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August 16, 2017 at 3:20 pm in reply to: WV, did you see the Nation article by Patrick Lawrence? #72650
wvParticipantOn your point number two:
2) I dont really give a shit if it was a leak or a hack — I’m WAAAAAY more interested in the SUBSTANCE OF THE EMAILS.
Ie, what they show about the amerikan corporotacracy. To ‘me’ the important story is about WHAT THE EMAILS SHOW, and not how the emails got published. The way i see it, the DEMS (brilliantly) were able to distract the public from the substance of the emails with their “Russians did it!” strategy.Were they really brilliant, though? Cuz no other subject was in the media as much as her emails. They dominated, even more so than Trump’s Hollywood tapes. And the coverage of those emails was very negative. I don’t think the Dems succeeded in distracting the country at all.
In fact, I think the email scandal was a big part of her downfall. I also don’t think they showed the Dems being anything more than your run of the mill political party. The actual emails. I found nothing particularly, uniquely awful about them, though the attempts by the GOP to exaggerate their substance, via distortion and paraphrase, made them sound like the worst thing evah. To me, they were business as usual, and I would be shocked if email chains from the GOP weren’t at least as bad.
No defense of the Dems. Or the GOP. I detest both parties and honestly wish they’d go away. I don’t see either as legitimate, as we’ve discussed before. Chomsky’s concept of power needing to justify itself. They haven’t. Quite the opposite. The duopoly has proven it’s incapable of governing in a way that represents all of us. I agree with Thomas Frank that the Dems basically are all in for the richest 10%, at their best, and the GOP for the richest 1%.
So, yeah, both parties are disgusting, with a long, long history of being disgusting. Which is why I’m kind of baffled at the anger regarding those emails. I also don’t want wikileaks choosing sides like it did. If they want to shine a light on our political system, point it on both parties or stay out of it. It paints a false picture to do just one, IMO. Even worse, to point it on our politics and not the folks who pull the strings: the plutocratic class.
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Well i tend to agree that Assange ‘chose sides’. He says he didnt. He says he just didnt have any bad stuff on Trump. Which i find hard to believe 🙂
Even when he called Hillary vs Trump a choice between Cholera and Gonorrhea, it seems to me Cholera is worse 🙂As far as you not finding anything surprising in the emails — i wouldnt expect YOU to find anything surprising in them. I didnt either. Informed, critical-thinking leftists wouldnt find anything surprising. But there aint many of us, BT. If there WERE, Bernie woulda won the primary and Jill woulda won the general election.
But the emails could have been a powerful awakening-tool regarding the masses. And i dont agree that the ‘liberal’-MSM did much to explain what was in them. The rightwing-MSM of course spent a lot of time on them, but no rightwinger was gonna vote for Hillary anyway.
All in all, i see the Russia story as a Dem/Dem-MSM tactic to distract people from inequality and class issues, and to beat the Repugnants in the next election. Thats all i see. More or less. I know you and zn disagree strongly. Fair enough. No big thing.
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vwvParticipantThe usual Trump stuff. Surreal as per usual. Words fail.
…oh and btw, fwiw, notice how the headline is anti-russian. They ‘coulda’ said CIA in that headline — naturally they went with KGB…ok, ok, i’ll shut up…
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KGB:https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/08/15/scott-pruitt-turning-epa-kgb
Scott Pruitt Is Turning the EPA into the KGB
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Alex FormuzisScott Pruitt, polluters’ puppet and head of the Environmental Protection Agency, knows most Americans are strongly opposed to his anti-public health, anti-kids, anti-science agenda. That’s why he does all he can to hide it.
A devastating report in The New York Times details the extraordinary and unprecedented steps Pruitt is taking to keep secret his efforts to roll back decades of progress on drinking water and air quality, toxic chemicals in consumer products, and environmental justice. Among the revelations uncovered by reporters Coral Davenport and Eric Lipton:
According to current EPA employees, when summoned to meetings with Administrator Pruitt, staff must “have an escort to gain entrance” to his office, are “told to leave behind their cellphones” and “are sometimes told not to take notes.”
