rfl wrote:

Eternal Ramnation wrote:
The part about TA’s use as a threat to set up Mason’s screen is for me obvious TA is stressing defenses whether or not he touches the ball

ER, I’d be interested in knowing what you see that causes you to say that.

I don’t see it at all. TA has touched the ball many times in 2 years, and I rarely had any sense that the defense was finding it hard to close the door on him.

People say that down field plays are set up by adjustments to TA. Well, how is what defenses are doing any different from what they would do A) trying to shut Tre down and B) not generally respecting our WRs?

Honestly. What do you see? I don’t see it at all.

Well RFL , it is a recent development but the whole sequence against Oakland screen TA left 1st down Screen Ta right 1st down. The next play to me anyways ( I’ve just watched that opening drive many times) Hill fakes another screen to TA left and it draws the whole defense in TA’s direction,not for long but with Mason’s speed a second is enough.Later on the next drive when Bailey starts heating up TA when he’s in is freeing up Bailey by drawing the better coverage towards TA.Then of course on Mason’s 89yrd run TA actually gets 2 blocks when he catches Mason and escorts him to the endzone, nice play without the ball.Also the speed sweep TA’s scored on looked to me like it was commanding respect the rest of the game.So I do think they use him effectively as a threat more so these last 2 games. On the negative side I do think TA is a slow learner, I mean they tried to run that sweep early against the Vikes and it didn’t seem he understood where and when he had to be for the design of the play and he would do the freelance stutter step dance for a 1 yd gain.

Looks like a brilliant move to me,he looked fine in coverage against Oakland but in any case love the way he hits!

I commend the players that did and wish it was the whole team.The KKK connected military armed incompetent cops were offended? Fuck em.

Good juju slingshot engaged .

zn wrote:

Emmanuel Sanders: Was a legal hit

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1…-denver-broncos-says-hit-was-legal-ready-play

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. – Denver Broncos wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders said Friday he’s ready to play Sunday against the Miami Dolphins and that St. Louis Rams safety Rodney McLeod made “a legal hit” on the tackle that resulted in Sanders’ concussion.

Sanders did add, however, he believed McLeod could have made more of an attempt to go for the ball rather than the hit.

“I think it was a legal hit,” Sanders said after Friday’s practice. “Obviously, [McLeod] didn’t hit me in the head or lead with the head. He hit me with the shoulder. But in terms of the intentions of targeting, I feel like the guy could have had an opportunity to go for the ball, but I think his intentions the whole time were to come over and deliver a blow. That’s the only thing that I’m not too happy about.

“I feel like the National Football League, although it is a violent game, you’re also supposed to protect your brother. And most free safeties, they like interceptions. Obviously, his intent was to try and make a statement, and I guess he did.”

Sanders was knocked out of last Sunday’s 22-7 Broncos loss on the fourth play of the second half. Peyton Manning threw a ball deep up the right sideline and McLeod arrived, with shoulder to shoulder contact, asSanders was diving to try to make the catch.

Friday was also the first time Sanders had spoken extensively about the play.

“Yeah, I remember the play,” Sanders said. “I remember everything. I had a go ball, I had the corner one-on-one, and I had beat the corner, and I was actually open, and I was running, and I laid out for the ball, and he came over and he didn’t even look at the ball the entire time, he was just looking at me and ready to hit me.”

Well Sanders was definitely not a defenseless player. I don’t want my FS going for picks ,I want him doing his job as the last line of defense and saving a TD. McCleod took a lot of care in hitting a very quickly moving small target within the rules which is not an easy task in todays NFL.He did protect his brother not hitting with his helmet not hitting Sanders in the head or knees.That said I could understand that hit scaring the crap out of him but this is the NFL and the Rams D is going to hit as hard and often as they can,it’s what great D’s do.

One thing that surprised me was arm strength. Fisher said something about Hill’s arm being fresh from the time off (he did throw a lot in camp and preseason,more than he is used to) Britt remarked how he must have spent the time off in the weight room. When I rewatched the game somewhere between 4 and 4 million times his delivery looked much better,snappier than the long looping release on the last pass in game 1.

Yes I have to admit I underestimated Hill abilities . He had a few misfires but was very cool under fire and there were some throws that Davis doesn’t make. The running game was going well against the #1 rated Rushing Defense in the NFL.

PA Ram wrote:

Eternal Ramnation wrote: Hill looked good but when you hold the Denver Broncos to 7pts everything starts to look better! Tre Mason busting out into triple digit yardage.Safety’s knocking people out of the game week after week.It looked to be a much improved OL Hill had plenty of time and made good decisions and showed toughness when GRob turned Ware loose for a vicious sack fumble he was fortunate the ball bounced right back to him </span></span>

Robinson did have that one screw up but overall he played fantastic and I’ll take him over Jake Long.

