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InvaderRamModeratorTo bring J. Odgen and Walter Jones into the equation, consider the number of 4 or 5 wideout sets used on passing attempts by the Ravens (Ogden), Seahawks (Jones) and Rams (Pace) over those seven seasons:
Ravens … 355 times.
Seahawks … 660 times.
Rams … 1,236 times.yeah. orlando faced more pressure than his two contemporaries. that can’t be overstated and why i thought he should have gone in first ballot. absolute stud.
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InvaderRamModeratori’m really interested in rueben randle. he was really good in 2014 and he’s a big target. don’t know about his run blocking though.
InvaderRamModeratori never got to see then in the blue and white. i’d like to at least see that – maybe make it the throwback uni.
i just read that they were red and black when they were in cleveland.
InvaderRamModeratornice fade. wish we coulda seen more fron him his rookie season.
I suspect that given the time they have under the new CBA, which limits practices, getting both Foles and Mannion up to speed was a tall order.
yeah. it was always gonna be tough for mannion to get playing time this past season. hope this move doesn’t hinder any development time for the players.
InvaderRamModeratori think a guy like prescott would be more valuable to this team than a guy like goff.
use the first round pick on some other position – whether that be wide receiver or tight end.
InvaderRamModeratornice fade. wish we coulda seen more fron him his rookie season.
InvaderRamModeratorall mid round picks too with joyner being the highest.
i don’t think they should ever spend too much money on defensive backs. maybe just grab one or so in the draft every year and keep developing them.
February 10, 2016 at 6:22 pm in reply to: "Steddy Ambition": Stedman Bailey's Journey Back to the NFL #38825InvaderRamModeratorhe definitely messed up failing the second drug test. but as far as i know he did nothing wrong when he got shot in the head. he was at his local high school talking to students when it happened. now i don’t know if something happened before to precipitate that or if stedman was involved with that i don’t know. i hope not.
February 9, 2016 at 11:10 pm in reply to: 2016 mocks & rankings & general draft commentaries, thread 2 #38793InvaderRamModeratori’d rather they draft a tight end. hunter henry sounds like he’s gonna be a good one.
i think he’d be more valuable than a wr in this offense.
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February 9, 2016 at 6:35 pm in reply to: 2016 mocks & rankings & general draft commentaries, thread 2 #38784InvaderRamModeratornot sure i want the rams drafting a receiver. don’t seem to have much luck with that position. i think they should go after one in free agency and draft other positions.
Drew Bennett. Laurent Robinson. Kenny Britt.
You really want to address WR through FA?
i don’t count drew or laurent because they weren’t signed under the fisher regime.
but yeah. kenny not the best signing. but drafting wrs has arguably been worse.
i also feel more comfortable bringing in a veteran wr rather than trying to develop one when the passing game is already in rough shape.
although fisher in general has a pretty poor track record with wrs drafted or free agents.
InvaderRamModeratordoesn’t seem like his dad or his other brother have much of a reaction either.
February 9, 2016 at 3:27 pm in reply to: 2016 mocks & rankings & general draft commentaries, thread 2 #38777InvaderRamModeratornot sure i want the rams drafting a receiver. don’t seem to have much luck with that position. i think they should go after one in free agency and draft other positions.
February 8, 2016 at 10:39 pm in reply to: "Steddy Ambition": Stedman Bailey's Journey Back to the NFL #38766InvaderRamModeratori hope he’s able to make it back.
InvaderRamModeratori wonder if people will ever remember this peyton manning.
Reasons you don’t have to love Peyton Manning
By David Rutter
News-SunWe beatify quarterbacks for sainthood. They are everything we think superior human beings should be.
They overcome obstacles, improvise, innovate, manage the variables, fight the ravages of advancing age and then win. They suffer pain for the greater good.
But, of course, they aren’t grand at all. If they are grand humans, it’s coincidental to playing football.
While you await Super Bowl 50 this weekend, let’s separate real heroes from manufactured heroes.
If you need a reason to dislike a superstar, pick Peyton Manning who is not really the happy-go-lucky Mister Goofy Guy he plays in his never-ending commercials.
That is his stage persona.
Manning actually did something in his non-showbiz life for which a person should be profoundly ashamed. He has never accepted responsibility except by being forced to pay money by courts for a prank.
It all goes back to 1996 when Manning was a superstar at the University of Tennessee.