Wherever he goes, “even at E.P.A. headquarters,” Pruitt is “accompanied by armed guards, the first head of the agency to ever request round-the-clock security.”
In an apparent effort to block any trail of communications with industry officials that could be captured in a Freedom of Information Act, or FOIA, request, Pruitt “often makes important phone calls from other offices rather than use the phone in his office.”The inescapable conclusion, says David Roberts of Vox, is that Pruitt’s stealth is “the only approach possible to advance an agenda that is unpopular and intellectually indefensible.”
The Times reports that in the last two months, the EPA “has received more than 2,000 Freedom of Information requests, many of them focused on Mr. Pruitt, asking for every possible record related to his tenure, including text messages, telephone records and even his web browsing history.”
EWG and our colleagues at American Oversight are among the public interest groups that have filed many of the FOIAs seeking details about Pruitt’s communications with polluters.
In April, EWG and American Oversight filed a FOIA with the EPA and the Department of Agriculture, demanding all communications between agency officials, pesticide manufacturers, and outside groups that have advocated for the continued use of chlorpyrifos – a neurotoxic pesticide known to cause brain damage in children – on food crops. This came in response to Pruitt’s alarming decision to summarily reverse a scheduled ban of the pesticide that was set into motion by the Obama administration. In June, EWG and American Oversight filed a lawsuit against Pruitt and the EPA for failing to produce those records….see link…
August 16, 2017 at 1:57 pm in reply to: car drives into counter-protestors in charlottesville #72639wvParticipantWell, I would not ‘dismiss’ the anti-statue protests. Or the anti-confed-flag protests. But I am concerned that the leftist movements or whatever we wanna call them, are spending a lot of time on symbolic stuff (because its easier) rather than on ‘structural’ stuff (cause its harder to do and harder to understand).
But i would definitely not tell an activist ‘dont’ protest about statues or whatever. Inside my head, i would be shaking my head though.
Essentially, i am saying the left is in a sad state. I dont think enough americans ‘get it’. The big picture, ie. I’m saying there has been a great failure. A failure of the left to educate and organize. Not enough leftists ‘get’ the corporotacracy. They ‘get’ the statue-issues.
Im not ‘blaming’ people for this state of affairs. The people are a reflection of the power of the corporotacracy.
I’m all for alliances. Maybe things will get better. Bernie’s popularity is indeed a sign of hope. The power of the DNC and the REP Party is a sign that hope is…a long shot. We shall bash on relentlessy though, anyway, wont we 🙂
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August 16, 2017 at 1:33 pm in reply to: WV, did you see the Nation article by Patrick Lawrence? #72637wvParticipantI cant read it BT, because the Nation sez I’ve read 3 articles and thats all they will allow me to read without…doin somethin.
My own view as ive said though iz still:
1) I think the DNC emails were leaked from a DNC insider and given to Assange. I dont think any Russian involvement has been demonstrated. I dont think there was a hack. I’m always open to new evidence though.
2) I dont really give a shit if it was a leak or a hack — I’m WAAAAAY more interested in the SUBSTANCE OF THE EMAILS.
Ie, what they show about the amerikan corporotacracy. To ‘me’ the important story is about WHAT THE EMAILS SHOW, and not how the emails got published. The way i see it, the DEMS (brilliantly) were able to distract the public from the substance of the emails with their “Russians did it!” strategy.As for me, I am GLAD they were ‘stolen’. Fuck the Dems. I’m glad wikileaks published them. I think Amerika has become a deep-state with too many secrets. We cant even come CLOSE to bein a democracy with so many secrets and secret-spy-agencies running things. The Dems and Reps are CRIMINAL organizations in my view. Corporate-Gangs. Biosphere-destroyers. I could go on. And on. And on…with my rant… 🙂
3) Yes, i agree, lots of foreign powers try to influence elections. I have no doubt russia is ONE of those foreign powers that try to influence American phoney-elections. (How can we even call them elections anymore?) I would be shocked if they were the only foreign power to do so. Israel has its own methods for influencing American elections — Money. Apparently Israel’s way is nice and ‘legal’ though. Etc, and so forth.
