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  • in reply to: Zuerlein … back from the back? #86785
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    Remember Ficken’s 1st game in Tenn last year?

    Missed extra point and missed chip shot to start his NFL career….

    There’s an added sense of urgency from the offense when the kicker sucks…. even the GSOT had “money” Wilkens… you need a combat proven kicker…

    Let’s hope Greg Z comes back in original form… and with the new kick off rule it’s best to have a kicker that consistently boots it out of the end zone like Zuerlein can.

    in reply to: Jason Whitlock on Fox #86757
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    Whitlock makes a point that from little league on up, that kids are taught “no excuses” but the point he missed is the best players typically play at all levels of play….

    That wasn’t the case for Kapernick. he was black balled from playing at the highest level….. “what excuse” did the owners have in black balling a more than capable QB, who has proven him self in huge playoff wins… on the road….

    BTW, he also said that SF and Silicon valley is revolutionary and progressive.

    What exactly is wrong with being revolutionary and progressive? that’s the fundamental building blocks of being visionary.

    BTW, Tucker Carlson is an ass.

    in reply to: informal poll: which 2 out of 3 #86614
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    If Gurley was utilized more vs ATL last season I think the Rams win that playoff game….

    Foles has a ring, he played Case in the NFC title game

    With McVay as coach and Whiteorth at LT I think i’d make Goff expendable.

    But fuck that….I want cake and ice cream and for this msg board some pie too. I want all three….

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    yep, you guys are right…..

    the RAMS need to stay healthy and have luck on their side.

    Offense wins games and defense wins championships….

    and they have both a roster and a coaching staff that is good enough to put themselves in position to get lucky.

    They scored 30+ points per game last year…. (gave up 20 per game)…… new roster shows that they’re better than what they did last year……

    in reply to: Some Pictures #86203
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    Ok now I get it…

    LINK: https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/05/14/lake-merritt-bbq-confrontation-sparks-protests/

    OAKLAND — A confrontation that went viral when someone complained to police about a group of black people barbecuing at Lake Merritt is sparking protests this week and reigniting a new-versus-old residents debate.
    Demonstrators plan to gather at 4:30 p.m. Tuesday in front of City Hall for a “Grill Your Government” protest and for a “BBQ’N While Black” event Sunday on Lakeshore Avenue, the site of the controversy attracting national attention.
    Those planning to attend Tuesday’s protest in Frank Ogawa Plaza are asked to “wear cookout clothes, bring grills, but mostly, demand a response for this abuse of city services,” according to the event flie

    protests are in response to a white woman’s April 29 call to Oakland police to report a black family barbecuing on Lakeshore Avenue near Cleveland Cascade. A video of the woman calling and waiting for police to arrive has gone viral and received criticism that it was racially motivated and is another example of gentrification in Oakland.
    “People have had enough. The gentleman who was approached at the lake was minding his own business,” said Jhamel Robinson, founder of The Real Oakland and one of the organizers of Sunday’s event. “Whatever laws are in place … that lady had no reason to mess with them.”

    the video, the unidentified woman is heard saying she called police because the family was using a charcoal grill in an area where only non-charcoal barbecues are allowed. A person who shot the video questioned whether she called authorities because the family is black, which the woman denied. Police later arrived and did not ticket or arrest anyone.
    The daytime confrontation is not the first controversy at Lake Merritt, which has become a more popular destination since bond measure money improved it. Anti-cruising signs along Lakeshore Avenue date back to the 1990s. In 2015, another white resident called police on black and Latino people drumming near the pergola and colonnade.
    Because of growing crowds and environmental concerns, a committee of the city’s Parks and Recreation Department designed rules involving barbecues, installing charcoal grills on the Grand Avenue side. Stationary grills were placed behind Children’s Fairyland, near the Sailboat House on Bellevue Avenue and a pit farther down Bellevue near Staten Avenue.
    Pamela Drake of the Lakeshore Business Improvement District said the city was resistant to putting charcoal barbecues on Lakeshore Avenue and the grassy knoll on Hanover Avenue.
    “I understand why you can’t use charcoal on grass,” said Drake, a member of a special committee who toured the lake when the city selected designated areas. “If people are going to barbecue anyway, why make something for people to fight over? Give people the opportunity to do what they want and don’t give people the chance to come down on them.”
    Councilwoman Lynette Gibson McElhaney, whose district includes Adams Point, said the incident is another example of explicit or implicit bias attracting national headlines.
    On April 30 — a day after the Lake Merritt confrontation — a white mother called police on two Native American teenage brothers who had joined a campus tour of Colorado State University, causing outrage. At Yale University, a woman called campus police on a black graduate student who fell asleep in a common area while working on a paper.
    Also last month, two African-American men were arrested at a Philadelphia Starbucks for allegedly trespassing after one of the men had asked to use the restroom.
    “It’s just unacceptable,” Gibson McElhaney said. “If someone is concerned about enforcement, the appropriate thing to do is file a complaint. What we don’t want is this kind of intimidation or interruption that could escalate in a negative way.”
    “It’s a historic pattern and we are tired of it,” added Candice Elder, founder and executive director of East Oakland Collective. “We are slowly losing a large essence of Oakland culture.”
    Robinson, who is organizing “BBQ’N While Black” with Logan Cortez, said he was expecting “25 people to barbecue, listen to music and go home.” The event so far has about 1,500 shares on Facebook.
    “(I want) everybody, all races to come together and hold space at the lake, have a good time and spread love,” Robinson said Monday. “It’s not about black or white, it’s about one Oakland family, one

    in reply to: Some Pictures #86174
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    i don’t get it, but I still chuckled… how is there a correlation between the same woman with a cell phone spying on both the Whitehouse and Soul Train?

    BTW, I don’t believe that smart phones were around when Don Cornelius was hosting the show….

    in reply to: Bill Maher on Trump and his crew #86167
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    Portuguese Revolution:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnation_Revolution

    The Carnation Revolution (Portuguese: Revolução dos Cravos), also referred to as the 25th of April (Portuguese: vinte e cinco de Abril), was initially a military coup in Lisbon, Portugal, on 25 April 1974 which overthrew the authoritarian regime of the Estado Novo.[1] The revolution started as a military coup organized by the Armed Forces Movement (Portuguese: Movimento das Forças Armadas, MFA) composed of military officers who opposed the regime, but the movement was soon coupled with an unanticipated and popular campaign of civil resistance. This movement would lead to the fall of the Estado Novo and the withdrawal of Portugal from its African colonies.

    The name “Carnation Revolution” comes from the fact that almost no shots were fired and that when the population took to the streets to celebrate the end of the dictatorship and war in the colonies, carnations were put into the muzzles of rifles and on the uniforms of the army men by Celeste Caeiro.[2] In Portugal, 25 April is a national holiday, known as Freedom Day (Portuguese: Dia da Liberdade), to celebrate the event

    Overview[edit]

    Portugal had been run by an authoritarian dictatorship (the Estado Novo, or “New State”), which was considered by many to be fascist, for over four decades.[3] The events of the revolution effectively changed the government into a democracy, and produced enormous social, economic, territorial, demographic, and political changes in the country, after two years of a transitional period known as PREC (Processo Revolucionário Em Curso, or On-Going Revolutionary Process), characterized by social turmoil and power disputes between left- and right-wing political forces.[citation needed]

    Despite repeated appeals by the revolutionaries, broadcast over the radio, asking the population to stay home, thousands of Portuguese descended on the streets, mixing with the military insurgents.[4]

    The military-led coup returned democracy to Portugal, ending the unpopular Colonial War in which thousands of Portuguese citizens had been conscripted into military service, and replacing the Estado Novo regime and its secret police which repressed elemental civil liberties and political freedoms. It started as a professional class[5] protest of Portuguese Armed Forces captains against a decree law: the Dec Lei nº 353/73 of 1973.[6][7]

    A group of Portuguese low-ranking officers organised within the Armed Forces Movement (MFA – Movimento das Forças Armadas), including some who had been fighting the pro-independence guerrillas in the Portuguese empire’s territories in Africa,[8] and rose to overthrow the Estado Novo regime that had ruled Portugal since the 1930s. Portugal’s new regime pledged itself to end the colonial wars and began negotiations with the African independence movements. By the end of 1974, Portuguese troops had been withdrawn from Portuguese Guinea and the latter had become a UN member state. This was followed by the independence of Cape Verde, Mozambique, São Tomé and Príncipe and Angola in 1975. The Carnation Revolution in Portugal also led to Portugal’s withdrawal from East Timor in south-east Asia. These events prompted a mass exodus of Portuguese citizens from Portugal’s African territories (mostly from Angola and Mozambique), creating over a million Portuguese refugees — the retornados.[9][10]

    Although the regime’s political police, PIDE, killed four people before surrendering, the revolution was unusual in that the revolutionaries did not use direct violence to achieve their goals. Holding red carnations (cravos in Portuguese), many people joined revolutionary soldiers on the streets of Lisbon, in apparent joy and audible euphoria.[11] Red is a symbolic colour for socialism and communism, which were the main ideological tendencies of many anti-New State insurgents.[12] It was the end of the Estado Novo, the longest-lived authoritarian regime in Western Europe, and the final dissolution of the Portuguese Empire. In the aftermath of the revolution a new constitution was drafted, censorship was formally prohibited, free speech was declared, political prisoners were released and the Portuguese overseas territories in Sub-Saharan Africa were immediately given their independence. East Timor was also offered independence, shortly before being invaded by Indonesia.

    Context[edit]

    At the beginning of the 1970s, the authoritarian regime of the Estado Novo (“New State”) continued to weigh heavily on the country, after a half-century of rule under the President of the Council of Ministers António de Oliveira Salazar. After the 28 May 1926 coup d’état, Portugal implemented an authoritarian regime of social-Catholic and Integralist inspiration. In 1933, the regime was recast and renamed Estado Novo (“New State”), and Salazar was named as President of the Council of Ministers until 1968, when he suffered a stroke following a domestic accident. He was replaced in September by Marcello Caetano, who served as President of the Council of Ministers (Prime Minister) until he was deposed on 25 April 1974.

