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Billy_TParticipantDemocrats have ignored every obvious lesson from the past 12 months, and doubled down on a losing strategy. They’ve decided the problem wasn’t the message, but how they got victimized by chauvinism and Comey.
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If it weren’t for 75 year-old Bernie Sanders, would there be any hope at all for
the Democrat Party?Has Elizabeth Warren been doing ‘anything’ lately? I havent heard anything about her.
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vNone. Sanders is their hope. But I still bump into comment sections wherein Clinton diehards blame him for Clinton’s loss, some going as far as saying he did her irreparable harm. They have the victims and perps thing upside down, and with Sanders being the most popular American politician right now, instead of bashing him for trying to help the Dems, they should be thanking their lucky stars above, etc. To me, he showed a great deal of grace and class by moving beyond the DNC/Clinton sabotaging of his candidacy. I’m not sure I’d be able to do that.
Warren? She does seem rather quiet these days. Then again, I decided for the millionth time, yesterday, to wean myself from American politics. I hope I succeed this time and put it all behind me for good.
As John Goodman was wont to say in The Big Lebowski, “Fuck it, let’s go bowling.” I’m gonna take his cue and do other things with my time. Hiking in the mountains, revising my novels, listening to good music, etc.
Maybe an occasional bitch and moan post here. But I gotta move on from the American political scene. It’s just too toxic for my health.
Billy_TParticipantDemocrats have ignored every obvious lesson from the past 12 months, and doubled down on a losing strategy. They’ve decided the problem wasn’t the message, but how they got victimized by chauvinism and Comey.
I think the Dems see the problem as their inability to get “their message” out there, plus Comey, Misogyny, Wikileaks, etc. etc. In reality, their message is crap too. Their history, since the 1960s, is crap. A bit better than the GOP’s, which can’t even claim a decent stretch of time like the New Deal era — well, at least not since Lincoln. But the Dems’ post-Keynesian era record, and their message are crap. Primarily because they’ve embraced the Reagan GOP era, and think that putting a happy face on it will beat the Republicans.
They still think if they refine their communications strategies, this will do the trick, when they need to alter their legislative and judicial record more than anything else, and then learn to make the sale on that.
In general, they’re terrible salespeople, without a good product. The GOP, OTOH, has talented salesmen, with an even crappier product.
The party that can sync both will win a generation of voters, at least.
Billy_TParticipantConspiracies: For me, a good way of cutting through the bullshit is to ask these questions:
1. Could the people involved achieve X through drastically lower level and far more simplified tactics, strategies, etc. etc.?
2. Could they achieve their aims moving the dial to 3 or 4, rather than the 11 of the conspiracy narrative? As in, if banal, every day, low level corruption would suffice, why go to Defcon One? Why go to “hair’s on fire” when subtle winks and nods suffice?
3. Is the risk worth the result? Is the result beneficial enough for the participants to warrant the risk?
4. Could they achieve the same or better results without taking any risks at all?
5. Where does the money lead us? What is the logical progression for that money trail?
6. Does the conspiracy narrative sound as if someone thought up the worst possible thing a person or group could ever do, and then created scaffolding for this?
For example, the 9/11 Truthers posit that Bush and company were willing to risk certain jail or worse, all in order to start a war, when America has traditionally accepted wars at the drop of a hat, without any elaborate schemes. And it never made any sense that the Power Elite would attack itself to provoke that war. As in, destroying centers of financial, political and military power. Um, sorry, but if they were going to scheme to provoke a war, they’d attack targets that wouldn’t harm themselves in the slightest, and they would be far from home.
Pizzagate: Running a child-sex-slave ring out of a pizza shop in DC? That’s #6. And by placing it in DC, you go up against the “don’t shit where you eat” rule.
My guess is most of the truly ugly, miserable, despicable and rotten stuff that happens around the world comes about without any elaborate scheming, and that it’s mostly banal in its mechanisms. Routine. Normalized. Often quite subtle in approach. Horrible in effect. But it’s just not likely to be the stuff of a Robert Ludlum novel — or a Marvel comic.
Billy_TParticipantWV,
This Jacobin article doesn’t answer your question, but it’s a pretty good summary of the madness of our current politics.

Centrists and op-ed columnists, take heart. At a time of seemingly unprecedented gridlock and partisan rancor in Washington, there’s still something that can bring America’s divided political class together: a good old-fashioned war.
Donald Trump’s abrupt decision to reverse course and bomb an airbase to avenge the Syrian people who he is also desperately trying to keep out of the country may have come as a shock to those who believed his inconsistent promises on the campaign trail to keep the United States out of foreign wars. For most others, though, launching a bombing campaign like this one was only a matter of time.
But unlike the Trump administration’s half-baked attempt to yank health insurance from millions of people, its utter failures in instituting a racist immigration program, or its ongoing efforts to round up and break apart millions of families, Trump’s bombing of Syria likely won’t be met with a wall of “resistance,” certainly not within the halls of power. That’s because for nearly all liberal and conservative pundits and politicians, foreign wars — particularly those launched in the name of “humanitarianism” — are an issue where no leader, even one as disliked as Trump, can ever go wrong.
There were the usual suspects. Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, who have never met a war they didn’t want to send others to fight, praised Trump for acting at a “pivotal moment in Syria,” “unlike the previous administration,” despite their often-lauded history of rhetorically standing up to Trump. (“He’s been his usual, incredibly politically brave self,” one Democratic senator said of Graham as they investigated Trump’s Russia ties).
At least those two are consistent warmongers. But much of the Republican support for Trump’s bombing has come from his former political enemies who once spent their hours grandstanding about his lack of fitness for office — and even opposed Obama’s proposed airstrikes on Syria four years ago, though not out of any concern for the suffering such airstrikes would produce.
Marco Rubio, who refused to lend his support to Obama’s plan because it was “basically a symbolic strike to send a message, but not backed up by a clear plan,” yesterday told his Twitter followers that “#Somethingshouldhappen,” that Trump was “deeply moved by the images & stories emerging from #SyriaChemicalAttack,” and ended up quoting the Bible to cheer on Trump “acting decisively.”
