, but still promoted it as less addictive than other opioid painkillers. This report is especially damning because Purdue executives have testified before Congress that they were unaware of the drug’s growing abuse until years after it was on the market.

    Well, for more, we’re joined by Barry Meier, the reporter who broke this story for The New York Times, which is headlined “Origins of an Epidemic: Purdue Pharma Knew Its Opioids Were Widely Abused.” Barry Meier was a reporter at The New York Times for nearly 30 years, the first journalist to shed a national spotlight on the abuse of OxyContin. His book Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic was published this week in an updated and expanded edition. He’s won the Pulitzer Prize and two George Polk Awards for his past reporting on the intersection of business, medicine and public health.

    Barry Meier, welcome to Democracy Now!

    BARRY MEIER: Thank you, Amy. A pleasure.

    AMY GOODMAN: It’s great to have you with us. Well, talk about this latest Justice document that you just got a hold of.

    BARRY MEIER: Right. So, the basic outlines are this. As you noted, Purdue Pharma has claimed that it first became aware of OxyContin’s growing abuse in early 2000. That was about four years after its introduction. In fact, what this document showed is that the company had extensive information about OxyContin’s abuse in 1997, 1998, 1999.

    AMY GOODMAN: Twenty years ago.

    BARRY MEIER: Yes, and concealed that information, didn’t tell the FDA, didn’t tell doctors, didn’t tell patients. And this was a very damning report. I mean, the crimes were so significant that the prosecutors, who spent four years investigating the company, recommended that three top executives of Purdue Pharma be indicted on a—for a series of felony crimes, like conspiracy to defraud the United States, false statements and things of that nature. Unfortunately, their efforts were blocked by top administration officials within the Justice Department.

    AMY GOODMAN: So, explain what actually took place.

    BARRY MEIER: What took place is the following. Purdue Pharma was given permission to market OxyContin as less prone to abuse and addiction than competing narcotics. I mean, this sort of was like a gift—

    AMY GOODMAN: Like drugs like Vicodin and others.

    BARRY MEIER: Yes, exactly. It was a gift from the FDA. They took that gift, and they ran with it. They told doctors not only that it might be less prone to abuse and addiction, but that it would be less prone to abuse and addiction. In 2007, they admitted, basically, lying to doctors, lying to patients, by misrepresenting what they had been allowed to say.

    What we didn’t know was that during the course of the investigation that led to that confession, the federal government had also uncovered information to show that not only had they mismarketed the drug, they were aware, almost from the beginning, that people were abusing OxyContin, significantly abusing OxyContin, and they concealed that information. Had they sent a warning about that to the public, OxyContin would have never become a billion-dollar drug, and thousands of peoples of lives—thousands of lives wouldn’t have been affected by it.

    AMY GOODMAN: We’re going to talk about the origins of OxyContin, the Sackler family. We’re going to talk about how this drug company grew. But right now, your book came out like over 15 years ago, Pain Killer.

    BARRY MEIER: Right.

    AMY GOODMAN: That’s before the company was indicted and the corporate officials were indicted. Talk about Rudolph Giuliani—now once again in the headlines because he is Trump’s attorney—his role in the rise of OxyContin, in preventing a serious prosecution of this company.

    BARRY MEIER: Well, Rudolph Giuliani was hired in 2002. A lot of the reporting I did for the Times in 2001 was aimed at the overaggressive marketing of OxyContin by Purdue Pharma, as well as, you know, the growing reports, public reports, about the drug’s abuse. They then came under scrutiny by the FDA, by the DEA, and they felt that they needed a public defender—a fixer, if you will. The person they brought in to do that was Rudolph Giuliani. And so he went in, with his reputation as a former prosecutor, mayor and so forth, and began—

    AMY GOODMAN: It was right—I mean, you’re talking about right after the 2001 September 11th attacks, when he was called “America’s Mayor.”

    BARRY MEIER: Exactly. And sort of he took that reputation, and he sold it to corporations. And one of the corporations he sold it to was Purdue Pharma. And so, he became their sort of front man, if you will, their fixer, went to meet with DEA officials, with other officials, and basically spouted the company’s line. I mean, I have no idea what Rudy knew about what was in the company’s files, whether he was privy to the information that prosecutors later discovered. But he became, essentially, the person who tried to smooth things over with government officials.

    AMY GOODMAN: And was particularly powerful because he was a cancer survivor himself—

    BARRY MEIER: Absolutely.

    AMY GOODMAN: —and spoke about what it means to reduce pain.

    BARRY MEIER: Exactly. And, you know, he made a very compelling argument. I mean, this drug has valuable uses. It’s needed in certain situations. But, you know, what Purdue had done was to basically market this drug as a cure-all for all kinds of pain. And with the vast availability of the drug, it poured out onto the streets, and that led to this wave of abuse and addiction.

    AMY GOODMAN: So, who were the officials in Washington, the political appointees in the Justice Department, who intervened? And this also goes to the whole story of West Virginia and a really crusading prosecutor who took this case on.

    BARRY MEIER: Right. So, basically, there were people at the very—at the senior levels of the Criminal Division. Alice Fisher was then the head of the Criminal Division.

    AMY GOODMAN: This is under George W. Bush.

    BARRY MEIER: Correct. And Alberto Gonzales was the head—was the—

    AMY GOODMAN: Attorney general.

    BARRY MEIER: —attorney general at that time. So, essentially, what happened was, in September of 2006, this very small group of prosecutors, as you noted, in far western Virginia, forwarded a report, a confidential report, to the Justice Department recommending that serious felony indictments be brought against the executives of Purdue. That report contained extensive exhibits, emails, records, that they planned to present to a grand jury to support the call for their indictments. It was backed by the local U.S. attorney there, and man by the name of John Brownlee. And it was backed, in fact, by mid-level officials within Justice Department headquarters.

    But on October 11, 2006, two weeks before these prosecutors were scheduled to go before a grand jury and seek these indictments, there was an 11th hour meeting at the Justice Department. Purdue brought in its high-powered legal defense team, met with top Justice Department officials, like Alice Fisher. And after that meeting, there was a chill on the case. And basically, people like John Brownlee were told, “We are not going to give you the resources to support this prosecution. You’re on your own, if you want to do it.” And Brownlee had no resources. He had this small group of people who had spent four years, you know, 24 hours a day, investigating this company. They were facing a company of unlimited financial and legal firepower. And they really had no choice but to settle the case at that point.