    Under the Estado Novo, Portugal’s undemocratic government was tolerated by its NATO partners due to its anti-communist stance; this attitude changed dramatically during the mid-1960s, under pressure of public opinion and leftwing movements rising in Europe.[citation needed] There were formal elections but they were rarely contested—with the opposition using the limited political freedoms allowed during the brief election period to openly protest against the regime, withdrawing their candidates before the election so as not to provide the regime with any legitimacy. In 1958, General Humberto Delgado—a former member of the regime—stood against the regime’s presidential candidate, Américo Tomás, and refused to allow his name to be withdrawn from the competition.

    Tomás won the election, but only amidst claims of widespread electoral fraud that denied Delgado of his ‘legitimate’ victory. Immediately after this election, Salazar’s government abandoned the practice of popularly electing the president, with that task being given thereafter to the regime-loyal National Assembly. During Caetano’s time in office, his attempts at minor political reform were obstructed by the important Salazarist elements within the regime (known as the Bunker). The Estado Novo’s political police—the PIDE (Polícia Internacional e de Defesa do Estado), later to become DGS (Direcção-Geral de Segurança), and originally the PVDE (Polícia de Vigilância e Defesa do Estado)—persecuted opponents of the regime, who were often tortured, imprisoned or killed.

    The international context was not favourable to the Portuguese regime. The Cold War was near its peak, and both Western and Eastern-bloc states were supporting the guerrillas in the Portuguese colonies, attempting to bring these under, respectively, American and Soviet influence (see Portuguese Colonial War). The overseas policy of the Portuguese Government and the desire of many colonial residents to remain under Portuguese rule would lead to an abrupt decolonisation, which occurred only after the Carnation Revolution of April 1974 and the fall of the regime. For the Portuguese ruling regime, the overseas empire was a matter of national interest.

    In the view of many Portuguese, a colonial empire was necessary for continued national power and influence.[citation needed] Despite objections in world forums such as the United Nations, Portugal had long maintained that its African colonies were an integral part of Portugal, and felt obliged to militarily defend them against Communist-inspired armed groups, particularly after India’s annexation of Portuguese exclaves Goa, Daman and Diu (Portuguese India), in 1961 (see Indian Invasion of Goa).[citation needed]

    Independence movements in Portugal’s African possessions[edit]

    Independence movements started operations in the African colonies of Portuguese Mozambique, Portuguese Angola, and Portuguese Guinea. The various conflicts forced the Salazar and Caetano regimes to spend more of the country’s budget on colonial administration and military expenditures, and Portugal soon found itself increasingly isolated from the rest of the world. Throughout the war period Portugal faced increasing dissent, arms embargoes and other punitive sanctions imposed by most of the international community.[13]

    For Portuguese society the war was becoming even more unpopular due to its length and financial costs, the worsening of diplomatic relations with other United Nations members, and the role it had always played as a factor of perpetuation of the Estado Novo regime. It was this escalation that would lead directly to the mutiny of members of the FAP in the Carnation Revolution in 1974 – an event that would lead to the independence of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. Atrocities, such as that at Wiriyamu in Mozambique, undermined the war’s popularity and the government’s diplomatic position – although some details of the Wiriyamu case remain disputed.[13][14][15][16][17][18][19]

    After Caetano succeeded to the presidency, colonial war became a major cause of dissent and a focus for anti-government forces in Portuguese society.[citation needed] Many left-wing students and anti-war activists were forced to leave the country so they could escape conscription, imprisonment and torture by government forces. However, between 1945 and 1974, there were also three generations of militants of the radical right at the Portuguese universities and schools, guided by a revolutionary nationalism partly influenced by the political sub-culture of European neofascism. The core of these radical students’ struggle lay in an uncompromising defense of the Portuguese Empire in the days of the authoritarian regime.[20]

    Economic conditions[edit]

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    The economy of Portugal and its colonies on the eve of the Carnation Revolution was growing well above the European average.[citation needed] Average family purchasing power was rising together with new consumption patterns and trends and this was promoting both investment in new capital equipment and consumption expenditure for durable and nondurable consumer goods.[citation needed] The Estado Novo regime economic policy encouraged and created conditions for the formation of large business conglomerates. The regime maintained a policy of corporatism that resulted in the placement of a big part of the Portuguese economy in the hands of a number of strong conglomerates, including those founded by the families of António Champalimaud (Banco Totta & Açores, Banco Pinto & Sotto Mayor, Secil, Cimpor), José Manuel de Mello (CUF – Companhia União Fabril), Américo Amorim (Corticeira Amorim) and the dos Santos family (Jerónimo Martins).

    Those Portuguese conglomerates had a business model with similarities to South Korean chaebols and Japanese keiretsus and zaibatsus.[citation needed] The Companhia União Fabril (CUF) was one of the largest and most diversified Portuguese conglomerates with its core businesses (cement, chemicals, petrochemicals, agrochemicals, textiles, beer, beverages, metallurgy, naval engineering, electrical engineering, insurance, banking, paper, tourism, mining, etc.) and corporate headquarters located in mainland Portugal, but also with branches, plants and several developing business projects all around the Portuguese Empire, especially in the Portuguese territories of Angola and Mozambique.

    Other medium-sized family companies specialized in textiles (for instance those located in the city of Covilhã and the northwest), ceramics, porcelain, glass and crystal (like those of Alcobaça, Caldas da Rainha and Marinha Grande), engineered wood (like SONAE near Porto), canned fish (like those of Algarve and the northwest), fishing, food and beverages (alcoholic beverages, from liqueurs like Licor Beirão and Ginjinha, to beer like Sagres, were produced across the entire country, but Port Wine was one of its most reputed and exported alcoholic beverages), tourism (well established in Estoril/Cascais/Sintra and growing as an international attraction in the Algarve since the 1960s) and in agriculture (like the ones scattered around the Alentejo – known as the breadbasket of Portugal) completed the panorama of the national economy by the early 1970s. In addition, rural areas’ populations were committed to agrarianism that was of great importance for a majority of the total population, with many families living exclusively from agriculture or complementing their salaries with farming, husbandry and forestry yields.

    Portuguese colonies in Africa during the Estado Novo regime: Angola and Mozambique were by far the two largest of those territories.
    Besides that, the colonies were also displaying impressive economic growth and development rates from the 1920s onwards.[citation needed] Even during the Portuguese Colonial War (1961–1974), a counterinsurgency war against independentist guerrilla and terrorism, Portuguese Angola and Portuguese Mozambique (colonies at the time) had continuous economic growth rates and several sectors of its local economies were booming. They were internationally notable centres of production of oil, coffee, cotton, cashew, coconut, timber, minerals (like diamonds), metals (like iron and aluminium), banana, citrus, tea, sisal, beer (Cuca and Laurentina were successful beer brands produced locally), cement, fish and other sea products, beef and textiles. Tourism was also a fast developing activity in Portuguese Africa both by the growing development of and demand for beach resorts and wildlife reserves.[citation needed]

    Labour unions were not allowed and a minimum wage policy was not enforced. However, in a context of an expanding economy, bringing better living conditions for the Portuguese population in the 1960s, the outbreak of the colonial wars in Africa set off significant social changes, among them the rapid incorporation of more and more women into the labour market. Marcelo Caetano moved on to foster economic growth and some social improvements, such as the awarding of a monthly pension to rural workers who had never had the chance to pay social security. The objectives of Caetano’s pension reform were threefold: enhancing equity, reducing fiscal and actuarial imbalance, and achieving more efficiency for the economy as a whole, for example, by establishing contributions which distorted labour markets less, or by allowing the savings generated by pension funds to increase the investments in the economy.

    After Salazar’s stroke in 1968, Caetano had taken over the office of Prime Minister. His main slogan was “evolution in continuity”, suggesting that there would be a reform of the Salazarist system. His so-called “political spring” (also called Marcelist Spring – Primavera Marcelista) included greater political tolerance and freedom of the press and was regarded as an opportunity by the opposition to gain concessions from the regime. In 1969, the Estado Novo-controlled nation got indeed a very slight taste of democracy and Caetano allowed the establishment of the first democratic labour union movement since the 1920s. Nevertheless, after the elections of 1969 and 1973 it was clear that the past practices of political repression would continue against communists, anti-colonialists and other oppositionists. In 1973, Caetano was pressured by the ultra-right faction inside the Salazarist élite to abandon his reform experiment.[citation needed]

    The colonial war had a profound impact on Portugal—thousands of young men avoided conscription by emigrating illegally, mainly to France and the US. In addition, the other revolutionary Armed Forces Movement (MFA)’s goals were not in the strict interest of the people of Portugal or its colonies, since the movement was initiated not only as an attempt to liberate Portugal from the authoritarian Estado Novo regime, but as an attempt of rebellion against the new Military Laws that were to be presented next year.[21][22]

    The Revolution and the whole movement were also a way to work against Laws that would reduce military costs and would reformulate the whole Portuguese Military Branch (Decree Law: Decretos-Leis n.os 353, de 13 de Julho de 1973, e 409, de 20 de Agosto). Younger military academy graduates resented a program introduced by Marcello Caetano whereby militia officers who completed a brief training program and had served in the colonies’ defensive campaigns, could be commissioned at the same rank as military academy graduates. As the war in the colonies was becoming increasingly unpopular in Portugal itself with the people becoming weary of war and balking at its ever-rising expense, the military insurgents took advantage of it and got some momentum.

    Many ethnic Portuguese of the African colonies were also increasingly willing to accept independence if their economic status could be preserved.[citation needed] Following the coup d’état in Portugal in 1974, the new left-wing revolutionary government of Portugal began to negotiate with the African pro-independence guerrillas. The new government in Lisbon was disinclined to prop up Portugal’s convulsing and by now very expensive empire. All the Portuguese territories in Africa were rapidly granted their independence.

