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March 22, 2020 at 9:16 am in reply to: The historical record for capitalism is utterly appalling. #112796
nittany ram
ModeratorThe story of Hostess and why/how it busted its union is always the first thing that pops into my mind when I think of capitalism…
Twinkie CEO Admits Company Took Employees Pensions and Put It Toward Executive Pay
Written by December 11, 2012
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Twinkie-maker Hostess continues to screw over its workers. The company is in the process of complete liquidation and 18,000 unionized workers are set to lose their jobs. More troubling – they could lose their pensions.According to a report by the Wall Street Journal, Hostess’ CEO, Gregory Rayburn, essentially admitted that his company stole employee pension money and put it toward CEO and senior executive pay (aka “operations”). While this isn’t technically illegal, it’s another sleazy theft by Hostess executives – who’ve paid themselves handsomely while running their company into the ground. Just last month, a judge agreed to let Hostess executives suck another $1.8 million out of the bankrupt company to pay bonuses to CEOs.
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If there’s no way to recover the money for the Hostess pension plans for workers, then the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. will have to foot the bill to make sure workers get at least some of the retirement money they paid in.
Hostess shows us clearly what Bain-style predatory capitalism is all about: big bucks for the very few rich executives, layoffs and poverty for the workers and their communities.
And don’t mourn the loss of Hostess brands – they’ll be back, as the company is currently negotiating with over 100 potential buyers right now to bring Twinkies, Wonder Bread, and Ding Dongs back into the marketplace.
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00:37The Hostess story has nothing to do with unions, and everything to do with the Enron-ization and Bain-ization of the American economy.
In classic Enron style, back in 2005 Hostess sent out a letter saying they’d just had a very, very profitable quarter. Their stock jumped up. The CEO, Charles Sullivan, and many of the senior executives sold chunks of their stock. The CEO and senior executives were making out big, and the workers were making a decent living.
At that time, one of the hostess workers – Mike Hummel, blogging as bluebarnstormer over at Daily Kos – noted that he was making $48,000 a year, a bit over the US median household income, and had insurance and a pension.
Then, a few weeks later in 2005, came the letter saying that, oops, all of that profit had really been just an accounting error – the company was actually in trouble. Although the CEO and the top guys had all made a nice killing selling the stock when it was high, and paying a maximum income tax on it of 15 percent because they used the Capital Gains loophole that Mitt Romney used to become a multimillionaire, they now wanted the workers to take a big pay cut.
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Hummel notes that the “oops” letter became the justification for asking the workers to take a pay cut, which they agreed to, and his pay dropped from $48,000 a year in 2005 to $38,000 a year last year. But every year, $3 an hour of his compensation showed up in the worker’s pension fund instead of his paycheck. Year after year. With 18,000-plus workers, it was millions and millions of dollars. Dollars that the workers had paid in, at the rate of $3 per hour.Then came the Bain-style takedown. In order to strip the company down to its individual brands and sell them off, piece by piece, the company needed to bust the union. The union said, “No,” so the company went to bankruptcy court – a method Bain and other vulture capitalists often use to kill off unions.
In the meantime, the CEO and senior executives were paying themselves handsome salaries and big bonuses. And where was that money coming from?
On August 12 of 2011, the employees got a letter that said that the company was going to “temporarily suspend payments” to its pension funds. That would be the $3 per hour that this worker had negotiated as part of his compensation – instead of paying it to him by putting it into his pension fund now, the company said they were going to put it in later.
As the letter said, “I want to be clear that this temporary suspension of payments to the pension fund will not affect your pension benefits.”
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Workers believed management, and kept on working.But, it turned out, as we learned from that interview in today’s Wall Street Journal, that the senior management wasn’t just “borrowing” the pension funds – they were using them to fund ongoing operations. Including big paychecks to the fatcats.
Hostess CEO Gregory Rayburn wanted to make it clear that he wasn’t around when that particular thing happened. “Whatever the circumstances were, whatever those decisions were, I wasn’t there,” Rayburn told the Wall Street Journal. After all, Rayburn isn’t a baker – he’s a bankster. He’s the owner of Kobi Partners, a company that tells corporations how to “restructure.” Think Mitt Romney. And he’s going to make out very well on all this – the bankruptcy court just okayed $1.8 million in Christmas bonuses for the new fatcats at Hostess.
