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  • in reply to: Dem Convention #119517
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    My own two cents. Just this thread alone shows how “diverse” we leftists are. Just the examples of ZN, Zooey and WV show that. We’re a very small group here, but we don’t sing from the same hymnal, necessarily, and this diversity literally gets multiplied as we zoom out on the whole of Leftist World. Btw, HBO should do a show about that. A theme park of sorts. No robots, obviously. A lot of unruly cat-herding, though.

    That said, when I look back, I wish I had done a better job, especially regarding WV’s posts, of making this point:

    There is a huge difference between what individual leftists say, and what folks with audiences say, especially when it comes to elections. I don’t always follow my own advice on stuff like this, but I know this is the case: We shouldn’t get wound up about those individual voices.

    It’s really just shooting the shit more often than not, though it does have the potential for more: revising one’s views, working on one’s own arguments, trying to express and exchange thoughts, feelings, letting folks know where we stand, etc. etc. But we shouldn’t kid ourselves. What we say here, or in 99% of the rest of the Internetz, won’t budge the folks in power one iota. Knowing this means it really is okay to dissent, disagree, diverge on the issues. It really is okay that WV prefers Krystal Ball to the far cooler Francesca Fiorentini and Zoë Amanda Wilson. It really is okay that ZN has this very odd fixation on pies. And Zooey? Well, I reread Salinger’s collection the other day, and man, his namesake can be annoying at times, especially when he’s going after Franny for using the Jesus Prayer.

    Bottom line for me? I can’t stand orthodoxy. I’m not so thrilled when the supposedly heterodox start to sound alike either. Like when I was taking Art classes in college and a group of “outsiders” within that college basically dressed the same and sang from the same hymnal on all too much. Vive la différence!

    in reply to: Retirement options: Ten Best Overseas Destinations. #119515
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    I’m leaning toward Portugal overall. And I figure . . . live there, and I have the entire cultural candy store of Europe at my beck and call. And if by some miracle, I ever sell a novel, which would entail me actually trying to sell a novel, I’ve heard, I might finally achieve my dream:

    Own a castle. Live in a castle. Fight off invading hordes from my castle, if necessary.

    To be honest, there is very little I’d miss about the US, beyond the ability to watch the Rams, Lakers and SF Giants. Well, I’d miss the land, its beautiful variety, its mountains, valleys and vastness too. A hell of a lot. But the combination of empire, hegemony, its being the evangel for the economic system I despise above all others, its reactionary politics — and this was the case prior to the Trump era — has soured me almost beyond repair.

    The reaction by too many Americans to the pandemic sealed the deal for me. Once, long ago, I could pretty much hold the Land and its People above the workings of empire, hegemony, etc. etc. . . . and find a way to push on from there. But too many Americans showed me that reactionary, selfish, hate-filled, fanatical souls are far too prevalent here.

    Not sure if I’d really escape from that moving anywhere else. But I’m willing to find out.

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    Keep an eye out for an article by Jason Johnson this week (tomorrow?) at the Grio:

    Home

    He teased it a bit on TV today. Apparently, Trump and company used detailed voter info, gathered for the (failed) voter fraud investigation, to help them target where to fook up the mail for this election. I kinda figured they’d find a nasty way to weaponize that data, but didn’t see this coming.

    In general, the Dems will ask for info in this or that investigation, and rarely get it, cuz Republicans say “Hell no!” . . . the Dems then say “Not fair!” and leave it at that. The GOP, on the other hand, tends to get the stuff they ask for. Asymmetric warfare.

    One side is playing by the Marquis of Queensbury rules, and the other side says Fook off. It’s long past time the Dems act like Republicans when it comes to stuff like this.

    Inklings and green shoots. But not nearly enough, especially in the Age of Trump Outrage Fatigue.

    in reply to: voting/voter suppression/how to vote #119342
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    This is the biggest threat to our fake-democracy, since I’ve been voting.

    Its startling.