    AMY GOODMAN: I mean, the story of West Virginia is astounding. As you write in your New York Times piece, “Starting in 2007, the year of the settlement, distributors of prescription drugs sent enough pain pills to West Virginia over a five-year period to supply every man, woman and child … with 433 of them.” This is according to a report in the Charleston Gazette-Mail. And we’re going to talk about West Virginia as ground zero and exactly what happened to these communities, with Barry Meier, author of Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic. It’s just out this week. Stay with us.

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    AMY GOODMAN: “Puppet Charm” by Two Ton Boa, here on Democracy Now! I’m Amy Goodman. Our guest for the hour is Barry Meier, the Pulitzer Prize-winning former New York Times journalist, whose book is out again. Well, it’s expanded, it’s updated. But this is particularly relevant. The book is called Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic. It came out in 2003. Fifteen years, what a difference it makes in this country. How many deaths are we talking about? I mean, you have this incredible description of the death toll, writing, “In 2016, 64,000 Americans died from drug overdoses. That number equals the population of cities such as Portland, Maine; Lynchburg, Virginia; and Santa Fe, New Mexico. It was as if, in one year, a plague had entered one of these towns and killed every single inhabitant.”

    BARRY MEIER: You know, we’re in the midst of the greatest public health disaster of the 21st century. It started out with the drug like OxyContin, and it has morphed, since then, into a kind of hydra-headed beast. On the one hand, you have the misuse and abuse of prescription drugs. And on the other hand, you have this growing death toll from counterfeit versions of drugs like fentanyl. So we’re in this very, very complicated situation. And, you know, the kind of policies that the government is now proposing may not get us out of it. I mean, we’re going to need a real extreme effort to get out of it.

    AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking about, in 20 years, 250,000 people have died.

    BARRY MEIER: That’s just from prescription painkillers alone. That’s from legal drugs. That’s from drugs that companies are allowed to produce, sell legally, and that are prescribed by doctors. And that alone is a stunning, startling figure.

    AMY GOODMAN: So, I want to go to an ad from Purdue Pharma. This is from, oh, 1998, the ad to market OxyContin. It features Dr. Alan Spanos of North Carolina.

    DR. ALAN SPANOS: There’s no question that our best, strongest pain medicines are the opioids. But these are the same drugs that have a reputation of causing addiction and other terrible things. Now, in fact, the rate of addiction amongst pain patients who are treated by doctors is much less than 1 percent. They don’t wear out. They go on working. They do not have serious medical side effects. And so, these drugs, which, I repeat, are our best, strongest pain medications, should be used much more than they are for patients in pain.
    AMY GOODMAN: So, that is an ad put out by Purdue Pharma, the maker of OxyContin. Barry Meier?

    BARRY MEIER: Well, you know, there was—in the late 1990s, there was a movement to promote—you know, treat pain much more aggressively than it had been in the past. A lot of that movement was funded by Purdue Pharma, people like Dr. Alan Spanos. And there were these tropes, if you will, that the addiction rate is less than 1 percent. It was a total lie. There was no basis for that figure. But it was repeated, repeated, repeated, and it sort of got ingrained into the medical culture. And as a result of that, doctors prescribed more and more of these drugs, you know, in good belief.

    AMY GOODMAN: The guy he was talking about?

    BARRY MEIER: Dr. Spanos. In fact, that video—they made another video, I believe, with Dr. Spanos that involved a patient. And that patient wasn’t even on OxyContin. He was on a totally ’nother drug, it came out. So, I mean, it was this massive public relations campaign, that was funded, in large part, by Purdue Pharma, to sell OxyContin.

    AMY GOODMAN: Talk about the growth of Purdue Pharma. Talk about the Sackler family, what was unusual about this company, what also makes it so difficult to investigate.

    BARRY MEIER: Well, the Sackler family is a fascinating family. As you know, their names are, you know, on every museum in the United States—here in New York at the Metropolitan, and at the National Gallery in Washington.

    AMY GOODMAN: Their names are on wings. Their names are very prominent.

    BARRY MEIER: On the elevators, on everything, you name it.

    AMY GOODMAN: But when it comes to the drug, where they make their fortune—

    BARRY MEIER: Right.

    AMY GOODMAN: —we don’t see their name.

    BARRY MEIER: Right. And not only that, the—there were three brothers, Arthur, Raymond and Mortimer. Arthur was the eldest. And he was sort of this kind of, I guess, you know, evil genius, if you will. He invented the modern-day drug advertising industry. All the ads that we see on TV today or in print are kind of the result of Arthur Sackler’s genius, or lack thereof, as you see it. And he kind of wedded together the pharmaceutical industry and the medical profession. He made doctors shills for drug companies. He created medical journals that were really kind of fake medical journals, because drug advertisers had to pay to get their studies into those medical journals. So he created all these deceptive marketing and advertising practices that are commonplace today. He died in 1986, before OxyContin was created.

    But to get his brothers into the drug industry, he bought this tiny little firm called Purdue Frederick, that was located here in New York, in Greenwich Village, as it turned out. They basically sold a lot of kind of crazy stuff. And eventually, in the mid-1990s, they decided to get into the pain medication business. They first bought a drug called MS Contin, which was a long-acting form of morphine, and they marketed it mainly to cancer specialists, where the drug was very, very valuable in dealing with cancer pain. But then, in the mid-1990s, as this drive to treat pain more aggressively began to unfold, they began to sell OxyContin, which is a long-acting form of the narcotic oxycodone. And this became the most aggressive, high-powered marketing campaign for a prescription narcotic in drug industry history. It was financed with Sackler money. The Sacklers were the principal beneficiaries of it. There were something like $31 billion worth of OxyContin sales in subsequent years. And the Sacklers became, I believe, the 14th or 15th richest family in the United States.

    AMY GOODMAN: I want to go to 1998. Purdue Pharma distributes another video, featuring seven patients who used OxyContin to deal with chronic pain. One of the patients was named Johnny Sullivan.