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Ironically, if you borrow money to pay for your education, you can’t get rid of that debt through bankruptcy – one of the “reforms” of the bankruptcy law during the Bush era. But if you’re a CEO or a buyout bankster and you borrow money from your employees’ trust fund to be able to cover your own paycheck and million-dollar bonuses, and then take your company into bankruptcy, neither you nor the company have to pay those employees back even a single penny. Part of their pension is picked up by federally-run pension insurance, and the rest is just lost.There used to be a time in America when businesspeople had at least a modicum of ethics. Mostly it was because the majority of businesses were small- or medium-sized and locally owned, so the owners and managers had to look the employees in the eye. Or the unions were strong enough to keep the CEOs honest.
Reagan put an end to all that when he stopped enforcing the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, wiping out most of America’s small and medium-sized businesses, and when he kicked off the modern war on unions by firing the PATCO union strikers. You can see the result most clearly at any shopping mall or any downtown in America. What used to be locally owned business are now big chains, from food to jewelry to clothing.
It used to be that CEOs shared the pain. Lee Iacocca famously took a dollar a year as pay when he was working to turn around Chrysler. Steve Jobs did the same when Apple was in trouble. Pretty much everybody who’s ever started a small business knows what it’s like to make payroll for workers while taking little to nothing themselves during the early years of the company.
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But in today’s post-Reagan, Bain-model American capitalism, there’s never any risk for the CEO class. Instead, all the risk is borne by the workers.Karl Marx famously wrote that capitalism contains within itself the seeds of its own destruction. If true, the young, green shoots of that destruction may well be the corporate and billionaire excesses, ranging from the Hostess debacle to the billionaire oligarch Koch Brothers funding anti-union efforts by Rick Snyder and Republicans in Michigan.
This article originally stated that taxpayers would have had to foot the bill for the lost pension funds through the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. (PBGC), but in fact PBGC does not receive taxpayer funds on an annual basis. It has been corrected to say that the PBGC will pay out a portion of the lost pension funds, and that the rest of the missing funds will not be recovered by the workers.
nittany ram
ModeratorMore things that do not treat #COVID19:
Colloidal silver, homeopathic remedies, coffee enemas, milk thistle, vitamin d, detoxing, grounding, energy healing, reiki, organic diets, salt water gargles, wheatgrass shots, keto, jade eggs, or wishful thinking. #ScienceWillSaveUs
— Yvette wants you to wash your damn hands. (@TheSciBabe) March 22, 2020
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ModeratorI will be spending self-isolation in Australia where I will be trying to figure this out…
In the US healthcare is linked to employer.
In a pandemic many lose their employment.
So they also lose their healthcare.
Healthcare is important in a pandemic.
So…Just be poor and die?— Lee Constable 🔥 (@Constababble) March 22, 2020
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ModeratorHow do we reach these people without hurting their workers? https://t.co/ZhUeIcYydN
— Ryan Marino (@RyanMarino) March 22, 2020
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ModeratorThanks, Invader.
She is a huge Saints fan. We watched the NFC Championship game between the Rams and Saints together. When the Rams were setting up to attempt the winning FG in overtime, I looked over at her and she was crouched on the floor as if she was pleading with the TV. When Zurlein’s kick went through the uprights, I heard her fall forward onto the floor. Part of me felt sorry for her because I know exactly how she felt, but most of me secretly gloated and thought better you than me, Sis.
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ModeratorJust spoke with my brother-in-law and his wife. It looks like they both have COVID-19. They weren’t tested, but they have the symptoms – fever, nonproductive cough, soreness in the chest…
They live in Miami, Fla. They are both in their mid-40’s with kids from previous marriages. Her three kids are young adults and out of the house. He also has three kids ranging in age from 12 to 17. He’s a professor at FIU and she has a pool maintenance business. Both are in excellent physical condition so I expect them to be fine.
