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February 13, 2016 at 6:56 pm #38949znModerator
Detection of gravitational waves marks new era in astronomy
Discovery could be as important as Galileo’s first use of the telescope
Bob McDonald, CBC News
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/bob-mcdonald-gravitational-waves-1.3444263
The announcement this week that elusive gravitational waves have been detected by the LIGO experiment heralds a new era in astronomy that could be as important as Galileo’s first use of the telescope.
The ultra-sensitive LIGO experiment discovered ripples in space-time, caused by the merger of two black holes — an effect that was predicted by Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity 100 years ago.
Einstein’s remarkable vision of space and time as a flexible continuum that can be warped and shaken by gravity, like the surface of a trampoline with kids jumping on it, has been proven true.
The fact that these ripples in space-time exist also means that theories about the formation of black holes, neutron stars, and even the birth and expansion of the universe itself are correct as well.
Perhaps more importantly, gravitational waves could open an entirely new window on the universe that could be as profound as the one opened by Galileo more than 400 years ago.
When he pointed an optical telescope at the heavens, he saw celestial objects such as the moon or Jupiter — which had been viewed as gods by the ancients — transformed into real worlds with mountains, valleys, clouds and weather.
That led to the giant telescopes we see today on mountaintops and in space, which peer out to the very edge of the universe and can track events back to the beginning of time.
In 1931, another window opened when Carl Jansky, a technician with Bell Laboratories, discovered radio waves coming from space. They’re invisible to our eyes, but when caught by radio telescopes, reveal things that don’t show up in optical telescopes.
Radio astronomy showed that what appeared to be ordinary galaxies were actually surrounded by enormous clouds of gas millions of light years across, with more gas shooting out from their centres.
It also discovered bizarre objects, such as pulsars, which are rapidly spinning super-dense stars that send out radio beacons like celestial lighthouses. Even the afterglow of the Big Bang itself has been seen beyond the most distant galaxies — thanks to radio astronomy.
Since then, telescopes have been developed to detect X-rays and Gamma Rays coming from space, with all of these branches of astronomy seeing the universe in a different way and all of them complementing each other.
Now, gravitational waves could herald another revolution in space science, as they become the latest opening to the endlessly fascinating universe.
The waves carry information the same way light and radio waves do, with the advantage that they are not affected by dust in space or clouds that obscure optical instruments.
That means they travel across the universe unchanged, providing pure information about the objects that created them. And the information they carry is about the strangest objects known: black holes, neutron stars, supernovae and other extreme cosmic events.
Perhaps most exciting is the possibility that we will discover, through gravity waves, new kinds of objects or processes we don’t even know exist.
Having a new medium to explore the unknown is like discovering you have a sense of hearing when all you’ve been doing is using your eyes.
In fact, the frequency of gravitational waves is the same as the audio range, so we can listen to the collision of black holes. Who knows what we’ll discover out there, if we really listen carefully.
February 13, 2016 at 8:14 pm #38958MackeyserModeratorImagine our surprise when we find that the universe tastes of Raspberry (ketones found throughout space which gives Raspberry their flavor) and next?
Black hole colliding will sound like an extended Yanni and Kenny G jam. With Japanese drums like Drum Tao playing in the background…
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February 13, 2016 at 8:23 pm #38960znModeratorBlack hole colliding will sound like an extended Yanni and Kenny G jam. With Japanese drums like Drum Tao playing in the background…
But…we already knew that.
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February 14, 2016 at 3:48 pm #38990AgamemnonParticipantFebruary 15, 2016 at 6:17 pm #39043znModeratorEverything You Need To Know About Gravitational Waves
Answers by Peter Graham, Stanford Physics Professor and Gravitational Wave Researcher, on Quora. http://theramshuddle.com/topic/detection-of-gravitational-waves-marks-new-era-in-astronomy/
Q: How important is the discovery of Gravitational Waves?
A: Extremely important! This is surely one of the most important discoveries in physics in the past several decades. It is not even so much the confirmation of the gravitational waves themselves, we were very confident that they existed, it is that we now have the ability to observe the universe using this entirely new spectrum. Everything we currently know about astrophysics and cosmology arose from observations of electromagnetic waves. Gravitational waves give us a new and entirely different source of information. We will learn a great deal about the universe that we could never have learned any other way.
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Q: How did LIGO validate the signal they detected?
