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  • in reply to: Grayson, Hundley, Petty, Carden etc. … the qbs this year #17118
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    Senior Bowl week

    best qb? so far a 2 man race between Grayson and Mannon..Petty has struggled with the transition and Carden just looks bad..Grayson and Mannion just look like nfl starting qb’s..

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    Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
    The #Bears are hiring Adam Gase as their offensive coordinator, source said. It’s a 3-year deal.

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    I haven’t even read this yet. So, don’t kill the article poster. s

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    Gordon: Belichick’s critics are indulging in loser talk

    By Jeff Gordon

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/gordon-belichick-s-critics-are-indulging-in-loser-talk/article_e54562d0-6968-5160-94cc-b07ba962e6b5.html

    New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick seeks every possible advantage over his foes.

    This is who he is. This is what he does. Belichick doesn’t make a lot of friends while grinding out victories, but he seems OK with that.

    Earlier in the playoffs the Patriots duped the Baltimore Ravens with a formation ruse, creating mass confusion. Which players were eligible receivers and which weren’t?

    After the game, reporters raised the issue with Patriots quarterback Tom Brady. He dismissed the Ravens’ complaints with the figurative back of his hand.

    “Maybe those guys got to study the rule book and figure it out,” Brady sniffed. “We obviously knew what we were doing, and we made some pretty important plays … I don’t know what’s deceiving about that. They should figure it out.”

    Now we have a big hoo-ha over the (allegedly) deflated footballs the Patriots used on offense during the AFC championship game.

    The weight of the footballs hardly mattered against the Colts. The Patriots won 45-7. They dominated from start to finish.

    The tampering allegations seem irrelevant. The Patriots could have replaced regulation footballs with almost any inanimate object and kept rolling.

    Toaster ovens, clock radios, stuffed wolverines, grandma’s purse … it appeared almost anything would have worked for them against Indianapolis.

    They blocked. They tackled. They imposed their will. The Colts have no beef and neither does anybody else.

    The Patriots haven’t cheated their way to constant contention during Belichick’s reign. They stayed in the chase with brilliant coaching, tremendous quarterback play and a total franchise commitment to winning.

    But the Patriots do have a reputation for pulling shenanigans, most famously in the “Spygate” controversy in 2007. Team operatives videotaped the defensive signals by their opponents and got nabbed.

    The league’s decision to destroy the evidence gathered in that investigation smacked of a cover-up. What exactly was on those tapes? How damning was the evidence?

    Since fans didn’t get to find out, their imaginations ran wild.

    Rams fans will go to their graves believing the Patriots stole Super Bowl XXXVI because the team videotaped coach Mike Martz’s walk-through session at the end of the practice week.

    The Boston Herald reported that allegation in 2008, then walked it back. The Patriots denied the illicit taping and no hard evidence came to light.

    Still, former Rams great Marshall Faulk is among those who have wondered aloud about these allegations, other “Spygate” revelations, the subsequent NFL sanctions and the Patriots’ inability to win a Super Bowl since then.

    “The question is, how did they become a championship team?” Faulk asked WEEI radio this time last year. “Listen, I’m not going to be the only one to say this: Ever since they got fined and, ‘OK, we’re not doing that anymore,’ they’ve won how many Super Bowls?”

    Well, none yet, but it’s not like the Patriots went into the tank after absorbing that league wrist slap.

    Since “Spygate” became all the rage, the Patriots have posted a 99-28 regular-season record. They have won seven AFC East Division titles, eight playoff games and three AFC championships.

    Since that fateful Super Bowl XXXVI in New Orleans, the Patriots have only missed the playoffs twice. Such success in the parity-driven NFL is astounding.

    Just ask the Rams. They have only made the playoffs twice since that game, and one of those excursions came after an 8-8 season.