I have no complaints with the line today–they gave Hill enough time and were able to run the ball.

This was a true team win.

Yes I agree I was stunned by watching the D take over and dominate the game!The blown coverage on the td would have sent this team into a tail spin in weeks past. Now let’s see if they can win 2 in a row

Hill looked good but when you hold the Denver Broncos to 7pts everything starts to look better! Tre Mason busting out into triple digit yardage.Safety’s knocking people out of the game week after week.It looked to be a much improved OL Hill had plenty of time and made good decisions and showed toughness when GRob turned Ware loose for a vicious sack fumble he was fortunate the ball bounced right back to him

zn wrote:

I keep reading around how some fans think with the knee thing, Bradford can’t take a hit.

Means they don’t understand knee injuries.

Now this does not mean he can come back or can’t. It has nothing to do with that. It just has to do with how you can hurt a knee.

Those who know all this, know that hyper-extended knees do not need to be hit.

They come from planting the leg awkwardly with the weight and pressure working the wrong direction.

If that sounds abstract, believe me, it ain’t. I have hyper-extended my knees several times, just fortunately not severely enough to tear an ACL doing it.

One time, I was 17, driving along on a weathery day, and I saw this car had gone off a country road near my house so I stopped to help others who had also stopped. We were going to push him out of a muddy field back on to the road. I was 17. I turned my leg wrong while pushing and the pain was like nothing I had ever gone through (though I have had it again a couple of times since). My knee swole up, I could barely walk. I’ve had kidney stones and if I had to choose between the 2, I would take the stones again, not the knee. If you have never gone through it, you have no idea.

Nothing hit my knee. It didn’t hit anything.

That’s what happened to Bradford. Awkward angle, hyper-extension, a tear, and those who know about knees know, it has nothing to do with being hit. It’s just a freak thing.

This idea that someone who hyper-extends a knee can’t take a hit is a complete crock and is just based on not understanding anything about this.

You bend it a certain way awkwardly and the body twists wrong in relation to it, and zap–your knee goes. And it hurts like you would not believe. The 2nd time the lineman was hanging on him, the leg just bent wrong.

Most recent knee for me was in the spring. I was sawing wood with a chainsaw. I had heavy protective boots on, gloves, goggles, and just turned wrong at one point. My leg turned, the boot was sunk in the mud and didn’t turn. This time it didn’t hurt till later. Doctor said I had a bruised meniscus. I was on a cane for a couple of weeks and had to pick my angles in a choosy way to sleep. It felt bad moving around but this time it was nothing like the times when I was young and twisted it wrong followed immediately by “you don’t want to go there” level pain.

So I get very impatient with the types who say “well he didn’t get hit hard.” Cause. It. Has. Nothing. To. Do. With. Being. Hit.

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He didn’t get hit at all on the first tear. That said, it doesn’t mean he can take a hit either,he had a concussion shoulder twice finger ankle and now the knee twice. That kind of history doesn’t exactly scream durability. He’s played in 49 games out of what is a possible 80 at the end of this season. Is not being able to run out of bounds on your own really better? If he can’t get on the field what difference does it make

When your OL allows 6 sacks we might as well put Hecker back there. Davis is the perfect fit for this horrible OL as he is durable.He won’t win many but when you allow 6 sacks you don’t win anyways.

I agree but I am just done with Fisher he’s just not a competitive coach and his OC is clueless on how to use TA none of them seem capable of coaching TA (hint)run forward fast.Williams is an average Joe that thinks he is smart

I didn’t see any jump passing/arm strength issues. I did see plenty of long passes with good velocity. Accuracy was great at times but not consistent. Looks like they should just let him run instead of sliding.Kept his eyes down field in the face of the pass rush,something that has changed since the KC game. Maybe he can get it back while he has the chance he is a good student and learns from mistakes

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My take is a little different.(shocking aint it) I saw the 9er game as a rebound from the KC game.Davis took a beating in that game and the 9ers got him to a lot in the first game. He came out and panicked he did, that is clear. But you know what Britt didn’t quit on his route his OL battered and bruised as it was didn’t quit on him either. The D that had disintegrated several times in the second half didn’t falter. They,the whole team had his back, they want him at QB. On Hill he has way way way more experience and I think he reads Defenses better but arm strength is at most a wash ,mobility isn’t even close and durability,Hill’s carted off the field in KC. Hill is old and nowhere near the athlete Davis is.

Pretty harsh on Tru, for one thing without those PI’s both throws were tds.