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    Rams offensive lineman Greg Robinson staying positive while competing for a starting job

    By: Gary Klein

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-greg-robinson-20170531-story.html%5DLA Times

    He was the No. 2 pick in the NFL 2014 draft but has struggled with penalties and protection issues playing left tackle.

    The Rams this offseason signed a three-time Pro Bowl player to take his spot, moved him to the right side and then declined to exercise their fifth-year option, a move that would have ensured him a roster spot — and a salary of more than $12 million — in 2018.

    Through it all, Greg Robinson said this week that he remained positive.

    “Whatever opportunities I have, I’m looking forward to my future,” he said after an organized team activity workout. “Hopefully, it’s with the Rams.

    “I don’t really how that’s going to go, but whatever opportunities come my way, I’ve just got to take advantage of it.”

    Robinson, 24, appears to be facing another challenge.

    New coach Sean McVay and offensive line coach Aaron Kromer shifted Rob Havenstein from right tackle to right guard, providing the 6-foot-5, 332-pound Robinson an opportunity at right tackle.

    Robinson, scheduled to earn about $6.7 million in salary and bonuses this season, opened OTA workouts last week working with the first-team offense.

    But on Tuesday, Jamon Brown took most of the first-team reps.

    “I made a few mistakes that put me down,” Robinson said. “But I just look at it as a little fire up under me. I try my best to come out every day and redeem myself.”

    Robinson, McVay said, “has shown some good signs” and acknowledged there was an “adjustment period” when moving from the left to the right side of the line.

    But he also praised the 6-4, 330-pound Brown, who played guard his first two seasons with the Rams after he was selected in the third round of the 2015 draft.

    Brown played tackle in college at Louisville.

    “You can see his athleticism and his strength,” McVay said. “That’s a position where we feel like we’ve got some good options at that spot, and we’ll continue to evaluate that moving forward.”

    Brown said his background playing the position in college eased the transition from the interior of the line to the edge.

    “The majority of the stuff comes back pretty natural,” he said, adding, “Kind of easy to knock the rust off and just get back to doing what I did.”

    Robinson and Brown are competing to start opposite 6-7, 330-pound Andrew Whitworth. The 11-year veteran signed a three-year, $33.7-million contract to stabilize the line and serve as quarterback Jared Goff’s blindside protector.

    Whitworth said he was encouraging all linemen, including Robinson.

    “Just continuing to try and be a positive reinforcement in his ear, of developing and focusing and trying to get the best out of himself,” Whitworth said. “And really just more telling him, ‘Whatever I can do to help you.’ Any way, whatever that is.

    “If it’s sitting out around afterwards and talking about the schemes. If it’s physically going through stuff. I mean, whatever it is I can do to help him and just being there for him, that’s it.”

    Robinson will continue working at the transition to right tackle through the remaining five OTA workouts and during a minicamp in mid-June.

    “In all honesty,” he said of the move, “I think it’s going to be pretty good.”

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    Greg Robinson will have to fight for a starting right tackle job

    By Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/33943/rams-greg-robinson-will-have-to-fight-for-a-starting-job-at-rt

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Greg Robinson will tell you he didn’t see this coming, but he’s happy to at least still be a tackle.

    “Just the space,” Robinson said. “It’s more natural for me.”

    Robinson, the No. 2 overall pick in 2014, struggled mightily at left tackle during his first three NFL seasons, prompting a switch to the right side. The Los Angeles Rams opted against picking up his fifth-year option earlier this spring, and now they’re not even sure if Robinson will start. Jamon Brown, a guard through his first two years, was the one taking first-team snaps at right tackle during organized team activities on Tuesday, leaving Robinson to get his work done alongside the backups.

    It’s still early, though, and Robinson will tell you he’s “getting accustomed” to his new position.

    “The first week or so was a tough one, but I’m getting it down,” he said. “As a goal, all I’m planning on doing is proving with every opportunity I can that I can do well on the right side.”

    Robinson committed an NFL-leading 31 total penalties over the last two years and was graded 71st among 78 qualified tackles by Pro Football Focus in 2016, a year when the offensive line’s struggles made life miserable on quarterback Jared Goff and running back Todd Gurley. The Rams have since guaranteed $15 million to a 35-year-old Andrew Whitworth, solidifying themselves at left tackle and prompting change throughout the right side.

    Rob Havenstein is transitioning from right tackle to right guard, a move prompted by the Rams’ belief that he can do a better job of picking up assignments in the interior.

    Right tackle, said first-year coach Sean McVay, “is something that we’re evaluating.”