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ModeratorI’ve taken more than my share of BS from this team over the years.
Bad personnel decisions, incompetent management, year after year after year of sub-mediocre football…
They traded Eric Dickerson for f’s sake.
If that’s the new helmet, I swear I will end someone.
I’m serious. You don’t believe me, Kroenke?
Try me. My thumb is poised directly above the United app on my phone.
You unveil that gawd-awful thing on Monday morning, by Monday afternoon there’ll be one less heir to the Walton fortune…
PS. I don’t believe for a moment that that’s the new logo/helmet design.
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ModeratorThe predicted scenarios varies by state pic.twitter.com/TxlUb5V8cT
— Channa Prakash (@AgBioWorld) March 21, 2020
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ModeratorMy wife and I both work in healthcare, so we are busy right now. My wife is a physician who does telemedicine from our home. She sees patients over the internet. Over the last week, she has 40+ patients in her virtual waiting room at any given time. Some of them wait 5 or 6 hours to see her ( um, what is that they always say about socialized medicine and wait times?). I’m a microbiologist in a hospital lab so I’m sorta in the thick of the specimen collecting and testing aspect of this thing.
We don’t have children. Our only dependent is a sweet 4 year old German Shepherd with the disposition of a puppy and a few koi. My parents are in their late 70s. My dad is in pretty good shape from a pulmonary and cardiovascular standpoint but he can’t get around like he used to. My mother smoked most of her life. She finally quit but it took a nearly fatal episode due to COPD to scare her straight. There is no way she could survive COVID-19 given her condition.
Fortunately they live on the side of a mountain in rural PA so they were practicing social distancing before it was cool. My brother is around and keeps an eye on them.
Unfortunately we will all have COVID-19 stories by the time this is over.
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ModeratorMy hospital and most of the hospitals in our region will be limiting tests to inpatients, nursing home residents, and healthcare workers.
More and more labs are offering the test, but the supplies to collect and transport specimens for testing are in short supply. If you can’t collect the specimens, you can’t test them. For example, Copan is one of the major suppliers of the swabs needed to collect the specimens. If I place an order for swabs with Copan today, I won’t have them until August.
The time when testing could have really been helpful in limiting the spread of Covid-19 has passed anyway. It’s ubiquitous now. It’s in every community. It has become a clinical diagnosis. If someone has symptoms consistent with the disease, then you treat them as if they have the disease and have them self-quarantine. It would be different if we currently had an approved treatment for the disease, but as it stands right now there is nothing that can be done except supportive care.
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ModeratorSad day.
My favorite Rams teams always featured a bell cow back – McCutcheon, Dickerson, Bettis, Faulk, etc. Gurley was one of the best of that group when he was healthy. A joy to watch.
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ModeratorI work in a hospital so I go to work as usual. I’m QA Supervisor and Microbiology Lead for the clinical lab. As you can imagine we’ve been especially busy with COVID-19 stuff (my hospital provides drive-up specimen collection for people suspected of having it).
I thought there was a big shortage of tests. I was wondering how Idris Elba got tested when he claims he has no symptoms.
There is. There is a shortage of tests and the viral media the specimens go in so they can be transported to the testing facilities. A good part of my day is trying to acquire supplies. People are only supposed to be tested if they have a referral from their doctor, which would imply the doctor has reason to suspect their patient might have the virus. It’s probably not a surprise to anyone on this board that there is a different set of rules for the rich.
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ModeratorMy friend and I ordered the x-ray glasses.
The ad depicted a drawing of a smiling kid wearing the glasses and looking at his hand and seeing bones. We hoped to see people’s skeletons.
When we got the glasses the first thing we noticed was that you couldn’t see skeletons with them (unless, of course, you were looking at a picture of a skeleton). When you wore them you just saw what you would normally see except out of focus.
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ModeratorI work in a hospital so I go to work as usual. I’m QA Supervisor and Microbiology Lead for the clinical lab. As you can imagine we’ve been especially busy with COVID-19 stuff (my hospital provides drive-up specimen collection for people suspected of having it).