To appreciate that moment you must decide for yourself what you think “mooning” is.
In my youth, there was always one doofus passenger in the car of teen boys who would expose his bottom through an open rear window, usually to shock teen girls walking on a nearby sidewalk.
It was a visual crudity.
In 1996, Manning’s painful heel was being examined in the Volunteers’ locker room by a female trainer who was kneeling behind him. In his account, he wished to “moon” a male track athlete in the room and lowered his pants.
Manning later wrote he “didn’t think the (female) trainer would see” but when she did, “it seemed like something she’d have laughed at, considering” the locker room environment. But physics suggest she could not have seen anything else except his nude posterior.
What the track athlete and the female trainer said happened then was something else entirely. Distinctions make a difference.
They testified that he lowered his nude bottom, straddled her head and smothered her face. If you have an image of a grotesque, humiliating assault, that describes what he did. She eventually forced him off and ran from the room. She filed a report with the campus sexual assault program and fled school.
Later she sued the university for 33 counts of sexual discrimination, including the Manning event. She settled for $300,000. Manning faced no public ridicule, because social media was barely born then. Few outside of Tennessee knew what he’d done.
Plus, the university and his family of football stars insistently applied the “boys-will-be-boys” mooning definition.
Was it just a stupid thing any college kid might do? Or part of a pattern? Besides, it was 1996 which makes it ancient history.
Fast forward to 2000. The Manning family men commissioned a ghostwritten autobiography in which Manning recounts the event again and characterizes the trainer as having a “vulgar mouth.” The passage is leaked to her new collegiate employer who demotes and eventually fires her.
Jamie Ann Naughright, now a doctor of sports medicine, sues Manning for defamation. And wins. The financial settlement is secret and stipulates neither party will speak of the event again.
Fast forward again. In an ESPN profile of Manning, he again alludes to the event, thus apparently breaking the terms of the previous suit. She sues again.
At every point, keepers of the Manning Brand — university, family, lawyers, shills and Manning himself — have minimized what he did.
Yes, fans, I don’t like Peyton Manning. Perhaps I merely am more indifferent to him than other players. It’s time and energy wasted.
I don’t like the totally contrived Manning Brand, which is a valuable product. He, like his brand, is a commodity.
As for Manning’s role as football giant, who really cares? It’s a game. If you paid the best hopscotch player in the solar system a few million to leap from block to block, it still would not make the activity important.
The man who trained 20 years to tighten the heart valve suture perfectly on your mother’s bypass is important. The kindergarten teacher who gathers 20 children around her every day, and introduces them to the love of stories and words is important.
The hometown postal worker who digs through a large dirty bin for 20 minutes just to find the lost letter from your child. That’s important.
Maybe I’ll watch the Super Bowl. Maybe I won’t. It’s only a consumer product you are being lobbied to buy.
In truth, I’m just not every interested.
There will be important people doing important jobs Sunday. Peyton Manning isn’t one of them.
Copyright © 2016, Lake County News-Sun
InvaderRamModeratorjust scratching the surface. yeah. and i don’t think he was fully himself physically in 2015. should be at full strength in 2016. and hopefully the oline gets better.
I have hunches about that.
I think both the OL and Gurley get better, so I agree with you.
Interestingly, the Rams young OL in 2015 was weaker at run blocking than pass blocking.
The conventional wisdom is that younger linemen are going to be better run blockers than pass blockers.
But the way the Rams have been under Boudreau/Fisher, they have actually kept in injured veteran linemen for (I firmly believe) their run blocking. That means, I think, that the Rams run schemes are classic OL group efforts and don’t reduce to one on one blocking.
So for example, the combo of Long and Chris Wms. actually got a lot out of Stacy in 2013, yet Stacy has not done anything since.
And in 2015 they got a lot out of Mason in spite of having to start an injured Saffold and an injured Wells.
This is just me thinking out loud.
Gurley, of course, adds his own element to the run game. You didn’t need stellar blocking to get things out of him.
But then imagine, as you say, an improved Gurley plus an improved OL.
you might be right about the group ol efforts.
more than anything, there were a lot of moving parts to the ol. that and youth. ideally for me. brown and wichmann win the starting guard jobs. and then of course you got robinson, havenstein, and barnes. and then they can just continue to gel for the offseason and regular season.
and back to gurley. he’s gonna be able to work on his overall strength and conditioning. his balance. i think those things were diminished as he was probably so focused on getting his knee healthy. i also like how he said he needs to improve in the pass protections cuz i want to see him more on third downs and just the passing game in general. that aspect of his game was not utilized enough last year.