    Things turned bad for them in 2005 and stayed bad. While the Patriots kept winning, the Rams went 6-10, 8-8, 3-13. 2-14, 1-15, 7-9, 2-14, 7-8-1, 7-9 and 6-10 in consecutive seasons.

    That Super Bowl XXXVI loss seemed to break Martz as a head coach. He waited too long to make adjustments to New England’s aggressive pass coverage.

    His players made too many big mistakes. Their big comeback started too late. The loss crushed him.

    Martz began unraveling, as did the “Greatest Show on Turf.” He exited the Rams during the 2005 season and never got to run his own team again.

    (Perhaps Martz can revive his career in Cleveland if the Browns bring him on board as offensive coordinator. Imagine him working with quarterback Johnny Manziel. Mad Mike + Johnny Football = endless entertainment!)

    After Martz’s demise at Rams Park, Joe Vitt, Scott Linehan, Jim Haslett, Steve Spagnuolo and Jeff Fisher took their turns failing.

    Meanwhile the Patriots just kept winning. Folks can question the legitimacy of that sustained success, but that’s just loser talk.

    Belichick is the NFL’s best coach. He keeps winning while operating on his own terms.

    He dresses for games like he is headed to a Dumpster dive. His dour public countenance reinforces his cold-blooded manner.

    The cocksure Brady gives him the ultimate advantage. Other players come and go, assistant coaches come and go, personnel guys come and go, but Belichick just keeps winning.

    Now the hooded genius is headed back to the Super Bowl stage. He will stand in the media glare and glare right back.

    Somebody will ask about deflated footballs and cheating and integrity. Belichick will utter a non-answer or two.

    Then he will go right back to work, looking for the edge.

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    If they were both playing with deflated balls how did one team have an advantage?

    This doesn’t really answer your question. Just more info.

    Mark Brunell discusses the advantage of using a football that is underinflated and what he preferred to use when he played.

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:12203979

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    Love how McDonald, McLeod and Barron hit.

    Just wish they could cover a little (or a lot) better.

    Agreed.

    Wms got the most outta those guys that can be got.

    I think though that they need someone who is a step up from McCleod.

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    Give the Devil his due.

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    Yeah. Allow him to introduce himself.

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    Rams were lucky last time to get an experienced coordinator.

    There just aren’t that many in the market at any given time, cause, they aren’t there unless they get fired.

    But then, experienced coordinators once weren’t. Once, they were position coaches that got promoted into new jobs.

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    You ask me to keep it fun when I have people like 21Dog is known to make negative comments on anything I post. Including comments about an obviously qualified person such as Lee Steinberg who respected by many. Or did you not read 21Dog’s comments.
    Keeping it fun goes both ways.

    Grits

    Well, the negative comments we want to watch out for are about other posters.

    We all have to live with other posters making negative comments about players, coaches, writers, and public figures that we, as individuals, often like or respect. But people have a right to say those things. What we do in response is just disagree. So for example, “hey poster X, you say LS is a windbag, I say he is a respected public figure.” ‘

    I know it can be a fine line sometimes.

    BTW I hope I deleted the right post? (?) (As per your request).

    Overall btw I think the discussions are holding up when it comes to civility and mutual respect. And I should add here, Grits, that you make a lot of unique good contributions to the board, like the eulogies to Rams players who have passed on, among other things.

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    Laram – on Olson

    He did some very nice things taking over for Linny when he was here.

    He showed better patience and balance, and IMO THAT was one of the best Rams offenses in many years.

    Less error prone and more of what I wished the GSOE would have been.

    People love that offense for the sizzle, but I would take the 2006 offense if I wanted to win championships.

    Wish him well.

    You know, I agree with all of that. Jackson’s best games as a Ram, too.

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    Rams ready to ‘shop’ at Senior Bowl

    By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-ready-to-shop-at-senior-bowl/article_72a91c35-0b09-5fd4-bdf6-3e0ac155d7cc.html

    The Rams have done a fair amount of “shopping” at the Senior Bowl since general manager Les Snead and coach Jeff Fisher took over the program in 2012.