Meanwhile, Paul Ryan — who in 2013 declared that Obama “needs to clearly demonstrate that the use of military force would strengthen America’s security” — called Trump’s action “appropriate and just.” Ted Cruz wrote an entire op-ed in the Washington Post that same year explaining why he wasn’t backing Obama’s plans for a “limited airstrike,” citing the fact that Assad’s use of chemical weapons didn’t threaten US national security and that “the potential for escalation is immense.” On Thursday, as tomahawks rained down on Syria, he issued a milquetoast statement that simply stated he looked forward to hearing Trump make the case for how to keep chemical weapons out of terrorists’ hands.
Republican lawmakers’ partisan hypocrisy and lust for war is hardly surprising. But Trump’s strike was also enabled by significant liberal and Democratic support, before, during, and after the strike.
MSNBC spent the days leading up to the airstrike goading Trump into taking some kind of action.
“Men, women, children, and babies got gassed in Syria this week because last week the Trump administration gave the signal that, that was OK with President Trump,” Lawrence O’Donnell said on Wednesday, referring to Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s equivocation over whether Assad should stay or go. “Everything Donald Trump has ever said about President Assad has been a signal for Assad to go on killing as many people as he felt like,” he later added.
O’Donnell then brought on neoconservative Max Boot, one of the few men whose full name doubles as his foreign policy, to further beat the drums. “This is not the first time the kids have been killed,” Boot said. “Donald Trump has always been OK with this in the past, but now they’ve crossed some kind of line. Well, OK, so what are you going to do about it?”
Boot, who has urged the United States “unambiguously to embrace its imperial role” and is completely unrepentant about his longtime support for the Iraq War, has been calling for US involvement in Syria since Bush was in power.
The night before, former Fox anchor Greta van Susteren interviewed Democratic senator Ben Cardin, who had voted in 2013 to authorize Obama to strike Syria. Van Susteren tried to coax support for unilateral action out of Cardin (“Are you saying that we should do something alone in Syria? What are you saying we’re going to do? We’re not going to get help out of the UN”), but when it wasn’t forthcoming, she turned to Illinois Republican Adam Kinzinger, who affirmed that “there needs to be punishing strikes against the Syrian regime as a result of this.” Kinzinger returned the next morning on the network, repeating his call for “punishing airstrikes.”
MSNBC also had on Rhode Island Democrat David Cicilline (who had earlier charged that it was “shameful that the White House is no longer seeking to remove Bashir al-Assad from power”), who pushed for some kind of unnamed action to get Assad out of power. That same day, Democratic operative and Clinton ally Peter Daou tweeted: “I oppose @realDonaldTrump’s policies, but I wilfully support appropriate retaliation against #Assad’s war crimes in #Syria.” Daou believes Trump is a “dangerous bigot” and “a danger to the free world,” but he sees no problem with supporting such a man’s use of US military might.
Things continued to heat up the day of Trump’s decision. Van Susteren interviewed retired general Barry McCaffrey, who suggested the Trump administration “give the US Air Force and Navy fifteen days and tell them to take out the Syrian Air Force.” When she suggested such action could also take out Russian military, possibly escalating the conflict, McCaffrey assured her that “Russia is a second- or third-tier military power.”
Meanwhile, just hours before the man she had dubbed “Dangerous Donald” ordered planes to start bombing Syria, former Democratic standard-bearer Hillary Clinton told a friendly audience that his actions were exactly the approach the United States should take.
“I really believe we should have and still should take out his airfields and prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people and drop sarin gas on them,” she said to a steadily building crescendo of applause. (Yet somehow, liberal journalists used the occasion to declare that Clinton never would have done such a thing.)
Thus far, Trump appears to have been richly rewarded by the press for his “decisive” actions, with even his sworn enemies praising his decision to go into Syria with no apparent plan or goal other than “sending a message.”
New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, who otherwise spends his days brainstorming possible ways to kick Trump out of office, stated last night that “Trump is right to make Syria pay a price for war crimes” and that “taking out airfields is the best approach.” Perhaps not coincidentally, Kristof had been earlier interviewing Clinton when she made the same suggestion.
MSNBC had on a number of guests who gushed about the attack. Marco Rubio expounded on the strategic importance of the airstrikes. Nicholas Kristof reiterated that Trump had done the right thing, citing the fact that Clinton had “prescribed pretty much exactly the same response.” Democratic representative Jim Hines then affirmed that Kristof was correct and that “there is definitely virtue in making sure that Assad understands that if he steps over that line . . . there is a price to be paid.”
Entirely missing from the broadcast was any semblance of a war-skeptical voice, pointing out, as Micah Zenko has, that US limited airstrikes have a poor track record of actually achieving anything, or explaining that most long-term military adventures usually start off as a form of “limited” involvement — from Vietnam, to Libya, to Syria itself.
A number of top Democrats took a break from resisting Trump to also pat him on the back for his decision. Senate Democratic whip Dick Durbin called it a “measured response” (only in Washington could firing fifty-nine missiles into a country be considered “measured”). The previously restrained Ben Cardin called it a “clear signal that the United States will stand up for internationally accepted norms and rules against the use of chemical weapons.” Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi both backed the move, with Schumer calling it “the right thing to do,” and Pelosi terming it a “proportional response.”
Trump must have known his decision would get such a friendly reception. After all, it was only a little over a month ago that he received torrents of praise from pundits, liberal and conservative, for paying tribute to a fallen Navy SEAL whom he had sent to die in a chaotic and poorly planned raid that killed thirty civilians. Now, even his sworn enemies were falling over themselves to praise what could be the start of regime change in Syria.
The pattern seems clear: when people die, Trump gets plaudits.
The spectacle of liberals cheerleading and, subsequently, congratulating Trump for taking a short-sighted military action in Syria shouldn’t be surprising. But it is an essential element in legitimizing and enabling such military misadventures, applying a bipartisan coating to questionable military operations that allows presidents to launch them without fear of deeper scrutiny.
As long as liberals continue doing their work for them, right-wing hawks barely have to lift a finger.
Billy_TParticipantAny word at all yet on whether there is any evidence that Assad was responsible for the gas attack or whether there even was a gas attack?
Is it likely we will ever know who did what?