    JOHNNY SULLIVAN: I got my life back now. Now I can enjoy every day that I live. I can really enjoy myself. And before, even a good day was hell. I mean, I couldn’t enjoy nothing. But now I can enjoy myself. That’s when I say it’s wonderful. I look at the future the same way a young guy, 25-, 30-year-old, would.
    AMY GOODMAN: After appearing in that promotional video for Purdue Pharma, Johnny Sullivan became a severe addict to OxyContin and other opioids. In 2008, he died in a car crash when he fell asleep at the wheel. His wife said, because of his addiction, he would often nod off. Barry?

    BARRY MEIER: You know, this drug, for some patients, has been a godsend. But for many, many others, it has turned into a nightmare. We focus a lot about—on the subject of addiction, and rightly so. But not long ago, I interviewed a pain specialist, who had been sort of on the bandwagon promoting these drugs when they first came out. And he said to me, “You know, addiction is not the real problem with these drugs. It’s not the only problem with these drugs.” These drugs caused patients to emotionally opt out of life, you know, to become couch potatoes, to become withdrawn, to reject their family members and lose social contact. They had all other—they have all other kinds of troubling side effects. And so, you know, there is now a generation of patients who, effectively, are emotionally dependent upon these drugs.

    AMY GOODMAN: A spokesperson for Purdue Pharma said in a statement, in response to your article in The New York Times, his company is “involved in efforts to address opioid abuse,” and, quote, “Suggesting that activities that last occurred more than 16 years ago are responsible for today’s complex and multifaceted opioid crisis is deeply flawed.” Your response?

    BARRY MEIER: You know, I’m not a $600-an-hour lawyer. I don’t come up with, you know, statements like that. But let me put it in simple terms. Purdue Pharma violated the trust of doctors and patients. It lied to them. The Justice Department discovered reams of information, which, in their minds, showed that this company also concealed extraordinarily powerful information pointing to the abuse of these drugs, early—early on, when it was first marketed.

    AMY GOODMAN: What was the lie to the doctors?

    BARRY MEIER: The lie was that OxyContin would be less prone to abuse and addiction than competing painkillers. They admitted that they had told that lie in 2007, and paid $600 million in fines. I mean, that was a drop in the bucket where OxyContin sales were concerned. But they admitted that they had lied.

    AMY GOODMAN: You write about how Purdue sales reps used a chart to convince doctors that OxyContin was more stable than a traditional narcotic, even though the FDA had told Purdue that the information they were giving out was bogus.

    BARRY MEIER: That was just one of many lies that they used. I mean, the entire predicate of the company’s marketing campaign was based on a lie. I mean, that’s the simplest way of putting it. The Food and Drug Administration had given them permission to say, “This drug might be less prone to abuse and addiction.” They trained their sales reps to say it was less prone to abuse and addiction. Sales reps would go—and sales reps didn’t know what the reality was, but they would go to doctors and pharmacists and say, “You know, you can’t inject OxyContin. You can’t extract the oxycodone from OxyContin and inject it, because like the junkie will get a heart attack, they’ll drop over and die. This is a safe drug. This is much safer.” It was all an incredible lie. And at the same time, the company was concealing what was probably the most significant information they needed to tell doctors, which was this drug was being widely abused.

    AMY GOODMAN: Who is Laura Nagel?

    BARRY MEIER: Laura Nagel was the head—a key figure within the DEA at the time of this episode. She was in charge of the division of DEA that went after the diversion of legal drugs onto the street. It wasn’t sort of the narcs, you know, the guys who busted people for selling heroin or cocaine, but it was the diversion division which dealt with the misuse of prescription drugs.

    AMY GOODMAN: And what did she do?

    BARRY MEIER: She was a hero. She was a fighter. She saw what was going on. She realized that this company, A, was overly aggressively—you know, was promoting this drug, you know, to the nines, that people were dying from this drug. She tried to call them to account. And they essentially unleashed as much legal and lobbying firepower on her to basically try to roll her over.

    AMY GOODMAN: And what happened?

    BARRY MEIER: She basically backed off, just like everyone else in those days who came up against Purdue Pharma.

    #86915
    Avatar photozn
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    – it’s a relatively small group of people who got rich off the current healthcare system, and therefore have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo that keeps us from having single payer.

    It has nothing to do with “culture.” It has to do with the fact that combined, the pharmaceutical and insurance industries are the biggest lobbiests (in terms of amount spent) and campaign donors (in terms of amount spent) in the USA. Most of the time, you can’t run for office without their money, and they give to both parties.

    Polls.

    I restricted the search to the last year.

    The Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll shows 51 percent of Americans support single-payer, while 43 percent oppose it. http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/383015-poll-slim-majority-of-americans-support-single-payer-health-care

    The latest Harvard-Harris Poll survey found 52 percent favor a single-payer system against 48 who oppose it. http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/351928-poll-majority-supports-single-payer-healthcare

    a growing share now supports a “single payer” approach to health insurance, according to a new national survey by Pew Research Center. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/public-support-for-single-payer-health-coverage-grows-driven-by-democrats/

    The June Kaiser Health Tracking poll finds that a slim majority of the public (53 percent) now favors a single-payer health plan in which all Americans would get their insurance from a single government plan https://www.kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/data-note-modestly-strong-but-malleable-support-for-single-payer-health-care/

    A new poll found 59% of Americans support a “national Medicare-for-all plan.” http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-plan-support-2018-3

    Single-payer health care is surging with a majority of American voters — and Democrats are loving it the most, a new poll showed Wednesday. A POLITICO/Morning Consult survey said 49% of general voters support a proposal for a single-payer system, while 35% oppose it and 17% hold no opinion. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/americans-dems-support-single-payer-health-care-poll-article-1.3509035

    “Given all of the discontent with health care and desire for coverage, single-payer has more support than I have seen in the past, with the country split down the middle,” said Harvard-Harris Poll co-director Mark Penn. The poll also showed that 69 percent of respondents believe the single-payer system would “provide more coverage.” 54 percent of Republicans agree. https://www.salon.com/2017/09/22/majority-of-americans-support-single-payer-poll/

    Citing simplicity, fewer hassles with insurers and more stable coverage for patients, U.S. physicians increasingly support a single-payer healthcare system, new reports indicate. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2017/08/13/doctors-coming-around-to-single-payer-healthcare/#4cc41b824767

    The Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) poll asked: “Do you support or oppose having a national health plan—or a single-payer plan—in which all Americans would get their insurance from a single government plan?” More than half said they support it. The results align with other polls conducted within the past year. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/04/12/spreading-wildfire-majority-americans-including-74-democrats-now-support-single

    That’s enough for now. There is more though.