    Among the Senior Bowl players the team ended up drafting are defensive tackle Aaron Donald, safety T.J. McDonald, cornerback Janoris Jenkins, wide receiver Brian Quick and running back Isaiah Pead. Obviously, some have worked out better than others.

    “Never do you have a preference for a senior,” Snead said. “I think though, when you take a senior vs. a younger kid, you usually know that senior is probably gonna be more ready to play than the younger kid.

    “Now there’s a lot of young kids (underclassmen) coming out. We see the names every day. So you better be able to work it both ways.”

    But the approach in player development usually differs between the drafted senior as compared to the drafted underclassmen.

    “I’ve used this example many times in Aaron (Donald) and Greg (Robinson); Greg being a redshirt sophomore, Aaron being a four-year starter,” Snead said.

    In essence, Donald started twice as many college games as Robinson, and partly as a result of that extra college experience arrived in the NFL as a more polished product.

    “Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take Greg,” Snead said. “It just means Greg’s gonna learn some of the things that Aaron learned in those (last two seasons in college) out here in the NFL. So you just have to have a different plan for success. Historically, I think seniors are more mentally mature and ready than the younger kids.”

    In the case of Senior Bowl alums Donald, Jenkins and McDonald, for example, all came into the NFL as day one starters. But early success obviously isn’t an absolute for seniors. It took Quick until his third NFL season to blossom into an opening-day starter.

    As the draft evaluation process hits high gear in Mobile, Ala., annual site of the Senior Bowl, the Rams already have their draft board trimmed to fewer than 500 prospects.

    It was set for the first time last summer and trimmed down and altered in December. There will be a re-set of sorts after this month’s college all-star games, and another after the NFL scouting combine in late February. And then one final one in the spring after the campus pro days and private workouts.

    Usually, the December board turns out to be the most accurate, Snead said, only half-joking.

    “Because — guess what? — that’s them playing football,” he said.

    In contrast, the combine and pro days and private workouts are all about stopwatches, agility drills and interviews. At least at the Senior Bowl, and the few other college all-star events, players are getting after each other in practice and playing a game at the end of the week.

    As the most prestigious of the all-star games in terms of getting better talent, the Senior Bowl is a valuable measuring stick.

    “They get to go compete against guys that are gonna be in the NFL,” Snead said. “So you get to go and see their competitiveness.”

    You see wide receivers work against press coverage, something that doesn’t happen much in college. Running backs working on blitz pickup and catching passes out of the backfield.

    And quarterbacks from spread offenses lining up under center and throwing into windows that are already tighter than what they saw most of the time in college.

    As the Fisher-Snead regime prepares for its fourth season in St. Louis, Snead said the Rams’ personnel department and coaching staff have a sense for what the Rams’ roster is and isn’t.

    “You’ve got a good feel now for who they are, what our strengths are, what our weaknesses are,” he said. “What players’ roles are. So it gets a little, probably, clearer to say, ‘Hey, we’ve got specific needs. Let’s go address that.’”

    So it’s less about amassing quantity, which was one of the goals of the Robert Griffin III trade — to replenish a talent-depleted roster — and more about addressing specific needs on a roster that in general has fewer holes than a year, or two, or three years ago.

    And with only five picks at the moment — the team could be awarded an extra compensatory pick or two at the owners meetings in March — the Rams need to hit on most of those picks.

    One of the biggest needs obviously is a quarterback, and there should be some intriguing possibilities at the Senior Bowl even though it’s not regarded as a strong or deep draft at the position.

    Baylor’s Bryce Petter, Oregon State’s Sean Mannion, Colorado State’s Garrett Grayson and East Carolina’s Shane Carden are among the QBs expected to attend.

    The Rams almost certainly will be looking at the offensive line once again, particularly on the interior, but also at the tackle position.

