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joemadParticipantHe has impressed the hell out of me
for a guy thats only started a few games.Still too soon to tell for sure
what his limitations are.He might be ‘Dalton’
he might be ‘Fitzpatrick’
he might be Montana,
he might be a lot of things.w
vi’m thinking the likes of Scott Mitchell…..
i’m still not a believer in A.D. thus I vote, “I still have doubts”
joemadParticipant“I remember the day coach Rich Brooks stood up in front of the team (in Anaheim) and said, “It’s solidified. We’re moving. We’re going to St. Louis.”
I thought Chuck Knox was coach when the move from LA to STL was “solidified”, not Richie Rich.
BTW, My brother and I would try to attend 1 or 2 games per season in Anaheim, we’d fly down from San Jose or sometimes, my old college roomates or friends would drive down for a game……….The last RAMS game I attended in Anaheim was 1994 opening day… Cardinals vs RAMS game ……RAMS won ugly that day……. we stayed and the Emerald Hotel in Anaheim and the night before the game we rode an elevator with Jerome Bettis, my brother asked him about the potential move… Jerome wanted to stay in LA, he also had high regard for coach Knox……
NFL Owners OK Rams’ Move to St. Louis
April 13, 1995|T.J. SIMERS | TIMES STAFF WRITER
IRVING, Tex. — The Los Angeles Rams are history, officially gone from Anaheim to St. Louis after winning the National Football League’s blessing Wednesday with a $46-million payment.In addition to a $29-million relocation fee, the Rams agreed to pay $17 million from the proceeds of personal seat licenses, which are one-time fees for rights to buy season tickets.
Twenty-three of the 30 league owners must approve a franchise move, and they voted 22 to 6 in favor Wednesday, with the Los Angeles Raiders abstaining. Rams owner Georgia Frontiere, who had been asked to remain outside during the special meeting, was then called on to cast the deciding vote.
“I thought about it for a few minutes,” she joked.
“My grandmother had a saying: ‘Go little where wanted, go not at all where little wanted.’ And that’s about the way it’s been (in Anaheim). I think they will be better off too,” Frontiere said.
After the vote on the Rams, the Raiders’ stadium concerns were discussed for an hour. Discussions included financial assistance for the construction of a new playing facility, and a guarantee that it would be the site of at least two Super Bowls. The league is expected to agree to partly fund the proposed stadium at Hollywood Park, but a vote will not be taken until the league’s May meetings in Jacksonville, Fla.
“We spent a lot of time talking about the Raiders,” Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said. “I can’t imagine L.A. without a football team, but who would have thought two years ago the Rams would be out of L.A.?”
League owners also approved the bid of Stan Kroenke, a Columbia, Mo., businessman, to purchase 30% of the Rams from Frontiere.
The Rams will play four games in Busch Stadium in St. Louis and finish the 1995 regular season in a $260-million domed stadium under construction.
Before they make their first appearance in St. Louis, the Rams will play the Raiders in an exhibition game, presumably in Southern California, and possibly at Anaheim Stadium.
The Rams’ move, the brainchild of Rams President John Shaw, ends a 50-year relationship with Southern California, and again gives St. Louis, which lost the Cardinals to Phoenix in 1988, pro football.
“I’m just relieved that it’s finished,” Shaw said. “I’m happy for the fans of St. Louis and I hope that fans in Los Angeles will get another NFC team.”
League Commissioner Paul Tagliabue said placing another National Football Conference team in the Los Angeles market is a high priority.
“We hope to be able to put together a plan to have a second team in L.A.,” he said. “It could be expansion or it could be the relocation of an existing franchise.”
Tagliabue backed away from a plan calling for the Rams to establish a stadium trust fund for the renovation or construction of a stadium in Southern California.
“The (Finance) Committee felt that was a judgment that would be premature to make,” he said. “Many clubs felt the best use (of the $29-million relocation fee from the Rams) was for NFL charities.”
Shaw said he believes the league will make an attempt to place another NFC team in the Los Angeles area at the conclusion of the league’s television contract after the 1997 season.