    Brown, a third-round pick in 2015, made all of his starts at tackle for Louisville, starting on the right side before moving to the left. But with Robinson on the roster and Havenstein selected a round earlier, the Rams, under Jeff Fisher, used Brown mostly at left and right guard, giving him a combined 14 starts there in 2015-16. Going back to right tackle “was just kind of a suggestion last week because they’re trying to plug in guys and evaluate guys at different spots,” Brown said.

    McVay said Robinson has “shown some good signs” at right tackle, but also stated that Brown’s athleticism and strength show up there.

    “The majority of the stuff comes back pretty natural, just because that’s what I’ve been doing for the four years I was in college,” Brown said. “It’s kind of easy to just kind of knock the rust off and just get back to doing what I do. ”

    Whitworth, a three-time Pro Bowler, has been helping Robinson any way he can. He’s trying to act as “positive reinforcement,” Whitworth said, talking through schemes, walking through technique and simply making himself available. He stands as a much-needed third veteran on this offensive line, along with left guard Rodger Saffold and center John Sullivan.

    But Robinson, 24, must carve his own path.

    “Honestly, just another day on the field is an opportunity,” he said. “That’s all I’m looking forward to. I’m willing to just prove myself in any way I can, and every day that’s the only thing I’m focused on. Since the beginning I’ve been trying my best. In terms of my play, I wouldn’t say I’m satisfied. All I can do is keep stacking blocks and continue building.”

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    Jamon Brown Takes First-Team Snaps at Right Tackle

    By Myles Simmons

    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Jamon-Brown-Takes-First-Team-Snaps-at-Right-Tackle/5efae846-afa7-4d9a-87e5-f33456a7c8d3

    There’s a substantial amount of time between the Rams’ fourth organized team activity practice and the team’s Week 1 matchup against the Colts.

    But there was a bit of a shake up on the offensive line for Tuesday’s session, with third-year lineman Jamon Brown taking snaps with the first team at right tackle. Greg Robinson had been previously working at that spot, and head coach Sean McVay said the two players are challenging for the position.

    “Jamon Brown is a guy who has competed really well. He’s done a nice job competing at guard and at tackle. We gave him and Greg a chance to compete. And really excited to go back and look at the tape,” McVay said on Tuesday. “But I think what we’ve seen from Jamon — really going back to last week — [are] a lot of encouraging things. And Greg’s done some good things as well. So until I really see this practice, it’s hard for us to say exactly how it went today. But I think it’s good to let guys compete and see how they do.”

    According to McVay, Tuesday’s practice was the first where Brown has taken snaps with the first-team offensive line. Brown said the opportunity only recently materialized.

    “It was just kind of a suggestion last week, just because they’re trying to plug in guys and evaluate guys at different spots and just play all over,” Brown said. “And one thing that I thought about it was just kind of show the coaches and the team that I’m a versatile guy — I can play pretty much anywhere on the line. And that’s my thoughts, just being able to plug wherever they need me.”

    The Louisville product said he didn’t necessarily anticipate being asked to play tackle coming into the offseason program. But he did embrace being the swing offensive lineman — someone who could play any position when asked.

    “I’ve been playing guard, I’ve been playing tackle, and I’m just trying to continue to build off that,” Brown said.

    But what got Brown elevated to taking first-team snaps at right tackle?

    “I think what you like about Jamon is his demeanor. I think he’s got a great disposition where he’s willing to be coached,” McVay said. “He’s got good movement for a big, physical player. And when he gets his hands on people, he certainly does a nice job of securing the line of scrimmage — whether that’s in the run game or in protection when he jump-sets people. But what he showed last week was very encouraging.”

    Brown admitted he has some rust to knock off when it comes to playing right tackle. He’s worked exclusively as a guard — both on the right and left — since entering the league as a third-round pick in 2015.

    “The majority of the stuff comes back pretty natural, just because that’s what I had been doing for the four years that I was in college. So it’s kind of easy to knock the rust off and get back to doing what I did,” Brown said. “But it’s been going pretty good. I don’t think there’s too much rust.”

    But there is an adjustment when it comes to playing speed.

    “Being in the inside playing at guard, things happen a lot quicker, a lot faster. But once you move out to tackle, you kind of get on the island, and you start to play in a little more space,” Brown said. “So just getting adjusted to the speed and how I encounter different guys on the edge and play different guys on the edge.”

    Brown taking snaps at right tackle does put back in place a partnership with a member of his draft class. He and Rob Havenstein came in as the club’s right guard and right tackle, respectively. Now those positions are flipped.

    “It’s always good to be able to work back with Rob,” Brown said. “It’s been a little different, me being on the outside of him. We had kind of got used to him being on the edge and me being on the inside. But that chemistry that we have, we just fit right in.”