A: This is a very important question, and also very complicated. In fact, for the real answer I recommend reading the papers that LIGO put out. Here I can just give some of the basic ideas of how it is done. When looking for such a small signal, it is absolutely crucial not to fool yourself because there is always a lot of noise in such a precise measurement. The LIGO collaboration worked very hard for a long time to make sure that they could claim a detection with confidence when it occurred. There are many possible problems with making such a detection and so LIGO applies many different strategies for dealing with these problems. A few of these are as follows. First they built two detectors, one in Washington and one in Louisiana, and required that both detectors see the same signal at (almost) exactly the same time. This greatly cuts down on the chance that the signal is just coming from random noise. There are very few things besides a gravitational wave that are going to hit both detectors at basically the same time with the same signal. They also work very hard to make sure that each detector has as little noise as possible, and that the level of the noise is well understood. For example, the earth vibrates all the time at a small level and this is a noise source for LIGO so they use impressive mechanical systems, a bit like shock absorbers, to keep their mirrors from feeling these vibrations as much as possible. Even the best laser is not perfect, and will have some noise in it. So they build two baselines in each detector to allow them to subtract off the laser noise that will be comment to both baselines. This is just a small fraction of the number of different noise sources they have considered, calculated carefully, and worked hard to understand and reduce as much as possible. They also use blind analysis techniques to help them make sure that they are not fooling themselves and are estimating their uncertainties correctly. And they spend a long time understanding their detector and the noise in it after they turn it on.
The real answer is much longer than this, and is also crucial for truly being certain that gravitational waves were detected and not just noise. The LIGO collaboration has done a very impressive job on a very difficult measurement. It is their impressive work that has most physicists convinced that we have in fact detected gravitational waves. It is truly an amazing experiment.
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Q: How do I explain to students in the fourth grade what a gravitational wave is, and why its discovery is important?
A: Good question! A gravitational wave is a ripple in space-time. By this we mean that when a gravitational wave passes by us, all the distances appear to oscillate. If it passes between me and you, the distance between us would grow, then shrink again, and so on, oscillating until the wave had passed. We never see this because the gravitational waves that reach earth are so tiny. But if we did have a strong gravitational wave pass through us we would really see this oscillating distance, and it would look really weird!
Their discovery is so important partly because it confirms a key prediction of Einstein’s theory of gravity, called general relativity, which was formulated 100 years ago. But perhaps the main reason the discovery is important is that it opens a new window onto the stars. Gravitational wave detectors are a new kind of telescope that will allow us to learn a great deal more about the universe than we ever could otherwise.
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Q: What impact does the discovery of gravitational waves have on mankind’s future?
A:This is the opening of a new era in our ability to learn about the universe. People have always wondered what else is out there beyond our planet. We have learned a great deal from observing electromagnetic waves. Gravitational waves have the potential to reveal even more. Possibly, in the future, this could even include looking back to some of the earliest moments after the birth of the universe. I believe our understanding of the universe is one of humanity’s greatest accomplishments.
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How much can we learn about black holes from gravitational wave astronomy?
We will likely learn a great deal about black holes from observing gravitational waves. Of course it depends on what we see, how many black holes we can detect and with what significance. But it seems likely that we will learn much more about the number and masses of black holes that are formed, which in turn will tell us more about the formation of black holes and stars in general. We will learn important properties such as their spin, or angular momentum. We could learn about merger rates which may eventually teach us about how the supermassive black holes in centers of galaxies formed. We will also test the assumption that such astrophysical black holes follow the known laws of classical general relativity. By seeing black hole mergers we get a test of whether the physics near the event horizon (so-called strong field gravity) is indeed what we expect from our known laws. It is otherwise very difficult to test gravity in this regime and to know that black holes do indeed follow our predictions. Given how many black holes we expect to be able to observe, it also seems likely that we will learn much that is not yet anticipated about black holes. It is a common pattern that once we have the ability to observe a new system we learn many things that no one expected.
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Peter Graham: How do LIGO scientists know that gravitational wave signal came from two black holes?
Many people had previously calculated what the gravitational wave signals from a large variety of sources would look like. LIGO compares what they see against these “templates” to see which one it matches. Specifically, they look at things like the strength and frequency of the wave and how it changed with time during the event. This exact shape of the signal, or waveform, is then matched to expectations for expected sources such as neutron star binaries or black hole binaries. The expected signals are distinct enough that LIGO can conclude with confidence that they are seeing a black hole binary, and can even get a good measurement of the masses and other properties of the black holes all just from the waveform of the signal.
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February 17, 2016 at 12:20 pm #39143znModeratorI started getting interested in physics—really, it’s physics not science per se—about 10 years ago.
All I do is try to keep up. In the age of the internet, there are many reputable venues out there to keep churning away at keeping up. It has been helped not just by the net, but by the PR surrounding things like this and CERN. The level of discovery taking place right now is kind of amazing. There’s also a long line of documentary-style TV series that introduce this stuff, and I watch them all.