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vI’m no expert on the situation, of course, but I haven’t seen any evidence in this particular instance. But Assad is known to be a brutal dictator, so it’s not exactly counter to his MO. It could be anyone, though. A civil war like Syria’s produces more than a “fog of war” fubar. More like a hall of mirrors filled with fog, etc. So, who knows?
The various rebel groups hate each other, hate Assad, hate us. Our “allies” hate each other, Assad, in some cases, us. Some of our “enemies” are actually at least nominally on our side in this battle. Iran and Russia, for instance, are fighting against ISIS, according to most reports. Assad is supposedly fighting ISIS, and so on.
There really are no “good guys” in this situation, except, perhaps, for those leftist women in Rojava:
American Leftists Need to Pay More Attention to Rojava By Michelle Goldberg
Billy_TParticipantHedges is nearly always spot on. Interesting, his use of the term “Deep State,” which we’ve talked about before. Contrast that with the new GOP/Trump/Breitbart usage of the term. For the latter, the Deep State consists solely of Democrats. The GOP — especially Trump — is supposedly, according to this once fringe narrative, the victims of that Deep State, and it’s supposedly now controlled by Clinton and Obama.
To me, that’s beyond absurd. If there is such a thing, it’s far more likely to be close to C. Wright Mills’ conception of the Power Elite, and this would include both wings of the duopoly, not just the Dems. If anything, the Deep State tilts rightward and toward the GOP, but includes both parties.
It’s telling, for instance, that when the Dems win the White House, they almost always choose Republicans to head Defense, the CIA, the FBI, etc. They tend to want to show their “bipartisan” bonafides in that way. Obama, for instance, kept Bush’s defense secretary, Gates, in place, put General Petraeus at the head of the CIA and Comey at the FBI. Bush Sr was director of the CIA prior to winning the presidency.
It’s both wings of the duopoly, not just one.
But back to the bombing: Again, the American media should be ashamed of itself — for pumping this up and for pretty much ignoring those 200 plus civilian deaths in Trump’s bombings in Mosul. And a thousand and one things beyond all of that.
Billy_TParticipantWell, this is hopeful. Just checked the Washington Post and at least one writer gets it:
The media loved Trump’s show of military might. Are we really doing this again?

By Margaret Sullivan Media Columnist April 8 at 6:00 AM
The cruise missiles struck, and many in the mainstream media fawned.
“I think Donald Trump became president of the United States last night,” declared Fareed Zakaria on CNN, after firing of 59 missiles at a Syrian military airfield late Thursday night. (His words sounded familiar, since CNN’s Van Jones made a nearly identical pronouncement after Trump’s first address to Congress.)
“On Syria attack, Trump’s heart came first,” read a New York Times headline.
“President Trump has done the right thing and I salute him for it,” wrote the Wall Street Journal’s Bret Stephens — a frequent Trump critic and Pulitzer Prize-winning conservative columnist. He added: “Now destroy the Assad regime for good.”Brian Williams, on MSNBC, seemed mesmerized by the images of the strikes provided by the Pentagon. He used the word “beautiful” three times and alluded to a Leonard Cohen lyric — “I am guided by the beauty of our weapons” — without apparent irony.
Quite the pivot, for some. Assessing Trump’s presidency a few weeks ago, Zakaria wrote that while the Romans recommended keeping people happy with bread and circuses, “so far, all we have gotten is the circus.” And the Times has been been so tough on Trump that the president rarely refers to the paper without “failing” or “fake” as a descriptor.
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President Trump said aboard Air Force One on April 6 that “something should happen” with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in light of the chemical attack in Khan Sheikhoun. Trump did not offer specifics. (The Washington Post)But after the strikes, praise flowed like wedding champagne — especially on cable news.
“Guest after guest is gushing. From MSNBC to CNN, Trump is receiving his best night of press so far,” wrote Sam Sacks, a Washington podcaster and journalist. “And all he had to do was start a war.”
Why do so many in the news media love a show of force?
“There is no faster way to bring public support than to pursue military action,” said Ken Paulson, head of the Newseum Institute’s First Amendment Center.
“It’s a pattern not only in American history, but in world history. We rally around the commander-in-chief — and that’s understandable.”
Paulson noted that the news media also “seem to get bored with their own narrative” about Trump’s failings, and they welcome a chance to switch it up.
But that’s not good enough, he said: “The watchdog has to have clear vision and not just a sporadic bark.”
Clara Jeffery, editor in chief of Mother Jones, offered a simple explanation: “It’s dramatic. It’s good for TV, reporters get caught up in the moment, or, worse, jingoism.”
She added: “Military action is viewed as inherently nonpartisan, opposition or skepticism as partisan. News organizations that are fearful of looking partisan can fall into the trap of failing to provide context.”
And so, empathy as the president’s clear motivation is accepted, she said — “with no mention of the refugee ban keeping those kids out, no mention of Islamophobia that has informed his campaign and administration. How can you write about motive and not explore that hypocrisy?”
Mocking “the instant elevation of Trump into a serious and respected war leader,” Glenn Greenwald in the Intercept recalled John Jay, one of the Federalist Papers authors, who wrote more than 200 years ago: “However disgraceful it may be to human nature . . . nations in general will make war whenever they have a prospect of getting anything by it.”
In fact, Jay wrote, “absolute monarchs will often make war when their nations are to get nothing by it” — except, of course, to scratch that eternal itch for military glory, revenge or self-aggrandizement.
Groupthink, and a lack of proper skepticism, is something that we’ve seen many times before as the American news media watches an administration step to the brink of war.
Most notoriously, perhaps, that was true in the run-up to the Iraq invasion in 2003, the start of a long disaster there.
Stephen Walt, Harvard professor of international affairs, thinks the press and the public should have learned some things by now.
“Syria remains a tragedy because there are no good options,” he wrote in Foreign Policy, and America’s interventions in the Middle East very seldom end well.
Walt later told me that the news media now must look forward and ask deeper questions.
“What is Trump’s overall strategy for Syria,” given that “the balance of power on the ground is unchanged and we are no closer to a political settlement.”
Missile strikes may seem thrilling, and retaliation righteous.
But journalists and commentators ought to remember the duller virtues, too, like skepticism, depth and context.
And keep their eyes fixed firmly there, not on the spectacular images in the sky.