4) Of the corporate-gangs in the world I think russia is less harmful than amerika. That has nothing to do with the hacking issue, I’m just tossing it out there. I’m hopeless, i know. i have no tolerance for the corporotacracy anymore 🙂
5) Sammy Watkins in horns makes me very happy.
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vAugust 16, 2017 at 10:02 am in reply to: car drives into counter-protestors in charlottesville #72629wvParticipantTrump has a point about the statues. The statue issue is interesting to me. I ‘hope’ people are not focusing on statues. I ‘hope’ they are focusing on drug laws, health care, inequality-POLICIES, education, etc.
Knocking down statues is easy though. Maybe its the only thing people feel they can do.
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link:http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/trump-says-there-were-very-fine-people-on-both-sides-in-charlottesville/Trump Says There Were “Very Fine People on Both Sides” in Charlottesville
At a press conference, the president refused to blame the violence on white nationalists and Nazis.….“What about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, alt-right?” Trump also remarked. “Do they have any semblance of guilt?”
The president appeared to criticize the movement to remove Confederate statues—wondering aloud how far proponents of the removals would go. “Was George Washington a slave owner?” he asked. “Are we going to take down statues to George Washington? What about Thomas Jefferson?”
Well, it’s not so easy in the South. Public sector workers received death threats when word went out they were going to remove statues in Louisiana, and they had to do so at night, with snipers on tops of buildings to protect them.
And in some Southern states, GOP legislators have made it illegal to remove them. They actually went out of their way to write laws saying you couldn’t.
I was cheered to hear that Baltimore got rid of their four monuments last night and into this morning. Even in Blue State Maryland, it appeared they had to work at night, too.
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Well i just mean knocking down a statue doesn’t change things. Its symbolic and maybe it feels good, but it doesnt do anything to change the policies of corporate-capitalism. Ya know.
I wont go as far as calling it a ‘distraction’ but its close.
And anyway, even at the symbolic level i think it would be way better to LEAVE the statue and build another plaque or something next to it, that has some accurate information about the ‘hero’ in question. Educate.
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vAugust 16, 2017 at 8:30 am in reply to: car drives into counter-protestors in charlottesville #72625wvParticipantTrump has a point about the statues. The statue issue is interesting to me. I ‘hope’ people are not focusing on statues. I ‘hope’ they are focusing on drug laws, health care, inequality-POLICIES, education, etc.
Knocking down statues is easy though. Maybe its the only thing people feel they can do.
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link:http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/trump-says-there-were-very-fine-people-on-both-sides-in-charlottesville/Trump Says There Were “Very Fine People on Both Sides” in Charlottesville
At a press conference, the president refused to blame the violence on white nationalists and Nazis.….“What about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, alt-right?” Trump also remarked. “Do they have any semblance of guilt?”
The president appeared to criticize the movement to remove Confederate statues—wondering aloud how far proponents of the removals would go. “Was George Washington a slave owner?” he asked. “Are we going to take down statues to George Washington? What about Thomas Jefferson?”
August 15, 2017 at 6:41 pm in reply to: car drives into counter-protestors in charlottesville #72584wvParticipantI suppose, if there is any kind of ‘positive’ to all this violent-racism,
its that at least its more in the open now.Maybe it will be easier for people to understand what minorities
already know.Thats all i got.
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vAugust 15, 2017 at 2:08 pm in reply to: car drives into counter-protestors in charlottesville #72573wvParticipantLee Camp of redacted tonight, witnessed the car-murder:
August 15, 2017 at 1:03 pm in reply to: car drives into counter-protestors in charlottesville #72569wvParticipantwvParticipantI have to admit, I have no patience for 9/11 conspiracy theories.
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I know that 🙂
I’m curious whether Mack has any thots. At one time he was skeptical of the official version. Then he was skeptical of the unofficial versions. I’m wondering where he’s at now.
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vwvParticipantThe dragon being ok didn’t bother me. The wound was superficial.
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Oh is that you diagnosis, Mr Dragon Doctor?
