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nittany ram
ModeratorWell, you and zooey are more optimistic than me.
At any rate, I’m old, and i have cat-videos to catch up on today.
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vThat’s not a cat, Magoo.
I’m distracting myself from the political/environmental/medical catastrophe du joir by tinkering with my koi pond. I’m making it a little bigger this year. If you want to feel old, spend the day digging a big hole. So far my lower back isn’t on board with the project.
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ModeratorWell…I’m gonna just throw this out. I don’t think I’ve said this on this board.
I think the best argument to convince a leftist/progressive to vote for Biden is that it’s quite possibly the last chance to vote meaningfully.
If Trump wins. And the GOP has control. They will not only finish the redistricting job on the basis of this year’s census, they will pass more laws restricting/suppressing the vote, and probably put in more unaccountable electric voting machines, and back all that up with courts they will continue to stack. It will be Over over. You won’t be able to elect a progressive in 2024 even if there is one, and that person gets the most votes. They are THAT close to shutting off life support for democracy.
This country is drowning, and the only thing to grab is a rotten, water-logged piece of old driftwood. But that’s all there is. I mean…it would be better if there was a life preserver, but there’s not.
Yup. There’s nothing about Biden that makes him a worthwhile candidate.
But 4 more years of Trump could essentially end democracy in this country.
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Moderatorhad to make this pic.twitter.com/NKJTqsf6y4
— Chad Loder (@chadloder) April 19, 2020
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ModeratorThat’s the key. We’re not in court. There’s no evidence available for us to evaluate. No burden of proof has to be met. All we have is the word of a woman who is risking a lot by coming forward vs the word of a man who has a history of inappropriate touching and general creepiness. She may be lying or he may be lying. No way to know for sure. It sucks that it’s this way, but I’m not just going to dismiss it because there’s no way to know conclusively. The crime is too heinous for that. I’m going with my gut. I believe her.
For what it’s worth, the FBI says less than 8% of sexual assault claims are fraudulent.
And I’m still voting for Biden.
But would you still say “I’m going with my gut. I believe her” if the “claim” was made by Biden staffer against Bernie-since the only information you have is her story? I’m thinking that if your totally honest with yourself-either here on this board or alone with your private thoughts-you would truly hesitate before pronouncing as you did referring to Biden: “Politicians who rape their staffers are evil”. You see-to me that tells me that its clearly more about politics than about rape-and does a disservice to actual victims of sexual assault. Maybe we are just different. I simply cannot imagine myself, upon hearing a claim by a Biden staffer that Bernie sexually assaulted her some time, some where, that Bernie is a rapist. I wouldn’t do that. Maybe my real point in all this is anecdotal and that is listening to so many Sanders supporters as it relates to anyone not a “progressive” there is just so much vitriol (almost “hate” ) for those not part of their own crowd and I do not hear the same heated anger toward Sanders coming from moderates. With progressives it gets very personal when it comes to Biden-much like Trump’s “sloppy Joe”-but even worse -i.e. he’s a “rapist”. I genuinely believe that is why so many people that otherwise would have supported Sanders left his camp. And that is truly sad for me because I believe Sanders is a very decent man who plays by the rules.
Finally, your FBI figure (8%) is bogus. The reason is that those in the rape prevention field believe that by far the majority of victims of rape-be they women or men-fail to report the assault. The FBI figure refers to reported rapes that were investigated.
If a member of Biden’s camp claimed that Bernie had raped her, I would tend to believe her. Bernie doesn’t have the history of inappropriate touching that creepy Uncle Joe has, so maybe I’d find it more incredulous than the claim against Biden, but ultimately I would probably believe her. Accusing powerful public figures of rape comes at a huge cost. When women come forward with these claims, they take a huge risk that their lives will be ruined. They often have threats made against their lives like Christine Ford and the women who accused Trump. What do they gain by it? Their rapists won’t be prosecuted. Hell, they rarely suffer any consequences. Trump became president after admitting to sexually assaulting women on tape, and being accused of sexual assault by 17 women. Kavanaugh still gets to sit on the Supreme Court after being accused while his accuser is or was in hiding. Joe Biden might be the next president despite being accused. These women gain nothing by doing this except additional misery. That’s why I believe Biden’s accuser, and why I would most likely believe Bernie’s as well.