    Then again, this could be the year where someone like Donald stands out at the Senior Bowl. On paper, defensive tackle didn’t shape up as a huge position of need for the Rams a year ago. But the Rams certainly aren’t sorry they made that pick.

    The lone University of Missouri participant this year is defensive end Markus Golden, who could be a first-round selection.

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    Brady and Belli are as good as it gets at their jobs. Everyone else on that team can stay or go, but those two are the heart and soul.

    Or, the primary processing center and the practical execution implementer.

    Just sounds better, in this one case, than “heart” and “soul”….

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    The Salas pick went to Atlanta as part of the Ogletree trade.

    I stand corrected. I looked it up, you’re right. Now I have to change the original post.

    http://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Years/2015.htm

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    he can design plays that GET guys open and even better, got them open on the move. And we NEED that because Schotty couldn’t.

    You and I differ on Schott, though not on Chudzinski. I think C is everything you say he is. I would say Schott could get receivers open when he had receivers and a qb. Unfortunately, it wasn’t that often he had both. By far the best WRs he had were in 2014, and he didn’t have the qb. Buy far the best qb he had was Bradford, but in 2013 they had little or nothing and in 2012 they had Gibson and Amendola. What Schott showed me in 2012 was as little as he had DA, he used him better than anyone has before and since, and was even getting him long balls deep.

    Last year even with Davis and Hill, you put their numbers up combined, according to PFF the Davis/Hill qb would be 9th in the league in attempts of 20 yards or more. So there’s a vertical game to Schott…when he has the qb and a WR.

    But that’s the past. Just an interesting difference of opinion.

    Chud would be good. In fact the way you put all that, I think the offense wouldn’t be that different from what they’ve had.

    At the same time, nothing in Van Pelt makes me wary of him, and I like his graduate school degree (ie. coaching for McCarthy).

    There are only so many experienced coordinators available. Most experienced coordinators were once position coaches who got promoted. It’s just that when it comes to this part of it, we as fans know far less. So it’s harder to assess it.

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    Have those two teams played recently?

    2012. Same year as the Rams played the AFC East.

    Game was in Seattle. Seahawks won 24-23 on a last minute TD (Wilson to Rice). They came back from being down 23-10 with 8 minutes remaining.

    Now remember, this superbowl is more interesting for you than it is for Rams fans.

    The superbowl is different if it’s your 2 favorite teams.

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    Rams set for Senior Bowl week

    By Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/15535/rams-set-for-senior-bowl-week

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — Whether it’s a coincidence or not, the St. Louis Rams have become big proponents of using the offseason’s biggest all-star game as a finding ground for a number of their draft picks.

    This week’s Senior Bowl, set to take place again in Mobile, Alabama, is the most well-known game of the all-star season and has proved in the past three years to be a popular place for the Rams to nail down evaluations of players.

    General manager Les Snead said that isn’t necessarily by design but also doesn’t deny that drafting talented seniors can help get results a little faster.

    “Never do you have preference for a senior,” Snead said. “I think when you take a senior versus a younger kid, usually you know that senior is probably going to be more ready to play than the younger kid. There’s a lot of young kids coming out and you see the names every day. So you better be able to work it both ways. I think the development plan for success is different for each one.”

    In the three years with Snead as the general manager and Jeff Fisher as coach, the Rams have actually struck a balance between taking more polished seniors and grabbing younger players with upside. They have erred toward upside on players like offensive tackle Greg Robinson and defensive tackle Michael Brockers but they’ve also drafted former Senior Bowlers such as receiver Brian Quick, cornerback Janoris Jenkins, running back Isaiah Pead, safety T.J. McDonald and, the biggest prize of all in defensive tackle Aaron Donald.

    Although Robinson went 11 spots higher than Donald in the draft, the Rams knew they were getting a much more polished product in Donald, something that was exceedingly clear when Donald dominated the 2014 Senior Bowl.

