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wvParticipantAlso there’s this:
“…Hersh tells me: “I don’t necessarily buy the story that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11. We really don’t have an ending to the story. I’ve known people in the [intelligence] community. We don’t know anything empirical about who did what”. He continues: “The guy was living in a cave. He really didn’t know much English. He was pretty bright and he had a lot of hatred for the US. We respond by attacking the Taliban. Eighteen years later… How’s it going guys?”
wvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipantLooks like around a third of all the land in the US is used for livestock – either as pasture or for growing their food.
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And as i understand it, the meat-biz is causing more global-warming than the gasoline-biz. And it aint even close. So i read, anywayz.
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vwvParticipantFisk on the enigma wrapped in a matrix tossed down a rabbit hole — Syria.
Are We About to Witness the Last Battle of the Syrian War?
by Robert Fisk“…
…….Thanks to Donald Trump, it’s all over for the “rebels” of Syria because they have been betrayed by the Americans – surely and finally by Trump himself in those secret discussions with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, perhaps the most important of the “unknowns” of that translators-only chat – as they have by the Gulf Arabs.Three weeks earlier, the Americans had told the rebels of southwestern Syria below the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights that they were on their own, and could expect no more military assistance. Even the White Helmets, the first-responder heroes or propagandists of the rebel war (take your pick, but be sure they will soon be described as “controversial”) have been rescued with their families from the rebel lines by the Israelis and dispatched to safety in Jordan.
The Israelis are a bit miffed that they weren’t thanked by the White Helmets’ civil defence units for their humanitarian assistance – but what do they expect when they spent their time attacking Iranian, Hezbollah and Syrian forces during the war, supplying medical aid to the Nusrah Islamist fighters who came to their lines and never – ever – bombed Isis? Do the White Helmets want to be associated with Israel right now?
But the Israelis got what they really wanted: a Russian promise that the Iranians will stay far away from the Israeli-occupied Syrian Golan plateau. It’s all a bit odd, since there are precious few Iranian troops in Syria – and you can forget the humbug from the Washington “experts” – but it fits in with Benjamin Netanyahu’s morbid and theatrical conviction that Iran is “a noose of terror” round Israel’s neck. In any event, Putin knows a thing or two about the Syrian war: bombs talk, but so does cash……see link….”
wvParticipantJesse on, Syria and some stuff.
wvParticipant“whitopia”
wvParticipantI thought that one was extraordinarily good.
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Yeah, itz kinda what public-defender-types do. That ‘moving backwards in time’ thing. Context.
Whereas prosecutor-types tend to just look at the behavior from a few seconds prior to the incident. A snapshot.
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vwvParticipantWell he didnt say how we know there is such a thing as anti-matter. If we dont see any in the universe why do we believe there is such a thing?
Also, if there are anti-rams-fans, then why dont they just explode and be done with it?
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vJuly 28, 2018 at 5:36 pm in reply to: Leaked Emails Show Republicans, Big Business Colluded to Gerrymander Michigan Di #88644wvParticipantYes. See to me, that is part of the ‘big story’ on US ‘elections’.
Russian interference? Sure. A story? Sure. But the BIG-HUGE-GIGANTIC story is not russian interference. The big story is simply what ‘elections’ are in a Corporotacracy.
And weve talked about ‘that’ story on this board since 1998. All the various factors and levels of factors that go into dumming-down the public, distracting the public, making sure big-money determines outcomes, creating a media that protects the system at all costs, etc, etc, etc.
The gerrymandering thing is part of the BIG-story, I’d say. A small part of the BIG-STORY.
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vTo me gerrymandering IS the big story. If it did not exist the Freedom Caucus and the republicans would not control congress and that IS big !
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Fair enough. I’ll go along with that. Its a big story.
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Andrew Greeley (Chicago Sun-Times, February 18, 2001):
“It should be no surprise that when rich men take control of the government, they pass laws that are favorable to themselves. The surprise is that those who are not rich vote for such people, even though they should know from bitter experience that the rich will continue to rip off the rest of us. Perhaps the reason is that rich men are very clever at covering up what they do.”wvParticipantFloating plastic. I dunno.