    I’m gonna stand in fucking line, and risk getting Covid. And i dont mind. I’m going to enjoy risking my life to vote against that disgusting piece of trump-shit.

    Maybe its about time voting was actually a risk for white people, in this country.

    No way I’m relying on the mail, now.

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    I’m thinking the same thing. Our voting place rarely has much in the way of lines, and if I time it correctly, I can probably avoid the worst of them. Will be wearing a double mask, protective goggles for my eyes, and quite possible full body armor.

    Haven’t looked into the local or state laws regarding medieval weaponry and horses inside community centers, but I have a feeling they’ll accept whatever I do.

    in reply to: Biden, Trump, the left, elections… #119280
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    …Of course, we don’t know what the Dem establishment does (or did) behind the scenes, but at least they’re publicly supporting their leftward most flank. That’s encouraging.

    Baby steps, etc.

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    We know the 99 to 1 number. Whats the algebra in the House. How many leftist-squad members are there, compared to the Dem/Rep Corporatist-Biosphere-Killers ?

    I’ve been trying to figure it out. Its harder than i thought because there’s so many ways to define progressive/radical/leftist, etc.

    If we look at the term ‘Democratic Socialist’ its easy – the algebra is:

    432 to 3.

    AOC, Talib, and….Danny Davis? Why have i never heard of fucking Danny Davis?
    From Illinois, since 1997.

    link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Socialists_of_America_members_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States
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    Had not heard of Danny Davis either. But I am surprised that Omar and Pressley aren’t considered DSA. Haven’t really done the legwork on the subject. Just assumed they were.

    As we’ve talked about before . . . lotsa room for differences even among leftists . . . and my conception of “democratic socialism” is likely different from some others. As in, not sure every leftist sees it meaning/calling for the full replacement of capitalism with economic democracy, as I do and advocate for . . . as did Orwell, Gandhi, Einstein, Camus, Dorothy Day, Upton Sinclair, Bertrand Russell and, more recently, the Dalai Lama.

    And so on and so forth . . .

    But it gives me great hope that the fear seems to be fading a bit when it comes to using the two words, identifying with them, etc. . . . and recent studies suggest Gen Z is even more left-leaning than the Millennials.

    Green shoots.

    in reply to: elections thread #119265
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    Also, more from the “I need to get a life” column.

    I think the host of that video misuses the term “neoliberal,” and I’ve noticed that with other lefty Youtube folks, like Krystal Ball.

    Neoliberalism was never, and is not now, the exclusive domain of the Dems, nor does it have anything to do with “liberals” or “liberalism.” It’s all about “liberalizing the markets,” at least as a euphemism for ceding even more power to the ultra-rich and corporate America. But the liberal part of the word has nothing to do with political liberalism per se.

    It’s a right-wing economic philosophy that rose in opposition to Keynesianism and the Keynesian Consensus, and basically supplanted it in the 1970s. It’s also sometimes called “freshwater economics,” Chicago School economics, or Reagan/Thatcherism. Ironically, it had and still has vastly more adherents among Republicans — basically the entire GOP, including Trump — and the Republican version is far more hard-line. Its main tenets are:

    1. Slash taxes for rich people and corporations
    2. Deregulate the markets, business in general, and Finance especially
    3. Sell off and otherwise privatize public goods and services

    Dems have a “soft” version of this; Republicans have a “hard” version. The latter goes much further in scope and kind.

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    Oh, and while we’re at it, we need to get rid of shaky cams, too. They’re almost as bad as microfiche, which, thank goddess, are nearly dead and buried, except in a few Cathar libraries in Southern France which escaped the Inquisition.

    in reply to: elections thread #119262
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    Cornell, talking the usual leftist-talk. Which is good, of course.

    “i dont endorse them, i vote for them…”

    Good stuff, but timing is everything. As are mixed messages.