    “Greg being a redshirt sophomore, Aaron being a four year starter, they’re really only one year apart, I don’t know the calendar age but Greg got redshirted, started let’s call it 24 games,” Snead said. “Aaron didn’t get redshirted, started 48 games and he got 24 more starts than Greg. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take Greg. It means Greg is going to learn some of the things Aaron learned in those last 24 out here in the NFL so you have just got to have a different plan for success. Historically, I think seniors are more mentally mature than the younger kids.”

    This year, the Rams once again head to the Senior Bowl with a preliminary draft board in place. Obviously, the scouting staff has been working all year on many of those who will play in Mobile but the week offers a chance for the coaches to get a first look at some top prospects and some lesser-known prospects an opportunity to perform against better competition.

    According to Snead, the Rams have already narrowed their board of players to less than 500 following the December meetings in which the area scouts return to town and start sifting through prospects with Snead. Coincidentally, Snead finds that the initial board they have now is often more accurate than ones that will come later after things like the scouting combine.

    “You’re always doing studies on where’d you have him and how did he turn out?” Snead said. “We set it in the summer for the first time then December we come back and do a little bit of a reset and then maybe post-all-star, post-combine then we go through the spring and then one final [board]. So you analyze how you do your boards, usually the one in December is where you’re right because that’s them playing football.”

    This Senior Bowl should have the Rams taking a closer look at the quarterbacks and offensive linemen in place. Oregon State’s Sean Mannion, East Carolina’s Shane Carden, Baylor’s Bryce Petty, Alabama’s Blake Sims, Colorado State’s Garrett Grayson and Auburn’s Nick Marshall are the six signal-callers in place. None are expected to be first-round choices but any could emerge as an intriguing option for a team like the Rams later on.

    All told, even if the Senior Bowl isn’t the end all, be all for the Rams’ evaluation efforts, it is an important piece in the process.

    “The Senior Bowl is really good,” Snead said. “Seniors, they get to go compete against guys that are going to be in the NFL so you get to see their competitiveness. Let’s talk wide receivers. A lot of times, they are not getting pressed in college. In this game you get to go see them press. It doesn’t mean that will be a deal breaker but you can see how they get off the press, how far is he away to get off so there’s things you can see at the Senior Bowl that all of a sudden these kids coming from the college offenses haven’t done. A lot of times you don’t do that in college. That’s what the Senior Bowl is to me.”

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    Checking in on Rams’ offensive coordinator search

    By Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/15539/checking-in-on-rams-offensive-coordinator-search

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — Real, tangible news on the St. Louis Rams’ search for an offensive coordinator has been difficult to uncover.

    That’s probably by the design of head coach Jeff Fisher, who surprised many last year when he and Gregg Williams solved whatever issues they had and reunited in St. Louis after Fisher relieved Tim Walton of his defensive coordinator duties.

    After Brian Schottenheimer departed for the offensive coordinator job at Georgia, I wrote in this space that it’s probably best not to expect Fisher’s search to play out publicly or swiftly. That isn’t how he’s handled things in the past, and it again doesn’t appear to be the case this time around.

    Schottenheimer’s departure came nearly two weeks ago, and to this point it’s been hard to confirm any actual interviews taking place, though we do know of a few names the Rams have shown interest in or spoken to in some capacity. That list includes Greg Roman, Kyle Shanahan, Nathaniel Hackett and Adam Gase.

    Roman never made it to a Rams interview, taking the coordinator job in Buffalo. The Rams requested an interview with Gase, but it’s unknown if that will happen. He’s received similar overtures from Atlanta, Jacksonville, Oakland and Chicago and interviewed for the head-coaching job in Denver, so he has no shortage of options. It appears he’s also going to be a strong candidate in Baltimore after Gary Kubiak moves on to Denver and Jacksonville is in better position than many might realize after Gase interviewed there Sunday. Gase has family in the Jacksonville area.