    ..

    #86907
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    Participant

    The problem is complicated, of course, and more than just on the insurance side . . .

    I went in for labs today and was told a request for a PET Scan had been turned down by my insurance company. This is rather important, as it was supposed to give the oncologist the best map for the remainder of my treatments. A good PET Scan could mean ending the full blast chemo and perhaps going to a maintenance regimen instead. A bad PET Scan would mean extending the full blast stuff, perhaps through July — which is taking its toll. I’ve been violently ill after the last two rounds.

    (Ironically, the PET scan could save the insurance company money.)

    But I don’t think the insurance companies are the only problem here. As long as our health care is subject to a for-profit model, anywhere in the process, there will always been massive conflicts of interest. For instance, on the delivery side — and I’ve heard doctors talk in these terms — they’re going to basically ask for as much as they can get away with. When I’ve expressed concerns about total costs, doctors have as much as said, Why worry? Insurance will pick it up.

    An insurance company can act as a check on this, saying, We’ll pay X amount, but not X+++. Or it can deny coverage altogether. Either way, there is no win/win scenario, especially for the patient.

    As I’ve mentioned before, I think we should have an all non-profit economic system, for everything, but well shy of that, we should at least carve out certain areas that can no be commodified.

    Education and health care strike me as immediately logical candidates — and I mean womb to tomb/cradle to grave, not just a certain chunk of time.

    #86906
    Avatar photozn
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    There are many reasons doctors are for single payer.

    And no country that has single payer is in the process of dismantling it in favor of a privatized system

    There’s this from that bastion of agenda-driven left-of-liberal commie pinko fanaticism, Newsweek. This is not the only article and not the only poll.

    THE BEST HEALTH CARE SYSTEM? DOCTORS BACK SINGLE-PAYER PLAN, SURVEY SHOWS

    http://www.newsweek.com/best-health-care-system-doctors-back-single-payer-plan-survey-shows-667751

    Doctors have come out overwhelmingly in support of a single-payer health care system, a new study shows.

    Forty-two percent of doctors support the type of federal insurance system currently being championed by Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, according to pollster Merrit Hawkins. Another 14 percent of physicians were “somewhat supportive,” but only 33 percent “strongly opposes” the single-payer system and six percent was somewhat against it.

    In the same study from 2008, 42 percent of doctors strongly or mildly supported single-payer—a swing of 14 percentage points. And the percentage that strongly or mildly opposed single-payer has dropped 19 percent.

    The doctors are part of an overall trend in support of the so-called “Medicare for All” approach. Overall, 33 percent of Americans now favor the single-payer system, up 5 percentage points since January and up 12 percent since 2014, a Pew Research Center study shows. Politicians are also reading the tea leaves: Senators Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) have signed onto a bill by Sanders to create a single-payer system that would make the federal government the nation’s health care insurer.

    First, it’s generational. According to both the Pew Research Center’s poll and the survey from Merrit Hawkins, support for a single-payer health insurance is much greater among younger adults and doctors than older adults. And with older doctors retiring and young doctors starting to practice, there is less resistance to single-payer.

    Doctors added that a single-payer health care system helps them focus on their actual job and spend more time caring for patients and less time navigating the existing insurance-based system, according to Merritt Hawkins.

    “Doctors are constantly seeing patients that have health problems that they can’t address because of their insurance,” said Dr. Ed Weisbart of Physicians for a National Health Program, an organization that advocates for single payer. “There are so many people without insurance, and that has improved, but the quality of [their] insurance is getting worse and worse.”

    Doctors, he added, are “fed up” with the current system.

    Weisbart said that the reason he went to medical school and became a physician was because he wanted to help people—not to spend time dealing with nonclinical administrative work. And single-payer, he says, is the best way to resolve it.

    “There really aren’t any other good strategies,” he said. “Physicians are realizing, well, good gosh, we’ve tested out every model we can think of.”

    The Merritt Hawkins survey was emailed to 70,000 physicians and received 1,033 responses. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percent.

    Avatar photonittany ram
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    “…right-to-try is nothing more than another weapon in the arsenal of right wing groups opposed on principle to government regulation…”

    Link: https://respectfulinsolence.com/2018/06/01/right-to-try-bait-switch-that-will-not-help-terminally-ill-patients/

    On Wednesday afternoon, I happened to stop at the doctors’ lounge at my hospital to have lunch. There are lots of snacks there to supplement a sandwich, as well as coffee, soda, water, to go along with it. Unfortunately, there is also a TV there as well, and even more unfortunately, it was tuned to something I didn’t want to have to watch, namely the signing ceremony for the Trickett Wendler, Frank Mongiello, Jordan McLinn, and Matthew Bellina Right to Try Act of 2017. It was quite nauseating to watch. President Donald Trump preened and made ridiculous claims for this right-to-try law like this:

    Each year, thousands of terminally ill patients suffer while waiting for new and experimental drugs to receive final FDA approval. It takes a long time, and the time is coming down. While we were streamlining and doing a lot of streamlining, the current FDA approval process can take, as Scott just said, many years — many, many years. And for countless patients, time, it’s not what they have. They don’t have an abundance of time.

    With the Right to Try law I’m signing today, patients with life-threatening illnesses will finally have access to experimental treatments that could improve or even cure their conditions. These are experimental treatments and products that have shown great promise, and we weren’t able to use them before. Now we can use them. And oftentimes they’re going to be very successful. It’s an incredible thing.

    The Right to Try also offers new hope for those who either don’t qualify for clinical trials or who have exhausted all available treatment options. There were no options, but now you have hope. You really have hope.

