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  • #66475
    zn
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    COLIN KAEPERNICK SENTENCED TO NFL LIMBO FOR THE CRIME OF SPEAKING HIS MIND

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2698098-colin-kaepernick-sentenced-to-nfl-limbo-for-the-crime-of-speaking-his-mind

    It’s more than a week into free agency and Colin Kaepernick is still unemployed. Remember, this is a quarterback who played in the Super Bowl only four years ago, yet now it appears he can’t get a look from teams. So I set out to discover, once and for all, what teams think of the 29-year-old former Niner.

    “He can still play at a high level,” one AFC general manager said. “The problem is three things are happening with him.

    “First, some teams genuinely believe that he can’t play. They think he’s shot. I’d put that number around 20 percent.

    “Second, some teams fear the backlash from fans after getting him. They think there might be protests or [President Donald] Trump will tweet about the team. I’d say that number is around 10 percent. Then there’s another 10 percent that has a mix of those feelings.

    “Third, the rest genuinely hate him and can’t stand what he did [kneeling for the national anthem]. They want nothing to do with him. They won’t move on. They think showing no interest is a form of punishment. I think some teams also want to use Kaepernick as a cautionary tale to stop other players in the future from doing what he did.”

    When I spoke to a handful of executives at the combine a few weeks ago, one even called him “an embarrassment to football.”

    For the moment, the interest in Kaepernick is slim, and that’s putting it kindly.

    It’s possible teams are waiting for the right time to make their play for him. That’s sometimes how it works in free agency. Weeks or months will go by with little interest in a player and then, boom, it all heats up at once.

    #66476
    nittany ram
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    Why would anyone hate him for being true to his convictions?

    He played for the 9ers which is a crime against humanity.

    That’s the reason to hate him.

    #66477
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    I wonder how many posters on this board hate Kaepernick? I don’t. Only issue I had with him is he did not vote, and admitted it. But taking a stand, even if it’s that way doesn’t bother me. I respect it.

    #66480
    zn
    Moderator

    taking a stand, even if it’s that way doesn’t bother me. I respect it.

    Why would anyone hate him for being true to his convictions?

    Agreed. But, we ain’t livin in no utopia.

    Some tried to argue that CK doing that was one of the main reasons NFL ratings dropped overall last year.

    BUSTING THE NFL RATINGS KAP MYTH

    WILL LEITCH
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    http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/209760366/colin-kaepernick-reason-nfl-ratings-down

    Many believe that NFL television ratings are down because of Colin Kaepernick’s national anthem protest.

    Sunday morning, I appeared on Howard Kurtz’s show “MediaBuzz,” on Fox News Channel to discuss the sagging NFL ratings this year, a topic so picked over that Bloomberg Businessweek did a cover story about it almost a month ago. I tossed out a few theories about why the ratings might be down, batted down a few others and made sure to note that the ratings already seem to be bouncing back anyway, as evidenced by Thanksgiving, which turned out to feature the most-watched NFL game in FOX history. The show ended, and I left the studio, drove home and didn’t think too much more about it.

    The next time I looked at my phone, it was vibrating with rage. The issue was not with anything I said, or some unfortunate chyron, or even my hair. It was that I didn’t understand the real reason the NFL was supposedly struggling this year. The real reason was Colin Kaepernick.

    Sample comment from Facebook: “You are dense, NFL ratings are down because of Colin Kaepernick !!! If you are confused by that you need to find a new job… you are brainless as well as d–kless.” (Isn’t Mark Zuckerberg’s invention delightful?) The overwhelming consensus was that I had missed the most obvious answer of all: NFL ratings are down because fans are mad over Kaepernick’s protest.

    Now, my first instinct was to read these responses, shake my head, turn off my devices and enjoy the rest of my Thanksgiving weekend. It’d be a funny story to tell my friends: I went on Fox News and got yelled at for not blaming poor NFL ratings on one person. What dopes!