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ModeratorJoe Biden a rapist ? Right. I’m sure Sanders has so little class he would support a rapist. Elizabeth Warren ? Oh, she doesn’t care either -she too would support a rapist. And all the rest of those candidates who support Biden. Obama, Harris, Yang, Buttigieg, Klobuchar. Clearly, they all have no morals since they are supporting a rapist. Then again maybe they too are all sexual predators so it doesn’t bother them in the least. Then again maybe they don’t even know about this “allegation”, huh ?
I believe it is this precise reason why so many undecided people turned away from Sanders-not so much because of Bernie’s policies but because of the vitriol spread by his supporters-which sadly taints a good man. A true progressive to me has always been a champion of the rights of an individual. Calling a person a rapist based on a “claim” only without knowing the claimant and or anything about that person other than they work for someone who you share political common ground with is more than simply distasteful. And I strongly suspect that if the tables were reversed with Sanders being the accused there would be no such fervor.
Most moderate democrats I know harbor no ill will toward Sanders, Stein, Warren, or for that matter any other progressives. Based on the language from progressives -I do know a few-plus media accounts, I can’t say the same in terms of how they relate to “other” democrats. The rapist claim is simply one example. It smacks of Willie Horton all over again. Maybe the far left and far right do share something.
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Sexual assault allegations are a nightmare. We dont know. He might be a rapist, She might be a liar. Its a nightmare.
How would you suggest voters and the media handle it?
We know how a court of law would handle it, but we are not in a court of law. So, people arent limited by legal standards. I have no problem with people believing her. Or him. Or believing they dont know. We’re not in court.
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vThat’s the key. We’re not in court. There’s no evidence available for us to evaluate. No burden of proof has to be met. All we have is the word of a woman who is risking a lot by coming forward vs the word of a man who has a history of inappropriate touching and general creepiness. She may be lying or he may be lying. No way to know for sure. It sucks that it’s this way, but I’m not just going to dismiss it because there’s no way to know conclusively. The crime is too heinous for that. I’m going with my gut. I believe her.
For what it’s worth, the FBI says less than 8% of sexual assault claims are fraudulent.
And I’m still voting for Biden.
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ModeratorNittany,
Looks like I failed again to make my point clearly enough.
I’m talking about if a leftist chooses to vote for one major party or the other, and just between those two.
I think voting Socialist, Green or Frisbetarian makes plenty of sense, as does staying home, if that’s what a citizen chooses. It’s up to all of us. Our choice, obviously.
Just saying that any sort of internal debate regarding the two major parties should be easy for leftists. If we’re going to cast a vote, and if that vote is earmarked for one or the other . . . it shouldn’t be a tough decision.
If I’m still being as clear as mud, apologies in advance.
Ok, I get it. I misundertood. I thought you were saying that Biden, regardless of his transgressions, is a slam dunk choice over Trump. I agree he’s better than Trump, but the issue isn’t cut-n-dry. There are other considerations and plenty of reasons not to vote for Biden.
What you’re really saying is that if you had to choose between two major parties, you would attend the one featuring Frisbee activities. I assume you’re referring to games like Frolf (Frisbee golf) and Ultimate (Frisbee football).
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ModeratorSo we’re stuck with a choice between a serial sexual predator, and one who possibly did this once — which is obviously once too often. But it’s not just the person in the White House, when all is said and done. We get their ideology too, their agenda, their personnel choices, their party, its ideology, its agenda, etc.
To me, it’s an easy choice, if forced to choose between the two (rotten choices) and just those two: the Dems. IMO, if it’s a binary thing only, no leftist should need more than two seconds to decide.
Well, I don’t think Biden is a serial predator, but I have no reason to doubt this woman’s claim, and I think you might be letting him off a little easy. Biden has long been alleged to be “handsy” and to touch women inappropriately.
I myself will most likely vote for Biden, because, as you say, if I have to choose between two rapists, I’ll choose the slightly less objectionable rapist. But I’m not sure it’s fair to say any leftist should be able to make this choice easily. The woman who Biden is accused of assaulting did some work for Bernie’s campaign, so I’m assuming she’s at least something of a leftist. Should she feel compelled to vote for her rapist over Trump? Should any woman, regardless of political affiliation, feel compelled to vote for a rapist?
I no longer buy into the “a vote for ‘x’ is a vote for ‘y’” precept. People need to be able to vote their conscience, and not feel pressured to vote for someone they object to, and if someone’s conscience won’t let them vote for a rapist, even if that rapist shares the same political views, then I’m ok with that.
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ModeratorIt would be surreal to watch an NFL game without fans in the stadium. It would be a real disadvantage to teams that seem to rely on crowd noise like the Seahawks and Saints, so I’m all for it.
