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May 11, 2015 at 5:48 pm #24444znModerator
Tom Brady Suspended 4 Games, Patriots Docked 2 Draft Picks
http://thebiglead.com/2015/05/11/tom-brady-suspended-4-games-patriots-docked-2-draft-picks/
he NFL has suspended Tom Brady for the first four games of the 2015 season, fined the Patriots $1 million and yanked their 1st round draft pick in the 2016 draft and a 4th round pick in the 2017 Draft in the wake ofDeflateGate.
The suspension will almost certainly be appealed. But as of right now, the 3-time Super Bowl MVP will have to sit out the first four games of the season, which would be against:
vs Pittsburgh, Sept. 10
at Buffalo, Sept. 20
vs Jacksonville, Sept, 27
BYE
at Dallas, Oct. 11thHis first game back, naturally, would be against the Indianapolis Colts on Sunday night football. The NFL really set that one up nicely. A rematch against the Colts! The team that ran a “sting operation” on Brady? On National TV!
That’s assuming his appeal is denied.
May 11, 2015 at 6:11 pm #24445snowmanParticipantI am shocked. I really thought Brady and the Pats would get away with it.
May 11, 2015 at 6:19 pm #24446wvParticipantI am shocked. I really thought Brady and the Pats would get away with it.
Well…they did get to win the Super Bowl.
And I’d favor them to do it again
next year.w
vMay 11, 2015 at 6:32 pm #24448HerzogParticipantI am shocked. I really thought Brady and the Pats would get away with it.
Well…they did get to win the Super Bowl.
And I’d favor them to do it again
next year.w
vYeah, that’s the bottom line isn’t it. They get to keep the fruits of their “labor”. Not that they didn’t get punished. They got punished for spygate too. This really isn’t a deterrent to cheating, which is why it keeps happening to the same organization. I’d be pissed if I was Sean Payton.
May 11, 2015 at 6:55 pm #24450bnwBlockedIt sure helps to have the NFL commissioner in your back pocket.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
May 11, 2015 at 9:23 pm #24451NERamParticipantFrom WV, in another thread –
“Well, Brady got a fourth ring. I doubt
if he even cares that much about missing
some regular season games. He got his Ring,
and he’ll still be around for the Pats usual
playoff run. The money wont matter to him at this point”.
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vAfter going to the big dance on multiple occasions, that’s probably pretty accurate. I was thinking that a 2, 3 or 4 game suspension would not be that big a deal, in and of itself.
From Zooey, same prior thread –
“The reputation will.
He could potentially become a Barry Bonds.
Tom Brady Asterisk”.Here in New England, even some of the staunch Pats diehards are softening a bit. I saw one comment from an individual I know, joking around and saying that Brady could always go into politics. So, yes, there will be an asterisk attached to his legacy, and to some degree, the Patriots legacy. It might not be an actual asterisk in the record books, but the weight and the simple truth of even an implied asterisk will be just as effective for a long time.
Its not been fun up here, surrounded on all sides by NE fans. Winning season after winning season by these guys gets a bit tiresome, lemme tell ya. Its on the national and local TV, newspapers, grocery stores, billboards, at work, in restaurants… geez, ya know?
But now, there is the asterisk. * * * Real or implied, it is there to be used as a small but powerful weapon against these zealots.
I have even come up with my standard response to any Pats fans drivel about how they are still the best, and that these attacks (spy gate and deflate gate ) are just jealous attempts to discredit them.
The raising of the hand in someones face, and saying “Talk to the hand” shall be employed. But, rather than saying “Talk to the hand”, Pats fans are now going to hear me say “Ask the wrist”.
Which, when said rapidly, sounds very much like… *
*Tom Brady
*New England Patriots
Looks pretty good to me.
May 12, 2015 at 9:25 am #24457DakParticipantLet’s see how the appeal goes.
I don’t see a lot of talk about how the Patriots did or did not cooperate with the investigation. I heard something about how their lack of cooperation hurt the organization, but haven’t heard any elaboration.
May 12, 2015 at 1:43 pm #24459HerzogParticipantI find this whole thing surreal. The patriots are not apologetic about this at all. The statement by Kraft was insulting. The gyst of it seemed to be, “you don’t have hard evidence against us, therefore you really didn’t catch us doing anything”. No denial, no apologies, no admission.
It’s almost like they don’t understand why the rest of the world doesn’t just shut up and let them cheat their way to ANOTHER superbowl.
And the obnoxious patriot fans that call this a witch hunt…..I can’t believe the level of denial.