“I think it’s in the best interests of the league to have teams playing in Los Angeles, but playing in modern facilities,” Shaw said.
The Rams exercised an escape clause in their Anaheim Stadium lease to begin the pursuit of a state-of-the-art football facility that would provide additional opportunities for revenue, such as premium seating and luxury boxes.
Shaw struck a lucrative deal with St. Louis that hinged on the sale of more than $70 million in personal seat licenses. He contended that the proceeds from those seats belonged to the Rams. The league said member clubs were entitled to 33% of that money.
The NFL Finance Committee met late into the night Tuesday and then came to Shaw demanding the $46 million. The NFL wanted the Rams to pay the league $20 million now and the remainder over 15 years.
“I advised Georgia and Stan not to accept the NFL’s offer,” Shaw said. “I thought it had become too pricey, but it’s their team and it was their decision to make.”
Frontiere and Kroenke, aware that the NFL’s offer has built-in provisos that could drive up the Rams’ obligation to $71.5 million, agreed to settle.
Although it appeared that Frontiere had to buy her way to St. Louis, Tagliabue strongly disagreed.
“It did not come down to a money deal with the Rams,” Tagliabue said. “That is a completely erroneous implication and had very little to do with it. There will be no money paid to the other member clubs of the league. There is a payment called for to the league which may go to NFL charities, or may go to a stadium trust fund. But (money) was the least of our concerns.”
joemadParticipantwouldn’t surprise me if Pettis got picked up by Seattle to replace Harvin.
October 20, 2014 at 2:17 pm in reply to: rams-raiders-would-be-los-angeles-bound—-if-not-for-the-nfl #10033
joemadParticipantCoach Robinson lost some weight… looks good for his age. He was the perfect coach for a team that was on the cheap.
joemadParticipanti was livid on the Cook call and I do believe that it was pivotal. but every call that went against the RAMS you can redflag those against SF too….. I mean J. Jenkins grabbed Crabtree in the 4th and nothing was called.
but until the RAMS get and hit the QB, the RAMS won’t win many games… the Rams lost because Kapernick passed for 343 yards to 8 different receivers who were constantly wide open because there is no pressure on the QB.
joemadParticipantCome out and Playeeay!
joemadParticipantdespite all that crap, the RAMS still had a chance late in the game…. two 4th down stands by the interior lineman in the closing minutes…..
and it could’ve been worse, Vernon Davis had some easy drops that could’ve easily been catches….
I was all up for Austin Davis to replace Hill, but I’ve seen enough, he can’t handle pressure… plays well when nothing is on the line, but when the pressure is on to deliver, he can’t do it.
joemadParticipantI think what they can do is line up someone to play the safety position. SF has had great success against this Gregg Williams scheme, even during the bounty gate era. There was no friggin safety in position to make a play last night…. it was frustrating, like watching a bad HS team.
I just have to disagree with this.
There is no way on earth Jenkins is supposed to play it the way he did. He blundered and hugely. Who is supposed to anticipate that happening? It’s like, you’re not supposed to text while driving during rush hour. If you text while driving during rush hour, I won’t be sympathetic to the idea there should have been a traffic cop there to warn the other drivers.
I know the ESPN talking heads tried to put this one on Wms but I just saw that as them shamelessly exonerating Jenkins for a basics 101 level dumb dumb dumb play.
There’s reason why SF called that play right before half… they knew there would be no coverage over the top… at it burned JJ with no help over the top.
joemadParticipanttbux
Warner made an observation—if anyone knows what a QB is doing and not doing it is him. He didn’t bash Davis, but he said Davis does some things well, but doesn’t handle pressure well. The late pick 6 a perfect example of that. They need to practice more on teams blitzing and reading it and how to beat it. It will continue until we beat it routinely.