March 17, 2020 at 1:54 pm in reply to: Cooks and Gurley traded HOLD ON REPORTS THAT THIS IS FAKE NEWS #112481nittany ram
ModeratorTwitter rumors are that both TGIII and Cooks stopped following the Rams on twitter and/or instagram. I don’t have the energy or inclination to verify it for myself.
It doesn’t necessarily mean they are gone, but the implication is that they are upset or feel disrespected that the Rams seem to be shopping them around.
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ModeratorMy wife went into Walmart yesterday and when she walked by the gun section she noticed that the shelves that contain ammo were nearly empty. A co-worker told me that her so-in-law went to a local guns shop yesterday and they were completely out of ammo.
To me that’s a little unnerving considering the general level of panic surrounding this outbreak.
Who knows what nutty conspiracists/militia groups like the Three Percenters will react if things do get bad.
March 15, 2020 at 8:12 pm in reply to: notes from expert panel on the virus & other expert views #112384nittany ram
ModeratorDo we have any logic-based-guesses on when the Virus is really gonna get going in the USA ? How soon before it gets rolling? Do we know?
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vIt’s hard to get good estimates because we aren’t doing enough testing. It could be rolling right now. We could be a couple weeks away from the peak. It’s hard to say. This disease has an estimated R0 of about 2.5 to 3.2, meaning one person with the disease infects between 2.5 and 3.2 others. Compare that with the seasonal flu which has an R0 of between 1 and 2. That means when COVID-19 begins rolling, it could really roll.
Btw, we now have 3 positive patients in our small community hospital. That’s 3 positives in about 80 tests which doesn’t sound terrible, but 2 of those positives were in the last 10 tests. Shit might be about to get real.
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March 15, 2020 at 6:12 pm in reply to: notes from expert panel on the virus & other expert views #112378nittany ram
ModeratorCoronaviruses have a variety of animal reseviours. The first SARS was hosted in civits and racoon dogs. For MERS it was camels. The novel coronavirus is found in bats and pangolins. Practically all birds and mammals will host some variety of coronavirus.
Coronaviruses are RNA viruses. Unlike DNA viruses (ex. Herpes) RNA viruses are prone to mutations because they lack the biochemical machinery necessary to fix replication errors. Most of the errors are lethal or have a negative or neutral impact on the virus. However, every so often, a mutation confers some advantage on the virus, such as the ability to infect a new host. As the COVID-19 virus spreads around the globe, it’s very possible a mutation will allow it to acquire new animal hosts.
Viruses that have only a single host can be eradicated because they have no place to hide. Small pox is an example. Develop a vaccine and you’re good to go. However, it’s nearly impossible to eradicate a virus that can jump back and forth between humans and other animals because it can re-emerge later on as a new and improved version of itself. Herd immunity and vaccines might still effectively control the virus but they will never eliminate it completely, and the potential for new outbreaks will always exist. It will be interesting to see if the novel coronavirus can acquire some new animal hosts as it moves around the world. There might be some species of bats in the US that it could infect right now without mutating at all.
nittany ram
ModeratorI once read an article that proposed the idea that the reason why we see crooked teeth in modern humans and not in ancient humans is because of our diets, especially when we are very young.
Modern human babies eat soft foods. Because of that their jaws don’t develop as robustly as if they had eaten harder foods. Because of this, their jaws don’t get large enough for all the teeth to fit in place in their proper orientation. In contrast, aboriginal people in Southeast Asia have straight teeth. The authors argued that this is because their babies eat many of the same hard foods the adults eat. So their jaws develop as they should and there’s room for all their teeth to fit.
I don’t know how valid this is. It sorta dovetails with the video in that crooked teeth correlate with smaller jaw size.
I’m not sure I buy any of it. I sent some spit to 23 and Me last month and found out I have more Neanderthal DNA than 66% of their clients. If I have all that troglodyte DNA, then why did I need braces when I was a kid? I’d like to see your precious James Nestor answer that!
March 13, 2020 at 9:03 pm in reply to: notes from expert panel on the virus & other expert views #112246nittany ram
ModeratorTesting is crucial. It’s why South Korea is testing so much.