For the Patriots, it’s just the cost of doing business. It reminds me of this old movie I watched. Where this big car company decided not to re-call the cars b/c they calculated the cost of lawsuits (from the families of people that died by their cars) is still less than the cost of fixing all those cars. So they did nothing.
Just the cost of doing business.
May 12, 2015 at 3:25 pm #24466wvParticipantTalk of a lawsuit below. I kinda doubt that happens, once Kraft talks to his lawyers.
I mean, does he really want Tom Brady to undergo depositions under oath? Does
he really want the league lawyers to subpoena Brady’s cell phone….etc.w
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http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/05/12/report-kraft-and-goodell-relationship-pretty-much-dead/FQadhIogizVFbpBockSrYO/story.html?p1=feature_pri_hp
Report: Kraft and Goodell’s relationship ‘pretty much dead’…“I can’t say for certain but it sure seems that way to me,” the owner told Freeman. “Some of us (owners) are waiting a little nervously to see what Robert does next.”
Sports Illustrated’s Greg Bedard, who formerly covered the Patriots for The Boston Globe, corroborated that sentiment, noting that “several people close to Kraft” feel that the Patriots’ owner “sees the investigation and report as an act of disloyalty – the worst offense,” and that in Kraft’s mind, “the league came after Brady over a minor issue that’s not worthy of the time, money and effort poured into it.”
“I really don’t see how Robert is going to get past this with Roger,” a source close to Kraft told Bedard. “Robert was furious with the leaks and the investigation in the first place, but he figured they’d be exonerated. Now he’s out of his mind with anger.”
What Kraft does next could well be to sue the league, which Sports Illustrated and the MMQB’s Peter King thinks is a likely outcome. King told CBS This Morning on Tuesday that his “bet is that [Kraft] will go rogue on this and [King’s] bet is that he will try to appeal this penalty in a court of law.”… see linkw
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May 12, 2015 at 3:35 pm #24469wvParticipantReality check: 14 reactions to Tom Brady’s punishment from around the country
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2015/05/tom_brady_getting_ripped_to_shreds_outside_new_eng.html?p1=takeover
While Patriots fans across New England are digging in their heels in defense of Tom Brady and their favorite team, many NFL reporters, columnists and pundits farther from Foxborough took a different view of the NFL’s discipline in Deflategate….w
vMay 12, 2015 at 3:42 pm #24470bnwBlockedOn appeal I hope Brady gets a year suspension. The NFL is not sport. It’s entertainment. There is a big difference between the two.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
May 12, 2015 at 3:46 pm #24471wvParticipantMay 12, 2015 at 6:17 pm #24473ZooeyModerator4. NBC broadcaster Bob Costas
“I think [Brady] mishandled it with the league, and he also mishandled it in the court of public opinion,” Costas said on the Today show on Tuesday. “Think back, if he just said this: ‘Look, we all look for an edge. I like the football at the lowest possible end of what’s allowable. I communicated that to the equipment guys. If they went a bit overboard, I’m sorry, my bad,’ See you later.”
I think that’s about right.
At the time the story broke, everybody was saying that it didn’t affect the outcome. If Brady had said something like what Costas suggests, the punishment wouldn’t have been as severe, and he would have survived the court of public opinion. I would have still thought he was a liar because I don’t think those equipment guys would have done that without his blessing, but I think most people would have just let it go.
I don’t feel sorry for him. And Kraft can go blow himself. It’s just too bad Belichek isn’t dragged into this more.
But now they are busted TWICE for cheating. It taints their accomplishments. Boston fans can feel victimized all they want, but they will never hear the end of it.
May 12, 2015 at 7:35 pm #24479sdramParticipantToo bad they weren’t all suspended for the season – Brady, Belichek, Kraft, and all the NE fans everywhere. I vote no football in New England this season and make em all walk the plank too the wretched, scurvy, cheatin, low-lifes they be.
What they received is really almost a slap on the wrist considering the amount of money that franchise generates. The only real thing is the suspension which will likely be appealed to two. Seems to me that they’ll save over a million not having to pay a first round draft pick.
May 12, 2015 at 7:40 pm #24481HerzogParticipantToo bad they weren’t all suspended for the season – Brady, Belichek, Kraft, and all the NE fans everywhere. I vote no football in New England this season and make em all walk the plank too the wretched, scurvy, cheatin, low-lifes they be.
What they received is really almost a slap on the wrist considering the amount of money that franchise generates. The only real thing is the suspension which will likely be appealed to two. Seems to me that they’ll save over a million not having to pay a first round draft pick.