    But this is, as I am constantly being told, part of the problem. This is an Elite Media position, the dismissal of differing viewpoints because I can’t escape my theoretical bubble. (This bubble being where I live in North Georgia, apparently.) This is why people distrust the media, I am told: Because we only talk to each other and lord some sort of superiority over those we deem less intelligent and informed than we are. We don’t engage with criticism, so we end up only talking to those who already agree with us.

    I do not want to be part of this problem. Post Election Day, media folk have been wrestling with their place in this new reality, where fake news stories are seen more than real ones, where the president-elect can just make up things on his Twitter feed and no one seems to mind. So the least I can do — the least any of us can do — is to meet these stories head on. If a hundred people are going to yell at me that the reason the NFL’s ratings are down is because of Kaepernick’s protest, I owe it to them to give their claims a thorough reckoning. It feels insufficient to just wave our hands at claims that strike us as demonstratively false. We need to prove it. The way back is always through facts.

    So.

    To me, it seems there are two ways to dig through this. The first is to look at whether there is any evidence that people are not watching the NFL because of Kaepernick’s protest. The second is to look at the logic of such a decision, if someone were to actually make it. This allows us to meet those who dispute what I believe to be obvious statements of fact on both fronts: We discuss the actual truth of the claim, and then the emotional truth. Because they both count. It’s possible the second one counts more.

    Is there any evidence that people really are watching less NFL because of Kaepernick? One must allot for the fact that there are a variety of reasons, from an oversaturation of the product, to the nation’s attention being focused on the election for much of the season, to an inferior on-field product, to the off-field scandals involving concussions and domestic violence, to the lack of real star power or breakout teams. Kaepernick’s protest might be a part of that; there certainly were many people yelling at me saying so yesterday.

    There is some data supporting this, but it’s awfully circumstantial. A Rasmussen poll said that 32 percent of fans say they were “less likely” to watch a game because of Kaepernick’s protest. Upon the release of this survey, Forbes claimed it was “confirmed” that Kapernick’s protest was pushing down the ratings.

    But a survey is far from hard evidence and, one could well argue, has more to do with a pollster’s question than actual viewing habits. If you are the type of person who was angered by Kaepernick’s protest, you are also precisely the sort of person who will answer, when asked about NFL ratings, that you aren’t watching the NFL this year specifically because of Kaepernick. This makes the poll accurate — the pollsters wrote down the answers correctly — but it doesn’t make the ratings accurate, any more than an exit poll is an exact replica of voting results (as we all learned three weeks ago). TV ratings and public opinion surveys both have such wide error bars that assuming they’re correct in and of themselves, let alone directly related to one another, is a logic leap made more out of narrative expedience than anything “confirmed.” And local ratings for 49ers games are roughly the same as they were last season; 2015 was a rough year for the 49ers, albeit one that featured Kaepernick starting fewer games. And the NFL, in fact, says its internal numbers show that the reputation of its players in the public sphere is actually higher than it has been in recent years.

    Now, it’s probably not wise to start taking NFL internal numbers at face value. But still: There is zero hard evidence that Kaepernick’s protest has had anything to do with the lower NFL ratings — ratings which are creeping back up, post-election, by the way — outside of the claims of people who already dislike Kaepernick’s protest and are inclined to blame it for anything within arm’s reach.

    But what about the emotional truth? It feels right to many people to be upset with Kaepernick, and thus the NFL for allowing, or at least not discouraging, his protest. This was another common response to the Fox News show: The NFL should have done something.

    Now, allotting for the fact that we are all different human beings having different experiences walking around our different little corners of this vast American universe, I think this is probably worth trying to find some reasonable, mostly agreed-upon points in response here.