For more by Margaret Sullivan visit wapo.st/sullivan
Billy_TParticipantlink:http://us10.campaign-archive2.com/?u=8c573daa3ad72f4a095505b58&id=5ec771f261&e=6d5bc17d5a
The media’s gushing about this is disgusting, and it will only encourage Trump to do more bombing. They should be deeply ashamed of themselves for egging this on, but they won’t. It’s rah rah rah until the cows come home. Sheesh, Brian Williams was gushing that the sight of those bombs was beautiful.
Truly despicable.
I should have known not to get my hopes up for our media, which finally seemed like they wanted to do their jobs again after Trump was elected. It seemed they were finally not being court stenographers for power, for once. Nothing like a bombing or a war to shatter all of that and push them back into their role as stenographers or worse: outright cheerleaders.
April 8, 2017 at 9:57 am in reply to: Trump Lavished With Media and Bipartisan Praise For Bombing Syria #67118
Billy_TParticipantVery good article, but #6 isn’t logical. And the author’s argument itself should have told him that.
An extremely limited strike on an airport, which didn’t even stop it from being used yesterday after the strike, in no way proves that pre-election collusion didn’t happen. It makes zero sense to read that back into the past, based upon a sudden 180 from Trump, after several months of pro-Russian talk and walk, and Trump still won’t say anything bad about Russia.
Plus, I think the author built up a straw man to shoot down. The argument isn’t that Trump is an outright puppet of Putin’s, or that Putin controls him now. The argument is that Trump and/or his associates colluded with the Russians to win the GOP nomination and then the presidency, and that he owes Putin because of this. A rare break in an ongoing stream of pro-Russian words and deeds does nothing to alter that likelihood. In fact, it’s the smart thing to do. Blow shit up and make it look like Trump is truly “independent,” etc.
In reality, it’s no skin off of Putin’s teeth, one way or another. Where’s the harm to Russia in this strike? There isn’t any.
That said, the rest of the article is excellent. It’s sickening how going to war seems to elevate presidents in the minds of too many Americans and the media. It’s actually one of the ugliest aspects of this nation, and has been for generations.
Billy_TParticipantGood article. The Baffler is one of the best lefty culture/politics mags.
Billy_TParticipantWhat’s your take on the Syrian strike, WV?
Billy_TParticipantI’m not surprised by the rah rah responses this morning in the Media, but I am truly disappointed.
To me, this is less than an empty gesture. At best, symbolic. And almost no one is mentioning the deaths this caused. The presentation of the attack is quite “sanitary” and incredibly detached.
Yes, Assad is a brutal, horrible thug and mass murderer, and he shouldn’t be within light years of power. But does our attack do a thing to change any of that? No. And it will likely draw us into yet another war without end, and the worst kind: civil war.
I’ve also noted the sudden praise for Trump, and how seeing the pictures of those children moved him to act. I hope someone asks him if this moves him to drop his ban on Syrian refugees. If it doesn’t, he’s shedding crocodile tears.
Billy_TParticipantI have to admit I remain skeptical of “studies” and “analysis” unless I’ve researched the norms used in such a studies. Even so I know thee are many many different opinions along with “studies” on the engines that drive a Trump supporter. So I tend to look at what’s in front of me-meaning I form opinions normally based on what I see. Do I read studies-of course I do-part of that has been my profession-but I know for every study on a subject there is an equally valid one out there. Its like competing expert witnesses in a trial. For the most part they all sound credible-unless of course you are an expert in that field yourself.
So in my little world-most of my friends are what one would call “business people”. They are not necessarily wealthy country club people although some are. But they have been friends of mine since middle school and a few even earlier. When we gather the talk is about business and sports. Their political vent is normally about how they can benefit from any Republican including Trump more so than any democrat. For the length of time I’ve known them I cannot recall ever witnessing anything that would even be suspect of racism. At parties they talk of taxes, fair trade issue, the costs to them of healthcare, and of course sports. Now I have a neighbor who I’ve heard him use the N work more than once. I don’t need to know anything more. I consider him a racist and I do not see him as a “friend”. Just a neighbor. OTOH I know-because he has shown me-that he would do everything and anything to help you if you had a problem. But maybe not if I was black. Who knows.
We also live in a very eclectic area that has an enormous population of people from Mexico, including my neighbor across the street. We are close because we share a love for the Dodgers and have been to his home several times for various celebrations. What’s interesting is that at least half of his relatives-not including him-were Trump supporters-simply because he “talked tough”. These were Mexicans who obviously did not vote because of a fear of diversity. I don’t know -maybe the macho culture of Mexico and Latin American has something to do with that because to a person they respected Trump’s “machismo”.
I respect both Sanders (didn’t vote for him) and Warren( I would have voted for her) and I agree with their take on this. I also don’t think either one of them holds anything back as Zooey suggests.
In my opinion there is a multitude of reasons why people voted for the guy. Of course there were people who decided enough is enough when it comes to the darkening of the American face (i.e. a fear of diversity). But again I suspect there were as many who thought their own personal financial security would be better served with Trump. Then there were those who simply wanted someone more “tough” to lead the country. Then there were those who simply wanted anyone but Hillary.
I know there are those who so detest this guy-and I’m one of them-that they will attribute to his supporters the most evil characteristic they can-and that happens to be racism ! And if one group has an agenda they can do a study and come to a conclusion that supports their belief system. Which is why I tend to formulate my opinions on what I experience. Yes-I read studies and carefully look to see if they are truly evidence based but at bottom I go back to what my experience tells me. Sometimes studies support what I see and sometimes they don’t. I will always trust what I see because if I see a “study” that says I’m wrong or right I know right around the corner is another study.
I also recognize that I may very well be wrong on this particular issue and Trump supporters may well have supported him because of racism and diversity. That’s just not been I have experienced. Others have a different experience and even take-and that’s fine with me.
Something to keep in mind here, W. On a subject such as racial attitudes, if anything, people tend to understate their views. So all of those surveys of Trump voters are quite likely understating bigotry, racism, prejudice, etc. etc. It’s not like a study asking if you love puppies and rainbows. Who isn’t going to say yes? But questions regarding a person’s take on race? I find it hard to believe you’re going to get everyone being perfectly honest about that. So the fact that an overwhelming number of Trump supporters admit to attitudes about blacks, other minorities and women in the way they do . . . that they vocalize the (crazed) belief that white people are more mistreated than blacks and other minorities . . . . Um, well, we should take them at their word and then add a few percentage points.