    As I’ve discussed many times before, the basic idea behind “right-to-try” is that the FDA is killing people (or letting people die) through its bureaucratic delays in approving drugs, lives that, if you believe right-to-try advocates, could be saved by cutting the FDA out of the decision between drug companies with experimental therapeutics and terminally ill patients who want to try them. It’s nonsense, of course. In actuality, the FDA is not unduly slow approving new drugs, in particular as compared to Europe, and, more importantly, there is an expanded access program that approves >99% of requests. True, the paperwork to access drugs through expanded access programs was once onerous, but the FDA has made great strides towards reducing that burden. Oddly enough, right-to-try advocates often mischaracterize an expanded access program in France as being a success story of right-to-try when it is not. (They also like to conflate cases of compassionate use or fast-track approval with right-to-try.) In other words, Trump’s speech is a total distortion of the true situation, as has been the case with so much that “right-to-try” proponents have said over the years that they have been promoting this law and the 40 or so state-level laws before it. As I have also discussed so many times before in the context of right-to-try going back to 2014, right-to-try provides no new right and no new access to experimental therapeutics that weren’t available before through FDA expanded/compassionate use programs. What it does do is to strip away important patient protections, leaving the most vulnerable, terminally ill patients, in essence on their own. It’s a bait and switch, the bait being the promise to help terminally ill patients, the switch being a major step in the process of dismantling the FDA.

    Right-to-try: Never meant to help patients
    I’ve been saying all along since 2014 that the goal of right-to-try laws was never to help terminally ill patients, but rather to weaken the FDA. Examined from a broader standpoint, right-to-try is nothing more than another weapon in the arsenal of right wing groups opposed on principle to government regulation, the target in this case being the FDA. Indeed, ditching the FDA has long been a fever dream goal in more ardent libertarian circles. Don’t believe me? Here’s one summary of libertarian arguments for dismantling the FDA. Basically, the arguments run the gamut from “opening the FDA up to competition” by “private inspection agencies.” Let’s just say I find this argument…unpersuasive. Libertarians will fall all over themselves to deny that such companies would have an inherent incentive to make getting their stamp of approval easy and more inexpensive (free market!), but their counterarguments tend to come down to strong laws against this (yeah, right) and “trust the free market.” As Aaron Brown put it:

    You seem to think that eliminating the Food and Drug Administration is among the more radical libertarian positions. In fact, it’s one of the easiest. It’s very hard to imagine any libertarian supporting the FDA.

    And:

    Thus was born a hugely profitable and powerful combination of doctors, drug and medical device makers and regulators, which over the years has been a constant source of scandals. It delays innovation, drives up costs and—make no mistake—kills more people every year than mass shooters.

    Although libertarians are a diverse group and value independent thinking, nearly all libertarians have to hate the theory of the FDA. A few of them might dispute the empirical evidence. I think fewer of them would dispute the historical record, because this kind of regulatory empire building and capture is very common and a major complaint of most libertarians.

    Again, this libertarian trope about the FDA killing more people than it saves is utter bullshit, but it’s an article of faith among anti-regulation conservatives and libertarians.

    Right-to-try strikes back against Scott Gottleib
    Whenever I point out that right-to-try is a tool, a step if you will, towards the ultimate dismantling of the FDA, inevitably someone will take umbrage and insist that, no, that’s not the purpose of right-to-try at all. They also accuse me of a lack of compassion, as though compassion for the terminally ill requires that I buy their arguments. Now that right-to-try is law, however, the mask is coming off. One of the architects of the federal right-to-try law that President Trump signed on Wednesday, Sen. Ron Johnson, rebuked FDA Commissioner Scott Gottleib yesterday, setting him straight on the true purpose of right-to-try. I found this out in a STAT News article, ‘Right-to-try’ law intended to weaken the FDA, measure’s sponsor says in blunt remarks, which reported on a letter written by Sen. Johnson to Dr. Gottleib in response to remarks that Gottleib had made about right-to-try two weeks ago entitled Johnson to FDA: Agency Should Comply with Right to Try Law. First, he lays out the “offense” by Gottleib that riled him up:

    In a recent article about right to try, you appeared to suggest that the FDA would need to issue regulations to balance the law’s requirement against “patient protections.” The article quoted you as saying:

    “In terms of making sure that it balances [access to experimental drugs] against appropriate patient protections . . . with [S. 204], we’d have to do a little bit more . . . in guidance and perhaps in regulation to achieve some of those goals.”
    “We felt that there were certain aspects of [S. 204] that could be modified to build in additional patient protections, but if you weren’t able to do that legislatively, that there [was] a pathway by which you do that administratively and still remain consistent with the letter and the spirit of this law.”
    You later tweeted: “I stand ready to implement

    in a way that achieves Congress’ intent to promote access and protect patients; and build on #FDA’s longstanding commitment to these important goals.”

    Silly Dr. Gottleib. He actually thought that right-to-try was about expanding access to experimental therapies to terminally ill patients. Gottleib, as I’ve discussed, was the “least bad” choice Trump could have made for FDA Commissioner. Sure, he’s all for “streamlining” drug approval processes (translation: making them easier and less rigorous), but he still exists within a continuum of “normal” among FDA Commissioners, albeit on the conservative end. He’s not a hyper-libertarian Peter Theil crony who thinks the free market will take care of drug safety, nor does he think that online rating systems, a “Yelp for drugs” if you will, would be effective at assuring drug safety. Gottleib is, in contrast, the sort of FDA Commissioner that any Republican administration might have appointed. He actually believes in the mission of the FDA, as he showed when under his leadership the FDA started cracking down on quack stem cell clinics.

    Because Gottleib believes in the mission of the FDA, he understands how bad this new law is, how it will cut the FDA out of the process, leaving terminally ill patients unprotected by institutional review boards (IRBs)—or much of anything else, for that matter. So he tried to say how FDA would work to implement the law, including trying to do what the FDA is supposed to do and protect patients accessing right-to-try medications. It’s what any responsible FDA Commissioner would do.

    Sen. Johnson wasted no time in setting Dr. Gottleib straight on that score:

    As I made clear to my colleagues in the Senate and the House before each body voted on S. 204, this legislation is fundamentally about empowering patients to make decisions in cooperation with their doctors and the developers of potentially life-saving therapies. This law intends to diminish the FDA’s power over people’s lives, not increase it.