It tells medical professionals how many are actually infected. That lets planners know how based on symptom progression what the future demand will be on the system and gives real data about the infection progression.
It also can give data which could indicate viral mutation or hopefully, the end of the virus’ infection period.
As for the testing capacity, 1k per day is through the CDC which doesn’t allow automated testing.
if they allow automated testing and outsourcing to approved labs, that could easily increase 10 fold or more.
The way we are testing doesn’t make sense. Testing every specimen via PCR is overly time-consuming, expensive, and inefficient. Now they are running out of the reagent needed for RNA extraction. Our state lab warned us that testing might slow down as the test materials they need become backordered.
We need a quick and inexpensive EIA screening test that can be performed at every hospital lab. Only specimens that test positive with the screening test would need to be sent to the state lab for confirmatory testing with PCR. This two-tiered approach is similar to the way we test for Lyme disease. Physicians would get their results quicker as the majority of tests would be negative and they would have the results the same day. If the test is positive, the specimen can ship to the state lab the very same day so the PCR turnaround time is no longer than it is now. Actually, it would be much shorter because the state lab would be running fewer specimens.
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March 13, 2020 at 8:19 pm in reply to: notes from expert panel on the virus & other expert views #112237nittany ram
ModeratorI read that even as more test kits come in, our facilities can run only about 1,000 tests/day anyway.
But since there is nothing much that can be done for patients apart from IVs and comfort care, I’m not sure testing really makes that much difference. I don’t know what can be done except for everyone to stay away from crowds, wash hands all the time, and stop breathing.
I hope RBG is in a bubble tent.
Not testing from the beginning is where we really dropped the ball. Testing early and often is how you stop an outbreak in its tracks. It allows you to find and contain infected people before the disease gets into the community. Once its in the community, the opportunity to contain it is lost, as zn’s article says.
Gearing up for this outbreak has been a nightmare for my small community hospital. We are not staffed well enough to deal with the logistics of coordinating the billion moving parts involved in this. We send the covid-19 specimens we collect to the VT Dept of Health Lab. I’ve been there for meetings and seminars many times. It is a brand new and modern lab but they are also not staffed to deal with this. Tensions are high. I got in a shouting match with the state’s Public Health Compliance chief over the phone when they decided we could no longer send specimens in the manner they initially requested. There I was with 20 specimens from suspected covid-19 patients that the state lab was telling me they wouldn’t accept. As it turns out, one of those specimens was positive for the covid virus (SARS-COV-2). It was the first positive specimen in VT.
Of course, testing isn’t perfect and a negative result does not ensure the patient isn’t infected. In the beginning when they were trying to determine the best way to test for the virus, the CDC recommended that we collect lower respiratory cultures (sputum or bronchial lavage), upper respiratory specimens (nasopharyngeal swab, oropharyngeal swab, and nasal wash), and a stool and urine specimen in case additional testing was necessary. That’s a lot of specimens to be collecting and testing. As it turns out, the best results come from sputum and the lavage. The problem is, a productive cough isn’t a typical symptom so sputum is often hard to come by, and you can’t collect a lavage (flood the lungs with saline and suck up the contents) easily especially when you are talking about dozens of people a day. So they settled on the nasopharyngeal (NP) and oropharyngeal (OP) swabs and winnowed that down further to just the NP swab. Remember that patient who tested positive? He was tested early on when we were still collecting multiple specimens from all those different sources. We were able to get a sputum from him, so we sent it along with an NP swab, OP swab, and nasal wash to the state lab for testing. The sputum and nasal wash came back positive. The NP and OP swabs were negative. The NP swab is now the specimen of choice, but if that was all that we had sent, we might not know we had a patient with covid-19. Don’t get me wrong, testing is still effective and necessary in dealing with this outbreak, but as I said before, it’s not perfect.
March 3, 2020 at 11:33 pm in reply to: just some “no thread for em” various political tweets … 2/25 thru ? #111888nittany ram
ModeratorRegardless if you believe Bernie is anti-science, associating himself with Williamson is a major blunder, IMO. This is disappointing.