InvaderRamModeratorhow would other offensive tackles have held up with the constant pass blocking that offense required?
InvaderRamModeratori’m not a fan of manning, but i’m glad that a tough defense won the superbowl.
somewhere fisher is smiling.
InvaderRamModeratorjust scratching the surface. yeah. and i don’t think he was fully himself physically in 2015. should be at full strength in 2016. and hopefully the oline gets better.
InvaderRamModeratorpace shoulda been first ballot.
InvaderRamModeratori think that’d be a mistake. unless they’re trying to trade him but even then i’m wondering if what they got in return would be worth it. i think a healthy tre is starting quality.
i am excited about todd though. he’s gonna get a full pro offseason in. i just hope he doesn’t get distracted cuz it sounds like the gurley hype train is in full gear now that he’s in los angeles.
InvaderRamModeratorgurley with a full offseason to work on just football…
Todd Gurley takes aim at Offensive Rookie of Year award
By Nick WagonerEARTH CITY, Mo. — Rams running back Todd Gurley didn’t get to enjoy a full rookie season as he recovered from a torn left ACL. But he made the most of his 13 games, leading all rookies in rushing yards and finishing third in the NFL in that category.
Gurley will find out this weekend whether he’s earned a couple awards. Gurley is one of five nominees for the Pepsi Rookie of the Year award, and is also a top contender for the Associated Press Offensive Rookie of the Year award. Gurley said Friday that he covets both — the winners will be announced on Saturday — and particularly likes the idea of beating out Buccaneers quarterback Jameis Winston and Raiders wide receiver Amari Cooper.
“Oh man, it would just be cool to take home this award,” Gurley said. “Definitely knowing how hard I worked to get in this position. Plus, Jameis and Amari already got a national championship, so I need to get this award from them. I hope it can happen.”
Gurley certainly has the credentials to earn both. He already won the Pro Football Writers of America rookie of the year and the team’s version of the honor and is a leading contender to make it a clean sweep.
Gurley finished with 1,106 rushing yards in 2015, joining Eric Dickerson and Jerome Bettis as the only Rams rushers to reach 1,000 rushing yards in their debut seasons. He was also first among all rookies in yards from scrimmage (1,294), second in total touchdowns (10) and first in 100-yard games (five).
Along the way Gurley became the first rookie in NFL history to rush for 125 or more yards in four consecutive games. His 566 yards in his first four starts set an NFL record for the Super Bowl era, and he’s one of three rookies since 1970 to rush for 700 or more yards in his first six starts.
Gurley also earned a spot in the Pro Bowl, a trip he apparently enjoyed.
“Just being around Hall of Fame coaches, good players, my rookie year, my first time ever in Hawaii, it was good times,” Gurley said. “I had never been to Hawaii before. I’m happy about that. I’m going to keep mentioning Hawaii because I’ve never been to Hawaii before so I want people to know that I went.”
Gurley scored a touchdown in his Pro Bowl debut, a positive sign considering he missed the Rams’ season finale with a foot injury. Gurley said his foot is fine and he’s looking forward to a full offseason of workouts, something he didn’t have last year because he was recovering from the knee injury.
“I’m definitely looking forward to that because last year it was just all about my knee,” Gurley said. “I couldn’t do like extra workouts on my own because they had to keep an eye on it. I’m definitely looking forward to being able to do my own workouts and not having to be monitored by everybody.”
Gurley plans to get set up in Los Angeles soon and spend his offseason training at the Exos Performance Center. As for what he hopes to improve on this offseason?
“Everything,” Gurley said. “I want to work on my balance, I feel like I can improve a lot more on my blocking ability, coming out of the backfield, just doing a lot more stuff better without the ball.”
February 5, 2016 at 7:16 pm in reply to: I don't know about you but I don't like it when Gurley leaps over defenders #38633InvaderRamModeratorit’s a good way to blow out your knee. he’s gotta tone that down.