    I told you so. In the name of patient “empowerment” right-to-try is really about cutting the FDA out of the process of drug companies marketing their wares to desperate patients. Johnson makes that very explicitly clear in no uncertain terms:

    It is designed to work within existing FDA regulations, definitions, and approval processes. It is not meant to grant FDA more power or enable the FDA to write new guidance, rules, or regulations that would limit the ability of an individual facing a life-threatening disease from accessing treatments. Under this law, the FDA’s oversight with respect to patient safety within a Phase I trial remains unchanged; the current thresholds for successful completion of such a trial phase remains unchanged.

    That last bit about phase I trial requirements is a red herring. No one is claiming that right-to-try changes phase I clinical trial requirements. What right-to-try does do is something incredibly dangerous. It makes any drug that has passed phase I trials and has an active investigational new drug (IND) application and is in ongoing clinical trials eligible for right-to-try. As I’ve repeated more times than I can remember but still feel obligated to repeat any time I discuss right-to-try, it is deceptive as hell to call drugs that have passed phase I “safe,” as I’ve seen right-to-try advocates do more times than I can remember. Phase I trials generally only involve less than 30 patients and are not designed to verify drug safety. Rather, they are designed to detect the worst toxicities and make sure that the drug isn’t too toxic or hazardous to continue to test in phase II and III clinical trials. (There’s a big difference.) Phase I trials also do not demonstrate efficacy. They are not designed to do that, either. Basically, think of phase I trials as a screening test to make sure an experimental drug isn’t too dangerous and might have activity, enough to justify further clinical trials. Only around 10-15% of drugs that pass phase I go on to be approved by the FDA.

    Ironically, Sen. Johnson is not entirely wrong in one thing that he asserts. It is true that right-to-try does not provide any new rights that patients didn’t already have before under expanded use programs. It also certainly doesn’t do anything to increase FDA power. After all, the bill’s primary sponsor just told Scott Gottleib that that the very purpose of the bill was to weaken his agency and that he should, basically, stay out of right-to-try cases.

    If that’s not clear enough, Johnson drives home the point. First, he wants as many patients as possible to be eligible for right-to-try:

    S. 204, as originally introduced, applied to patients “with a terminal illness,” as defined by state law. I rejected the FDA’s proposed definition—“immediately life-threatening disease or condition”— because it would exclude patients with Duchenne muscular dystrophy, an illness that I explicitly intended to be covered by the legislation. As enacted, S. 204 defines terminal illness as “life-threatening disease or condition,” a definition that exists in current federal regulation. The FDA confirmed that this definition would include patients diagnosed with Duchenne muscular dystrophy.

    Of course, state right-to-try laws generally define a “terminal illness” as one that is likely to cause death within six months, although the definition varies somewhat and some states don’t even necessarily require a “terminal” illness. Be that as it may, Sen. Johnson makes it very clear: Right-to-try should victimize apply to as many patients as possible.

    Next up, don’t harsh me, bro, with any outcomes that might reflect badly on the experimental drug:

    S. 204 requires that the Secretary of Health and Human Services may not use a clinical outcome associated with the use of an eligible investigational drug to delay or adversely affect the drug’s review or approval, unless use of that clinical outcome is critical to determining safety. This language is not intended to enable the FDA to expand the scope of existing safety determinations about investigational drugs.

    No one ever said that it did, least of all Scott Gottleib, at least as far as I can tell. As I’ve discussed multiple times, the language in the federal right-to-try law bends over backwards to make sure there are no consequences for companies agreeing to provide experimental medications to patients under the law. Indeed, the first version of Sen. Johnson’s right-to-try bill explicitly banned the FDA from using outcomes from patients using an experimental drug under right-to-try in its consideration. Seriously, I mean this. The original version of Sen. Johnson’s bill would have banned the FDA from even considering outcomes of patients who access right-to-try in its considerations over whether to approve a drug. At least the version that passed allows such consideration, although it requires jumping through some hoops. For example, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (or his designee, which can be the FDA Commissioner) must publicly justify using outcomes in this way. Basically, S. 204 as passed states that the FDA can’t use a clinical outcome or adverse event associated with the use of a right-to-try drug in its determination of licensure for sale unless the Secretary of Health and Human Services (or his designee) decides that the use of these outcomes is critical to determining the safety of the drug or the applicant wants them used. Rather than what the default should be (that all outcome data should be considered when examining a drug for FDA approval), this forces the HHS Secretary or a high level delegate to justify including right-to-try outcomes in the deliberations over whether the drug under consideration should receive FDA approval for marketing. In other words, the burden of proof is on the FDA, not the company seeking approval for its drug, as to why right-to-try outcomes should be included.

    The FDA surrenders
    Sadly, the FDA appears to have thrown in the towel, although I don’t know that there’s anything else it could have done:

    In a separate email to staff Wednesday, Janet Woodcock, who directs the agency’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, told staff to direct any inquiries about the new law to drug companies.

    “We believe that sponsors are in the best position to provide information on the development status of their products,” Woodcock wrote.

    In other words, if Congress is going to cut the FDA out of right-to-try decisions and regulation, screw it all. Patients, don’t call us. Congress has eliminated our authority to deal with this. Call the company that makes the drug you’re interested. Congress cut us out; we can no longer interfere. You’re on your own.

    Of course, that’s the entire idea behind right-to-try. I can’t even say that I blame Woodcock. What else is the FDA to do? After all, right-to-try isn’t even really a “right.” All it is is the right to ask companies making experimental drugs if they’ll let them try the drug. The companies are under no obligation to provide the drug and can basically charge whatever they want if they do decide to provide the drug.