Austin Davis need’s Warner’s HS coach with his “Kill Kurt Drill”
“””””””In high school, his coach used to run a drill called “Kill Kurt,” in which he was forced to stay in the pocket, with pass rushers coming at him, until the coach blew the whistle. The idea was to keep him from getting happy feet. Now, says Martz, “He’ll stand in there (and) he’s oblivious to what’s going on around him. That truly makes him unusual. He blocks it all out. And the best illustration is (the winning TD pass in) the Super Bowl. He releases the ball, he knows he’s going to get waylaid on that thing. There’s no question. Does he feel it? Sure, he feels it. Some guys will duck and chuck. But he doesn’t do any of that stuff. He just throws it.” “”””””””
joemadParticipantI wonder if there’s anything different
the coaches can do — or if they
just need to ‘believe’ and stay
the course.They are going to feel more heat
now than at any time since
Fisher got here.It will be interesting to see
what Fisher does.This sure doesnt seem like
what we tend to think of
when we think of a
Jeff Fisher team.w
vI think what they can do is line up someone to play the safety position. SF has had great success against this Gregg Williams scheme, even during the bounty gate era. There was no friggin safety in position to make a play last night…. it was frustrating, like watching a bad HS team.
Also, the RAMS never got a clean hit on the QB, had they played that game on grass, the SF QB would not need to take his uni to the cleaners today, he was untouched, and when he was there was a horse collar penalty….
I agree with RFL, this coaching staff needs some accountability, but what are you gonna do, fire Gregg Williams in October?
Seattle, at KC, a rested SF team in Santa Clara, in AZ, Denver, at SD, which of these games do they have a chance?
Also, I’ve seen enough of Austin Davis, his transmission doesn’t have a clutch, or it needs to be replaced. If Fisher hates or Shawn Hill can’t go, let’s see Case Keenum.
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joemadParticipantSF 23
LA 20I want the RAMS to win badly though.
October 13, 2014 at 2:15 pm in reply to: Rams Throwback Helmet Design for Monday Night Football #9543
joemadParticipantthe ultimate NFL helmet……… I notice the inter-office envelopes laying on the side of the photo….I guess they still have a mail guy at RAMS park and use these to convey information….
I wonder what’s in those envelopes?
October 13, 2014 at 12:53 pm in reply to: so who if anyone are you watching? Or…for later…who did you watch? #9540
joemadParticipantHey JoeMad you didn’t answer my question on facebook about those two clowns who beat up that fan at Levi Stadium last week.
You think the Yorks get sued?Grits
that story was and is big new here in the SF Bay Area, the victim has permanent brain damage…… Yes, I think a lawsuit will result. …. rowdy behavior and violence happens everywhere, but now everyone has a smartphone with a decent camera to catch this stuff. My son and I saw much worse things at the RAMS/ Raider game in Oakland a few years back…and that was with tons of Oakland PD in the stands……..
BTW, remind me not to tap on anyone shoulders when I use the bathroom at the field of jeans on Nov 2nd.
October 12, 2014 at 2:24 pm in reply to: so who if anyone are you watching? Or…for later…who did you watch? #9501
joemadParticipantI’m watching Det at Minn because I’ve haven’t watched a game in this new stadium and that Vegas has the Vikings favored in this game and that has me perplexed.
joemadParticipantRams beat the 9ers Monday if the Greatest Show on Turf takes the field.
Seriously, If the Rams “bend but don’t break defense” doesn’t break in the redzone, and special teams makes a play with the defense winning TO battle, the Rams will win…..This almost happened last week, but Philly was the team that made the ST play.
joemadParticipant21… Folks said the samething about Warner’s hand.
Don’t chase Bradford away like the Rams did with Bettis and Warner. The Titanic beat Russell Wilson and Kapernick in head to head games and has lots of life left.
There is no doubt in my mind that if Sam leaves he’ll haunt the Rams like Warner did.
joemadParticipantYou nailed it ZN. Davis was tight early in the game and at the end. I think calling screens would’ve helped him against that Philly pass rush.
Not sure if these are growing pains for Davis or if that’s his M.O. I was a bit pissed with the time management at the end of the game and the play clock penalty didn’t make matters easier on the 4th down play and no one had a chance for that final pass play…it was déjà vu from last year’s Seattle game with Clemmens ……but it was a good sign to see Sam on the sidelines with no crutches.
I hope Sam is affordable for the Rams next year. No doubt in my mind that the Rams are a much better team with Bradford
BTW I was really impressed with Philly today….until they had to manage the clock in the 4th qtr… They just couldn’t operate the offense to put the game away.