AND — why wouldnt the spears have poison on the tips? Surely Ceirci would have thought of that.
And another thing — i think they are ruining the Tyrian character. I thought the writing for his big meeting with Jamie was really lame. Dinklage is a great actor and you could SEE him ‘acting’ during that scene, when he had to raise the issue of him being hated by his father because he was a dwarf — That scene seemed stilted to me, and Dinklage’s emotion seemed lame to me. I think Tyrian used to be a lot more interesting than he is now. I think the writers are failing in some significant ways.
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vwvParticipantThicker horns. Plus, i think the team has become too much like an action movie. Not enough development. And where are the dragons?
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vwvParticipantSame mantra — things move to fast, not enough development.
And…i thought it was lame that Jamie and his buddy were able to get out of the river and escape capture. That place was crawling with Dothraki’s, and the just pop up out of the river and no-one is around?
I also thought it was lame that Tyrian would be able to waltz into Lannister-land and meet with Jamie.
And what happened with the big spear that was stuck in the Dragon?
Shouldnt there have been a scene where he got some medical treatment or somethin? He’s just all better now?I thought it would have made for a better scene if Tyrian had NOT tried to save the Tarleys from getting Burnt. Remember when Tyrian was just fine with killing a couple of the ‘masters’ after they came in warships and attacked dragon-lady? Well why would he get all sentimental about the Tarley-example?
I thought it was a bit lame that Snow and company think they can kidnap a whitewalker and one white-walker is going to convince Cersei that there is an army of the dead coming. More likely she would just believe they had created a zombie to fool her.
I could go on 🙂
Cant wait for the next show 🙂
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vAugust 13, 2017 at 6:29 pm in reply to: car drives into counter-protestors in charlottesville #72456wvParticipantCar driving into crowd is a ‘clash’ – link:http://fair.org/home/for-media-driving-into-a-crowd-of-protesters-is-a-clash/
The Washington Post, Boston Globe, AOL News, The Hill, BBC and Sky News UK all chose to frame the ramming of a car into anti-fascist protesters as “clashes.”
The BBC’s breaking news tweet, “One dead amid clashes between US white nationalists and counter-protesters in Charlottesville,” is an extremely odd way to describe a person driving a car into a crowd of anti-fascist protesters—as was AOL’s “1 Dead, 34 Injured in Clashes at Virginia Rally.”
The term “clashes”—as FAIR (10/14/15) has noted before—is a term designed to obscure blame, presenting a picture of two equal sides engaging in violent activities. Reading “one dead” after “clashes” at a white nationalist rally gives us no idea who died, or who did the killing.
(Alternatively, one can veil responsibility by attributing agency to an inanimate object and disembodied emotions, as with the New York Times‘ headline, “Car Plows Into Crowd as Racial Tensions Boil Over in Virginia.”)
There are times when things can be ambiguous, but after a person the police say “premeditatedly” rammed into a crowd of anti-racist protesters with a car, it’s fairly clear the anti-racist protesters aren’t to blame for the death. But one would hardly know this, reading these “clashes” framings.
Most of these articles would mention in the text (or later change the headline after social media backlash) to make it clear it was the anti-fascist protesters who were mowed down, but the initial instinct to obscure who did what to whom speaks to the pathological fear of placing blame on the far right.
August 13, 2017 at 6:24 pm in reply to: car drives into counter-protestors in charlottesville #72455wvParticipantFrom Facebook.
It’s a comment that accompanies a picture of the person being discussed, but I just didn’t feel like posting the picture.
Bruce DeSilva
A son of a bitch named Andrew Anglin, founder of the neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer, posted a photo of the smashed car that had rammed into a crowd in Charlottesville and said this about it: “The real tragedy is what happened to the car. It was a very nice car, worth much more than the life of whoever died.” Here he is, and of course, he is wearing a Trump cap.
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Yeah, I think if one looks at the totality of circumstances, one sees:
1) One of Trump’s core factions is indeed, the White-supremacists/Hard-core-Racists.
2) There are other non-racist factions that also make up Trump’s Core.My question would be, is that any different than Nixon, Reagan, Bush, McCain?