But, as I mention above, it’s a terrible idea to suggest politicians should focus on this. It’s okay for laymen to. It’s okay for amateur observers like us to note these things. But if left of center parties/politicians actually want to win, or at least expand their reach, they really shouldn’t. They should focus instead on the conditions that led/lead to these pathologies, and those in power who create, enable, defend and expand them, etc.
Billy_TParticipantI think DeVega is right about what white liberals get wrong about racism to a fair degree.
But I think Bernie knows that even while he downplays it. Bernie is clearly committed to avoiding name-calling, and “gutter” politics, or the appearance of it. He relentlessly looks to forge alliances, and that’s to his credit, I think. So he knows full well a lot of Trump’s appeal is to racists, but he knows nothing is gained by saying so. That’s my opinion.
I thought the same thing upon reading his article. He’s usually quite good. But I think he misses the point that a politician, if he or she actually wants to win, should never punch down. There is no point in going after voters. Go after the powerful instead. Clinton, IMO, made a huge and costly mistake when she talked about half of Trump voters being in that “basket of deplorables.” True or not, she shouldn’t have said it. All it does it make it far more likely their passion for Trump burns even brighter, etc.
Solves nothing.
Gramsci once talked about the need for leftists to publicly support certain forms of “nationalism” and talking up the “homeland,” even though, philosophically, our focus is international and “cosmopolitan.” If we actually want to win elections, that is. It’s the same thing here.
Don’t punch down. Punch up. And find ways to connect with people on a gut level. Sanders appears to understand this.
Billy_TParticipantJust looking at the US PRIMARIES — most citizens voted for Rubio, Cruz, Hillary, Trump, etc — but what percentage out of all that, voted for Bernie? In the primaries.
Cause whatever number that is,
is the scorecard right now. Thats where were at.w
vI have no idea what that percentage is. But I do have this crazy faith that if Americans were actually exposed to true leftist thought, directly, not second or third hand . . . the numbers of people who voted for Sanders would be joined by millions of people who actually would like something even further to his left. He was, after all, pushing for FDR-like policies, updated for 2017, and not something truly “radical” at all. He wasn’t even going as far as “Social Democracy” a la Scandinavia, which involves a stronger support for the public sector than he espoused. Though, this may be because he didn’t think he could discuss it. Not sure. Perhaps he actually does want to go further, but was being careful about that.
Regardless, I think Americans would be open to getting a much better “deal” on things, and the only way that’s going to happen is if we increase the role of the public sector, add more non-profit public goods and services, rather than continuing the policy of privatization. The more things we privatize and turn over to “market forces”, the more people lose and the worse any “deal” becomes for the vast majority.
I think Sanders just started the conversation. We need to go beyond him. Next step, IMO, would be for America to get a good look at Tony Judt’s Ill Fares the Land. And we build from there.
Billy_TParticipantRussia is a gawd-awful right-wing authoritarian oligarchy. How is your Russian news on criticizing Russia?
That part is key for me. Russia is a hard-right autocracy, and it supports neo-fascists throughout Europe, in hopes of getting them elected. And your question above is the right one to ask. Does RT ever even question Russia’s own oligarchical practices? Does it go after Russia’s own pollution, corruption, violence, imperialism, etc.?
We definitely need strong critiques of our own ills. American imperialism needs to be critiqued and opposed, ferociously. But I’m highly skeptical of media outlets which seem to only concentrate on America, and no one else. And that brings us to Wikileaks: They ONLY go after America, and in recent years, just Democrats. Can anyone make an honest case that America is alone in the world when it comes to imperialist actions, destruction of eco-systems, government and corporate malfeasance, etc. etc.?
And by that, I’m saying it needs to be “both/and” not “either/or” as ZN mentions above. It’s not an excuse like “But mommy, mommy!! Joey did it too, waaaaaaaaaghhhh!” I’m saying attack imperialism, warmongering, empire expansion, inequality, the acceptance of poverty, hunger, homelessness, etc. etc. everywhere it exists. Everywhere. No one gets to skate on that. Not America. Not Russia. Not China or any of dozens and dozens of nation which promote, defend or at least allow evil.
And that’s the real “solidarity” in all of this. That’s the real potential for a righteous leftist revival. No cherry-picking. Just as we should be all about “social inclusion,” we need to be equal-opportunity fighters against injustice, regardless of source.
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I agree RT doesnt go after Russia. It has zero to say about Russia. Fair enough. But also, SO WHAT. Oftentimes their critiques of the US are right-on.
And if US-citizens only watch the MSM they never get any critique of the US that goes outside of the Dem vs Rep crap.And yes, Russia is all the things you and zn say. Its a gangster state. So is the USA. Maybe it takes one gangster state to critique the other.
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vZooming in on that a bit. It drives me crazy when the MSM goes along with the duopoly’s spin on taxes, health care, “terrorism,” war, the environment, and a host of other things.
Even the wonky stuff like budgets ticks me off. The MSM just won’t even allow people to suggest that maybe, just maybe, rich people should pay a lot more in taxes to fund society-wide education, healthcare and end poverty once and for all. They won’t even bring up the fact that Americans make enough in total income to ensure every single household could have roughly 100K in income per year, if we shared the fruits of our labor, evenly. Our mass inequality is literally killing us.
And the follow-up to that: if every household had that kind of buying power, the economy would thrive like never before, for obvious reasons. Virtually every business would rather have tens of millions of people with disposable income than tens of thousands, etc. That’s just math and logic 101.
And now they’re talking tax cuts! No one in the MSM mentions this fact: Whenever there is across the board tax cuts, inequality increases. That’s guaranteed. Cut taxes across the board, and America becomes even more unequal, and there is no way around that. Again, it’s just math, logic, physics. That’s just the way percentages work, etc.
In short, yeah, our MSM sucks. No question. And for a host of reasons beyond the above.