    Here are a few:

    The NFL is not going to ban someone from its league for private, personal political speech. Nor should it. Sure, Roger Goodell would prefer Kaepernick stand for the national anthem. But he (obviously) cannot force him to do so. If Goodell had suspended Kaepernick — as many who are angry with Kaepernick and, subsequently, the NFL would have liked him to do — the blowback for the league, even in Donald Trump’s America, would have been far more widespread and explosive than what actually went down. Imagine if your company not only suspended you from your job for political speech on Facebook, but in fact banned you from your entire industry. You’d be furious, right? Why would one demand that the NFL react differently?
    Kaepernick’s protest has nothing to do with the military. No reasonable person would argue that the national anthem is only about the military, right? The flag stands for all that this country (supposedly) represents, good and bad, and that includes the freedom of speech and assembly. This is in fact a good argument to make to Kaepernick if you disagree with his protest: When you stand for the national anthem, you are standing not for everything your country does, but everything your country purports to represent. I personally stand for the national anthem because I believe this country can be better, and believe that the flag represents that ideal. This is not Kaepernick’s stance, and that’s fine: This is America, after all. (This oft-quoted phrase, “this is America after all,” feels both more powerful and more impotent in the past three weeks.) But the idea that Kaepernick’s protest is focused specifically at the military is not only incorrect — Kaepernick has in fact worked with veteran’s groups during the protest — but also betrays an oddly single-minded view about what America in fact is.
    Not watching NFL games because of a protest by a player who isn’t even playing in the game makes no sense. If you dislike Kaepernick’s protest, fine: Don’t watch 49ers games. Boo Kaepernick if you feel so inclined. But the idea that one would refuse to watch another game because of a political stance by someone who is playing elsewhere, thousands of miles away, is nonsensical. Sports fans are always claiming that they’d like their sports separate from their politics, that they don’t want politics shoved in their face when they’re trying to relax and have fun at a game. But not watching a game because of the politics of someone who isn’t even on the field is the actual definition of shoving politics into a game where it otherwise would not apply.
    Ratings are back up, anyway. Seriously, the highest-rated regular-season NFL game in the history of FOX was played four days ago. If fan anger toward Kaepernick can’t be expected to last longer than eight weeks, it hardly seems fair to remain so angry toward him for keeping up his protest, in the face of unprecedented resistance, for just as long.
    I will confess: The idea that someone would not watch the NFL because of Kaepernick’s protest — while their fandom has survived monstrous scandals, an overwhelming obsession with profit over fan service and the league’s mounting indifference to the physical ramifications of playing its sport at every level from professional down to Pop Warner leagues — is absolutely baffling to me. It is illogical, it is irrational and it has no basis in anything remotely factual in the physical world. But today: It is not enough to just say that. It must be refuted, meticulously and thoroughly.

    To be honest: It seems a little obvious to me to have to say all this stuff. These are fundamental principles that I had always accepted as inherent to the American experience. But I was wrong to do so. Just because I think it’s obvious, and other people who work in my field think it’s obvious, doesn’t mean it is obvious. We’re all learning lessons in this new reality. We must tackle false premises head on. This is now part of the job description. It probably always should have been.

    #66509
    joemad
    Participant

    the guy has a 4-2 playoff record….3-1 road playoff record…. the road playoff win in Green Bay in -10 degree win chill was one of the most impressive road wins that I can remember.

    Before Tom Brady came back against the Falcons, CK7 overcame a 17-0 deficit to beat the Falcons in ATL for a playoff game…

    teams gave 2nd chances to dickheads like Jeff George, Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez and I’ll put Brock Osweiler on the list…..

    for as bad as he CK7 has played the past 2 years, the guy showed that he can play and win in some big games.

    If you had a game to win, would you start Case Keenum, Goff, or CK7?

    He took a knee, so what?

    If you give Ray Rice a 2nd chance, give this guy one too…..

    #66511
    Zooey
    Moderator

    I think it is generally true that most people rationalize their consciences when money is at stake. One need only take a gander down the list of athletes guilty of despicable things who were hired in spite of those shortcomings to see that.

    If Kap doesn’t get picked up, it will be a surprise. He’s certainly a guy that somebody is going to see as a better #2 than what they have on the roster, and someone who might push a weak #1.

    But there are a lot of guys out there still unsigned: Cassel, Fitzpatrick, Cutler, Daniel, McCown, Griffin. I dunno. And I think his stance decreased his popularity, especially since owners are conservatives. Woody Johnson supported Trump, fwiw, and while the Jets need a QB….you know…it IS part of the mix.