    Events[edit]

    Main article: Timeline of the Carnation Revolution

    Portuguese Government poster from the mid-1970s by artist João Abel Manta (it reads: MFA, People – People, MFA) The character on the left is wearing a military cap, fatigues and boots while holding a garden fork and the one on the right is wearing a farmer’s cap and a military shirt and holding a rifle
    In February 1974, Caetano determined to remove General António de Spínola in the face of increasing dissent by Spinola over the promotion of military officers and the direction of Portuguese colonial policy. This occurred shortly after the publication of Spínolas’s book Portugal and the Future, which expressed his political and military opinion on the Portuguese Colonial War. At this point, several left-wing military officers who opposed the war formed a conspiracy—the Movimento das Forças Armadas (MFA, “Armed Forces Movement”), to overthrow the government by military coup. The MFA was headed by the majors Vitor Alves and Otelo Saraiva de Carvalho and captain Vasco Lourenço and joined by Salgueiro Maia. The movement was significantly aided by other officers in the Portuguese army who supported Spinola and democratic civil and military reform. Some observers have speculated that Costa Gomes actually led the revolution.

    There were two secret signals in the military coup: first the airing (at 10:55 pm) by ‘Emissores Associados de Lisboa’ of the song “E Depois do Adeus” by Paulo de Carvalho, Portugal’s entry in 6 April 1974 Eurovision Song Contest, which alerted the rebel captains and soldiers to begin the coup. Next, on 25 April 1974 at 12:20 am, Rádio Renascença broadcast “Grândola, Vila Morena”, a song by Zeca Afonso, an influential folk and political musician-singer banned from Portuguese radio at the time. This was the signal that the MFA gave to take over strategic points of power in the country and “announced” that the revolution had started and nothing would stop it except “the possibility of a regime’s repression”.

    Six hours later, the Caetano regime relented. Despite repeated appeals from the “captains of April” (of the MFA) on the radio warning the population to stay safe inside their homes, thousands of Portuguese took to the streets, mingling with the military insurgents and supporting them. One of the central points of those gathering was the Lisbon flower market, then richly stocked with carnations, which were in season. Some military insurgents would put these flowers in their gun-barrels, an image which was shown on television around the world. This would be the origin of the name of this “Carnation Revolution”. Although there were no mass demonstrations by the general population prior to the coup, spontaneous civilian involvement turned the military coup into an event with unexpected popular participation.

    Caetano found refuge in the main Lisbon military police station at the Largo do Carmo. This building was surrounded by the MFA, which pressured him to cede power to General Spínola. Both Caetano (the prime minister) and Américo Tomás (the president) fled to Brazil. Caetano spent the rest of his life in Brazil, while Tomás returned to Portugal a few years later.

    The revolution was closely watched from neighbouring Spain, where the government and opposition were planning for the succession of Francisco Franco, who died a year and a half later, in 1975.

    Aftermath[edit]

    A demonstration in Porto on 25 April 1983
    After the military coup in Lisbon on 25 April 1974, power was taken by a military junta, the National Salvation Junta, and Portugal went through a turbulent period, commonly called the Continuing Revolutionary Process (Portuguese: Processo Revolucionário em Curso, or PREC).

    Initially there was a confrontation, at times open, at other times hidden, between the conservative forces around Spinola and the radicals of the MFA. Spinola was forced to appoint key figures in the MFA to senior security positions and as a result an attempted coup to halt the progress of democratisation failed and Spinola was removed from office. Then there followed a confrontation within the MFA, which itself splintered, between the most leftist forces, often close to the Communist party, and the more moderate groupings, often close to the Socialists.

    This phase of the PREC lasted until 25 November 1975, the day of a pro-communist coup followed by a successful counter-coup by pro-democracy moderates, marked by constant friction between liberal-democratic forces and leftist/communist political parties.[23] After a year, the first free election was carried out on 25 April 1975 in order to write a new Constitution that would replace the Constitution of 1933 which prevailed during the Estado Novo period. In 1976, another election was held and the first Constitutional government, led by the centre-left socialist Mário Soares, assumed office.

    Decolonisation[edit]

    Main articles: Retornados, Angolan Civil War, Mozambican Civil War, Indonesian invasion of East Timor, and Lusophobia

    Before April 1974, the war in Africa was consuming as much as 40% of the Portuguese budget and there was no end in sight. At a military level, a part of Guinea-Bissau was de facto independent since 1973, but the capital and the major towns were still under Portuguese control. In Angola and Mozambique, independence movements were only active in a few remote countryside areas from which the Portuguese Army had retreated, and the economies of these two territories were booming.

    A direct consequence of the military coup at Lisbon was the sudden withdrawal of Portuguese administrative and military personnel from Portugal’s overseas colonies. Hundreds of thousands of other Portuguese citizens—workers, small business people, and farmers (often with deep roots in the former colonies)—also returned to Portugal as retornados.

    Angola would later enter into a decades-long civil war which involved nations like the Soviet Union, Cuba, South Africa, and the United States. Millions of Angolans would die in the aftermath of independence, due either to the violence of the armed conflict or malnutrition and disease. After a short period of stability, Mozambique would also later enter into a devastating civil war that left it as one of the poorest nations in the world. Since the 1990s, its situation has improved after the war ended and multi-party elections were held.

    East Timor was invaded by Indonesia and would later be occupied until 1999. There were an estimated 102,800 conflict-related deaths in the period 1974–99 (approximately 18,600 killings and 84,200 ‘excess’ deaths from hunger and illness), the majority of which occurred during the subsequent Indonesian occupation.[24]

    After a long period of one-party rule, Guinea-Bissau endured a brief civil war and a difficult transition to civilian rule in the late 1990s.

    Cape Verde and São Tomé and Príncipe, on the other hand, were spared civil war during the decolonization period, and by the early 1990s, they have both established multi-party political systems.

    Macau remained a Portuguese colony until 1999 when China took control by agreement and went on to pursue a “one country, two systems” policy similar to Hong Kong’s.

    Economic issues[edit]

    Main article: Economic history of Portugal

    The Portuguese economy had changed significantly by 1973 prior to the revolution, compared with its position in 1961. Total output (GDP at factor cost) had grown by 120 percent in real terms. The pre-revolutionary period was characterized by robust annual growth rates for GDP (6.9 percent), industrial production (9 percent), private consumption (6.5 percent), and gross fixed capital formation (7.8 percent). The revolutionary period itself was characterized by a slowly growing economy whose only impetus was the entering of the European Economic Zone. It never reached pre-revolutionary period growth rates. On the other hand, despite the progress in the 1960s and early 1970s, Portugal at the time of the Revolution was still an underdeveloped country with poor infrastructure and inefficient agriculture as well as the worst health and education indicators in Europe.[25]

    However, researchers agree that pre-revolution Portugal increasingly accomplished notable social and economic achievements.[26] After a long period of economic divergence before 1914, the Portuguese economy recovered slightly until 1950, entering thereafter on a path of strong economic growth leading to some convergence with Western Europe, of which Portugal was and remained until the 1980s the poorest country. Portuguese economic growth in the period 1960–73 under the Estado Novo regime (and even with the effects of an expensive war effort in African territories against independence guerrilla groups), created an opportunity for real integration with the developed economies of Western Europe. Through emigration, trade, tourism and foreign investment, individuals and firms changed their patterns of production and consumption, bringing about a structural transformation. Simultaneously, the increasing complexity of a growing economy raised new technical and organizational challenges, stimulating the formation of modern professional and management teams.[27][28]

    On 13 November 1972, a sovereign wealth fund (Fundo do Ultramar – The Overseas Fund) was enacted through the Decree Law Decreto-Lei n.º 448/ /72 and the Ministry of Defense ordinance Portaria 696/72, in order to finance the counterinsurgency effort in the Portuguese colonies.[29] While the counterinsurgency war was won in Angola, it was less than satisfactorily contained in Mozambique and dangerously stalemated in Portuguese Guinea from the Portuguese point of view, so the Portuguese Government had decided to create sustainability policies in order to allow continuous sources of financing for the war effort in the long run. In addition, new Decree Laws (Decree Law: Decretos-Leis n.os 353, de 13 de Julho de 1973, e 409, de 20 de Agosto) were enforced in order to cut down military expenses and increase the number of officers by incorporating militia and military academy officers in the Army branches as equals.[7][21][30][31][32]

    In the agricultural sector, the collective farms, set up in Alentejo after the 1974–75 expropriations due to the leftist military coup of 25 April 1974, proved incapable of modernizing, and their efficiency declined. According to government estimates, about 900,000 hectares (2,200,000 acres) of agricultural land were occupied between April 1974 and December 1975 in the name of land reform; about 32% of the occupations were ruled illegal. In January 1976, the government pledged to restore the illegally occupied land to its owners, and in 1977, it promulgated the Land Reform Review Law. Restoration of illegally occupied land began in 1978.[33][34]

    In 1960, at the initiation of Salazar’s more outward-looking economic policy due to the influence of a new wave of technocrats with background in economics (some of whom trained abroad, including in liberal capitalist graduate schools from the USA and the UK), Portugal’s per capita GDP was only 38 percent of the EC-12 average; by the end of the Salazar period, in 1968, it had risen to 48 percent; and in 1973, on the eve of the revolution, Portugal’s per capita GDP had reached 56.4 percent of the EC-12 average (though the figure is necessarily dampened by the 40% of the budget that went to African wars). In 1975, the year of maximum revolutionary turmoil, Portugal’s per capita GDP declined to 52.3 percent of the EC-12 average. Due to the new revolutionary economic policies, oil shocks, recession in Europe, the return of hundreds of thousands of overseas Portuguese from the former colonies, Portugal underwent an economic crisis starting in 1974–75.[35]

    Convergence of real GDP growth toward the EC average occurred as a result of Portugal’s economic resurgence since 1985. In 1991 Portugal’s GDP per capita climbed to 54.9 percent of the EC average, exceeding by a fraction the level attained during the worst revolutionary period.[36] After the revolution Portugal’s economy would collapse and it took 16 years for the GDP as percentage of the EC-12 average to climb to 54.9 percent again. Portugal had been one of the founding members of EFTA (European Free Trade Association) in 1960. After the fall of the Estado Novo regime and the loss of its colonies in 1974 and 1975, Portugal left EFTA and entered into the European Economic Community in 1986.