New England fans have a decent argument. They HAVE to cheat to make up for the losing a draft pick from the last time they got caught cheating. It all makes sense now.
May 13, 2015 at 12:01 am #24492znModeratorHere’s Ted Wells’ opening statement today:
“I would like to start out by responding to criticisms by Mr. Brady’s agent, Don Yee, about my independence, and his suggestions that the conclusions of the report were somehow influenced by persons in the league office who wanted to find wrongdoing by the Patriots and Mr. Brady.
“The conclusions in the report represent the independent opinions of me personally and my team. And those conclusions were not influenced in any way shape or form by anyone at the league office. We made a fair and reasonable review of the evidence, and we reached conclusions based on the preponderance of the evidence standard, which I was required to apply based on the league’s rules. To the extent Mr. Yee is suggesting that I have some type of conflict because I and my law firm do other work for the NFL, I want to be clear that it is well known that I worked for the NFL in the Miami Dolphins investigation involving Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito. And also that my law firm is involved in representing the NFL in the concussion cases. Those facts were all publicly known at the time I was appointed. When I was appointed to be the independent investigator, no one at the Patriots, or in Mr. Brady’s camp, raised ANY issues about my independence or my integrity to judge the evidence impartially and fairly. In fact, Mr. Kraft, to my recollection, publicly said he welcomed my appointment. I think it is wrong to criticize my independence just because you disagree with my findings.”
May 13, 2015 at 8:42 am #24495wvParticipantHere’s Ted Wells’ opening statement today:
“I would like to start out by responding to criticisms by Mr. Brady’s agent, Don Yee, about my independence, and his suggestions that the conclusions of the report were somehow influenced by persons in the league office who wanted to find wrongdoing by the Patriots and Mr. Brady.
“The conclusions in the report represent the independent opinions of me personally and my team. And those conclusions were not influenced in any way shape or form by anyone at the league office. We made a fair and reasonable review of the evidence, and we reached conclusions based on the preponderance of the evidence standard, which I was required to apply based on the league’s rules. To the extent Mr. Yee is suggesting that I have some type of conflict because I and my law firm do other work for the NFL, I want to be clear that it is well known that I worked for the NFL in the Miami Dolphins investigation involving Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito. And also that my law firm is involved in representing the NFL in the concussion cases. Those facts were all publicly known at the time I was appointed. When I was appointed to be the independent investigator, no one at the Patriots, or in Mr. Brady’s camp, raised ANY issues about my independence or my integrity to judge the evidence impartially and fairly. In fact, Mr. Kraft, to my recollection, publicly said he welcomed my appointment. I think it is wrong to criticize my independence just because you disagree with my findings.”
I’m enjoying the Patriots
mishandling of this.w
vMay 13, 2015 at 9:27 am #24498znModeratorI’m enjoying the Patriots
mishandling of this.w
vI live in Patriot Land. And, they are not registering that they mishandled it. For example, dining out for breakfast this morning, I got to read this:
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Commentary: It’s all about the NFL, not about the deed
The league punishes Tom Brady and the Patriots, not because of what they did but because it’s desperate to show itself as a rock of integrity.http://www.pressherald.com/2015/05/13/commentary-its-all-about-the-nfl-not-about-the-deed/
NEW YORK — The evidence is thoroughly equivocal and the competitive advantage is nowhere to be found, yet the NFL is punishing Tom Brady and the New England Patriots as if they belong in Sing Sing. This case, perhaps more than all the others in the past year, sums up the NFL approach to justice: If you crack down hard enough on the little things, no one will notice the real scoundreling.
The NFL chose the wrong case to throw a book at, but then, the league is always far more worried about appearances than reality. Sure, all smiles. But when Commissioner Roger Goodell, right, needed to show he’s the boss, the merits of the case notwithstanding, Pats quarterback Tom Brady felt the brunt.
Sure, all smiles. But when Commissioner Roger Goodell, right, needed to show he’s the boss, the merits of the case notwithstanding, Pats quarterback Tom Brady felt the brunt.So Brady gets a four-game suspension for undermining “the public confidence” in the NFL over an esoteric and unproven matter of air, and his team is stripped of draft choices and $1 million. I see. And what is Roger Goodell’s punishment for turning the moral underpinning of the league into sand? The NFL is so desperate to look like a rock of integrity after a year of damaging scandals that it has ginned up a case out of literally … nothing. A few whiffs of PSI.