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ModeratorI, as a moderate, have never once thought of Sanders as “evil”. But most progressives apparently do feel that anyone outside their small club are “evil”. And I genuinely believe that is what turned off many a moderate Dem. voter who thought Biden was too old and would have preferred Sanders. But the “you play by my rules or I take my ball and go home ” crowd didn’t help Sanders in the end. And that’s too bad in my opinion.
I think politicians who rape their staffers are evil.
And on what FACTS do you base this statement-besides some anti Biden blog someplace. (hopefully not from the Sanders camp) That is an awfully important claim which IMO should always be sounded on something solid. Otherwise its simply Fox news or worse-just pure crap.
It’s based on claims made by the victim, Tara Reade. She claims Biden pinned her against a wall, began kissing her, and then reached under her dress and digitally raped her.
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ModeratorI, as a moderate, have never once thought of Sanders as “evil”. But most progressives apparently do feel that anyone outside their small club are “evil”. And I genuinely believe that is what turned off many a moderate Dem. voter who thought Biden was too old and would have preferred Sanders. But the “you play by my rules or I take my ball and go home ” crowd didn’t help Sanders in the end. And that’s too bad in my opinion.
I think politicians who rape their staffers are evil.
April 15, 2020 at 1:51 pm in reply to: (on the virus): Here’s how we got here (w/ Washington Post analysis) #113683nittany ram
ModeratorI have a theory, myself. I think a Virus wiped out the Dinosaurs. It was a meteor-virus. A big meteor landed and there was an alien corona-virus on it.
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vI’m in a debate with some “elsewhere” who argue that herd immunity will eventually protect us. Not just me debating, I am on a side. Our side argues that herd immunity needs a vaccine, it doesn’t just arise spontaneously. The other side thinks it arises spontaneously. Right now though we don’t even know if you can get this again, and there are signs you can, or some can anyway. They didn’t have a vaccine for the Spanish Flu, and it took 3 years to go away. (Probably because it mutated into something more benign, like, for example, dedicated football fandom).
Yes, it will require a vaccine to develop herd immunity to this virus. Somewhere around 70% of the population would have to be immune to the virus for herd immunity to develop. Assuming for a moment that people can develop natural immunity to this virus it would only require a few months to infect the required number of people if none of the current precautions were taken. Of course, this would lead to the deaths of millions of people. And even if you can develop natural immunity to this virus, it likely will only last a few months or years based on what we know about other corona viruses. Therefore, maintaining herd immunity will likely require multiple vaccinations over a lifetime.
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April 15, 2020 at 6:54 am in reply to: (on the virus): Here’s how we got here (w/ Washington Post analysis) #113656nittany ram
ModeratorAt about the four minute mark, he alludes to somethin i never thot about: When the Europeans came to America the viruses they brought kilt 90 percent of the Native Americans — but why wasnt it the other way around? Why didnt Native diseases kill the Europeans?
There actually is an answer to that.
The greatest concentration of domesticable wildlife in the world was originally in the Fertile Crescent. Whoever first domesticated those animals also caught diseases from them. That means that that population, over time, essentially consisted of the descendents of the survivors of those diseases. Over even more time that means that wherever those descendents–the original Eurasians–went, they brought those diseases with them as immune carriers. So when Europeans came to the western hemisphere, they were the descendents of the original domesticators, and the new world populations they encountered were entirely vulnerable to them.
There is only one domesticable animal native to the entire western hemisphere–the llama.
It’s not just the natives in north america that were wiped out. That was equally true in central and south america.
BTW taming and domestication are of course entirely different things. Just to get that in.
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Well, the Doctor in the Vid answers the question too. I’m not sure if his answer is the same as the one you just laid out, or if its different. He didnt say anything about Fertile Crescents.
Anyway, my favorite part of this Vid (and its awfully good, imho) starts around the 36 minute mark. Just watch about five minutes starting from the 36 min mark. I love the part where he quotes the the CEO from Big-Poultry.
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vSpeaking of immunity, coronaviruses were first discovered in the 1960’s but have been associated with people for thousands of years. There are deadly ones – MERS, SARS, SARS-CoV-2, but most are relatively harmless and cause nothing more serious than the common cold.
However, many of the strains of “harmless” coronaviruses could have been as deadly or deadlier than the virus that’s causing today’s pandemic. They may have decimated ancient populations. They seem harmless to us only because we are the descendants of the survivors that were immune to those viruses when they first came in contact with humans thousands of years ago.
nittany ram
ModeratorI dunno. The uniforms look like cheesy plastic to me. They always do. Gazillion-dollar movies, and the uniforms always look like plastic to me. Star Wars is unwatchable for me, because of the cheesy plastic uni’s.