    A report published in January 2011 by the Diário de Notícias, a right-wing Portuguese tabloid newspaper, attempted to demonstrate that in the period between the Carnation Revolution in 1974 and 2010, the democratic Portuguese Republic governments have encouraged over expenditure and investment bubbles through unclear public-private partnerships. This has funded numerous ineffective and unnecessary external consultancy and advising committees and firms, allowed considerable slippage in state-managed public works, inflated top management and head officers’ bonuses and wages, causing a persistent and lasting recruitment policy that has boosted the number of redundant public servants. The economy has also been damaged by risky credit, public debt creation and mismanaged European structural and cohesion funds for almost four decades. Apparently, the Prime Minister Sócrates’s cabinet was not able to forecast or prevent any of this when symptoms first appeared in 2005, and later was incapable of doing anything to ameliorate the situation when the country was on the verge of bankruptcy in 2011 and required financial assistance from the International Monetary Fund and the European Union.[37]

    Freedom of religion[edit]

    The constitution of 1976 guarantees all religions the right to practice their faith. Non-Roman Catholic groups came to be recognized as legal entities with the right to assemble. Portuguese who were both not Roman Catholics and were conscientious objectors had the right to apply for alternative military service. The Roman Catholic Church, however, still sought to place barriers in the way of missionary activities.[38]

    The new authorities abolished the ban on activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses. In December 1976, the religious organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses was registered. In 1978, in Lisbon, they organized their first international convention in Portugal.[39]

    Freedom Day[edit]

    Freedom Day on 25 April is a national holiday in Portugal, with both state-sponsored and spontaneous commemorations praising the elemental civil liberties and political freedoms achieved after the revolution. It commemorates both 25 April 1974 military coup, and the first free elections on that date in 1975.

    Monuments[edit]

    Originally named after António de Oliveira Salazar, in honour of the President of the Council of Ministers, the 25 de Abril Bridge (Ponte 25 de Abril) is an icon of Lisbon.
    The construction of the 25 de Abril Bridge began on 5 November 1962. Forty-five months later, the bridge was inaugurated on 6 August 1966 as the Salazar Bridge, after the Estado Novo regime’s leader António de Oliveira Salazar. Soon after the Carnation Revolution in 1974, the bridge was renamed the 25 de Abril Bridge, the day the revolution had occurred. A symbol of those times was captured on film, with citizens removing the big brass “Salazar” sign from one of the main pillars of the bridge and painting a provisional “25 de Abril” in its place.

    In Portugal, many avenues, squares, and streets are named after the day of the revolution, vinte e cinco de Abril.

    The Portuguese Mint chose the 40th anniversary of the Carnation Revolution for its 2014 2 euro commemorative coin.[40]

    Evaluations of the revolution’s outcomes[edit]

    After an early period of turmoil, Portugal emerged as a democratic country. It took several years to create a strong democratic government due to the radical leftist inclination of some of the leading revolutionaries, and during this period Portugal divested itself of almost all of its colonies and underwent severe economic turmoil, as the old regime had shaped the Portuguese economy with such a stranglehold that it took some time to nationalize and reprivatize businesses. For the Portuguese and their former colonies, this was a very difficult period, but many[who?] felt that the short-term effects of the Carnation Revolution were well worth the trouble when civil rights and political freedoms were achieved. The Portuguese celebrate Freedom Day on 25 April every year, and the day is a national holiday in Portugal.

    Most moderate or non-aligned political sectors of the population consider that the core objectives of the revolution were achieved, although there are differing views held by supporters of the former regime and also by supporters of the revolution who felt it did not go far enough.[citation needed]

    By refusing to grant independence to its colonies in Africa, the Portuguese ruling regime of Estado Novo was criticized by most of the international community, and its leaders Salazar and Caetano were accused of being deaf to the so-called “winds of change”. After the Carnation Revolution in 1974 and the fall of the incumbent Portuguese authoritarian regime, almost all the Portuguese-ruled territories outside Europe became independent. Several historians have described the stubbornness of the regime as a lack of sensibility to the “winds of change”. For the regime, those overseas possessions were a matter of national interest.

    In 2011 during the Portuguese financial crisis when the country was under the right-wing government of Pedro Passos Coelho and had to request international financial assistance, Otelo Saraiva de Carvalho stated that he wouldn’t have made the revolution if he had known what the country would become after it.[41] He also stated that the country would need a man as honest as Salazar to deal with the crisis, but from a non-fascist perspective.[42]. But later he reverted his position and said that the Carnation Revolution was worth it and that he was proud of his role in it.

    in reply to: the uniform #86086
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    The STL Gold on the current blue and white jersey looks stupid. I can’t imagine those sell very well either

    I hope the league shows some flexibility and lets them both wear Gabriel and Dickerson era jerseys

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    good interview…..

    when asked who his favorite band was, I knew he would say Huey Lewis… they were buds, Huey was on the sidelines a lot at Candlestick during Montana’s hey day and huey and Montana asked the 49ers if Huey could take 1 snap under center for a game… never happened.. back in the 80’s I wasn’t a big fan of either Huey nor Montana….. I couldn’t stand them..

    BTW, do you folks remember when the term “goat of the game” was the guy who blew it and cost their team the game? but to me goat will always refer to Pontiac GTOs…….

    Joe’s point about making a great QB is accuracy… that’s why I like Bradford so much, he is very accurate.

    Joe was very accurate ZERO INTS in the Super Bowl… except for this one: Joe’s SB pick that never was…

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    very cool… keep us posted….

    in reply to: Charlie Weiss on NFL radio this morning said… #85883
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    CK7’s last 6 games with SF

    Jimmy G’s last 6 games with SF

    CK7

    Seattle Jan 1, 2017: 17 for 22 for 215 yards 77.3% 122 QBR 1TD ZERO INT
    Rams Dec 24, 2016: 28 for 37 for 266 yards 75.7% 102 QBR 2 TD 1 INT
    ATL Dec 18, 2016: 20 for 33 for 183 yards 60.6% 96 QBR 2 TD ZERO INT
    NYJ Dec 11, 2016; 15 for 26 for 133 yards 57.7% 84 QBR 1 TD ZERO INT
    Chi Dec 4, 2016: 1 for 5 for 4 yards, 20% 40 QBR ZERO TD ZERO INT
    Mia Nov 27, 2016: 29 for 49 for 296 yards, 63% 77 QBR 3 TD 1 INT
    Totals 110 for 172 for 1097 yards 64% 87 QBR 9 TD 2 INT

    Jimmy G;
    Rams Dec 31, 2017; 20 for 33 61% for 292 yards 84 QBR 2 TD 2 INT
    Jax Dec 24, 2017; 21 for 30 70% for 242 yards 102.4 QBR 2 TD 1 INT
    Tenn Dec 17, 2017; 31 for 43 72% for 381 yards 107 QBR 1 TD ZERO INT
    Hou Dec 10, 2017 20 for 33 72% for 334 yards 92 QBR 1 TD 1 INT
    Chi Dec 3, 2017 26 for 37 70% for 293 yards 84.4 QBR ZERO TD 1 INT

    Totals 121 for 176 68% for 1542 93 rating 6 TDs 5 INTS

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    great vids…. I think Noam is a Maiden fan….

    wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Minutes_to_Midnight

    protest song about nuclear war, “2 Minutes to Midnight” was written by Adrian Smith and Bruce Dickinson.

    The song title references the Doomsday Clock, the symbolic clock used by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, which represents a countdown to potential global catastrophe. In September 1953 the clock reached two minutes to midnight, the closest it ever got to midnight, when the United States and Soviet Union tested H-bombs within nine months of one another.[1] The atomic clock, set at 12 minutes to midnight in 1972, regressed thereafter among US–Soviet tensions, reaching three minutes to midnight in 1984 – the year this track was released – and at that time the most dangerous clock reading since 1953.[2] According to Dickinson, the song critically addresses “the romance of war” in general rather than the Cold War in particular.[3]

    IF this intro doesn’t give you the urge to head-bang, then you must be dead…..

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    underrated should be much higher…..

    I was critical that the Rams signed this guy last year, I thought he was too old…. I was very wrong..didn’t realize how great he plays.

    Loved watching this guy dominate last year. Unsung in last season’s success, he was one the main reasons that the Rams won games last year.

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    Jim Everett must be relieved

    Tavon was giving the #11 in blue and gold a bad name.

    Now it’s Danny White’s turn to cringe if Tavon ever touches the ball again….

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    No wonder those kids are not playing D1, they’re dumb asses.

    Are you kidding? Not one of those prospects didn’t realize that was Jared Goff? Did they think that it was Sunshine from Remember the Titans?

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    that’s a tough decision…… good luck…..

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    yes, Euro league was kind of cool…… Summer league concept for the NFL have been around since New Orleans wanted to land “pro football” for their planned “Superdome” …. with a spring league in 1965….

    USFL was based on the same precedence, but some asshole who owned the NJ Generals wanted to compete in the fall months directly against the NFL to worm his way into the league:

    USFL WIKI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Football_League

    The ideas behind the USFL were conceived in 1965 by New Orleans businessman David Dixon, who saw a market for a professional football league that would play in the summer, when the National Football League and college football were in their off-season. Dixon had been a key player in the construction of the Louisiana Superdome and the expansion of the NFL into New Orleans in 1967.[1] He developed “The Dixon Plan”—a blueprint for the USFL based upon securing NFL-caliber stadiums in top TV markets, securing a national TV broadcast contract, and controlling spending—and found investors willing to buy in.

    In 1985, the USFL voted to move from a spring to a fall schedule in 1986 to compete directly with the NFL. This was done at the urging of New Jersey Generals majority owner Donald Trump and a handful of other owners as a way to force a merger between the leagues. As part of this strategy, the USFL filed an anti-trust lawsuit against the National Football League in 1986, and a jury ruled that the NFL had violated anti-monopoly laws. However, in a victory in name only, the USFL was awarded a judgment of just $1, which under anti-trust laws, was tripled to $3.[2] This court decision effectively ended the USFL’s existence. The league never played the 1986 season, and by the time it folded, it had lost over US$163 million.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_of_American_Football

    Teams will have 50 players on each roster, with some selected by a territorial draft.[4]
    Telecasts will feature no television timeouts and 60 percent fewer commercials, with the league aiming for an approximate real-time game length of 150 minutes, down from just over 180 in the NFL.[4][3]
    All teams must attempt two-point conversions after each touchdown; there will be no extra point kicks.[3]
    There will be no kickoffs; all possessions will begin on each team’s own 25-yard line, the same as touchbacks in the NFL and NCAA. The team on defense can keep the ball, in lieu of an onside kick, by attempting a scrimmage play from their own 35-yard line and gaining at least 10 yards.[3][1]
    The play clock will run only 30 seconds, 10 seconds shorter than in the NFL.[3]
    Two coach’s challenges per team are the only replays.[3]
    Outside organizations will handle head-safety protocols.[7]

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    aw that sucks…. never easy.

    what is ailing the dog?