Billy_TParticipantTo me, it’s primarily easy access to guns. No other factor really comes close, IMO. Another huge reason is we’ve glorified war and solving things via violence for decades and decades — movies, TV, computer games, etc. This, of course, just makes easy access to guns that much more lethal.
No other nation on earth has this combination to such a degree: the society-wide glorification of violence, revenge, vengeance, with the absurdly easy access to guns . . . and now, “open carry” laws which in many states don’t even require licenses, testing, training, etc.
A third reason may return, due to our eroding infrastructure and Trump’s accelerating deregulation: lead contamination. Some researchers believe the recent decline was at least partially due to a reduction in exposure to lead. This may well see a reversal.
Billy_TParticipantThanks for the video by Wolff. He’s always good. Pretty much everything he says is just common sense, IMO. But America has been so brainwashed for so long, it doesn’t even get that we would all be better off under actual socialism, the real thing, the fully democratic, egalitarian, cooperative, decentralized vision which was its mainstream prior to the Soviet Union. Libertarian Socialist, basically.
Was fantasizing the other day if I were to be president and could fill out my own cabinet and staff advisors, etc. etc. Wolff would be one of the people I’d ask right off the bat to join the team. Chomsky, David Harvey, Yanis Varoufakis, Thomas Piketty, Robert Brenner, John Bellamy Foster, Naomi Klein. Perhaps a coupla more mainstream folks like Stiglitz and John Quiggin.
I’d also ask them for recommendations on the best Marxian economists, the best leftist consumer, environmental, labor and education activists, both in terms of operations and PR. I’d make sure I staffed the new administration with the best and the brightest, keep it highly diverse — going well beyond my not-so-diverse list above — with no connections to Wall Street and Big Business. I’d draw primarily from leftist activist circles, Academe, the working class, etc. Lots from the working class.
In short, I’d go where no administration has ever gone before, like a leftist Starship Captain Kirk.
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Billy_TParticipantWell my own take on the Russian ‘hacking/influencing’ story is a little different.
I mean, i actually watch a lot of the RT stuff and a lot of it is good. A lot of it isn’t. I would definitely say if Joe-average-citizen were to watch RT plus MSM-American stuff they would be ‘better informed’ than if Joe-average-citizen only watched the corporate american-MSM.
I mean, the thing is, these stories always act like the american-msm is all about truth and accuracy and the russians are all about evil-distortions. The truth of course is much different. Sometimes the MSM gets closer to the truth, sometimes russia, sometimes both, sometimes neither, etc.
A lot of times RT vids talk about the American-plutocracy or oligarchy etc — now is that in an effort to ‘destabalize’ the american system? Well, i dont care, since its a message americans need to hear. Etc, and so forth. I could go on about this.
I have yet to see a single article on this subject that reflects my point of view on this russia thing.
And btw, i would not trust any of those six ‘experts’ that were doing the talking that gave rise to that article.
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Can you flesh out your take on Trump, the election, and where we are now? If media reflected your own views, what would they say? At least, what would they be asking?
Billy_TParticipantRussia is a gawd-awful right-wing authoritarian oligarchy. How is your Russian news on criticizing Russia?
That part is key for me. Russia is a hard-right autocracy, and it supports neo-fascists throughout Europe, in hopes of getting them elected. And your question above is the right one to ask. Does RT ever even question Russia’s own oligarchical practices? Does it go after Russia’s own pollution, corruption, violence, imperialism, etc.?
We definitely need strong critiques of our own ills. American imperialism needs to be critiqued and opposed, ferociously. But I’m highly skeptical of media outlets which seem to only concentrate on America, and no one else. And that brings us to Wikileaks: They ONLY go after America, and in recent years, just Democrats. Can anyone make an honest case that America is alone in the world when it comes to imperialist actions, destruction of eco-systems, government and corporate malfeasance, etc. etc.?
And by that, I’m saying it needs to be “both/and” not “either/or” as ZN mentions above. It’s not an excuse like “But mommy, mommy!! Joey did it too, waaaaaaaaaghhhh!” I’m saying attack imperialism, warmongering, empire expansion, inequality, the acceptance of poverty, hunger, homelessness, etc. etc. everywhere it exists. Everywhere. No one gets to skate on that. Not America. Not Russia. Not China or any of dozens and dozens of nation which promote, defend or at least allow evil.
And that’s the real “solidarity” in all of this. That’s the real potential for a righteous leftist revival. No cherry-picking. Just as we should be all about “social inclusion,” we need to be equal-opportunity fighters against injustice, regardless of source.
Billy_TParticipantTrump’s key demo was white males without college degrees. The vast majority of them do not own businesses — which is also the case with the vast majority of Americans, period.
So it actually doesn’t tell us that much to note that country-club Republicans supported him too, and may not hold such fears. They’re very small in number, even within his base, and a fraction of that number when it comes to the nation (as a percentage) in general.
Yes, resentment toward blacks, minorities, women and feriners was an essential component — THE essential component — when it comes to his key demo. The research makes this abundantly clear.
The thing is, what should be done with this knowledge? At the very least, parties that seek to win those votes must start out with this simple rule: Don’t punch down. Don’t trash the voters themselves — which Clinton did with her “basket of deplorables” comment. That was a very stupid, self-inflicted error. Instead, punch up. Go after political parties, corporations, etc. Go after the rich and powerful. Don’t attack the voters themselves who are just as powerless overall as the rest of us. Sanders understands this.
Next, you actually have to offer stark contrasts to the existing power structures, and be able to explain this with vigor, heart, passion, fire. Clinton couldn’t. At least in public, she has all the charisma of a wet blanket. She may be a completely different person in her private life, but in public, she’s absolutely the worst possible salesperson for any kind of political message.
That message also needs actual deeds and concrete actions to back it up. If it’s the beginning of a new party or movement, that’s going to be an obstacle to overcome, but it can be done. But, if a political party has a strong history of actually doing great things for those voters, and they can sell it, they win. The Dems haven’t had a great history since the 1960s, so it’s difficult for them. But they do have the New Deal legacy. They’re going to have to return to their heyday and go left from there, and they have to stop running from it. They have to break free of the right’s four-decade hold on them. They have to absolutely reject the conservative vision they’ve embraced, whether or not they even realize they’ve done this.