    Shanahan is a name that has obvious ties to Fisher, but he looks to be headed to Atlanta with Dan Quinn if and when the Falcons hire Quinn as head coach. That can’t officially happen until after the Super Bowl but the Falcons can hire Shanahan before then.

    A few others to keep an eye on include an in-house candidate in tight ends coach Rob Boras and Indianapolis special assistant Rob Chudzinski. Chudzinski is also expected to be a factor in San Francisco’s search but NFL Network reported Monday morning that the Rams have asked for permission to interview Chudzinski. It was also thought that Fisher might have a surprise candidate or two up his sleeve in the form of a current position coach somewhere in the league. According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Rams have requested permission to talk to Green Bay quarterback coach Alex Van Pelt, who would fit that bill.

    It’s possible more clarity could come this week as the Rams head to the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama. It’s a place where plenty of NFL business gets taken care of, so even if the Rams don’t nail down their next coordinator, other dominoes could fall that might ultimately help render a decision.

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    Rams want to interview Van Pelt, Chudzinski for OC job

    By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-report/rams-want-to-interview-van-pelt-chudzinski-for-oc-job/article_ff597024-7927-53f8-9411-c5d793a05450.html

    The Rams’ deliberate search for an offensive coordinator picked up pace Monday when the team requested permission to interview a pair of candidates whose teams were eliminated Sunday in the NFL’s conference championships games.

    The Rams sent in a request on Green Bay quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt, and also on Rob Chudzinski, who was special assistant to head coach Chuck Pagano in Indianapolis.

    Chudzinski, 46, was head coach of the Cleveland Browns in 2013 and has had previous NFL stints with Carolina, San Diego and the Browns as an assistant.

    Van Pelt, 44, has spent the past three seasons with the Packers, having also worked for Buffalo and Tampa Bay.

    Monday’s developments bring to five the number of known candidates the Rams have either sought permission or been granted permission to interview. Two of them, Greg Roman (to Buffalo) and Kyle Shanahan (to Atlanta), have taken jobs elsewhere. Denver’s Adam Gase is the other candidate, but he remains in the mix in Baltimore, Jacksonville, and Chicago.

    Greg Olson, most recently with Oakland, and Nathaniel Hackett, most recently with Buffalo, also remain possibilities for the offensive coordinator job that opened when Brian Schottenheimer left to take the same position in the college ranks at Georgia earlier this month.

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    working with mccarthy is what would be most appealing to me. he was also the running backs coach before moving to qbs.

    i don’t know. i look for something to stand out about him but i don’t see much.

    He worked for McCarthy.

    Good pedigree.

    The truth is, most fans like us, when it comes to discussing most coordinator hires–mostly the ones where a position coach gets promoted (like Martz)–we have no clue one way or another. It’s what we’re least good at discussing.

    I remember when Vermeil hired Martz. A lot of guys were like “who?”

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    Chudzinski is a fan darling. He’s the better known commodity.

    The positive spin on Van Pelt:

    This would be a promotion, from position coach to coordinator. That’s a typical thing. There are only so many out of work experienced coordinators.

    He was only a coordinator for one year.

    I don’t look at offensive rankings for coordinators. As often as not it’s misleading out of context.

    He has been the qb coach in Green bay, after having other positions before that. That means his most recent run is as an assistant to McCarthy in Green Bay, and there is nothing bad about THAT.

    It also means he’s a WCO guy, probably. From the looks of things he ran a WCO in Buffalo his one year as a coordinator. So yeah he’s a WCO guy.

    Josh Freeman was pretty promising in Tampa when he was the Bux qb coach.

    Maybe working with Aaron Rodgers makes them good candidates?

    It’s more like McCarthy has a good eye for offensive coaching talent. Plus, the Rodgers part is irrelevant. It’s working with McCarthy that makes them interesting.

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    and what qb would make the rams a 13-3 team with that oline?