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    He was my favorite military movie character of all time

    in reply to: Most overrated albums #85067
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    for me, it’s Boston….

    In addition, i’ll never understand the popularity that Meat Loaf and Bruce Springsteen had…….. I just don’t get it. To me, they fucking sucked……

    Top 500 Rock Albums below: How Van Halen’s debut album didn’t make top 10 is beyond me…..

    http://automags.org/forums/showthread.php?221628-Top-500-Classic-Rock-Albums-of-all-Time

    500 IRON BUTTERFLY – INNA-GADDA-DA-VIDA
    499 MARSHALL TUCKER BAND – DEBUT
    498 ELVIS COSTELLO – THIS YEARS MODEL
    497 STEVE MILLER BAND – BRAVE NEW WORLD
    496 INXS – LISTEN LIKE THIEVES
    495 DEEP PURPLE – PERFECT STRANGERS
    494 MOODY BLUES – EVERY GOOD BOY DESERVES FAVOUR
    493 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – TUNNEL OF LOVE
    492 JOHNNY WINTER – SECOND WINTER
    491 AEROSMITH – DONE WITH MIRRORS
    490 DAVID BOWIE – DIAMOND DOGS
    489 BOB DYLAN – DESIRE
    488 AC/DC – FLY ON THE WALL
    487 JEFF BECK – WIRED
    486 THE DOORS – THE SOFT PARADE
    485 PATTI SMITH – EASTER
    484 GRATEFUL DEAD – BLUES FOR ALLAH
    483 LOU REED – TRANSFORMER
    482 ERIC CLAPTON – ANOTHER TICKET
    481 LITTLE FEAT – DIXIE CHICKEN
    480 NEIL YOUNG – LIVE AT MASSEY HALL, 1971
    479 JEFFERSON STARSHIP – RED OCTOPUS
    478 THE BAND – STAGE FRIGHT
    477 ROLLING STONES – VOODOO LOUNGE
    476 FLEETWOOD MAC – BARE TREES
    475 THE DOORS – ABSOLUTELY LIVE
    474 IAN HUNTER – YOU’RE NEVER ALONE WITH A…
    473 FRANK ZAPPA – OVERNITE SENSATION
    472 J. GEILS BAND – BLOODSHOT
    471 MELISSA ETHERIDGE – DEBUT
    470 THE KINKS – SOMETHING ELSE
    469 CINDERELLA – LONG COLD WINTER
    468 RAMONES – ROAD TO RUIN
    467 ELTON JOHN – DON’T SHOOT ME I’M ONLY…
    466 OASIS – (WHAT’S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY
    465 JETHRO TULL – BENEFIT
    464 MOBY GRAPE – DEBUT
    463 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – GREETINGS FROM ASBURY PARK, NJ
    462 VAN HALEN – BALANCE
    461 AEROSMITH – ROCK IN A HARD PLACE
    460 DAVID BOWIE – SPACE ODDITY
    459 STEVE WINWOOD – BACK IN THE HIGH LIFE
    458 JONATHAN EDWARDS – DEBUT
    457 PAUL SIMON – GRACELAND
    456 THE YARDBIRDS – OVER UNDER SIDEWAYS DOWN
    455 VAN MORRISON – IT’S TOO LATE TO STOP NOW
    454 NILSSON – NILSSON SCHMILSSON
    453 J. GEILS BAND – LOVE STINKS
    452 FREE – FIRE AND WATER
    451 ELVIS COSTELLO – MY AIM IS TRUE
    450 GRATEFUL DEAD – SHAKEDOWN STREET
    449 BOB DYLAN/THE BAND – BEFORE THE FLOOD
    448 BLACK CROWES – SOUTHERN HARMONY AND MUSICAL…
    447 CAROLE KING – TAPESTRY
    446 B-52’S – DEBUT
    445 SIMON AND GARFUNKEL – BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER
    444 R.E.M – AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE
    443 STEVE MILLER BAND – SAILOR
    442 RINGO STARR – RING0
    441 PAUL MCCARTNEY – TUG OF WAR
    440 GRATEFUL DEAD – TERRAPIN STATION
    439 ROLLING STONES – FLOWERS
    438 SPIRIT – THE 12 DREAMS OF DR SARDONICUS
    437 TODD RUNDGREN – SOMETHING/ANYTHING
    436 FACES – A NOD IS AS GOOD AS A WINK
    435 BONNIE RAITT – NICK OF TIME
    434 ROLLING STONES – 12×5
    433 SEX PISTOLS – NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS
    432 JONI MITCHELL – BLUE
    431 ROXY MUSIC – AVALON
    430 TEN YEARS AFTER – A SPACE IN TIME
    429 STEVIE RAY VAUGHN – LIVE ALIVE!
    428 JEFF BECK GROUP – TRUTH
    427 FRANK ZAPPA – SHEIK YERBOUTI
    426 JAMES TAYLOR – SWEET BABY JAMES
    425 JOHNNY WINTER BAND – LIVE!
    424 INXS – KICK
    423 J. GEILS BAND – BLOW YOUR FACE OUT
    422 T. REX – ELECTRIC WARRIOR
    421 THE KINKS – LOLA VS POWERMAN
    420 PEARL JAM – 10
    419 MONTEREY POP FESTIVAL ‘67
    418 STEPHEN STILLS – SOLO DEBUT
    417 CHEAP TRICK – HEAVEN TONIGHT
    416 NEIL YOUNG – LIVE RUST
    415 JACKSON BROWNE – THE PRETENDER
    414 LITTLE FEAT – WAITING FOR COLUMBUS
    413 THE WHO- SELL – OUT
    412 BOB MARLEY AND THE WAILERS – LIVE!
    411 AC/DC – POWERAGE
    410 TALKING HEADS – STOP MAKING SENSE
    409 TRAVELING WILBURYS – VOL 1
    408 LOU REED – ROCK AND ROLL ANIMAL
    407 NIRVANA – NEVERMIND
    406 AEROSMITH – LIVE BOOTLEG
    405 BOB DYLAN – BRINGING IT ALL BACK HOME
    404 DAVID BOWIE – ALADDIN SANE
    403 THE ROLLING STONES – DEBUT
    402 ELVIS COSTELLO – ARMED FORCES
    401 GRATEFUL DEAD – EUROPE ’72
    400 EDDIE MONEY – EDDIE MONEY
    399 THE TUBES – THE COMPLETION BACKWARD PRINCIPLE
    398 HUMBLE PIE – LIVE ROCKIN’ THE FILLMORE
    397 THE CARS – SHAKE IT UP
    396 GUESS WHO – THE BEST OF…
    395 PINK FLOYD – THE DIVISION BELL
    394 FRANK ZAPPA – APOSTROPHE
    393 ZZ TOP – EL LOCO
    392 PRINCE – PURPLE RAIN
    391 DIRE STRAITS – MAKING MOVIES
    390 BOB SEGER – LIKE A ROCK
    389 YES – CLOSE TO THE EDGE
    388 PAT BENATAR – IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT
    387 STEELY DAN – PRETZEL LOGIC
    386 U2 – OCTOBER
    385 E.L.O. – OUT OF THE BLUE
    384 ROLLING STONES – EMOTIONAL RESCUE
    383 JOHN LENNON – WALLS AND BRIDGES
    382 BRYAN ADAMS – CUTS LIKE A KNIFE
    381 BOSTON – THIRD STAGE
    380 MONTROSE – MONTROSE
    379 FLEETWOOD MAC – TUSK
    378 JOE WALSH – THE SMOKER YOU DRINK THE PLAYER YOU GET
    377 TOM PETTY & THE HEARTBREAKERS – SOUTHERN ACCENTS
    376 PAUL MCCARTNEY – VENUS AND MARS
    375 J. GEILS BAND – SANCTUARY
    374 DAVID BOWIE – SCARY MONSTERS
    373 JIMI HENDRIX – BAND OF GYPSYS
    372 ROBERT PLANT – NOW AND THEN
    371 JEFF BECK – BLOW BY BLOW
    370 JOAN JETT – I LOVE ROCK AND ROLL
    369 GRAND FUNK RAILROAD – WE’RE AN AMERICAN BAND
    368 THE BEATLES – SECOND ALBUM
    367 STEELY DAN – THE ROYAL SCAM
    366 THE OUTLAWS – DEBUT
    365 ROLLING STONES – BETWEEN THE BUTTONS
    364 SWEET – DESOLATION BLVD.
    363 TED NUGENT – CAT SCRATCH FEVER
    362 JACKSON BROWNE – HOLD OUT
    361 BACHMAN TURNER OVERDRIVE – DEBUT
    360 CAT STEVENS – TEASER AND THE FIRECAT
    359 MOODY BLUES – ON THE THRESHOLD OF A DREAM
    358 DOOBIE BROTHERS – TAKIN’ IT TO THE STREETS
    357 THE WHO – WHO BY NUMBERS
    356 DAVID BOWIE – LET’S DANCE
    355 URIAH HEEP – DEMONS AND WIZARDS
    354 KISS – LOVE GUN
    353 FOREIGNER – 4
    352 DIO – HOLY DIVER
    351 THE BYRDS – GREATEST HITS
    350 THE DOORS – STRANGE DAYS
    349 DON HENLEY – END OF THE INNOCENCE
    348 FOGHAT – FOOL FOR THE CITY
    347 JETHRO TULL – STAND UP
    346 THE CLASH – COMBAT ROCK
    345 THE KINKS – LOW BUDGET
    344 R.E.M. – DOCUMENT
    343 ELTON JOHN – 11-17-70
    342 GENESIS – WIND AND WUTHERING
    341 OZZY OSBOURNE – NO MORE TEARS
    340 STYX – CRYSTAL BALL