    And so while Brown has played himself into the mix at right tackle, nothing is set in stone — particularly because it’s still the month of May.

    “I think Greg’s shown some good signs. Anytime that you transition from the left to the right, there is an adjustment period. It was good to see Jamon Brown, he’s continuing to grow and improve,” McVay said. “That’s a position where we feel like we’ve got some good options at that spot. And we’ll continue to evaluate that moving forward.”

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    LMU93 wrote:

    Brown was switched to OG after being drafted, not at Louisville. He started every game at LT/RT his sophomore-senior years there. I think he was made an OG because they penciled in Robinson and Havenstein as the starting OTs. He broke his leg trying to tackle a defender that had made an interception after 9 games in 2015. I can’t recall why he missed a few games last year. Maybe he doesn’t win the RT job and he settles in as their 6th man. I just think it’s not far-fetched at all for him to win it.

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    LMU93 wrote:

    Brown was switched to OG after being drafted, not at Louisville. He started every game at LT/RT his sophomore-senior years there.

    If you look at Kromer’s history, he often has different ideas than most about who plays at guard and who plays at tackle. A lot of his best guards were college tackles for example.

    What’s interesting here is that although GR seems to be on the hotseat, they are replacing him from within with another Rams pick.

    McVay has hinted that Kromer studied some of the guys the Rams drafted when he was with Buffalo in 2015, ie. he was familiar with them from before when he was doing draft scouting. Brown may be one of the guys he likes.

    Either way btw they end up with a MASSIVE OL. One of the LA reporters who saw it in action at OTAs calls it scary huge.

    Whitworth 6.7,333
    Saffold 6.5,325
    Sullivan 6.4,310
    Hav 6.8,328
    Brown 6.4,330/GR 6.5,334
    avg. 6.4-5, 325-6

    The questions then are…if Brown is at tackle, does Kromer like either Donnal or Wichman to play LOG behind Saffold?
    And of course…do they have a center behind Sullivan?

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    link:http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-offensive-lineman-are-big-2011-10/#2015-bryan-bulaga-ot-green-bay-packers-10

    Interesting little piece on the growth of OLinemen over the decades.

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    link:http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-offensive-lineman-are-big-2011-10/#2015-bryan-bulaga-ot-green-bay-packers-10

    Interesting little piece on the growth of OLinemen over the decades.

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    The site asked me who I voted for and then kicked me off?????????????????????????????

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    The site asked me who I voted for and then kicked me off?????????????????????????????

    Fwiw that didn’t happen to me. I got a photo essay showing among other things that Pierre Garcon, at his current size as a WR, would have been an average offensive lineman in eras past.

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    The site asked me who I voted for and then kicked me off?????????????????????????????

    Fwiw that didn’t happen to me. I got a photo essay showing among other things that Pierre Garcon, at his current size as a WR, would have been an average offensive lineman in eras past.

    The used this evil app thingy to block me, but I know it is all a conspiracy plot.

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    Rams offensive lineman Greg Robinson staying positive while competing for a starting job

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-greg-robinson-20170531-story.html

    He was the No. 2 pick in the NFL 2014 draft but has struggled with penalties and protection issues playing left tackle.

    The Rams this offseason signed a three-time Pro Bowl player to take his spot, moved him to the right side and then declined to exercise their fifth-year option, a move that would have ensured him a roster spot — and a salary of more than $12 million — in 2018.

    Through it all, Greg Robinson said this week that he remained positive.

    “Whatever opportunities I have, I’m looking forward to my future,” he said after an organized team activity workout. “Hopefully, it’s with the Rams.

    #69603
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    I’d still prefer GRob at LG, and Havenstein at RT. Brown, Weichman and Eldercamp(sp.) can battle it out for RG. Rhanwy could be the back up Center, and Saffold and Donnel could battle to for the backup Tackle spot.

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    I’d still prefer GRob at LG, and Havenstein at RT. Brown, Weichman and Eldercamp(sp.) can battle it out for RG. Rhanwy could be the back up Center, and Saffold and Donnel could battle to for the backup Tackle spot.

    Kromer knows what he is doing, as he has proven time in and time out. And Hav is set at LG. Hav is ahead of every single guy you name there.

    So maybe this is one of those rare cases where the coaches know more than we do.

    I will say this.

    1. Kromer does not use guards in ways we’re used to. “Conventional wisdom” on this won’t work. He actually puts more emphasis on guard play than on tackle play. And…he knows what he wants and knows it when he sees it.

    2. He has been very very good at it. Under Kromer in Buffalo Incognito had the best seasons of his career. In New Orleans before that, he produced 2 top guards out of lower round picks: Carl Nicks and Jahri Evans.

    Trust The Kromer.

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