    #66512
    wv
    Participant

    I have no idea, but my wild-speculation iz — its mostly just that player evaluation experts think he’s no longer a decent QB.

    Teams seem to have figured him out, and he wasn’t able to adjust.

    If Tom Brady or Russell Wilson joined the Black Panthers and burned the American Flag on Oprah, i think teams would still sign them.
    But if a mediocre or role player did the same thing — then yeah, the powers-that-be might make an ‘example’ of em.
    Kapernik just aint a bigtime talent anymore. I wouldnt want him. And i love running QBs

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    #66529
    Zooey
    Moderator

    I have no idea, but my wild-speculation iz — its mostly just that player evaluation experts think he’s no longer a decent QB.

    Teams seem to have figured him out, and he wasn’t able to adjust.

    If Tom Brady or Russell Wilson joined the Black Panthers and burned the American Flag on Oprah, i think teams would still sign them.
    But if a mediocre or role player did the same thing — then yeah, the powers-that-be might make an ‘example’ of em.
    Kapernik just aint a bigtime talent anymore. I wouldnt want him. And i love running QBs

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    I think that is the truth.

    Both my father and my father-in-law cited Kapernick as the reason they didn’t watch the 49ers this year.

    And I can’t help but wonder, if the 9ers had the best record in the league, if they wouldn’t have gone ahead and watched them while complaining about Kapernick.

    People compromise with stuff they don’t like all the time if it gets them to a larger goal.

    When that compromise is not going to get you to your goal, it is a lot easier to make that point of compromise the “straw” that broke the camel’s back.

    #66533
    joemad
    Participant

    Both my father and my father-in-law cited Kapernick as the reason they didn’t watch the 49ers this year.

    a very common tale amongst 49er fans this season…..

    reality is 2-14 was the reason that they didn’t watch games…..

    Sadly, the Rams were 0-2 against them.

    a couple of things….

    1) I have always thought that if CK7 didn’t losE the starting gig in SF that he wouldn’t have taken a knee…..

    2) hmm……. Tom Brady a member of the black panther party ? I’m sure Boston wouldn’t care after the 4th qtr in the Super Bowl, but I’m not sure the Black Panther Oakland chapter were too happy with the Tuck Rule….they’d never let Brady in the party in the 1st place…..

    #66542
    sanbagger
    Participant

    The reason CK isn’t on a roster right now is simple…he has been terrible. He’s just not a good QB, for whatever reason.

    The NFL will overlook many things, the inability to play usually isn’t one of them.

    For the record….I didn’t like the kneeling one bit. I think his cause was manufactured and he just wanted to draw attention to himself…he proved that by failing to vote. I usually don’t appreciate Stephen A. Smith, but his rant on CK was spot on.

    #66545
    wv
    Participant

    And I can’t help but wonder, if the 9ers had the best record in the league, if they wouldn’t have gone ahead and watched them while complaining about Kapernick.

    People compromise with stuff they don’t like all the time if it gets them to a larger goal.

    When that compromise is not going to get you to your goal, it is a lot easier to make that point of compromise the “straw” that broke the camel’s back.

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    Yup. The Steeler fans hate big ben…but they love big ben. If ya know what i mean.

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    #66552
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    Kaepernick donated $50,000.00 to Meals on Wheels…

    Link: http://resistancereport.com/news/hated-man-nfl-just-gave-50000/

    #66553
    Zooey
    Moderator

    And I can’t help but wonder, if the 9ers had the best record in the league, if they wouldn’t have gone ahead and watched them while complaining about Kapernick.

    People compromise with stuff they don’t like all the time if it gets them to a larger goal.

    When that compromise is not going to get you to your goal, it is a lot easier to make that point of compromise the “straw” that broke the camel’s back.

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    Yup. The Steeler fans hate big ben…but they love big ben. If ya know what i mean.

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    We are doomed.

    “We are what we always were in Salem, but now the little crazy children are jangling the keys of the kingdom, and common vengeance writes the law!”

    That is from The Crucible, by Arthur Miller. A great play. It’s about something else. But I want it to be about this. “We are what we always were in Salem….”