    339 JUDAS PRIEST – BRITISH STEEL
    338 ROLLING STONES – THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES…
    337 STEELY DAN – COUNTDOWN TO ECSTACY
    336 DIRE STRAITS – DEBUT
    335 KANSAS – POINT OF KNOW RETURN
    334 TOM PETTY & THE HEARTBREAKERS – HARD PROMISES
    333 JOHN MELLENCAMP – LONSOME JUBILEE
    332 KINKS – ONE FROM THE ROAD
    331 PETE TOWNSHEND – EMPTY GLASS
    330 JAMES GANG – …RIDES AGAIN
    329 EDGAR WINTER GROUP – THEY ONLY COME OUT AT NIGHT
    328 BLACK SABBATH – MASTERS OF REALITY
    327 JOURNEY – FRONTIERS
    326 THE CARS – HEARBEAT CITY
    325 JERRY GARCIA – GARCIA
    324 THIN LIZZY – JAILBREAK
    323 TESLA – MECHANICAL REASONANCE
    322 PINK FLOYD – MEDDLE
    321 HUMBLE PIE – SMOKIN’
    320 STEVIE WONDER – INNERVISIONS
    319 THE BEATLES – YELLOW SUBMARINE
    318 ROLLING STONES – BLACK AND BLUE
    317 AEROSMITH – DRAW THE LINE
    316 DAVID BOWIE – STATION TO STATION
    315 JUDAS PRIEST – SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE
    314 U2 – BOY
    313 PETER GABRIEL – PETER GABRIEL
    312 PAT BENETAR – PRECIOUS TIME
    311 LED ZEPPELIN – PRESENCE
    310 ALICE COOPER – WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE
    309 CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVIAL – GREEN RIVER
    308 GENESIS – TRICK OF THE TAIL
    307 U2 – RATTLE AND HUM
    306 THE POLICE – REGATTA DE BLANC
    305 MOTLEY CRUE – DR. FEELGOOD
    304 SANTANA – SANTANA III
    303 DEF LEPPARD – HIGH N’ DRY
    302 ROLLING STONES – STEEL WHEELS
    301 VAN HALEN – FOR UNLAWFUL CARNAL KNOWLEDGE
    300 DAVID BOWIE – YOUNG AMERICANS
    299 HEART – LITTLE QUEEN
    298 THE PRETENDERS – THE PRETENDERS
    297 TOM PETTY & THE HEARTBREAKERS – YOU’RE GONNA GET IT
    296 LINDA RONSTADT – HEART LIKE A WHEEL
    295 THE WHO – FACE DANCES
    294 JOHN FOGERTY – CENTERFIELD
    293 NEIL YOUNG – FREEDOM
    292 LEON RUSSELL – LEON RUSSELL AND THE SHELTER…
    291 ROLLING STONES – AFTERMATH
    290 VAN HALEN – FAIR WARNING
    289 DOOBIE BROTHERS – MINUTE BY MINUTE
    288 ELTON JOHN – HONKY CHATEAU
    287 ALAN PARSONS PROJECT – I ROBOT
    286 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – THE RIVER
    285 JACKSON BROWNE – SATURATE BEFORE USING
    284 ALLMAN BROTHERS – IDLEWILD SOUTH
    283 JOE WALSH – BUT SERIOUSLY FOLKS
    282 GEORGE THOROGOOD – MOVE IT ON OVER
    281 WARREN ZEVON – EXCITABLE BOY
    280 GEORGE HARRISON – CONCERT FOR BANGLADESH
    279 THE BEATLES – MEET THE BEATLES
    278 ROLLING STONES – OUT OF OUR HEADS
    277 AC/DC – THE RAZOR’S EDGE
    276 ROBERT PLANT – PICTURES AT ELEVEN
    275 TRAFFIC – MR.FANTASY
    274 ALICE COOPER – LOVE IT TO DEATH
    273 QUEEN – JAZZ
    272 THE DOORS – WAITING FOR THE SUN
    271 TOM PETTY & THE HEARTBREAKERS – INTO THE GREAT WIDE OPEN
    270 LYNYRD SKYNYRD – NUTHIN’ FANCY
    269 THE POLICE – OUTLANDOS D’AMOUR
    268 AC/DC – LET THERE BE ROCK
    267 J. GEILS BAND – LIVE! FULL HOUSE
    266 BIG BROTHER AND HOLDING CO. – CHEAP THRILLS
    265 PAUL McCARTNEY – RAM
    264 NEIL YOUNG – RUST NEVER SLEEPS
    263 THE BEATLES – HELP!
    262 STEVIE RAY VAUGHN – THE SKY IS CRYING
    261 EMERSON LAKE & PALMER – TRILOGY
    260 ROLLING STONES – GET YER YA YAS OUT
    259 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – THE WILD, THE INNOCENT, AND E…
    258 FOGHAT – FOGHAT LIVE
    257 BUFFALO SPRINGFIELD – RETROSPECTIVE: BEST OF
    256 ROBERT PLANT – PRINCIPLE OF MOMENTS
    255 ROD STEWART – GASOLINE ALLEY
    254 U2 – UNFORGETTABLE FIRE
    253 STEVE MILLER – THE JOKER
    252 THE CARS – CANDY-O
    251 38 SPECIAL – WILD EYED SOUTHERN BOYS
    250 KANSAS – LEFTOVERTURE
    249 CREAM – FRESH CREAM
    248 LYNYRD SKYNYRD – GIMME BACK MY BULLETS
    247 BLACK CROWES – SHAKE YOUR MONEY MAKER
    246 EAGLES – ON THE BORDER
    245 ELTON JOHN – DEBUT
    244 PAT BENETAR – CRIMES OF PASSION
    243 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – LIVE ’75-‘85
    242 SLY AND THE FAMILY STONE – GREATEST HITS
    241 ERIC CLAPTON – JOURNEYMAN
    240 FOREIGNER – HEAD GAMES
    239 QUEEN – SHEER HEART ATTACK
    238 BEACH BOYS – PET SOUNDS
    237 WOODSTOCK – WOODSTOCK SOUNDTRACK
    236 JANIS JOPLIN – PEARL
    235 VAN MORRISON – TUPELO HONEY
    234 JOHN MELLENCAMP – AMERICAN FOOL
    233 CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVIAL – BAYOU COUNTRY
    232 GENESIS – DUKE
    231 NEIL YOUNG & CRAZY HORSE – EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS…
    230 STEVIE RAY VAUGHN – IN STEP
    229 BILLY JOEL – PIANO MAN
    228 DOOBIE BROTHERS – WHAT ONCE WERE VICES…
    227 JEFFERSON AIRPLACE – SURREALISTIC PILLOW
    226 E.L.O. – FACE THE MUSIC
    225 BILLY SQUIER – DON’T SAY NO
    224 GRAND FUNK RAILROAD – CLOSER TO HOME
    223 ALICE COOPER – KILLER
    222 VAN HALEN – DIVER DOWN
    221 MOODY BLUES – IN SEARCH OF THE LOST CHORD
    220 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – DARKNESS ON THE EDGE OF TOWN
    219 BLUE OYSTER CULT – AGENTS OF FORTUNE
    218 TOM PETTY – WILDFLOWERS
    217 THE POLICE – ZENYATTA MONDATTA
    216 GRATFUL DEAD – IN THE DARK
    215 TRAFFIC – JOHN BARLEYCORN MUST DIE
    214 CREAM – WHEELS OF FIRE
    213 DEEP PURPLE – WHO DO WE THINK WE ARE
    212 BAD COMPANY – RUN WITH THE PACK
    211 OZZY OSBOURNE – DIARY OF A MADMAN
    210 E.L.O. – A NEW WORLD RECORD
    209 WHITESNAKE – WHITESNAKE
    208 STYX – PIECES OF 8
    207 PHIL COLLINS – FACE VALUE
    206 AC/DC – HIGH VOLTAGE
    205 GENESIS – ABACAB
    204 VAN HALEN – OU812
    203 HEART – DOG AND BUTTERFLY
    202 JETHRO TULL – THICK AS A BRICK
    201 ERIC CLAPTON – ERIC CLAPTON
    200 THE POLICE – SYNCHRONICITY
    199 TOM PETTY & THE HEARTBREAKERS – DEBUT
    198 STEVIE RAY VAUGHN – TEXAS FLOOD
    197 BILLY JOEL – THE STRANGER
    196 STYX – PARADISE THEATRE
    195 FOREIGNER – DOUBLE VISION
    194 BEATLES – BEATLES ‘65
    193 THE ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND – DEBUT
    192 RUSH – A FAREWELL TO KINGS
    191 ROLLING STONES – GOATS HEAD SOUP
    190 AEROSMITH – GET A GRIP
    189 QUEEN – A DAY AT THE RACES
    188 THE DOORS – MORRISON HOTEL
    187 JOURNEY – INFINITY
    186 THE EAGLES – DESPERADO
    185 ASIA – ASIA
    184 U2 – ACHTUNG BABY
    183 LYNYRD SKYNYRD – ONE MORE FROM THE ROAD
    182 THE BAND – MUSIC FROM BIG PINK
    181 KING CRIMSON – IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING
    180 BOB SEGER – AGAINST THE WIND
    179 JOHN MELLENCAMP – UH-HUH
    178 JIMI HENDRIX – AXIS: BOLD AS LOVE
    177 GEORGE THOROGOOD – BAD TO THE BONE
    176 JOHN LENNON – PLASTIC ONO BAND
    175 SANTANA – DEBUT
    174 PAUL MCCARTNEY – MCCARTNEY
    173 SUPERTRAMP – CRIME OF THE CENTURY
    172 GENESIS – GENESIS