Inspired by organic bird murmurations. Plastic. In the air.
I think i wanna go on record as not liking it.
I blame the corporotacracy.
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vJuly 27, 2018 at 11:36 am in reply to: Leaked Emails Show Republicans, Big Business Colluded to Gerrymander Michigan Di #88587wvParticipantYes. See to me, that is part of the ‘big story’ on US ‘elections’.
Russian interference? Sure. A story? Sure. But the BIG-HUGE-GIGANTIC story is not russian interference. The big story is simply what ‘elections’ are in a Corporotacracy.
And weve talked about ‘that’ story on this board since 1998. All the various factors and levels of factors that go into dumming-down the public, distracting the public, making sure big-money determines outcomes, creating a media that protects the system at all costs, etc, etc, etc.
The gerrymandering thing is part of the BIG-story, I’d say. A small part of the BIG-STORY.
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vwvParticipant“n West Virginia, the leader of that state’s teacher strike, Richard Ojeda, is waging a strong campaign to take an open House seat long held by Republicans. Ojeda, a Democratic state senator who voted for Trump himself, is running as an out and out progressive populist…”
This is brilliant. Politically brilliant. Its by far, the single best approach i have ever read, to the abortion issue in a red-state like WV.
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vIt’s the only possible approach, and it seems to be a good one. Besides which…it’s about time America was given the lens of Class Consciousness to perceive the world. Might help with a lot of things.
I remember the name Ojeda. He pronounces his last name in an Anglicized way, right? Oh-jay-da instead of Oh-hay-da.
I want the GOP wiped out, btw. I want that party permanently crippled. Democrats would serve nicely as the conservative party since they are to the right of St. Ronald anyway. Then maybe DSA could become the second major party. I can dream.
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Well i quoted the wrong part when i said his approach was brilliant. This is teh approach i thot was brilliant:
‘…Ojeda is so good that he manages to redefine social issues as class issues. Speaking at a pro-choice rally in Charleston, Ojeda told the crowd that he didn’t really like abortion, but that if it were outlawed, rich women would still get abortions.
West Virginians knew exactly what he meant…”Finally, some SMART progressives. Some of these folks are a lot of fun to watch.
Granted they are not ‘radicals’ and they often seem to fall in line with the deep-state on foreign policy etc — but at this point, ya take what ya can get, in the land of the blind.
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vwvParticipantYeah, I’m having a lot of fun watching these young, new progressives. I’m not optimistic about changing the Dem-Corp-Party but its fun to finally see, even a handful of actual progressives playing the game smartly.
Without Bernie’s run at the nomination last time, i dunno if any of this is happening.
While I’m watching all this, I’m also trying to figure out what strategies the Dem-Corps will use to destroy this new threat.
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vwvParticipantI dont care about any of this. I dont even care if the Rams go 0-16.
What i DO care about is seeing Aaron F’ing Donald and Neanterthal Suh PLAY next to each other. I WANT to SEE that. I want to see the dogs of war unleashed. I want to see Ruination. Carnage. Slaughter. Shock and Woe.
Thats all i care about. I dont care about cooks, gurley, or russians.
So wake me up when AD signs.
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vYep, and you didn’t even mention the secondary.
The combination of a crushing pass rush and no open receivers is going to be something. I don’t know if they can live up to expectations, but on paper, this is a compelling team.
Now if they can only stop TEs, that would be great. I’m guessing teams will try to attack the LBs with dink and dunk.
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Yeah. I wonder what teams are just built to give the Rams real trouble. I would think it would be a team with an outstanding OLine. Maybe a team that can pound the rock? A team with a great Defense themselves that can shut down the Rams O.
I’d love to see how Belichex would attack this D.
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vwvParticipantI agree that Behar was good in the moment, but it seemed like McCain just talked over her. I also agree that “pedantic” won’t win hearts and minds, nor will wonkiness, a Democratic Party specialty.