Deflategate would be more of a ‘Gate’ if the league had proven the balls were in fact deflated. But they haven’t. That’s what is so peculiar about this entire deal. The Ted Wells report commissioned by the league is perfectly clear on this point: No one is sure which of two gauges were used to check the pressurization of the balls. The gauges gave significantly different readings; one read much higher than the other and showed the balls were legally inflated.
The referee in charge of checking the footballs, Walt Anderson, is pretty sure he used this gauge. Yet the NFL disregarded this critical point – and the testimony of its own official. Nevertheless the NFL decided the “preponderance of the evidence” showed Brady and the Patriots manipulated game balls. That’s how eager they are to find wrongdoing.
Even harder to find is evidence of harm: The Patriots won the AFC championship game, 45-7. In the first half, with the supposedly softer spheroids, Brady completed just 11 of 21 passes with an interception. In the second half, when everyone agrees the game balls were fully pressurized, the Patriots scored four touchdowns and ran away with the game.
Did Brady attempt to influence how much air was in the ball? Sure. Every quarterback in the league is princess-and-the-pea sensitive to the texture and grip of the ball in his hand, and asks equipment managers to inflate them to their preference. If you dock Brady four games, then you have to dock Aaron Rodgers, too.
Rodgers admitted last season that he “pushes the limit” on how much air is in the ball. Rodgers has large hands and likes an extremely hard ball. He said he tells his equipment guys to “even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take the air out of it.
It’s not cheating. It’s a preference. And it comes with an equalizing downside. If a softer ball is easier to grip, it also decelerates when you throw it, loses velocity and doesn’t travel as far. If it’s overinflated the way Rodgers likes it, then it travels farther, faster.
You want a scandal? Greg Hardy. The defensive end has been caught brutalizing his former girlfriend four times. For this he has been docked just 10 games. Brady gets four games for a whiff of air. Hardy gets 10 games and a new contract with the Dallas Cowboys for serial beatings.
This how it goes in Goodell’s NFL. They throw the book at marijuana tokers to distract from the abominable abuses of NFL doctors when it comes to painkillers. And they throw the book at Brady and the Patriots to rescue the commissioner’s authority after a year during which he misapplied his power in cases of domestic violence and child abuse.
Brady is the league’s attempt to re-establish control over discipline after the Ray Rice fiasco. The commissioner badly compromised the league by giving Rice just two games for socking his wife when he thought no one was looking. But when a video went viral and it turned out everyone was looking, he made the suspension indefinite and tried to make it seem like Rice lied to him. A former judge later found Goodell not credible and ruled he “abused his discretion” in his handling of Rice’s case.
As Brady’s agent, Don Yee, told Fox Sports, “The NFL has a well-documented history of making poor disciplinary decisions that are often overturned when truly independent and neutral judges or arbitrators preside.”
That’s the real root of this matter: The authority of the commissioner’s office has been badly weakened. The union is lobbying hard to have discipline placed into the hands of a neutral arbitrator.
This only makes sense. The owners pay for Goodell’s whopping salary and this creates a conflict of interest. The commissioner is eager to preserve his power. But you don’t establish your authority by handing down a phony hanging-judge sentence in a case that doesn’t merit it. All that does is erode “public confidence” even further.
May 13, 2015 at 12:34 pm #24502HerzogParticipantSo the argument is that the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. Or basically “the crime didn’t really help that much”.
I hate them all.May 13, 2015 at 3:25 pm #24504ZooeyModeratorThe NFL has screwed up a lot of discipline.
That’s true.
And irrelevant.
May 13, 2015 at 5:46 pm #24513nittany ramModerator- This reply was modified 9 years, 6 months ago by nittany ram.
May 13, 2015 at 7:38 pm #24531bnwBlockedThe league punishes Tom Brady and the Patriots, not because of what they did but because it’s desperate to show itself as a rock of integrity.
Then they are ignorant of the meaning of integrity. MLB has integrity. Proving a conspiracy that has helped the passing stats of their QB and greatly lowered the rate of fumbling far below that of the rest of the NFL merits far greater punishment than a 4 game suspension for a proven conspirator who has profited handsomely because of it. What a joke.
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The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
May 13, 2015 at 10:16 pm #24546MackeyserModeratorYes, bnw, that little bit of data is CONVENIENTLY ignored. Moreover, the response is to try and equivocate domestic violence issues with integrity/game violation issues.
Apple? Meet Orange…
Bob Costas was absolutely right. Had Brady simply come clean from the beginning, surrendered the messages, put it off on the equipment guys as over eager, owned his hyper-competitive nature and just said, “my bad”… this would have been a NON ISSUE.