    As mentioned elsewhere, I’d suggest that left-public-intellectuals and any lefty with an audience simply refrain from the “Trump is horrible and we need to vote him out, but so are Democrats!” — for now. Give it a pause. Just three months. Then return to our normally scheduled legitimate and absolutely necessary critiques. Make the points about Trump, the GOP, and the far-right instead, and stop there.

    There’s just no way around the fact that the “but so are Democrats” balancing act encourages confusion in voters — consciously and/or subconsciously — which likely results in fewer people voting overall, which likely helps Trump win reelection.

    So if the aim truly is to defeat Trump, which West said must be done, then it’s logical to avoid largely canceling out that message with “Harris is empty and Biden single-handedly created our carceral system disaster,” etc. etc.

    We leftists can’t work with Biden/Harris on reforms, or push them leftward, if we leftists provoke too much “Fuck this, I’m staying home!” — thus helping Trump win reelection in the process. Again, to me, this is just common sense, human psychology, and the way politics works.

    in reply to: elections thread #119260
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    Omar won her primary
    https://twitter.com/i/events/1293444813874847744

    That’s really great news. I admire her a ton. She’s brave, like the entire Squad. They receive an endless stream of death threats, and until recently, weren’t even supported by their own party.

    As you note, it’s still only 99-1 in the Senate. But the way our (glacial) system typically works, is that the House is the farm team for future senators. I’m betting AOC (or someone like her) moves on to the Senate in a few years. The more folks like AOC, Omar, Tlaib, Cori Bush win House seats, the better shot this will translate to an increase in progressives* in the Senate.

    *Personally, I’m not a fan of using that word to describe “leftists.” But I’m not the Mayor of the Political Spectrum. My own take — and it’s obviously not a big deal, one way or another — is that “leftists” are to the left of progressives . . . and that “progressive” can be used interchangeably with “liberal” in many cases. I think it exists as a term today because “liberals” got sick and tired of seeing that term being abused by wingnuts, and too few had the courage of their own convictions to be fight for and be proud of the word.

    Of course, all too many liberals aren’t liberal about much beyond culture war stuff, so there’s that, too. But the same can be said about some “progressives,” too, unfortunately. So, to me, the best catch-all term for those of us who include “systems,” economics, the environment, imperialism, empire, the carceral state, foreign policy . . . and so on . . . is leftist.

    I really have to get a life.

    ;>)

    in reply to: elections thread #119257
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    We all get caught in traps of our own devising. I’m willing to bet that Trump wishes he never ran for president right about now.

    This is not in defense of him, and gods know, I want anybody but him in office, but I’m starting to feel a strange emotion. Certainly nothing I ever felt growing up, but I think it is “pity”.

    When all is said and done, and there is nothing left to say or do, he may unleash nuclear hell for all I know, but I can’t help but feel sorry for his lonely, scared inner child. I heard an Abe Lincoln quote that went, “I don’t like that man; I need to get to know him better.” Not sure what he meant by “know”, but whatever.

    Maybe Donald needs to be locked in a room and forced to listen to Pink Floyd’s “The Wall” non-stop for a few days…

    TSRF,

    Just my own two cents: Don’t pity him. Evah. He’s flat out evil. Seriously. And I don’t mean that in the religious sense. I mean it in the sense of his actual deeds. What he’s done. Before and during the presidency.

    The list is endless and we’re becoming numb to it. Mob ties, racist business practices, self-dealing from his own charity, Trump U, his serial lying and sexual predations . . . and on to his kids and cages, selling off millions of acres of protected public lands, reopening pipe lines on indigenous lands, gutting our all too meager environmental laws and regs, . . . . and currently, openly attempting to bottle up the mail system so only GOP votes count.

    We have not seen his like as far as psychotic, morally reprehensible and dangerously ignorant behavior, ever . . . and his actions regarding the pandemic have cost the lives of well over 100,000 Americans. IMO, it’s completely correct and “fair” to pin the blame for that on Trump, directly.