But I’m st1ill not convinced that blurring the lines between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism is the right way to go.
What’s your take on that, WV? Do you see that as the best strategy? If not, what is your preferred method/best practices, when it comes to this topic?
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Well BT, your guess is as good as mine. I dunno. I know that it depends on yer audience. Ya know. And the general tv-audience that watches THAT show is…I’m guessing… essentially MSM-Dems. Do they care about the distinction between Socialist-Dem and Dem-Socialist? I suspect that would lose their attention, and sound pedantic and the rightwinger would just roll over them with the usual “Venezuela! Stalin!” type shit.
I think Ocasio and Bernie and the Justice-Dems are getting it mostly right (given the limited Political-IQ of the voting public). They just harp on specific issues. Medicare for All. Free College. (although i think they need a better term than ‘free college.’ That term raises alarm bells with conservative types)
When the corpse-media asks them what is a socialist? Isnt it a murderous treasonous thing? They just calmly go “It means I’m for medicare for all, free college, a higher minimum wage, etc”
I wonder if it would behoove them to connect themselves with FDR? I dunno.
(I mean they arent ‘really’ socialists but who cares. They are as far left as we can go right now, today, in the US)I also think I have never ever seen a Clinton-Dem do what that lady just did in that vid. The listing of the Norwegian nations. I…have…not…seen that before in that context. Ever. To me thats…..noteworthy. And yes the vile Rep talked over it and didnt address it…which is a good sign. She couldnt handle it. That list.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantOne Thing i liked though, was when the Pro-Hillary-liberal was challenged with the usual “Where has socialism ever worked?”, she calmly listed Scandanavian nations. She didnt get all flustered or get all pedantic and boring. It was a good answer. And coming from her, it shocked me to be honest. I took it as a sign maybe the libs are getting a little better at this socialism discussion thing. I dunno.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantI dont care about any of this. I dont even care if the Rams go 0-16.
What i DO care about is seeing Aaron F’ing Donald and Neanterthal Suh PLAY next to each other. I WANT to SEE that. I want to see the dogs of war unleashed. I want to see Ruination. Carnage. Slaughter. Shock and Woe.
Thats all i care about. I dont care about cooks, gurley, or russians.
So wake me up when AD signs.
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vwvParticipantpolice:https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-07-police-related-fatalities.html#nRlv
New study finds police-related fatalities may occur twice as often as reported
July 24, 2018 by Stephen D’angelo, Cornell UniversitywvParticipant“n West Virginia, the leader of that state’s teacher strike, Richard Ojeda, is waging a strong campaign to take an open House seat long held by Republicans. Ojeda, a Democratic state senator who voted for Trump himself, is running as an out and out progressive populist…”
This is brilliant. Politically brilliant. Its by far, the single best approach i have ever read, to the abortion issue in a red-state like WV.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipantAwesome.
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vwvParticipantWell, i have a weird embarrassing unexplainable weakness for….’radar love’. So, I suppose I could watch it. 🙂
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vwvParticipantIs he as good as Sammy Watkins?
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipantAnd Putin… wants to continue to disrupt American civilization, and weaken our world standing, and he’s going to keep doing that. A big shitstorm, constitutional crisis works just fine for him. He’s a winner either way. Trump keeps fucking shit up as he has been doing, or he cripples the government’s ability to keep their eye on the ball at all because it is undergoing a governmental crisis.”
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Well then Putin and I want prettymuch the same thing 🙂
I mean i like what RT reports on. I dont care what their ‘motives’ are, they tell more truth in 30 minutes than the American-MSM tells in a decade.
At any rate, the nation is so divided now, even if you took ‘russian interference’ or russian media’ out of the mix, there’d still be a growing shitstorm.
I think. I dunno.
As Noam always notes, all the surveys indicate the WORLD considers the USA the biggest threat to peace on the planet. Russia didnt cause that. Putin had nothing to do with that.
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