    Humans. At best, we’re hypocrites. At worst, well….

    #66555
    nittany ram
    Moderator
    #66559
    wv
    Participant

    We are doomed.

    “We are what we always were in Salem, but now the little crazy children are jangling the keys of the kingdom, and common vengeance writes the law!”

    That is from The Crucible, by Arthur Miller. A great play. It’s about something else. But I want it to be about this. “We are what we always were in Salem….”

    Humans. At best, we’re hypocrites. At worst, well….

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    I listened to the Crucible on an audio-CD in my car.

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    #66570
    Zooey
    Moderator

    So Kapernick just donated $50,000 to Meals on Wheels, and Sarah Palin tweeted, “And he wonders why he can’t find a job!”

    https://revolution.news/news/sarah-palin-colin-kaepernick/

    #66577
    snowman
    Participant

    FWIW, the my friends on Facebook who simply had to add their two cents to the whole Kaepernick thing felt he was being disrespectful to the US military. Some of them served, some of them had/have family members who served, others just like to wrap themselves in the flag and call attention to it on social media. They could not see beyond that.

    #66579
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    FWIW, the my friends on Facebook who simply had to add their two cents to the whole Kaepernick thing felt he was being disrespectful to the US military. Some of them served, some of them had/have family members who served, others just like to wrap themselves in the flag and call attention to it on social media. They could not see beyond that.

    Yeah, I hear many people say they thought his actions were disrespectful to the military also. Personally I don’t see it that way, especially when Kaepernick specifically stated why he did what he did and it had nothing to do with the military.

    #66587
    Zooey
    Moderator

    It is awesome how our culture has made patriotism inseparable from blind loyalty to the military. The National Anthem, of course, is about the country, not the military, and as others have pointed out, he specifically stated his protest had nothing to do with the military, and pointed out that he has servicemen in his family. But. Some people cannot do complex ideas.

    #66682
    zn
    Moderator

    Richard Sherman: Kaepernick’s unemployment not about football

    Michael David Smith

    Richard Sherman: Kaepernick’s unemployment not about football

    Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman thinks Colin Kaepernick’s inability to find a team is entirely about his national anthem protest.

    “There was a year Matt Schaub had a pretty rough year and got signed the next year. So it has nothing to do with football,” Sherman said on ESPN. “You can see that. They signed guys who have had off years before.”

    The idea that football has “nothing” to do with Kaepernick’s inability to find a job just doesn’t carry any water. If Sherman thinks Kaepernick’s unemployment is solely about the anthem protest, then how does Sherman explain the tepid interest in Kaepernick when the 49ers made him available for trade last year, before the anthem protest?

    Kaepernick has undeniably declined significantly as a player since he burst onto the scene as the 49ers’ starter in 2012. Over the last two seasons, Kaepernick and Blaine Gabbert have shared time in San Francisco and played approximately equally well, and Gabbert hasn’t been able to find a job, either.

    But it’s also undeniable that a lot of NFL owners, general managers and coaches are conservative people who disagree with Kaepernick’s protest. It’s certainly possible that some of those people would be willing to look past Kaepernick’s on-field struggles but aren’t willing to look past his anthem protest, or his off-field political advocacy.

    Sherman thinks Kaepernick is still better than most starting quarterbacks in the league.

    “You don’t have 32 starting-level quarterbacks in this league,” Sherman said. “You have about eight elites, and then you have the rest of the league. You have about eight, nine elite quarterbacks. You have two or three who have the potential to be elite. And then you have the rest of the teams.

    So he could play and start on a ton of teams in this league. He would be a starter on probably 20 of the teams in this league. But you’re telling me that you’re going to let other guys, you’re going to pick up some of these other guys and tell me that they’re starters?”

    If Kaepernick were really better than 20 teams’ starting quarterbacks, it’s hard to believe not a single one of those teams would be willing to sign him. But Kaepernick is surely at least one of the 64 best quarterbacks in the NFL, which means he should at least be able to get a job as a backup. Yet he remains unemployed.

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