    Yes, Clinton would have governed as a moderate Republican, and would have sucked up to corporate America. But she also never would have let 168,000 Americans (and counting) die of Covid-19 to this point. America might not have been in the South Korea range (300, roughly), much less New Zealand (25, roughly). But I have no doubt that she would have listened to the science enough to keep things at least in the very low thousands.

    Of course, one death is one too many. But 1% or 2% of current totals means a massive reduction in lost dreams, hopes and mourning.

    Trump is beneath contempt, and he’s getting worse by the day.

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    in reply to: stories about racism & what it is #119249
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    You guys have probably seen this already. But Trump is going full-on “birther” with Harris too, and praised the nutcase who pushed this racist garbage in Newsweek.

    link https://www.alternet.org/2020/08/newsweek-claims-birtherism-article-about-kamala-harris-isnt-about-race-of-course-it-is/

    In the midst of all the other shit going on in the world, he does this?

    Stick a fork in me. I’m done. It’s over. After seeing this, I did the unthinkable. I tuned in to an Easy Listening station on my cable system.

    in reply to: Biden, Trump, the left, elections… #119224
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    The DNC-Corporatists gave AOC an entire sixty seconds. What a shock.

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    Apparently, Pelosi got the message and publicly supported Tlaib and Omar in their respective intra-Dem election battles. Looks like she did the same for AOC. The last member of the Squad, Pressley, isn’t being challenged by a fellow Dem. So it looks like they’ll all return for Round Two.

    Of course, we don’t know what the Dem establishment does (or did) behind the scenes, but at least they’re publicly supporting their leftward most flank. That’s encouraging.

    Baby steps, etc.

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 3 months ago by Avatar photoBilly_T.
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    I;ve said it before. It’s a choice between losing your leg or gangrene. So I am with you on this.

    Not to the point of arguing about it with comrades. If someone can’t do it, they can’t do it. I get it.

    Well said, especially the last part.

    If, say, Giuseppe Leftista, with his own column in Jacobin or Current Affairs, just can’t refrain from blasting the Dems for X, Y or Z, so be it. If Gudrun Sigurddóttir, with her ezine, youtube show and surprising column in the NYT has to do the same, so be it. That’s their right. I won’t argue, not that they’d care what I had to say, regardless.

    ;>)

    I just (fervently) hope they’d refrain. At least for another 90 days or so.

    If by some miracle all the crooked, corrupt, malicious and anti-democratic dirty tricks we all know Trump will try fail . . . and Trump/Harris end up in the White House on January 20th, confirmed, etc. etc. . . . then leftists with audiences should have at it, guns ablazing at both major parties and the System, whenever this is warranted.

    Which is nearly. All. The. Time.

    in reply to: Biden, Trump, the left, elections… #119128
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    Jeezus fucking christ, zooey. I just ate.

    Lord.

    This is way worse than calling an Admin a bozo. Something needs to be done about zooey.

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    ;>)

    Don’t know the writer, but I think she gets some of that right. Some of it wrong. But it mostly sounds like excuses.

    No, Sanders didn’t do that. Didn’t try to do that. If anything, he was far too easy on her in 2016.

    Yes, Russia and Trump created a faux she-devil out of Clinton, who is, IMO, just a garden-variety moderate Republican in Dem clothes, and not uniquely horrible, as some would have it. Oh, and Bill Clinton was/is much worse.

    Yes, the MSM trashed her. Multiple studies have shown that her emails (nothing burger) garnered far more media attention than anything Trump ever did, and that’s media malpractice, by definition.

    Yes, Republican Comey did stick a knife in her, going against FBI policy of not swaying the election in the last 90 days. He did this ten days before the election, while hiding the fact that Trump was under investigation too.

    Some Dems blamed her. Not enough, though. Most Dems won’t let this go, nor will Trump, nor will Russia, etc. etc.

    in reply to: Question for my fellow leftists . . . #119098
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    Oh, and the cook has a name, right?

    in reply to: Question for my fellow leftists . . . #119097
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    The way they see it, I’m either totally in step with them or completely useless. I change the subject. Cooking is a good subject change topic.