    171 CROSBY STILLS NASH & YOUNG – FOUR WAY STREET
    170 VAN MORRISON – MOONDANCE
    169 AC/DC – FOR THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK
    168 ELTON JOHN – TUMBLEWEED CONNECTION
    167 EAGLES – ONE OF THESE NIGHTS
    166 HEART – DREAMBOAT ANNIE
    165 REO SPEEDWAGON – HI INFIDELITY
    164 POLICE – GHOST IN THE MACHINE
    163 SUPERTRAMP – EVEN IN THE QUIETEST MOMENTS
    162 ROBIN TROWER – BRIDGE OF SIGHS
    161 THE KNACK – GET THE KNACK
    160 YES – 90125
    159 KISS – DESTROYER
    158 STEVIE NICKS – BELLADONNA
    157 GRATEFUL DEAD – WORKINGMAN’S DEAD
    156 STEVE MILLER BAND – BOOK OF DREAMS
    155 BLIND FAITH – BLIND FAITH
    154 J. GEILS BAND – FREEZE FRAME
    153 LED ZEPPELIN – THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME
    152 EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER – BRAIN SALAD SURGERY
    151 VAN HALEN – VAN HALEN II
    150 CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL – WILLY AND THE POOR BOYS
    149 PETER GABRIEL – SO
    148 GRATEFUL DEAD – AMERICAN BEAUTY
    147 MOTLEY CRUE – GIRLS, GIRLS, GIRLS
    146 JOE COCKER – MAD DOGS & ENGLISHMEN
    145 JOHN LENNON – DOUBLE FANTASY
    144 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – THE RISING
    143 NEIL YOUNG – AFTER THE GOLD RUSH
    142 YES – FRAGILE
    141 BOSTON – DON’T LOOK BACK
    140 PAUL McCARTNEY & WINGS – WINGS OVER AMERICA
    139 JOURNEY – ESCAPE
    138 THE BEATLES – YESTERDAY & TODAY
    137 VAN HALEN – 5150
    136 PINK FLOYD – ANIMALS
    135 DON HENLEY – BUILDING THE PERFECT BEAST
    134 ERIC CLAPTON – UNPLUGGED
    133 JACKSON BROWNE – RUNNING ON EMPTY
    132 METALLICA – METALLICA
    131 ROLLING STONES – IT’S ONLY ROCK & ROLL
    130 SANTANA – ABRAXAS
    129 VAN HALEN – WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST
    128 THE BEATLES – HEY JUDE
    127 LED ZEPPELIN – IN THROUGH THE OUT DOOR
    126 BAD COMPANY – STRAIGHT SHOOTER
    125 BEATLES – A HARD DAYS NIGHT
    124 BOB DYLAN – BLONDE ON BLONDE
    123 STEELY DAN – AJA
    122 QUEEN – NEWS OF THE WORLD
    121 TRAFFIC – THE LOW SPARK OF HIGH HEELED BOYS
    120 OZZY OSBOURNE – BLIZZARD OF OZ
    119 CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL – COSMO’S FACTORY
    118 BOB DYLAN – BLOOD ON THE TRACKS
    117 ZZ TOP – DEGUELLO
    116 MOODY BLUES – DAYS OF FUTURE PASSED
    115 AEROSMITH – PERMANENT VACATION
    114 ELTON JOHN – MADMAN ACROSS THE WATER
    113 DOOBIE BROTHERS – TOULOUSE STREET
    112 ROLLING STONES – TATTOO YOU
    111 DAVID BOWIE – HUNKY DORY
    110 KISS – ALIVE
    109 JOHN MELLENCAMP – SCARECROW
    108 THE CLASH – LONDON CALLING
    107 AEROSMITH – PUMP
    106 BRYAN ADAMS – RECKLESS
    105 ALICE COOPER – BILLION DOLLAR BABIES
    104 THE BAND – THE LAST WALTZ
    103 CHEAP TRICK – LIVE AT BUDOKAN
    102 THE WHO – LIVE AT LEEDS
    101 ROD STEWART – EVERY PICTURE TELLS A STORY
    100 ROLLING STONES – BEGGARS BANQUET
    99 DIRE STRAITS – BROTHERS IN ARMS
    98 U2 – WAR
    97 LYNYRD SYNYRD – STREET SURVIVORS
    96 LED ZEPPELIN – LED ZEPPELIN III
    95 DOOBIE BROTHERS – THE CAPTAIN AND ME
    94 ERIC CLAPTON – 461 OCEAN BLVD.
    93 CHICAGO – CHICAGO TRANSIT AUTHORITY
    92 STEELY DAN – CAN’T BUY A THRILL
    91 PINK FLOYD – A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON
    90 THE EAGLES – DEBUT
    89 FOREIGNER – DEBUT
    88 RUSH – PERMANENT WAVES
    87 TOM PETTY – DAMN THE TORPEDOES
    86 BEATLES – MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR
    85 AEROSMITH – AEROSMITH
    84 GENESIS – THE LAMB LIES DOWN…
    83 THE CARS – THE CARS
    82 PAUL McCARTNEY – BAND ON THE RUN
    81 NEIL YOUNG – HARVEST
    80 RUSH – 2112
    79 AEROSMITH – GET YOUR WINGS
    78 FLEETWOOD MAC – FLEETWOOD MAC
    77 BOB DYLAN – HIGHWAY 61 REVISITED
    76 CREAM – DISRAELI GEARS
    75 EAGLES – THE LONG RUN
    74 ERIC CLAPTON – SLOWHAND
    73 DEEP PURPLE – MAD IN JAPAN
    72 JOHN LENNON – IMAGINE
    71 ALLMAN BROTHERS – BROTHERS AND SISTERS
    70 ZZ TOP – TRES HOMBRES
    69 ROLLING STONES – SOME GIRLS
    68 LYNYRD SKYNYRD – SECOND HELPING
    67 STYX – THE GRAND ILLUSION
    66 STEVE MILLER – FLY LIKE AN EAGLE
    65 BOB SEGER – STRANGER IN TOWN
    64 DEF LEPPARD – PYROMANIA
    63 YES – THE YES ALBUM
    62 TOM PETTY – FULL MOON FEVER
    61 JETHRO TULL – AQUALUNG
    60 ZZ TOP – ELIMINATOR
    59 CROSBY STILLS & NASH – CROSBY, STILLS & NASH
    58 ELTON JOHN – GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD
    57 AC/DC – DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP
    56 BOB SEGER – NIGHT MOVES
    55 BON JOVI – SLIPPERY WHEN WET
    54 GEORGE HARRISON – ALL THINGS MUST PASS
    53 THE WHO – QUADROPHENIA
    52 JIMI HENDRIX – ELECTRIC LADYLAND
    51 BLACK SABBATH – BLACK SABBATH
    50 DEF LEPPARD – HYSTERIA
    49 THE WHO – TOMMY
    48 DAVID BOWIE – RISE AND FALL OF ZIGGY STARDUST
    47 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – BORN IN THE USA
    46 DEEP PURPLE – MACHINE HEAD
    45 ALLMAN BROTHERS – EAT A PEACH
    44 ROLLING STONES – LET IT BLEED
    43 BLACK SABBATH – PARANOID
    42 LED ZEPPELIN – HOUSES OF THE HOLY
    41 MEAT LOAF – BAT OUT OF HELL
    40 DOORS – L.A. WOMAN
    39 DEREK AND THE DOMINOES – LAYLA AND OTHER…
    38 CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG – DÉJÀ VU
    37 AEROSMITH – ROCKS
    36 BAD COMPANY – BAD CO.
    35 FLEETWOOD MAC – RUMOURS
    34 LED ZEPPELIN – PHYSICAL GRAFFITI
    33 AC/DC – HIGHWAY TO HELL
    32 SUPERTRAMP – BREAKFAST IN AMERICA
    31 QUEEN – NIGHT AT THE OPERA
    30 LYNYRD SKYNRD – PRONOUNCED…
    29 BOB SEGER – LIVE BULLET
    28 ALLMAN BROTHERS – LIVE AT THE FILMORE EAST
    27 ROLLING STONES – STICKY FINGERS
    26 PINK FLOYD – WISH YOU WERE HERE
    25 LED ZEPPELIN – LED ZEPPELIN II
    24 VAN HALEN – 1984
    23 AEROSMITH – TOYS IN THE ATTIC
    22 BEATLES – REVOLVER
    21 EAGLES – HOTEL CALIFORNIA
    20 THE DOORS – DEBUT
    19 PETER FRAMPTON – FRAMPTON COMES ALIVE!
    18 RUSH – MOVING PICTURES
    17 VAN HALEN – DEBUT
    16 THE BEATLES – RUBBER SOUL
    15 PINK FLOYD – THE WALL
    14 THE JIMI HENDRIX EXPERIENCE – ARE YOU EXPERIENCED?
    13 GUNS ‘N ROSES – APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION
    12 U2 – JOSHUA TREE
    11 LED ZEPPELIN – DEBUT
    10 BOSTON – DEBUT
    9 THE BEATLES – THE WHITE ALBUM
    8 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – BORN TO RUN
    7 THE BEATLES – ABBEY ROAD
    6 THE WHO – WHO’S NEXT
    5 LED ZEPPELIN – LED ZEPPELIN IV
    4 THE ROLLING STONES – EXILE ON MAIN STREET
    3 AC/DC – BACK IN BLACK
    2 THE BEATLES – SGT. PEPPER’S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND
    1 PINK FLOYD – DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