I dont know, I’m just askin.It ‘feels’ different but I think that might just be because Trump is more brash and vulgar about all of it. I dunno. I wonder if anyone has actually studied the numbers in some way that reveals whether ‘more racists’ voted for trump than Nixon or Reagan?
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After graduating, he studied the three main NFL offenses: Air Coryell, West Coast and Erhardt-Perkins.
==============…on Saturdays, hours after the games that concluded long weeks, so he could pore over film deep into the night. Beau Baldwin, the former Eastern Washington head coach who is now the offensive coordinator at Cal, would often return to the office to pick something up and see Kupp sitting there, alone. Sometimes he would be watching practice film of an offensive lineman, repeatedly rewinding it because he wanted to know what everyone was doing on every play…
=============…formal, 15-minute interview at the scouting combine in Indianapolis and new head coach Sean McVay said, “You felt like you were almost talking to a receiver coach.” …
===========…an an underwhelming 4.62 40-yard dash, but his times in the 20-yard shuttle (4.08 seconds) and the three-cone drill (6.75) were elite. He comes out of his breaks quickly, runs routes precisely, knows how to get open and has great hands…
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vwvParticipantHemmingway drops too many balls, in other words, can’t catch. Blythe can’t snap or block well, and no one is saying anything about that.
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Its a conspiracy Jack.
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vwvParticipantAh well.
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LaramHe’s from SC ya know and you’ve never heard me say a word about him.
Wanna know why? He’s a FUMBLER!!
Coughed it up at SC too which is why he didn’t get more play.
They always had him listed at 6’1″ about 200lbs
================wvParticipantSorry, but I’m excited. I thought they looked better than they have in a decade.
wvParticipantYeah, BT, I was expecting the corporate-internet to drift in this direction. I’ve been kinda surprised it hasnt gotten worse much sooner than this.
The thing is, for hard-core political left-junkies like ‘us,’ it doesnt matter all that much that google buries lefty sites — cause we know where they are and we know how to find stuff like that.
But what hurts is the young people who are just beginning to explore politics — they wont be able to find lefty ideas as easily anymore.
And so it goes. Life in the corporotacracy…
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vwvParticipantWell thats interesting.
I think it would definitely affect decisions at the high school level and lower, but I doubt it would be the end of the NFL or even major-college level football.
I mean we still have boxing and MMA and all kinds of extreme stuff goin on.
It’ll change things, but i still think the NFL will be around for a long time.
Too much money. America needs its bread and circuses.w
vwvParticipantI watched about fifteen minutes of plays or so. Looked like a different team out there. Its almost like there’s a new coach or somethin.
Last year it seemed like it was an enormous struggle just to get
any WR open.
But last night there was always someone open — and — it looked easy, smooth.And that was without Watkins.
Why didnt they hire McV thirteen years ago?
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vwvParticipantIts Dallas. I want to WIN.
Its the beginning of the McV era.
Just WIN.
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vwvParticipantThat photo is going to be remembered decades from now. Its probly gonna win a lot of photo-awards as well.
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vAugust 12, 2017 at 7:25 pm in reply to: car drives into counter-protestors in charlottesville #72374wvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipantMonsanto
August 11, 2017 at 11:28 pm in reply to: Kamala Harris Controversy & Erasure of Leftist Women by Pseudo-Woke Liberals #72303wvParticipant“…There is a reason Brownworth resorts to outright lies, Reid engages in smears and Watson and Tanden make illogical claims of racism and sexism. Their claims serve to insulate people from legitimate criticism, distract from the issues, smear the Left as privileged and spin neoliberalism as woke.
These are people who spent the primary attacking Sanders as racist and sexist and hailing Clinton as the champion of women and people of color. They still do. They cared more about what happened to Clinton that what happened to the majority of women in the country, let alone the world…”
wvParticipantI dont see why people think this means Tavon is a goner. What if Watkins and Woods and Kupp and Gurley and the TE’s open up a lot of SPACE for Tavon to work in?
Ay, what then?
We might see some electifying stuff.
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