    Isn’t it more about a certain kind of cooking with you? Be honest, now:

    in reply to: wv’s pandemic ram-vision in krogers #119076
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    So, i was, masked, in the big-box-grocery-store, pushing my clanky cart, looking for my corporate-food. Clanking along in the corporate-soup-aisle, searching for progresso-lentil-soup.
    (I add corporate-black-bean-spicy-hummus, and corporate-hot-sauce to it)

    Turning the corner, I see a Vision. Plain-as-day, in a blinding-bright, blue-and-yellow jersey. A tall young man, wearing a big jersey — no.99.

    Astonishment. Breathtaking.

    It was like….that moment in ‘The Natural’ when Robert Redford looks into the stands and sees the shining-light-woman. Except this was in the corporate-box-store, in the corporate-soup-aisle.

    I mean, this never happens in Motown, WV. This…never….happens. A human in a fucking Rams Jersey.

    So, i practically levitated. I cried out, “Aaron Donald! He’s my man! Yes!”
    (I dont even know what that means. It just erupted out of me.)

    And this ram-vision smiled at me (like Jesus) and said, “Yeah, man.”

    So much more to say, of course — I closed this distance toward him — and then I saw. The mother-fucker had no mask. NO mask.

    So, i turned and wheeled away.

    A pandemic ram-vision. What to make of it all. I dont know.

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    ;>)

    You got too close to Glenn Close.

    As your neighbor to the east, I’ve run into the maskless all too often. For a bit there, I often made the mistake of getting mad and telling them to put on their freakin masks, and why. Luckily, no fisticuffs ensued. But after my many recent eye surgeries, and reading so many stories of these things escalating into shootings (and murder), I thought it best to try a different approach. Speed up my hunter-gathering efforts in said stores and exit quickly stage left.

    But it still pisses me off. All the science (and common sense) tells us that if America had bought into wearing masks, the official count of deaths (165K or so) would have been a tiny fraction of what it is today. It would have been more in line with South Korea’s (300?), if not New Zealand’s (22).

    Which kinda sorta forms a bridge to your comments and quotes in the other thread. As Sartre said, Hell is other people.

    in reply to: Question for my fellow leftists . . . #119073
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    “Won’t happen in a million years and it’s crazy to even talk about it! Human nature, etc. etc.!”

    That’s the primary symptom of ideology at work. It identifies an immutable, universal “human nature” which, by its “nature” so to speak will allow one kind of socio-political arrangement and not others. So that the system in question is naturalized.

    BTW I think that someone who is open to a Scandanavian arrangement is more that just a lib, they’re into the territory of progressive.

    But not all progressives agree on everything, as we know. I tend to take things like that one cookie at a time. If someone is down with the advanced-type new FDR stuff and social democracy and things like single-payer insurance for health care, that’s a lot.

    Good analysis, ZN.

    To make it easier, I’ll forego my usual strictures and say it’s a male sibling. And, yes, in some ways, one could call him a “progressive.” He’s not really quite in the AOC camp, but he likes her, admires her, and I think he’s on board with some of the things she’s calling for. But on the subject of a radical change to the economic system, and/or flattening hierarchies, it’s a big fat No Way. He’s very rigid about that. Again, he seems to get angry at even the inklings of a discussion on the subject. That “human nature” stuff kicks in, and even when I hesitantly tried to remind him of all the cultures that lived communally for the vast majority of human existence (so it can’t be a matter of human nature) he kinda shuts that talk down too. Angrily.

    He also mentioned that the only way we’d start fresh would be after a world-wide cataclysm. Not sure, but I think he might think I (and most socialists) want this, and I don’t. Quite the contrary. Quite the 180°, etc. I think we need to replace capitalism to avoid that world-wide cataclysm (via climate change).