Rams need to play a complete game, but they 1st need a complete team.
September 30, 2014 at 5:53 pm in reply to: AEG seeks extension, sites progress in negotiations with the NFL #8743
joemadParticipantGrits, were you able to make the trip with the rest of the So Cal Ram fans?
joemadParticipanttrue that Dak. …… it’s time that the NFL Network start showing more classic NFL games or old NFL Films moreso than their morning talk shows… I don’t know how Lavar Arington scored that gig… he’s not very good on TV.
Football Life’s are great shows though…. the new one Sean Taylor was great… I barely remembered that guy.
In regards to Harbaugh, Pete King said it best, no one on the NY Giants liked Parcells either, but they still won.
September 28, 2014 at 3:44 pm in reply to: The official "so what game(s) are you watching" thread #8637
joemadParticipantGot Bucs vs Steelers…..tightest game right now on Sunday Tix
Got the Raider game on the radio in the backyard …….backyard antenna tv is showing Bears vs Pack.
joemadParticipant“””””” I think there are lurkers who would appreciate seeing several perspectives, so I jump in on that. “””””
Yes keep posting. I was a lurker on the herd Pol board when 9-11 happened and appreciated the enlightenment.
In regards to sports /political affiliation….Bill Mahr stated that the NFL with the salary cap, revenue sharing and the draft with the weakest team getting the 1st round pick is a “socialist” sport.
joemadParticipantMIKE: From time immemorial, the worst thing to call in that situation has been a slow-developing run. Hell, the Cowboys barely even had anyone lined up over LG; Davis could have fallen down for a first. But no, let’s pull with slow Joseph and open up a lane for the LB to burst through while we do what looks like a delayed handoff to Stacy. I’m fine with the Rams going for it there, but they needed a much better play call.
FISHER: It was the play we needed. It wasn’t blocked properly. (G) Rodger (Saffold) was supposed to seal the run-through on the middle linebacker and he didn’t. He stayed down on the three-technique. It’s potentially a big play. It was a mistake.
I see this all the time. A playcall complaint that begins by saying what you never, ever do…according to the True Football Guide to What You Never Do. And, invariably, when you find out more, it’s an execution issue fans can’t see because they don’t know assignments. This is one reason I just don’t judge a coordinator by boiling the discussion down to a single play. One of my favorites from years ago was a badly blocked shovel pass in the redzone that got blown up. The OC was Shurmur. The discussion centered on the fact that you never, ever, ever, EVER run a shovel pass in the redzone–it’s unthinkable, it’s not done. And then Thomas wrote the play up and it turns out a blocker blew an assignment. Plus it was easy to find examples on youtube and in google searches of teams successfully running shovel passes in the redzone. In the end the entire genre of “true footall knowledge tells us this play in this situation is never never called” is bogus, and best avoided; and the whole idea that you can judge a coordinator based on your read of one play is also always bogus. If you try the one key play analysis of a coordinator, you usually end up just begging the question about execution issues. Most complaints about Schott I see, for example, just routinely fail to separate execution issues from playcall issues.
I too, like Mike “Freaking” Franke, thought the play was slow to develop, but the RAMS should not have been in that position to begin with… Kick the friggin FG…. folks would knock Knox and Robinson for being conservative, but that’s why they consistently won 10 games per season with guys like Kemp, Dieter, Haden, etc….. and guys like Fisher are .500 guys…..
…put…. the….points ….on …..the ……board.
there was much more momentum to gain for Dallas for stuffing that play than if the RAMS moved the chains there…..
i’m still not over the fake punt at Candlestick last year… who in the fuck does that on the road from deep in their own territory? very little momentum for the RAMS to gain there, while SF erupted and put the game away after that.
game time decisions like kill me and makes me think that Fisher wants to be one of the boys……..fuck that, lead the team, put points on the board and win games.
How old is Marty Shottenhiemer?… perhaps his son is not good at calling those plays because his dad wouldn’t pull that shit either.
joemadParticipantI give him a B….
great division record in 2012…. didn’t happen last year because of injuries.