    Let’s take a trip back in time, back to 2014, back when right-to-try laws first started passing in state legislatures. Those state laws were (and continue to be) all based on a legislative template promulgated by the libertarian Goldwater Institute. This template had several elements in common:

    Anyone with a terminal illness is eligible for right-to-try.
    Any drug that’s passed phase I trials, has an IND, and is still under clinical trials is eligible for right-to-try.
    There is no liability for doctors or companies participating in right-to-try.
    Insurance doesn’t have to pay for right-to-try drugs. (This provision can also be reasonably interpreted as saying that insurance companies also don’t have to pay for the treatment of complications that occur because of the use of right-to-try drugs.)
    Patients wanting right-to-try drugs are on their own when it comes to cost.
    Drug companies don’t have to provide their experimental drug.
    Yes, right-to-try is a libertarian wet dream. That’s not surprising, given its source. Again, right-to-try is a product of the Goldwater Institute, which tries to paint itself as a libertarian “think tank,” but has never been a true think tank. Rather, it has always been a far right-wing advocacy organization, so much so that before he died Barry Goldwater actually wanted his name removed from the group, but backed off because the Institute was dear to his brother. Unfortunately, the press treats the Goldwater Institute as a real think tank when it really isn’t. Rather, it’s part of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a corporate-funded bill mill. That’s why, before there was right-to-try at the state level in 2014, there was a Goldwater Institute-written legislative template, a pre-written bill that could be (and was) modified as needed by states to fit into their existing regulatory framework. It’s why all state-level right-to-try laws contain the same elements listed above, including libertarian tropes like elimination of liability for companies and doctors participating in right-to-try, and provisions that basically leave terminally ill patients on their own if things go south. It’s why the Koch brothers’ threw their weight behind right-to-try and started lying about it, virtually guaranteeing that its Republican toadies, sycophants, and lackeys in Congress would find a way—any way—to pass something they could call “right-to-try.” That’s what happened.

    Right-to-try: The Burzynski of “compassionate use”
    It can’t be repeated too many times. Right-to-try has never been about helping terminally ill patients, at least not primarily. It’s always been about dismantling the FDA, neutering it, reducing its power to regulate drugs. As a side effect, it will also facilitate preying upon terminally ill patients by quacks. As I like to say, it’s legalized cancer quack Stanislaw Burzynski’s entire business model.Think about it. His antineoplastons have passed phase I trials. He’s maintained a plethora of phase II trials registered with the FDA that he’s been using as a marketing tool to bring patients to the Burzynski Clinic for 20 years. He charges huge fees to patients to be on his “clinical trials.” Thanks to right-to-try, after having beaten the Texas Medical Board for the umpteenth time, he now no longer has to worry about the FDA any more. He’s free to prey on patients via right-to-try to his black heart’s content. Janet Woodcock basically said so by instructing FDA staff to tell patients making right-to-try inquiries just to call the company making the drug they want. I can’t wait to see what quack stem cell clinics do under this law. Certainly, Burzynski started using the Texas right-to-try law almost as soon as it was passed.

    Yes, the quackery potential behind right-to-try, I’m afraid, will be the subject of a future post, either here or at my not-so-super-secret other blog. In the meantime, I guess we’ll see what happens when the government abandons its responsibility to protect its citizens against drug companies. And don’t even get me started on the utter failure of medical professional organizations like the American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) to speak out against state right-to-try bills. I was in contact with activists and legislators. They were begging professional medical organizations to give them ammunition against right-to-try bills and were met with silence, mainly because, as we opponents of right-to-try bills promoted by the Goldwater Institute found out, right to try is easy to demagogue. Its opponents are inevitably attacked as unsympathetic, uncaring, and wanting to prevent terminally ill patients from accessing their last chance at survival. In essence, opposition to right-to-try is painted as being akin to opposition to freedom and wanting to see terminally ill patients die horrible deaths. By the time ASCO actually spoke out last year, three years into the Goldwater Institute’s long game, it was way too little and way, way too late. More recently, ASCO issued a pretty close to useless FAQ for physicians to discuss right-to-try with their patients. ASCO failed. Big time.

    Of course, it’s hard not to understand why ASCO, academic medical centers, and other medical organizations were reluctant to speak out. After all, the Goldwater Institute borrowed a page from the Burzynski playbook and used terminally ill patients as shields against criticism and weapons against critics. Criticizing right-to-try, no matter how dispassionately, let one be painted as attacking these patients. Burzynski knew about the compassion all of us have for terminally ill patients and how it would make critics reluctant to attack his quackery too harshly. The Goldwater Institute knows it too. This demagoguery has been very effective. After all, right-to-try is the law in 40 states and a federal version just became law this week.

    We’ll see what happens next. Certainly, I will be watching. And reporting.

    #86608
    Avatar photoBilly_T
    Participant

    Just so you know Billy I wrote the Admin and asked why the entire post was not pulled.

    Good to hear that, W.

    How did they respond?

    After a day of chemo, and listening to the (sometimes horrific) stories of other patients — which is unusual for me. I generally keep to myself when I’m there — I’ve had time to “sleep on it” a bit. About the only thing that bothers me now is the faceless, nameless aspect of it all. As in, I don’t know who deleted the posts, and I don’t know who locked me out just as I was getting ready to write a final post to the board.

    To me, that’s cowardice, and it’s — struggling for the right expression here — bad form.

    James, for instance, would have told me personally before any of this happened. He would have sent an email or a PM. The new mods — whoever they are — don’t have the stones to back up their own actions by divulging their handles at least, which, of course, still keeps them basically anonymous.

    Not cool. Not. Cool.

    They have not responded.

    Figures. That’s flat out cowardly. No response. No names. Little baby autocrats, in hiding.

    That board seems to have changed more than just its name in recent months. It lost its soul.

    #86601
    waterfield
    Participant

    Just so you know Billy I wrote the Admin and asked why the entire post was not pulled.

    Good to hear that, W.

    How did they respond?

    After a day of chemo, and listening to the (sometimes horrific) stories of other patients — which is unusual for me. I generally keep to myself when I’m there — I’ve had time to “sleep on it” a bit. About the only thing that bothers me now is the faceless, nameless aspect of it all. As in, I don’t know who deleted the posts, and I don’t know who locked me out just as I was getting ready to write a final post to the board.

    To me, that’s cowardice, and it’s — struggling for the right expression here — bad form.

    James, for instance, would have told me personally before any of this happened. He would have sent an email or a PM. The new mods — whomever they are — don’t have to stones to back up their own actions by divulging their handles at least, which, of course, still keeps them basically anonymous.

    Not cool. Not. Cool.

    They have not responded.

    #86575
    Avatar photoBilly_T
    Participant

    Just so you know Billy I wrote the Admin and asked why the entire post was not pulled.

    Good to hear that, W.