I hope, at least, the logo is good.
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vWhat you call ‘cheesy plastic’ is actually an advanced space-age polymer that provides Imperial Storm Troopers protection from anything except Rebel blaster fire or an angry Wookie.
Besides, it looks really cool.
Cheesy plastic indeed.
The next thing you’ll tell me is that the carrot creature on ‘Lost in Space’ didn’t look real.
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ModeratorA small (n = 440) Brazillian trial of chlorquine (not hydroxychloroquine) alongside azithromycin has been halted after 20 days because the drug had no benefit for #COVID19 patients and was killing people. https://t.co/omHLJCfQCR Do. Not. Recommend. Unproven. Therapies.
— Brian Dunning (@BrianDunning) April 13, 2020
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ModeratorCOVID-19 becomes leading cause of death in US – surpassing heart disease…
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ModeratorHydroxychloroquine trial stopped due to major cardiac risk…
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ModeratorThis is a study from @waynestate, by the way, the university where I'm faculty. It's not truly randomized, but it is depressing. It suggests that, instead of benefiting #COVID19 patients, #Hydroxychloroquine might well cause harm. At the very least, this study shows zero benefit. https://t.co/DC6Shyhd7N
— David Gorski, MD, PhD (@gorskon) April 11, 2020
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Moderatori’m actually ok with this. rams need linebackers and olinemen. even an rb.
i’m not so comfortable with allen at center. i’d like them to draft one this year. i’d like them to draft a left tackle for the future as well. and some linebackers.
i think with higbee emerging cooks was a luxury. hopefully, reynolds can be the deep threat. kupp, woods, and higbee should be enough with the other receivers complementing them. i think even a guy like edwards-helaire in the second round could add another receiving threat.
i’m excited.
Yeah, supposedly the first three rounds of this draft are polluted with WR talent.
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ModeratorAt a time when millions of people are losing their jobs and their health insurance, the United States government must guarantee that you will have all of the health care you need. https://t.co/RiN5F2meZo
— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) April 7, 2020
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ModeratorThe Rams and Chargers are going to share a stadium, a logo and now a show!
They’re reportedly set to be on "Hard Knocks" – if training camps happen. https://t.co/0BxD4QTCqC
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) April 7, 2020
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ModeratorEcosystem returned to normal? pic.twitter.com/Pnz2DZmgdR
— Kathleen Hefferon, PhD (@KHefferon) April 5, 2020
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Moderator— Kathleen Hefferon, PhD (@KHefferon) April 5, 2020
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ModeratorYou know you’ve thought about it…. pic.twitter.com/Ln4NgHLMCr
— The OG Devil's Agvocate (@MGigger) April 6, 2020
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ModeratorSo when someone says “Single payer healthcare would not have prevented COVID-19” just know that they are evading talking about this stuff right here https://t.co/uR9XLAAknw
— Paul F. Tompkins (@PFTompkins) April 2, 2020
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ModeratorIt’s amazing to me what doesn’t make a politician unelectable.
– sexual assault
– blatant lying about easily provable facts
– using your position to gain favors for family members
– violating emoluments clauses
– blackmail
– etcetera ad Infinitumnittany ram
ModeratorI’m sorry that you have to deal with all this, BillyT. 2020 has been a steaming pile of shit so far.
I also apologize if I seemed unsympathetic before. My wife complains about my “reservedness” all the time. She comes from a big Peruvian family that is very visibly caring and supportive. I come from a small family that is also very supportive and caring, but we just don’t show it so much. But that doesn’t mean I don’t care. You are one of my favorite people on the internet and I seriously hope you come through this ok. You are in my thoughts.
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ModeratorThose videos are really cool. Thanks, Vader.
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ModeratorI demand to know who made this meme and why they didn’t just @ me. pic.twitter.com/eFl0SmPMqJ
— the apocalypse, but fashion 🦝 (@ElleArmageddon) March 27, 2020
March 28, 2020 at 8:51 am in reply to: I never get tired of watching this…ESPN airing this game Monday 3/30 #113090nittany ram
ModeratorAn instant classic.@ESPN + @NFL will be airing the 2018 Chiefs-Rams thriller this coming Monday.
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) March 27, 2020
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ModeratorCould the same thing potentially happen with Gurley, if the Falcons’ doctors say his knee won’t pass the physical?
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