Billy_TParticipantFor the admins here: It would be helpful on this particular site for the owner to switch to SSL. Very helpful. It’s not free, unless he or she gets it as a perk through their hosting company. But it’s much more secure. I use SSL on my own website and it costs me south of $100 for the year, also subject to “deals.”
The entire web should be encrypted by default. If that were the case, we would have less to worry about. But we’d still have to worry.
Everyone here should also use the https everywhere add-on. It obviously can’t create https where it doesn’t exist, but it forces https connections when they do.
Billy_TParticipantI bumped into a pretty good article on the subject, but there are many, and not all IT folks agree on this stuff.
Excerpt:
VPNs, Tor, and HTTPS: Preserving your privacy
To protect your browsing history from your ISP, you need to encrypt your Internet traffic, and there are three primary methods of accomplishing that: VPN services, Tor, and HTTPS.
“That’s basically it,” Electronic Frontier Foundation Senior Staff Technologist Jeremy Gillula told Ars. “Those are the three ways you can encrypt [your browsing] so that the ISP can’t see it.”
Your ISP can see that you’re using a VPN or Tor, “but that’s all they’ll see,” Gillula said.
With a VPN, you’re paying a company to encrypt all of your Web traffic and prevent others from tracing your Web browsing back to your IP address. You’re trusting that the VPN company will not keep logs of your activities and that it will generally be more respectful of your privacy than your ISP.
Readers have been asking us for a definitive list of the best VPN services. But as we covered last year, this is really an impossible task. You can find out whether a VPN provider promises not to keep logs of your Internet activities, but there’s no way to verify whether the VPN provider actually keeps logs, Gillula said.
A VPN provider would see exactly what your ISP would see, but “in some cases, that may be better than trusting your ISP, because your ISP may just straight out say, ‘we’re going to be snooping through your browsing history,'” Gillula said.
For guidelines on what to expect and what not to expect from VPN services, read our feature from last year. We also discussed VPNs and other technologies in this beginner’s guide to boosting your privacy and security online.
While each VPN is operated by a single provider, Tor is a distributed network that tries to preserve anonymity by routing traffic through a series of relays.
“When you use the Tor software, your IP address remains hidden and it appears that your connection is coming from the IP address of a Tor exit relay, which can be anywhere in the world,” the EFF explains.
Tor is not without vulnerabilities. But generally speaking, while operators of Tor exit nodes “can see traffic going back and forth, they wouldn’t be able to trace it back to you,” Gillula said. They’d know that someone is going to the websites you’re visiting, but they “wouldn’t know that it originated from your home IP address.” Tor is thus “a little more privacy preserving than the VPN,” he said.
Further Reading
Ars announces HTTPS by default (finally)VPNs have an advantage over Tor in ease of use if you want to configure your router to tunnel all of your traffic through the VPN, Gillula said.
“You can do that with Tor, but that takes a little more tech savvy than firing up the Tor browser bundle,” which only encrypts traffic in and out of the browser, rather than throughout your home, he said. But there are Tor-enabled routers, which we have reviewed in the past.
Finally, there is HTTPS, which if present in your URL bar indicates that your connection to a particular website is encrypted. As we discussed earlier, your ISP can’t see what you do on an HTTPS-enabled website. For example, the ISP knows when you visit https://arstechnica.com, but it doesn’t see which articles you’re reading.
The HTTPS Everywhere browser extension offered by EFF and The Tor Project provides greater protection on websites that offer only limited support for encryption via HTTPS. However, “it only upgrades your connection if the website supports [HTTPS], and then only if it’s in our list of websites that support HTTPS,” Gillula said. If the website doesn’t support HTTPS at all, you’re out of luck.
Turning on your Web browser’s private or incognito mode will not prevent ISPs from seeing your Internet activity. Google, for example, says that Chrome’s incognito mode prevents the Chrome browser itself from saving the sites that you visit, but does not stop ISPs and websites from seeing which websites you’ve visited.
Billy_TParticipantSome people confuse the history on their own computers with ISP logs. We don’t have any access to the latter, and that’s what is now legal to sell. To anyone. Without our permission. Which obviously means, the buyers can sell it to whomever as well.
I’ve always cleared my browser info. I set Firefox to do it automatically when it closes the browser, and I can use another one of its features to clear them for the last five minutes, or longer. And I also use ccleaner religiously. But that won’t help us one whit when it comes to ISP logs.
It’s a bit like — but not quite — thinking you’re fine if you just clear the “sent” folder in your email program, after you’ve just hit “send” on an email to a mailing list. The people you sent emails to have it now, obviously. Clearing the folder on your own computer does nothing to change that . . . Though, there are email services that can “take back” emails if the person on the other end hasn’t saved them to other files, or uploaded them to “the cloud,” etc.
In reality, what the Senate did was take things to another level entirely. It should be illegal to sell any information, by any means, at any time, without a citizen’s consent, and while the Obama admin fell short on that when it came to companies like Google and Yahoo, the Republicans just made things a thousand times worse.
Billy_TParticipantA follow up on the Russian thing. The business-ties aspect was woefully under-reported during the campaign season, and may well have altered the outcome if it had been known. It’s yet one more case where Trump has been caught lying, and his connections with mobsters should unsettle everyone . . .
Excerpt:
To expand his real estate developments over the years, Donald Trump, his company and partners repeatedly turned to wealthy Russians and oligarchs from former Soviet republics — several allegedly connected to organized crime, according to a USA TODAY review of court cases, government and legal documents and an interview with a former federal prosecutor.
The president and his companies have been linked to at least 10 wealthy former Soviet businessmen with alleged ties to criminal organizations or money laundering.
Among them:
• A member of the firm that developed the Trump SoHo Hotel in New York is a twice-convicted felon who spent a year in prison for stabbing a man and later scouted for Trump investments in Russia.
• An investor in the SoHo project was accused by Belgian authorities in 2011 in a $55 million money-laundering scheme.
• Three owners of Trump condos in Florida and Manhattan were accused in federal indictments of belonging to a Russian-American organized crime group and working for a major international crime boss based in Russia.
• A former mayor from Kazakhstan was accused in a federal lawsuit filed in Los Angeles in 2014 of hiding millions of dollars looted from his city, some of which was spent on three Trump SoHo units.