My trick is to always read several sources on anything. I stop at the math, because that loses me. The difference between me and a physicist is that the physicist can do the math. In any event, when reading, if there’s something I don’t get, I just search key terms until I’ve read several things on it. My goal is to be able to explain most of it in my own words and to be able to answer questions about it…up to but not including the math.
I have huge gaps in my knowledge, but at least I can identify them. For example, I know basic stuff about quarks, gluons, and the strong force–the things that make up neutrons and protons—but right now I could not tell you the differences between and among the many different kinds of quarks.
I read a bunch about it every week because I find it fascinating and it’s kind of a pleasurable mental exercise.
Gravitational waves, near as I know now from what the science community knows now, are kind of simple to explain.
Goes like this.
In Einstein’s theories, space/time is actually warped by large masses with gravity. But he didn’t just claim that, he did the math. Very specific parameters are involved. To prove this early in the century, they had to be able to develop telegraphic photography to the point where they could make precise measurements. One way to do that is to wait for a full eclipse of the sun and then measure the positions of the stars that show through around the sun. If Einstein was right about space/time warping, then, they ought to be able to demonstrate that what was photographed—the stars as they appear in the photo–distorts the actual known positions of the stars in question. That is, the gravity of the sun would warp space so that the light from the stars was bent (this is called “gravitational lensing.”) Well early in the century that’s precisely what they found, and more than that, Einstein’s math had predicted the precise extent of the distortion. That is, the stars in question were out of position in the photos to EXACTLY the degree predicted by the theory.
Since then gravitational lensing is taken for granted as a fact of astrophysics.
So given all that, that large masses with heavy gravity distort space time in precisely measurable ways, it also ought to be the case that massive gravitational events–2 black holes merging, 2 neutron stars merging, a supernova explosion—OUGHT TO distort space/time in precisely measurable ways that send waves out from the event in the same way that a pebble thrown into a pond produces waves.
What are those waves? It is literally space/time distorting in a repeated specific way, where the space expands and contracts rhythmically.
The interesting thing about this is that nothing can impede a gravitational wave. It passes right through matter—galaxies, dust, gas, everything. The signal cannot be distorted.
What that means is that whatever info those ways convey comes to us completely pure.
Remember, we have been figuring out the universe and what’s in it based on just one source—electro-magnetic fields. That is, we can SEE things, or even measure things we can’t see with X-Ray and high wavelength measurements. So everything we know about the universe comes from one variation or another of electro-magnetic activity.
NOW there’s a new source of info–gravitational waves. They too carry information. For example the math works out to tell you what it is they just measured—the collision and merger of 2 black holes. From the nature of the waves, the could tell the mass of each black hole. So decoding information from gravitational waves gives us the first way of studying the universe that isn’t based on electro-magnetic fields and electro-magnetic energy and their variations.
It;s the first new way of “seeing” things in the universe, in all human history.
February 21, 2016 at 8:27 pm #39415znModeratorGravitational Waves: 6 Cosmic Questions They Can Tackle
The discovery of ripples in spacetime will vindicate Einstein—but it can also do so much more
By Davide Castelvecchi
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravitational-waves-6-cosmic-questions-they-can-tackle/
When LIGO fought to get US government funding in the early 1990s, its major opponents at congressional hearings were astronomers. “The general view was that LIGO didn’t have much to do with astronomy,” says Clifford Will, a general-relativity theorist at the University of Florida in Gainesville and an early LIGO supporter. But things have changed now, he says.
Welcome to the field of gravitational-wave astronomy: we take a look at the questions and phenomena that it can explore.DO BLACK HOLES ACTUALLY EXIST?
The signal that LIGO is expected to announce on Thursday is rumoured to have been produced by two merging black holes. Such events are the most energetic known; the power of the gravitational waves that they emit can briefly rival that of all the stars in the observable Universe combined.Black-hole mergers are also among the cleanest gravitational-wave signals to interpret.
A black-hole merger occurs when two black holes start to spiral towards each other, radiating energy as gravitational waves. These waves should have a characteristic sound called a chirp, which can be used to measure the masses of the two objects. Next, the black holes actually fuse. “It’s as if you get two soap bubbles so close that they form one bubble. Initially, the bigger bubble is deformed,” says Thibault Damour, a gravity theorist at the Institute of Advanced Scientific Studies near Paris. The resulting single black hole will settle into a perfectly spherical shape, but first it is predicted to radiate gravitational waves in a pattern called a ringdown.