    I think it’s OL injuries, not the OL itself. Either way they gonna fix it.

    But yeah that’s part of the point. No qb makes the Rams 13-3 last year.

    Bradford would have made them a winning team though. So would Wilson. Just for different reasons.

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    I had an enjoyable 58:30 of that game. Leaving 4-8 points off the scoreboard killed the Packers.

    Yeah that was not how I was hoping it would go.

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    Except Rodgers is now 40-2 after having a 16-0 lead. Wilson got it done again. Did it with his feet and arm. Plus luck. That third round pick puts our first overall pick to miserable shame.

    Well except it wasn’t Rodgers v. Wilson.

    Rodgers played well on the road, in the league’s most hostile home venue, against the league’s top defense, and did it injured. There’s no shame there.

    Wilson’s team kept them afloat long enough for the OT to count, but it took a fake field goal to get it going.

    Rodgers outplayed Wilson in virtually every respect as a qb, but Seattle outplayed Green Bay.

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    If there was ever a game where one team “lost” the game as opposed to another team “winning” it this was the one. The Packers beat up and led the Wilson led Hawks for 90% of the game. They “lost” it at the end of the game because of 3 critical plays. 1) the unfathomable lay down after the interception; 2) the failure to hold onto the onside kick; 3) the unbelievable failure of the defender to play the desperate two point pass. A different result in any ONE of those results in a Packers win.

    Wilson can and should be congratulated for about 5 minutes of his play today. But he was totally outplayed by a gimpy Rogers.

    I am not a Wilson hater. I applaud him not just for the good games he played this year but for the great games. My issue is with the “luck” of Carroll and the manner in which the Pack “lost” the game. IMO this was not a great “comeback” but more of a complete breakdown at the end of the game by the Packers. Nevertheless, the Hawks final drives in regulation time and in OT were precise and they have to be credited for that. Certainly Wilson was a significant part of that. I am actually a Wilson fan but as you might tell I am not a Carroll fan. IMO his team didn’t win the game the other team lost it. As much as I like Wilson I don’t see him through rose colored glasses and I do want Belichick to beat Carroll-not so much because I like Belichick but more so because of my feelings toward the frat guy.

    Simply put, as much a fan of Wilson as I am I don’t give him as much credit as some do for the Packer’s loss yesterday. But I’m still a fan of his and have tremendous respect for his talent.

    Assuming the Patriots win this evening I will be shocked if they can’t beat the Hawks in the SB.

    And give him the Rams and the Rams O line Wilson does not make the Rams a 13-3 team. He didn’t even do that with a far better Seattle team.

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    I would say at this moment, with the Patz up 38-7 after Blunt’s TD, that the chances of a Packers/Colts superbowl are diminishing rapidly.

    Just thought I would get that out there.

    in reply to: Seattle doing nothing so far (he said in the 1st half) #16824
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    Bostick should be put on suicide watch.

    Or “summary justice” watch.

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    We’ll wait a bit on that.

    Seems you were right.

    That complicates things.

    Or, not.

    Spoke too soon.

    Overtime. s

    in reply to: Seattle doing nothing so far (he said in the 1st half) #16820
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    We jinxed it I am afraid.

    in reply to: Predicting the 2 championship game winners #16818
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    Might I choose my own pike? A black walnut one won’t clash with the color of my hair.

    We’ll wait a bit on that.

    Seems you were right.

    That complicates things.

    in reply to: Seattle doing nothing so far (he said in the 1st half) #16814
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    not quite this bad though.

    i mean this has to be some sort of career worst for him.

    Yeah

    in reply to: Seattle doing nothing so far (he said in the 1st half) #16812
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    Seattle learns a lesson from St. Louis. Fake FG.

    i’m shocked wilson is playing so badly. it seems like he’s under a lot of pressure though

    Rams have done this to him before. Contain him in the pocket and he ain’t quite the same.

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