    The frustrating thing for me is that I’m positive he doesn’t get my views, at all, but is certain he does, and won’t let me voice more than half a sentence to clarify. I have a feeling he thinks I want everything to “go back” to ancient village life, without any “modern” innovations, and that if we got rid of capitalism and replaced it with economic democracy, that’s where we’d be.

    Also, I’m not trying to get him to join me, agree with me, become a leftist. I really just want him to understand where I stand. That’s important to me. That family understand this. Based on recent conversations, however, I think that’s never going to happen, and it makes me, well, beyond sad.

    Again, he’s well-educated and smart. This just seems to be a real sore spot for him, and he just won’t brook dialogue that might alter set-in-stone viewpoints.

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 3 months ago by Avatar photoBilly_T.
    in reply to: Question for my fellow leftists . . . #119066
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    The more I think about it, it’s on me, no matter how I slice it.

    Wrong to bring it up at all. Never gets anywhere. And I’m still seemingly incapable of bringing up even the preliminaries to a preliminary discussion, at least via spoken word.

    I think I’m more successful writing it down, but because I’ve attempted the out loud stuff with this and other people in my life, I think the written page is now out of the question too. They’d likely just hit delete.

    Oh, well. There’s always a full Rams season to look forward to, right?

    in reply to: Question for my fellow leftists . . . #119065
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    “I’m tired of this back-slappin’ “isn’t humanity neat” bullshit. We’re a virus with shoes.”
    ― Bill Hicks

    “I hate mankind, for I think myself one of the best of them, and I know how bad I am.”
    ― Samuel Johnson

    Good quotes, as always.

    E.M. Cioran was in a class by himself as a great humbug. Never liked his politics, but there were few philosophers who could match him, curmudgeon v. curmudgeon:

    No one recovers from the disease of being born, a deadly wound if there ever was one.

    There is no means of proving it is preferable to be than not to be.

    If we could see ourselves as others see us, we would vanish on the spot.

    It is not worth the bother of killing yourself, since you always kill yourself too late.

    Life is possible only by the deficiencies of our imagination and memory.

    If, at the limit, you can rule without crime, you cannot do so without injustices.

    I feel much better now.

    ;>)

    in reply to: Question for my fellow leftists . . . #119064
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    WV and ZN (and various and sundry others):

    To make this even more confusssing . . . and at the risk of you guys giving up on me, too, for my part in all the confusssing ;>)

    This particular discussant and I were able to talk about AOC a bit, whom they said they admired . . . and that person sounded amenable to, even desirous of, the Nordic political model to some degree. And I was able to bring that up a coupla times for confirmation. Basically, they seemed to want some form of “social democracy” here, if it was doable, but were most concerned with getting Trump out, first and foremost. It was just the hint of a hint of an attempt to start up a discussion regarding the full replacement of capitalism that drove this person up the wall.

    As in, something to the effect of, “So you’d be fine with America becoming Scandinavia, in a sense?”

    “Yes. That’s well worth striving for.”

    “How about full-on economic democracy, and an attempt to level all hierarchies?”

    “Won’t happen in a million years and it’s crazy to even talk about it! Human nature, etc. etc.!”

    The Jekyll/Hyde thing kicked in once I tried to push beyond standard issue Nordic stuff.

    in reply to: Question for my fellow leftists . . . #119056
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    I get that, ZN. You are probably right about “not going there,” basically.

    Apologies if I misread you . . . but in this case, ironically, the discussant is one of those “liberal Dems.” Not a righty by any means. Despises them, when it comes to politics in general.

    It’s just a bridge too far, for this person, if the discussion moves to replacing current system with alternatives, and even the beginnings of a hint regarding this (in the conversation) seems to bring things to an instant boil.