• A Ukrainian owner of two Trump condos in Florida was indicted in a money-laundering scheme involving a former prime minister of Ukraine.
Trump’s Russian connections are of heightened interest because of an FBI investigation into possible collusion between Trump’s presidential campaign and Russian operatives to interfere in last fall’s election. What’s more, Trump and his companies have had business dealings with Russians that go back decades, raising questions about whether his policies would be influenced by business considerations.
Trump told reporters in February: “I have no dealings with Russia. I have no deals that could happen in Russia, because we’ve stayed away. And I have no loans with Russia. I have no loans with Russia at all.”
Yet in 2013, after Trump addressed potential investors in Moscow, he bragged to Real Estate Weekly about his access to Russia’s rich and powerful. “I have a great relationship with many Russians, and almost all of the oligarchs were in the room,” Trump said, referring to Russians who made fortunes when former Soviet state enterprises were sold to private investors.
Five years earlier, Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. told Russian media while in Moscow that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets” in places like Dubai and Trump SoHo and elsewhere in New York.
New York City real estate broker Dolly Lenz told USA TODAY she sold about 65 condos in Trump World at 845 U.N. Plaza in Manhattan to Russian investors, many of whom sought personal meetings with Trump for his business expertise.
“I had contacts in Moscow looking to invest in the United States,” Lenz said. “They all wanted to meet Donald. They became very friendly.” Many of those meetings happened in Trump’s office at Trump Tower or at sales events, Lenz said.
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Billy_TParticipantI agree with roughly 95% of what he said, but his comment on Trump and Russia just baffles me. It’s basically a non-sequitur when it comes to his own critique of Trump, and I find this same non-sequitur appearing with other lefties. Hard-right Russia continues to be their blind spot:
Very little that comes out of the White House would be expected from a US president. But another question comes to mind as well. What is this all about? When Obama was presenting himself to the public before the 2008 primaries, one of his proudest accomplishments — in fact, one of the very few of his senatorial career — was impassioned support for Israel’s murderous invasion of Lebanon. He even went so far as to cosponsor legislation calling for strong action against any country that might impede the assault. Has anyone on the Trump team been accused of similar support for Russian crimes? True, there have been some entirely improper acts, notably Michael Flynn’s failure to register as an agent of Turkey. But that is not the focus of the anger of the Democrats, whose primary concern in this affair seems to be to extinguish one of the few rays of light in the Trump performances, his indications of concern to reduce tensions with Russia that might well explode to terminal nuclear war. It’s perhaps of some interest that one may turn to the leading establishment journal, Foreign Affairs, to find an informed analysis of the fierce liberal opposition to such sensible moves and its background.
Russia’s annexation of Crimea isn’t at least as bad as Israel’s attack on Lebanon? Its record of killing its own political dissidents isn’t worthy of rebuke? Its tripling down on neoliberal capitalism, which has resulted in inequality levels that make ours look like an anarchist commune in comparison . . . That’s not worthy of rebuke? America leads the west in inequality, and Russia makes us look really good on that score. Hard-right Russia. I just don’t get this reluctance from some on the left to call them out.
And I see no attempt by Trump or his team to reduce tensions with Russia in order to forge peace around the world. They seem to want Russia to join in with us to go to war against the Middle East. Yeah, let’s break out those flowers and rainbows!!
We all have blind spots. This idea that Trump has the noblest of motives when it comes to Russia, while being rabidly bellicose in dozens of other cases? He’s calling for massive military buildup (which NC notes), rattling his saber repeatedly against Iran, China, North Korea and the Middle East in general . . . not to mention his viciousness toward the undocumented.
Seriously, some folks are trying to make 2+2=5.
Billy_TParticipantChomsky is a national treasure, and I don’t know how he remains so brilliant at his age. But he does. One of the great “public intellectuals” in a time when their ranks have been depleted for decades.
Good to see him bring up the Ike quote, which I’ve tossed out in the past in arguments with righties too:
no use for those — regardless of their political party — who hold some foolish dream of spinning the clock back to days when unorganized labor was a huddled, almost helpless mass…. Today in America unions have a secure place in our industrial life. Only a handful of unreconstructed reactionaries harbor the ugly thought of breaking unions. Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of the right to join the union of their choice.
Billy_TParticipantI voted for Stein, can’t stand the Clintons, the DLC, the Dems in general, etc. My own political philosophy is well to the left of even Stein’s. But, to me, there’s just no getting around the fact that the Russians decided, with the help of Wikileaks, to ONLY expose Democrats. This couldn’t help but sway the election results to some degree, because the ONLY party that was exposed was the Democratic party. If Wikileaks and the Russians had published emails from the GOP and the Trump campaign too, there’s no doubt in my mind that Americans would have learned unsavory things about them as well. At least as bad as the Dems. At least.
I know you’re a Leftist Billy_T. I’ve read your stuff for decades now and enjoy it . I was very happy you returned. I just don’t think hackers would find anything in GOP emails that would make people leave the GOP and vote for Hillary. What could they possibly say?
“Hey after your interview on Fox tonight let’s volunteer downtown at the shelter and help some poor folks” or maybe “hey lets pencil in next week to work on a bill to ban all firearms “. These are people that believe Obama is Muslim and they hate Muslims .They’re generally stupid enough to murder Sikhs because the ” believe ” that Sikhs are murderous Muslims. My theory is they(Hackers) wanted Sanders and tried to get HRC to pull out for the good of the country but that’s just not who she is.Thanks, ER.
You make a lot of good points. Though I think revelations from the GOP might well has dissuaded some of their voters if they had shown their own elitism. Like, mocking their own base, or internal memos about making sure the super-rich received massive tax cuts while mocking that base for going along with this. Some variation on the “suckers” theme.
But, we’ll never know. I just wish we had a host of choices outside the duopoly, and I don’t think this country will survive if we’re locked into just the two, going forward.
I honestly fear for the younger generations, especially on environmental grounds.
Hope all is well.
Billy_TParticipantThat;s easy, those are helmet logos from the old NFL Ancient Greeks division.
Ah, yes…who could forget their great rivalry with the teams of the PFC (Persian Football Conference)?
Nittany,
Are you really cyrus about that? Cyrusially?
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