And you know what? The rest of the NFL, including players who hate his guts would have lined up behind him.
But, he didn’t.
It’s Barry Bonds v. Jason Giambi.
Barry Bonds abused steroids…then lied about it and was defiant until the end. Now he’s a punchline.
Jason Giambi came clean right away…”yeah, I did a bunch of steroids. I’m very sorry.” He took his lumps, took his penalty and WAS BACK PLAYING RELATIVELY SOON. Moreover, almost no one slams Giambi relentlessly like they do Bonds, McGwire and other cheaters who belligerently fought the allegations that turned out to be true.
Brady is guilty. The language is what it is because it was crafted by a lawyer preparing a LEGAL document. Those words MEET THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR GUILTY under the Preponderance level in civil cases.
Legal language is NOT the same as “il vulgare”. It cannot be read as a common language. The words in the Wells report are actually quite damning and Yee and Kraft KNOW IT or at least their lawyers should be telling them that.
And unlike in Bountygate, Goodell is NOT the sole judge and jury. Wells was an independent investigator. Troy Vincent was responsible for the administration of punishment. Thus, any bias argument like those alleged by Agent Yee are just silly because those are aimed at Goodell and Troy Vincent made this judgment based on the findings of Wells. Goodell was NOT involved with any of this. So, slamming the Commish is like a stunned fighter just swinging, hoping to hit…something.
The Saints players had GOOD cause to sue Goodell and win. However, as Vilma stated in his texts to Brady in urging him to sue, the very cause which allowed Vilma to sue simply doesn’t exist for Brady.
Worse, the longer Brady and the Patriots fight this, the worse it gets for them.
This whole thing is yet another example of life presenting itself like the Chinese finger trick. The solution is to push one’s two fingers toward one another. No amount of pulling, twisting or resisting of any kind solves this puzzle. The way OUT…is IN. The way towards if not innocence, but maybe mitigation or even minimization is guilt. Admit. Go for it.
Even still. Drop it. Drop it all. Don’t appeal. Bend like a read in the wind and just chalk up this past bit to being hyper-competitive, but admit it. Admit the lie. Apologize. Do NOT mention anyone else. Answer every question. Wait until the last question is the janitor is asking if he can turn off the lights.
Will he listen? No. His agent who has the same good ideas as Greg Stillson did in The Dead Zone, will have him fight this until the bitter end.
What’s a shame is that the end will be more bitter than a rhubarb pulled fresh from the good earth.
Lastly, they need to keep Gronk locked up in Pats HQ. Lord help that guy, he may be one of the best TEs ever and, Bless his heart, but he’s a damned meathead. If ever there were a guy that really needs to be protected from himself and the media, it’s that guy. I’m serious, I wonder if he’s got an IQ above 85. He was on either ESPN or NFL Network and the anchors were just cringing when asked pretty basic questions and his answers were the same as if he were at the Combine… painful to watch, really.
“So, the penalties were just handed down today. What do you think about them and how they affect your team?”
“Yeah, I dunno anything about that. All I can do is go out everyday and be the best football player I can be.” At first, I thought he was doing a Mongo impersonation, from Blazing Saddles, then realized…uh oh… by the squirming of the anchors and his demeanor, he completely was NOT.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
May 14, 2015 at 8:11 am #24566bnwBlockedI disagree with Costas due to the as you put it the “little bit of data” issue. It is the difference between the fluff of public relations and the substance of performance professionally in which integrity is expected. Brady’s performance was enhanced due to his lack of integrity. The NFL is not legally a sport. It is entertainment. Defategate proves better than anything else.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
May 16, 2015 at 1:55 pm #24666znModeratorPatriots haven’t decided whether to appeal
by Mike Florio on May 15, 2015
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/15/patriots-havent-decided-whether-to-appeal/
Patriots quarterback Tom Brady has appealed his four-game suspension arising from his role in the #DeflateGate scandal. The Patriots have not yet filed an appeal of their own.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Patriots haven’t decided whether to challenge the $1 million fine and two lost draft picks, a first-rounder in 2016 and a fourth-rounder in 2017. They have until next Thursday, May 21, to decide whether to file an appeal.
Like Brady’s appeal, a review of the discipline would go to Commissioner Roger Goodell or his designee.
The thinking is that the Patriots will take the full allotment of available time to make a decision. Even if an appeal is filed, it doesn’t mean that the Patriots will pursue litigation later.
It’s far more likely that Brady and the NFL Players Association will pursue litigation, primarily because Goodell won’t be voluntarily stepping aside from personally handling the appeal.
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