If you’re grading on a bell curve with former Ram coaches like Lenihan and Spags… he gets an A-
Most disappointing Fisher decisions were the fake punt at Candlestick last year and picking Isiah Pead.
joemadParticipantI wonder which RAMS message board Ty Burrell posts on?
joemadParticipantoverrated piece of crap…. that’s funny…..
Shawn Hill’s 1st career start: 22 for 27, 81.5% completion rate; 1 TD; 106 rating while playing for MIke Nolan with Jim Hostler as OC and his most productive WR was Michael Robinson, I don’t even know who he is….
Austin “Powers” Davis 1st career start: 22 for 29 75.9% completion rate; 0 TD 99 rating
Jim Hostler: As offensive coordinator for the 49ers, he was subject to much scrutiny and criticism regarding his playcalling. Among his most common criticisms was his inability to effectively use star running back Frank Gore, who led the National Football Conference (NFC) in rushing in 2006, but under Hostlers’ play calling, was largely ineffective.[1][2] Gore publicly criticized Hostler, saying the team did not trust his play calling.[3] Midway into the 2007 season, the 49ers’ offense was ranked last in the NFL, and the 49ers’ rushing offense, ranked sixth the previous year, was ranked near the bottom of the league after eight games under Hostler’s direction. Under Hostlers’ direction, the 49ers fell behind every team in the league in the categories of total offense, yards passing, and yards per play
joemadParticipantnot bad considering the game was played on the road, against a defense that is not a bottom feeder (ranked 14th).
another decent defense this Sunday……….Dallas D is ranked 12th……13th against the pass………… tied for 2nd with RAMS in sacks with 7
regarding Sacks…. Jax is 1st with 13 sax this season…..
STL fans better be louder than the Dallas fans that will no doubt be in attendance.
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September 17, 2014 at 10:31 am in reply to: does anyone know of a way to record Sunday Tix without a DirecTV DVR? #7640
joemadParticipantI used to go to Sports Bars in the early the mid 90’s and drop about $40 bucks + tips on bloody marys and wings for the early games, or beers and wings for the late games…. even at $300 per season, Sunday Tix is not a bad value……… it took me about 45 minutes and 2 phone calls to DTV, to negotiate Sunday Tix Max for $150 this year…., that’s the equivalent to 3 and 3/4 games for me at a sports bar. it’s a bit of hassle, but I do my best not to pay market price for Sunday Tix.
BTW, to your point about moving back to LA…… I really miss seeing the RAMS play home games outdoors…. since they moved to the dome, I prefer to watch the RAMS play outdoor road games on grass, like last week in TB, especially when they win on the road, which has been a rare occurrence the last 10 years.
That was a really fun game to watch last Sunday, even on delay on NFL rewind.
joemadParticipantMike “Freaking” Franke…….. nice use of the freaking……………Bobby “freaking” Raininy and DeMarco “Freaking” Murray….
he should’ve used one on Keith “Freaking” Null!
I remember those games against Murray…. RAMS D need to finally stop him…… and some picks off Tony “Freaking” Romo!!!!
Dallas favored by 1.
September 16, 2014 at 4:52 pm in reply to: does anyone know of a way to record Sunday Tix without a DirecTV DVR? #7587
joemadParticipantafter checking different options,
1) magnavox mdr557h/f7 at $300 per device, with no guarantees of the feasibility of recording DirecTV or Sunday Tix.
2) DVR through Direct TV = buying a 2 year contract with DTV, in my case 4 years because I suspend DTV for 6 months during offseason.NFL rewind seems to be the way to go…… only issue is you can’t watch the games when the NFL is showing nationally televised games.
Only $40 for the season for all games….. not too bad! with a 15% discount using REP15 promo code. works well through Apple TV in HD. …
I miss having the ability of owning the tape of DVD though…….
joemadParticipantI was a sophomore in HS… in 79
Kid # 2 is a sophomore in HS this year……….
Can you say 9-7 this year with a Super Bowl appearance???? of course not….
here is the box score to that game… RAMS won in OT against Minnesota ….. url =
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