    in reply to: Snead on His Willingness to Trade/MMQB #85022
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    26 players of the 53 who finished on that 2011 Rams team never played in the NFL again

    that number also caught my eye from the article, so I went through that dismal 2-14 roster from 2011 and sorted the players that didn’t play for the Rams in 2012.

    QB AJ Feeley, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    QB Tom Brandstater, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    RB Cadillac Williams didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    RB Jerious Norwood didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    KR Quinn Porter didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    WR Dominique Curry didn’t play NFL football after 2011, PS with Lions

    PR Nick Miller didn’t play NFL football after 2011, PS with Eagles

    WR Brandon Lloyd yes, played with NE

    WR Danario Alexander yes, played with SD

    FB Benjamin Guidugli no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011, PS with Giants

    TE Billy Bajema yes, Super Bowl ring with Ravens

    TE Stephen Spach no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011, cut by Jags

    C/G Jason Brown no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    G/C Tony Wragge no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    G/C Bryan Mattison yes, played with KC

    G Keven Hughes no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    Thomas Welch, I never heard of this guy

    T/G Adam Goldberg, no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011… and no he’s not Chandler Bing’s weird roommate from friends, nor the guy for Private Ryan, nor Dazed and Confused.

    T Mark LeVoir no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    DT Gary Gibson Yes, played with Bucs

    DT Justin Bannan Yes, with Broncos

    DE James Hall no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    DT Fred Robbins no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    DE CJ Ah You no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    LB Bryan Kehl Yes, but KC cut him after 3 games

    LB Brady Poppinga Yes, with Dallas

    LB David Nixon no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011, PS with Panters

    LB Chris Chamberlain no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011 IR with Saints

    CB Justin King yes, with Steelers

    CB Rod Hood no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    CB Nate Ness yes, with Panthers

    CB Chris Smith no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    S James Butler no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    CB Josh Gordy yes, Colts

    K Josh Brown yes, pro bowler in 2015

    P Donnie Jones yes, SB ring Philly 2017

    CB Brian Jackson IR i’m not sure

    CB Jerome Murphy IR yes, played

    CB Ron Bartel yes, Da Raiduhs

    CB Marquis Johnson (iR) no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    CB Al Harris (IR) no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    CB Bradley Fletcher, yes, played for NE in 2015

    RB Britt Miller no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011 (cut in 2012)

    LB Josh Hall (IR) yes, played in 2012, but cut in 2013

    G Jacob Bell (IR) no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011 (PS Bengals

    T Jason Smith yes, but cut by Jets in 2013

    TE M. Hoomanawanui yes, played in 2012

    WR Greg Salas yes, played in 2012

    WR Mark Clayton no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011

    in reply to: Parcells ruthlessly tore into Belichick during a game #84913
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    check out ESPN’s 30 for 30: The Two Bills.

    A look at the relationship between NFL coaches Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick.

    It was great……

    in reply to: Ted Nugent #84793
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    One of the first songs my basement high school band learned back in the early ’80’s was “Cat Scratch Fever.” Good times.

    Too bad Ted turned out to be such a douche bag in real life…

    BTW, in regards to Ted’s complaining about not getting into the RR HOF…..
    His beliefs are not what’s keeping him excluded….. ………it’s takes much more than the following tunes to get in….: Cat Scratch Fever, Stranglehold, and Wang Dang Sweet Poontang….other than Stranglehold, those songs just don’t cut the mustard as cutting edge contributions to Rock n Roll…..

    http://ultimateclassicrock.com/ted-nugent-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/

    Ted Nugent Claims ‘Political Correctness’ Is Keeping Him Out of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

    Unlike a number of classic rock artists, Ted Nugent says he’d happily accept induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame — but he says he knows it’ll never happen, thanks to the “self-inflicted and embarrassing scourge” of “political correctness” that permeates the institution from the top down.

    Discussing the issue with Q103FM in Albany (during an interview that you can listen to above), Nugent pinpointed his affiliation with the NRA as the main factor keeping him out — specifically because Rolling Stone co-founder and publisher Jann Wenner, described by the guitarist as the “boss hog” at the Rock Hall, “hates” the gun-rights advocacy group.

    “I couldn’t be more proud of that, ’cause the NRA is the ultimate family, grassroots organization that fights for the right to defend ourselves. What kind of numb nut would be against that?” queried Nugent. “And so I’m on the board of directors of the NRA, Jan Wenner hates the Second Amendment, so that’s the only reason I’m not in the Rock and Roll of Fame. And until they get their heads out of their ass, I’m more than happy to do what I do and do it with all the vim and vigor that I do it every night.”

    That being said, Nugent responded with an enthusiastic “hell yes” when asked whether he’d accept induction, and added that he’s watched “a lot” of the induction ceremonies and found them “so moving.” Were he to eventually make the cut, Nugent said he’d lead the crowd in a prayer for their rock ‘n’ roll forebears — a moment he sees as reflecting the Hall’s true purpose of paying tribute to the genre’s true greats.

    “The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is paying tribute and homage to geniuses who gave us the ultimate soundtrack for our American Dream,” said Nugent. “I’m all in, man, I’m genuinely moved, and I’m glad there is a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.”

    Until then, however, he added that he’s happy to remain a member of the “We the People Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,” a club he’s entered by virtue of more than five decades and six thousand shows piled up over a long career. “Hey, write this down,” he quipped. “My name is Ted Nugent. I am the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Eat me!”

    Nugent is currently on the road for his Rockin’ America Again tour. You can get complete tour dates and ticket information at his official site.

    in reply to: OBJ trade talk? #84632
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    i think that most young coaches, including McVay, believe that their culture, system, environment et al will bring out the best in people and limit the bad behavior…….

    It worked for Sammy Watkins, who wasn’t known for any “good citizenship” awards in Buffalo. The key is winning…. winning cures these potential tantrums………..

    Ask yourself….. would you rather have a well behaved Tavon Austin or OBJ to make a critical catch?… I don’t believe Tavon has ever made a game changing play, with maybe the exception of being a decoy on a punt return TD by Stedman Bailey…….

    But at the same time, Rams shouldn’t give up too much for OBJ; since Woods, Kupp, and Pharoh are a very decent core of WR’s, but Tavon is not……

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    Fuck Suh

    32 years old only >10 sacks once and total tackle count by season on the decline

    Overrated penalty flag machine

    in reply to: Chris Carter on Case Keenum #84330
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    A lot a people turned off and / or were turned off because CK7 took a knee

    But what’s fucked up is that no one was or said that they were turned off becuase the NFL blacked balled a more than capable player . Not only a capable player but a quarterback

    A QB that won huge road playoff games including Carolina and freezing GB

    A QB that fell just short of a tremendous cut mebacknin the Super Bowl

    I couldn’t stand Kap as a player because I’m a Rams fan rooting against SF

    but he got royally screwed he should be playing he can play AB in the NFL

    BTW Mangini made a brief cameo in the Sopranos once….

    in reply to: Maher on Dems #84237
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    Here is your chance to let them know that you want more Ozzy Osbourne and less Ozzie Canseco in the party

    https://my.democrats.org

    It’s time bite off a live bat’s head off

    in reply to: Saints owner Tom Benson died #84182
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    Btw sorry for my poor spelling / grammar post… but this site is not iPhone friendly…

    in reply to: Saints owner Tom Benson died #84181
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    I’m currently on vacation in New Orleans and this place is saddened by the news….One local told me that there’s 4 seasons in Louisiana.. football, crayfish , hurricane and hunting seasons.

    Benson family/ Saints may have a bit of a Carrol Rosenblom / Frontiere mess

    His adoptive kids and grandkids seem to be out, but they seem to be the assholes…

    http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/courts/article_cdd2e754-2997-11e8-97f6-ab67a9092c3e.html

    Tom Benson’s last will makes clear who was in, out of his inner circle late in his life

    In July 2015, a little more than a month after a New Orleans judge found he was mentally fit enough to handle his own affairs, Saints and Pelicans owner Tom Benson pressed a pen against each page of a last will and testament that repeatedly said neither his daughter nor his grandchildren would get another penny from him.

    Then, with Archbishop Gregory Aymond and an attorney as witnesses, he signed the document that spelled out how he wanted his affairs handled after his death.

    Benson said he was leaving all of his property to a trust, the members of which weren’t named in the document that was filed in court Friday evening, one day after Benson died at 90. His funeral is set for March 23.

    The will sheds light on the pecking order of Benson’s inner circle toward the end of his life. It makes clear he wanted his wife, Gayle Benson, to have sole voting power over New Orleans’ NFL and NBA franchises — unsurprising, given the legal battle that had dominated much of Benson’s life for the preceding months.

    Benson signed his last will on July 27, 2015, or 37 days after Civil District Court Judge Kern Reese ruled against daughter Renee Benson and her children, Rita and Ryan LeBlanc. Two higher courts left Reese’s ruling in place.
    The trio had accused the twice-widowed family patriarch of being too enfeebled to oust them as heirs so he could leave control of his business empire to his third wife.

    According to the will, if the trust formed the same day the document was signed ceases to exist, all of his property would go into another trust run by Gayle and his trusted lieutenant, Saints and Pelicans President Dennis Lauscha, with Gayle having exclusive voting power in matters concerning the sports franchises.

    The will also singles out Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis and longtime Benson spokesman Greg Bensel for potential roles. Both men would serve as co-executors of Benson’s estate if both Lauscha and Gayle Benson become “unwilling or unable” to serve in their capacities for any reason, with Loomis having the final say on any matters on which the two men disagree.

    The document vividly illustrates how far outside Benson’s inner circle his former heirs were exiled.
    In one spot, the will notes, “I specifically provide that Renee Benson, Rita LeBlanc, Ryan LeBlanc, and all of their descendants shall have no interest in my succession whatsoever, and no legacy or other inheritance or benefit of any kind shall be paid to any of them under this will or otherwise.”
    The document asserts in another spot, “In no event shall Renee Benson, Rita Benson LeBlanc or Ryan LeBlanc serve as an executor or executrix of my succession.”

    However, at the time Benson announced in early 2015 that he was banishing the three from his life and his businesses, he promised that they “will be very well taken care of after I die.”

    Aymond, New Orleans’ archbishop since 2009, witnessed Benson’s endorsement of the will after years of friendship with the billionaire and his wife, both devout Catholics. The other witness, Michael Guarisco, is a law partner of the veteran attorney who prepared the document, Paul Cordes.
    Louisiana law empowers relatives to contest wills on various grounds, including that the deceased was mentally incapacitated or subject to undue influence in making it. The attorney for Benson’s jilted relatives, Randy Smith, has not indicated whether his clients intend to pursue that option.

    Benson’s estrangement from Renee and her children stemmed at least in part from a heated confrontation between Rita LeBlanc and Gayle Benson in a luxury suite at a December 2014 Saints game.
    Benson soon announced that he was cutting off his daughter and grandchildren while also firing them from their positions as executives at his companies.

    One of their responses was the lawsuit decided by Reese.
    Another was a case that resulted in a settlement calling for Benson to hand over control of car dealerships and a family ranch in the San Antonio area to his daughter and grandchildren.

    Yet another aspect of the dispute centered around valuable but non-voting shares in the Saints and Pelicans. They were among the business assets Benson sought to remove from trusts he set up to benefit Renee, Rita and Ryan. The case was settled under confidential terms, though Benson couldn’t remove the shares in question from the funds unless he replaced them with something of equivalent value.
    Benson never allowed anyone else to hold any controlling shares in his sports franchises while he was alive.
    Staff writer Matt Sledge contributed to this report. 

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