One of the most important scientific consequences of detecting a black-hole merger would be confirmation that black holes really do exist—at least as the perfectly round objects made of pure, empty, warped space-time that are predicted by general relativity. Another would be that mergers proceed as predicted. Astronomers already have plenty of circumstantial evidence for these phenomena, but so far that has come from observations of the stars and super-heated gas that orbit black holes, not of black holes themselves.
“The scientific community, including myself, has become very blasé about black holes. We have taken them for granted,” says Frans Pretorius, a specialist in general-relativity simulations at Princeton University in New Jersey. “But if you think of what an astonishing prediction it is, we really need astonishing evidence.”DO GRAVITATIONAL WAVES TRAVEL AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT?
When scientists start to compare observations from LIGO with those from other types of telescope, one of the first things that they will check is whether the signals arrive at the same time. Physicists hypothesize that gravity is transmitted by particles called gravitons, the gravitational analogue of photons. If, like photons, these particles have no mass, then gravitational waves would travel at the speed of light, matching the prediction of the speed of gravitational waves in classical general relativity. (Their speed can be affected by the accelerating expansion of the Universe, but that should manifest only over distances much greater than LIGO can probe).
But it is possible that gravitons have a slight mass, which would mean that gravitational waves would travel at less than the speed of light. So if, say, LIGO and Virgo were to detect gravitational waves from a cosmic event, and find that the waves took slightly longer to arrive at Earth than the associated burst of γ-rays detected by a more conventional telescope, that could have momentous consequences for fundamental physics.
IS SPACE-TIME MADE OF COSMIC STRINGS?
An even weirder discovery would occur if bursts of gravitational waves were detected coming from ‘cosmic strings’. These hypothetical defects in the curvature of space-time, which may or may not be related to string theory, would be infinitesimally thin but would stretch across cosmic distances. Researchers have predicted that cosmic strings, if they exist, might occasionally develop kinks; if a string snapped, it would suddenly release a burst of gravitational waves, which detectors such as LIGO and Virgo could measure.
ARE NEUTRON STARS RUGGED?
Neutron stars are the remnants of bigger stars that collapsed under their own weight, becoming so dense that they pushed their constituent electrons and protons to fuse into neutrons. Their extreme physics is poorly understood, but gravitational waves could provide unique insights. For example, the intense gravity at their surface tends to make neutron stars almost perfectly spherical. But some researchers have theorized that there could still be ‘mountains’—at most a few millimetres high—that make these dense objects, themselves about 10 kilometres in diameter, slightly asymmetrical. Neutron stars usually spin very rapidly, so the asymmetric distribution of mass would deform space-time and produce a continuous gravitational-wave signal in the shape of a sine wave, which would radiate energy and slow down the star’s spin.
Pairs of neutron stars that orbit each other would also produce a continuous signal. Just like black holes, the stars would spiral into each other and eventually merge, sometimes producing an audible chirp. But their final instants would differ dramatically from those of black holes. “You have a zoo of possibilities, depending on masses and how much pressure neutron-dense matter can exert,” says Pretorius. For example, the resulting merged star could be a huge neutron star, or it could immediately collapse and turn into a black hole.
WHAT MAKES STARS EXPLODE?
Black holes and neutron stars form when massive stars stop shining and collapse in on themselves. Astrophysicists think that this process is what powers a common type of supernova explosion, known as Type II. Simulations of such supernovae have not yet clearly explained what ignites them, but listening to the gravitational-wave bursts that real supernova are expected to produce could help to provide an answer. Depending on what the bursts’ waveforms look like, how loud the bursts are, how frequent they are and how they correlate with the supernovae as seen with electromagnetic telescopes, the data could help to validate or discard various, existing models.
HOW FAST IS THE UNIVERSE EXPANDING?
The expansion of the Universe means that distant objects that are receding from our Galaxy look redder than they really are, because the light that they emit stretches as it travels. Cosmologists estimate the rate of the Universe’s expansion by comparing this redshift of galaxies with how far the galaxies are from us. But that distance is usually gauged from the brightness of ‘Type Ia’ supernovae—a technique that leaves large uncertainties.
If several gravitational-wave detectors across the world detect signals from the same neutron-star merger, together they will be able to provide an estimate of the absolute loudness of the signal, which will reveal how far away the merger occurred. They will also be able to estimate the direction it came from; astronomers could then deduce which galaxy hosted the merger. Comparing that galaxy’s redshift with the distance of the merger as measured by the loudness of the gravitational waves could provide an independent estimate of the rate of cosmic expansion, possibly more accurate than current methods.
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