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    in reply to: The Trump Thread: Pro? Con? Who cares? #119049
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    Tom Nichols@RadioFreeTom
    Trump explaining the danger of stock prices, saying everyone owns stocks. The amazing thing about this is that a big chunk of his base, which does not own stocks, is probably nodding along as if they do,

    Was thinking the same thing. Last time I checked — but haven’t rechecked this recently — the richest 1% holds more than half the stocks. And, of course, the richest three Americans hold more wealth than the bottom 50% of the country combined . . . (Bezos, Gates and Buffet until recently. I think Zuckerberg has taken Buffet’s place).

    Trump’s voters likely don’t know these things — or they don’t care, cuz they’re certain they’ll be in that 1% soon enough.

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    in reply to: Question for my fellow leftists . . . #119047
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    Another kinda strange detail: The calls to just stop all talk about these alternative systems went on for some time. Strangely enough, the conversation lasted almost three hours. The door would be slammed shut, then reopen a crack, then close again, and so on. I think that aspect may be what has kept me up the last coupla nights.

    Oh, and the discussant is smart, well-educated, etc. This isn’t a matter of banging your head against the wall with someone who just won’t ever “get it” on most subjects.

    I wish I could have recorded the entire thing. Overall, a bizarre and frustrating situation, and by no means am I without fault in the matter. I share plenty of it.

    in reply to: Where’s PA Ram? #118994
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    Havent heard from him in too long a time.

    And Fast Eddy, where’s Fast Eddy?

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    Fast Eddy? I remember him. And Team Builder too. And Ramble On. Give or take a year or two, I think I started posting on Rams boards (that made their way to the Original Herd, one way or another) back in 1995.

    And it all ended cuz I spoke out about the blatant conservative bias of the mods, especially when it came to the subject of Kaepernick’s kneeling.

    Wonder if things have changed there recently, now that a majority of America supports what he did.

    Which leads me to this riff/sidebar:

    I often think about the conservative record overall on issues, going back decades. Objectively speaking, it’s always been horrendously, dangerously, historically wrong. In no particular order: on economics, inequality, the environment, science, evolution, civil rights, voting rights, workers’ rights, education, guns, health care . . . and now, the pandemic.

    Given that record, why does the media insist on grading “the right” on a curve, year after year after year? Why does it — and I’m talking about the MSM — go out of its way to try to be “balanced” when “the right” has so clearly aligned itself with the flat-earth side on every issue?

    in reply to: Where’s PA Ram? #118989
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    Hope Pa Ram is okay.

    Also, Mac. Sending thoughts and vibes of health and good wishes to you and yours. As others mentioned, please let us know how things turn out.

    in reply to: Trump floats the idea of delaying the election. #118682
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    Things are starting to take shape.

    Something the media has overlooked: Trump is basically telegraphing where and how he’ll steal the election — via the Postal Service. Dems and the Media have basically fallen into the trap of saying there is no proof of vote-by-mail fraud, which is true. Until now. They’re forgetting who’s in charge of the Post Office at the moment.

    With Trump, pretty much every tweet, every interview, every press conference is a confession or a projection. When he says this or that is rigged, he’s confessing.

    (I knew this would be a problem as soon as Trump installed one of his donors as head of the Postal Service):

    With Trump donor in charge, Postal Service may shut locations and cut service before Election Day Democrats raise concerns that new Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, a major Trump donor, may undermine mail-in voting

    Have you heard more about this, WV? Your senator is raising alarm bells.

    in reply to: Trump floats the idea of delaying the election. #118672
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    Really good video. I agreed with all of it.

    Good point about the (lame-assed) attempt at plausible deniability. It’s quite similar to how he ended his calls to ban all Muslims — which was straight out of Hitler’s playbook. To paraphrase, “Until we can figure out what the hell is going on here!”

    Again, until Trump decides when, where, how, etc. etc.

    Yep. He’s a fascist. And he’s quite literally pitting Americans against each other, in a new civil war . . . in the middle of a pandemic which he’s completely botched.

    Oh, and the 2nd Quarter GDP contracted by 33%.