February 4, 2016 at 7:26 pm in reply to: Rams could be building new 'Fearsome Foursome' led by tackle Aaron Donald #38593InvaderRamModeratori also want to add that this group is young.
the core starters donald quinn and brockers.
aaron will be 25 in may.
quinn will be 26 in may.
brockers won’t turn 26 until december.
they gotta start fulfilling their potential now.
February 4, 2016 at 7:15 pm in reply to: Rams could be building new 'Fearsome Foursome' led by tackle Aaron Donald #38592InvaderRamModeratorif the d line could produce something like the fearsome foursome or the warner brothers that’d be something special. they got a long way to go but i’m hopeful. i don’t think they’ve even reached their potential yet, but i think the talent is there.
InvaderRamModeratorwell. ya gotta do the background research. interview him. almost like drafting him again. figure out what he’s looking for salary wise.
they’ll probably talk to the position coach. interestingly. weinke worked a little with rgiii. to what extent i have no idea, but he did work him out at img academy.
More to his liking was the afternoon activity – a full football-specific workout on a back field a five-minute golf-cart ride away, overseen by Chris Weinke, the director of the IMG Madden Football Academy and, like Griffin, a former Heisman Trophy winner (2000, Florida State).
There, Griffin – sporting gold shoes and gaudy teal, pink, white and black socks, and fitted with sensors on each forearm to measure his sweat — navigated an obstacle course of cones and blocking dummies as he unleashed a torrent of screaming, tight spirals that had Weinke’s jaw dropping.
“Off the charts,” Weinke said. “You can just see the athleticism coming out. Now, he’s the first to admit he still has work to do. That’s good. He knows that…. But he’s as good as I’ve been around.”
An approaching lightning storm cut the proceedings short, but Griffin had to catch a flight home to Texas anyway. First, though, at Weinke’s request, Griffin stopped to shake hands and take photos with a half-dozen teenaged football students who had gathered on the sidelines to watch.
February 2, 2016 at 11:07 pm in reply to: have the Rams drafted well? Below average, average, good, very good? #38523InvaderRamModeratori like snead. he’s young too. question is. like winnbrad says. can he find a qb?
but this regime. it seems like their strengths are finding dlinemen, dbacks, running backs, and oline.
InvaderRamModeratorlet me also add. and maybe this doesn’t mean that much, but in 2014, just for comparison’s sake.
kirk cousins’ passer rating was 86.4.
rgiii? 86.9.
kirk cousins. the quarterback coming out of a pro system in college?
126-204 1710 yards 61.8% 8.4 avg 10 tds 9 ints 8 scks
rgiii?
147-214 1694 yards 68.7% 7.9 avg 4 tds 6 ints 33 scks
by all accounts this guy is a competitor. he works hard. maybe he needed to be taken down a notch. maybe he’s been humbled a little bit. too hard headed in the past. but maybe he’s matured a bit this past season.
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InvaderRamModeratori’m waving my rgiii flag here i know. but i think this locker room poison talk. this arrogance. i think it’s all overblown. the media taking some harmless stories and running with it.
he was benched all of last year, and i don’t remember any rumblings coming from his camp. and now this story says he spent time after practice working on his skills. i don’t get the sense of any kind of attitude problem. i just think he needs a new start. with a coaching staff committed to developing him.
i see an alex smith type career trajectory for him. a mobile quarterback coming from a spread offense who struggled early on with injuries and learning a new offense. alex smith struggled for 4 years. way more than rgiii did i might add. didn’t find any kind of proper footing until his 5th year at the age of 25 after he missed his entire fourth season in 2008. didn’t really take off until his age 27 season.
rgiii? missed his entire fourth season due to being benched and is now entering his fifth season at the age of 26. and let me say again. i don’t think rgiii struggled half as much as alex smith did. again. find a coaching staff that’s committed to him, and i think you will see real progress from him.
InvaderRamModeratori’m not concerned with the problems in the locker room or if he’s arrogant.
the only thing i worry about is his ability to play. if he can’t then you move on.
but yeah. i have no reason to believe that rgiii is anything remotely close to a manziel. or a greg hardy so i’d have no problems if the rams took a gamble on him.
February 2, 2016 at 5:59 pm in reply to: Browns indicate they'll cut Johnny Manziel March 9 when league year opens #38508InvaderRamModeratoryeah. lawrence phillips. i hope he gets it together and doesn’t end up like larry or ryan leaf. but i hope it’s far far away from the rams.
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