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Oh, i disagree totally. I think that would be like distancing himself from Rogan just because Rogan has some batshit crazy ideas.
Too much purism can really whittle down yer allies to zero.
I want her new-age voting bloc.
Williamson is a LOT of things. Some of them Good. Shes not ‘just-and-only’ an anti-vaxer. I think its a mistake to ‘reduce’ her to only that. All in all, I think she’s a more positive force than, say, 95 percent of Congress.
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vWell, I hope you’re right, but I don’t think there’s enough that’s good about her to outweigh what’s bad about her. Ultimately outside of perhaps CA, I think her support will do more harm than good. But maybe she can get those crazy rich white women to stop writing checks to Goop and start writing them to Bernie.
March 3, 2020 at 9:12 am in reply to: just some “no thread for em” various political tweets … 2/25 thru ? #111871nittany ram
ModeratorRegardless if you believe Bernie is anti-science, associating himself with Williamson is a major blunder, IMO. This is disappointing.
As I've been saying all along –
Bernie Sanders and Marianne Williamson are both whackadoodles with anti-science views.
Bernie pretends to be pro-science, but his anti-biotech views say otherwise. https://t.co/3PXCG8hVVx— FAC is BOTH HOPEFUL/SKEPTICAL OF 2020 (@facisback) March 3, 2020
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ModeratorYeah, great movie.
On a related note, I find myself rooting for psychopathic killers in movies most of the time. They usually have that underdog thing going for them (they are typically born of some childhood trauma, then chewed up, swallowed, and vomited up by society), and who doesn’t root for an underdog.
February 13, 2020 at 3:13 pm in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111295nittany ram
ModeratorThis entire article is ridiculous but I’ll concentrate on this…
dAs if that weren’t bad enough, Sanders carries decades of ideological baggage, having in the past praised Communist regimes and joined a socialist party that took Iran’s side during the Iranian hostage crisis.
What a load of BS.
He praised Cuba for giving its citizens universal healthcare and free education. He also said living conditions weren’t nearly as bad as how they were portrayed.
He commented on how efficient, clean and inexpensive the Soviet public transportation system was compared to the system (or lack thereof) in the US.
That’s the extent of his praise for communist regimes.
The Iran thing is fake news. He was never even a member of the Socialist Workers Party, which is the party the author is referring to.
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ModeratorYeah, well I ‘know’ what YOU, want Mr Science. You want GIGANTIC Orchards of Genetically Modified Asparagus. Asparagus the size of RedWoods. And…walking Meats. Giant Corporate-Grown Bacon Strips. All across the land. Giant-Meat grown from Test Tubes. And Robots. Meat-Robots.
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vYou get me.
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ModeratorInteresting. He mentions the desire of many people to return agriculture to the era of the small “family-owned” farm. They think this is more sustainable. It isn’t. Not from a financial standpoint as the author of this article points out and not from an environmental standpoint either.
Actually, 98% of farms, large and small, are already family owned. But the preponderance of family-owned farms is relatively recent. Prior to the middle part of the 20th century most farmland was leased by the farmer from a landowner who was not only paid rent, but also took a share of the profits from whatever crops the land yielded. Very few farmers owned their own land. They lived and died in poverty. Returning to the innocent and wholesome farming practices of yesteryear would mean creating a giant underclass of impoverished sharecroppers and tenant farmers.
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ModeratorBillyT wrote:
I’m not a fan of anyone trying to pair them as two people in the same boat in that sense, and Trump is no victim.
Me too. A voter in NH interviewed on the radio said it best…”Bernie is the anti-trump”.
Bernie is the least like Trump of any of the Dem candidates.
A lot of people think that what Sanders and Trump have in common is that they both are at the extreme ends of their parties. But there’s nothing extreme about Trump’s views from a GOP perspective. He wants the same things they all want – deregulation, tax breaks for the rich, elimination of social programs…He’s just more brazen about it.
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ModeratorDoes it mean anything at all? What does Iowa mean?
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vIt’s an Omaha-Ponca word that means “Grey Snow” and also “Drowsy Ones”.
Not sure what that has to do with the election, but, you do you… 🙄
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