    How did they respond?

    After a day of chemo, and listening to the (sometimes horrific) stories of other patients — which is unusual for me. I generally keep to myself when I’m there — I’ve had time to “sleep on it” a bit. About the only thing that bothers me now is the faceless, nameless aspect of it all. As in, I don’t know who deleted the posts, and I don’t know who locked me out just as I was getting ready to write a final post to the board.

    To me, that’s cowardice, and it’s — struggling for the right expression here — bad form.

    James, for instance, would have told me personally before any of this happened. He would have sent an email or a PM. The new mods — whomever they are — don’t have to stones to back up their own actions by divulging their handles at least, which, of course, still keeps them basically anonymous.

    Not cool. Not. Cool.

    #86130
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    JIM MURRAY

    Ground Chuck Just a Pilot Away From Air Knox

    September 16, 1990

    http://articles.latimes.com/1990-09-16/sports/sp-1288_1_chuck-knox

    SEATTLE — They called him Ground Chuck. They called his football the School of Hard Knox. They said he played football 10 yards at a time, the way sandhogs built tunnels under rivers. Or miners dug coal. They recommended his teams wear lanterns and carry canaries.

    They called his team the Seahawks, but the wise guys said they should be called the Moles. They got touchdowns the way gophers get plants.

    But he did more with less than anyone who ever coached the game. After all, even Vince Lombardi had Bart Starr. Tom Landry had Roger Staubach. Chuck Noll had Terry Bradshaw. Paul Brown had Otto Graham. Don Shula had Bob Griese. Dan Reeves, John Elway. John Madden had Snake Stabler, Tom Flores, Jim Plunkett. Even Mike Ditka had Jim McMahon. And of course, Bill Walsh had Joe Montana.

    Chuck Knox had Dave Krieg. And Ron Jaworski. And Jim Zorn. And Pat Haden. And James Harris. And Joe Ferguson. These weren’t your basic Slingin’ Sammy Baughs.

    Chuck Knox is “the best coach never to get to the Super Bowl.” He is, probably, the only coach ever to be fired after winning five successive divisional championships and going 12-2, 10-4, 12-2, 10-3-1 and 10-4 in the process.

    The owner complained he didn’t look good winning. Not Hollywood enough. It reminded you of the woman who screamed hysterically for someone to save her baby son from drowning, and when someone did, she looked accusingly at him and said, “Where’s his hat?”

    He had gotten his team within one foot of the Super Bowl twice. The first time, his Rams had the ball on the Minnesota one-foot line, fourth down and goal to go in a scoreless tie. They lined up for a chip-shot–no, a tap-in–field goal. It was blocked–and a Minnesota safety ran the ball back 90 yards for a touchdown. The Rams never recovered.

    Another year, the Rams had the ball on the Minnesota one-foot line again, first down and goal to go, when the Minnesota tackle, Alan Page, with nothing to lose but a six-inch penalty, jumped offside. But the official ruled the Ram guard, Tom Mack, had drawn him off. After the Rams were moved back five yards, their quarterback, James Harris, on a rollout, threw an interception. Goodby, Super Bowl, once again.

    Knox got shuffled off to Buffalo after that, and the next year the Rams fluked into the Super Bowl on a 9-7 record, the worst to make that summit. The gods were trying to tell Knox something.

    Wherever he went, he never got a quarterback. Don Shula got Dan Marino. Chuck Knox got Dan Doornink. Bill Parcells got Phil Simms. Knox got Brian Bosworth.

    Knox was trying to win no-limit poker hands with two treys.

    Were the wounds self-inflicted? Well, when Chuck Knox took the Ram job in 1972, he was quoted as saying that quarterback was “just another position.” He enlarged on the philosophy by explaining that if the supporting cast were strong enough, the quarterback needn’t be all-world.

    It was just as well he felt that way. Because he had to go to war against the all-worlds, like Fran Tarkenton and Roger Staubach, with Haden, Harris and Hadl.

    He almost brought it off. Knox teams were–like the coach–resourceful, patient, smart, dogged, undiscourageable. An elite unit. They just had one weakness. Knox played the cards he was dealt–and he always came up an ace short. Whenever he called, the other guys had a higher hole card: the quarterback.

    At Buffalo, the quarterback was a good Joe–but Ferguson, not Montana or Namath. Knox had to win games the old-fashioned way, by wagon train, not jet.

    Hardly any team has ever made the Super Bowl without that old ace in the hole, the super quarterback.

    Knox came closer than anybody. Has he had occasion to revise his earlier thinking? Is quarterback more than “just another position?” Is Ground Chuck about to become Air Knox?

    Throughout their history, his Seahawks have drafted running backs No. 1 (Curt Warner, John L. Williams), or linebackers (Bosworth, Tony Woods) or tackles (Andy Heck, Cortez Kennedy). Quarterbacks are nowhere on their charts.

    Knox sighs and says: “When I first expressed my opinion (about the relative value of quarterbacks), it was a different ballgame. Offensive linemen could not extend their arms to pass-block. Wide receivers could be checked at the line of scrimmage, even blocked below the waist, bumped and run with. You could use reasonable force to discourage quarterbacks, there was no in-the-grasp rule.

    “Every rule that’s been put into effect the last few years was designed to help the quarterback, make his role more decisive, more effective. It has become more of a quarterback’s medium, this game.

    “Now, there are two kinds of quarterbacks. There is what I call the ‘because of’ quarterback and the ‘with’ quarterback. You win ‘because of’ Joe Montana or John Elway. You win ‘with’ Phil Simms or Doug Williams.”

    Chuck Knox has never had either kind–a “because of” or even a “with” quarterback–in his history. “To get a ‘because of’ quarterback, you have to go 2-12,” he explains. “And if you do that, you’re out of a job. Somebody else gets the benefit of the ‘because of’ quarterback. If, of course, you can find one.”

    Knox’s teams are landlocked because they don’t have a pilot. They’re like a gleaming new DC-10 that can only taxi from runway to runway, an aircraft carrier restricted to delivering tanks. If he had ever had even a “with” quarterback, he’d go from Ground Chuck to Air Knox, and the Super Bowl today might be known as Knox-ville, instead of the sovereign state of Montana.

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