    In my view, no sane person with a working moral compass could possibly vote for him. Of course, I thought that in 2016 as well.

    in reply to: COVID conspiracy theories and myths #118654
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    Written by the author of The Evolution of God, which I also loved, it’s basically a very intelligent pitch for a kind of secular Buddhism, with mindfulness meditation at its heart. Wright is an evolutionary psychologist, and gets scienzy (at times) in the service of the Buddhist Way, showing how it fits with natural selection, and can offset the “environmental mismatches” our evolution has created. Where it becomes relevant to the above discussion is via psychological studies regarding how easily we humans are led, misled, our opinions (re)shaped, altered, via (at times) very simple suggestions. And that’s all of us. We all are subject to this, to conditioned responses, etc.

    (Wright asserts that strong meditation practices can help us break free of that conditioning to one degree or another).

    Capitalist marketing weaponized/weaponizes all of the above to a degree we’ve never seen before, and the right does capitalist marketing far, far better than the left. It’s not even close.

    But we’re all “naturally” susceptible to this, for these illusions and delusions, cuz they once helped us stay alive/spread our genes into the next generation. Passing on our genes is our Prime Directive, as biological units. Wright contends that the secular Buddhist Way can help us get beyond that Prime Directive, rebel against it if need be, and it often is needed, given those increasing environmental mismatches.

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    Well i basically agree with all that.

    Cept i would qualify it with somethin along the lines of…I suspect that once Corporate-Capitalism has damaged a human brain so utterly that it has, say, turned them into a Neo-Nazi, or NeoCon or whatever– I am not sure any form of ‘meditation’ could save them. Ya know. Too much capitalist-damage at that point. They might just meditate and become even more focused assholes.

    I just dont believe everyone can always come back to the light. Take, Zooey for example…

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    That makes sense. But Wright doesn’t really get into the politics stuff, per se, beyond talking about our increasing tribalism and how this is gonna get us all killed, one way or another, if we don’t wake up. Climate change, wars, etc. But it’s not his main angle in the book, and, unless I already forgot the section, which is more than possible, he doesn’t talk about meditation “saving” the already lost. I’m pretty sure his take is preventative, rather than post-darkside coversion.

    I think you’d like it, WV. And he’s really pretty humble about the whole thing. I think his meditation sessions and retreats must have had that effect. A really different “tone” to the book than The Evolution of God.

    . . .

    Haven’t looked at any of the videos here, but he mentioned this site in the book:

    https://bloggingheads.tv/programs/current/wrightshow

    in reply to: Riots helping Trump #118652
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    Cal,

    The key word in your response is “some.”

    Polling for 2020, for instance, both nationally and per-state, has a range. Florida is a great example. I’ve seen Biden’s lead there, anywhere from three to twelve . . . and that’s in the same week of polling. It’s always been a range.

    So the range of polling in 2016, as is the case every election, ran the gamut from nearly spot on to way off base. But in the aggregate? It was just fine in 2016.

    As for more people voting for Trump than previous Republicans. That wasn’t the case nationally — he received just 26% of the electorate — even though it should be, given increases in population. When a politician brags about record vote totals, it’s usually nonsense, because it should be a record each and every new election. It’s a bad sign when the numbers go down, as they did overall in 2016, as a percent of the population. Roughly 105 million potential voters stayed home.

    Again, Trump only received 26% of the total electorate’s vote. That sucks. Of course, Clinton’s tally was terrible as well, at roughly 28%.

    Also, according to Greg Palast’s research, the voter purges in key swing states exceeded the margin of Trump’s victory. Throw in the rampant closing of polling places in likely Dem strongholds and the pre-election polling was actually too generous to Trump.

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    Just remembered this study from the book:

    Wine experts were given different wines to taste and rate, or so they thought. They had different price tags. Ninety dollar bottles and ten dollar bottles. Guess which ones they thought were better.

    It was the same exact wine.

    If people can be manipulated by something that simple, of course they can be manipulated into believing conspiracy theories, especially by demagogues who know how to push all the right buttons.

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