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  • in reply to: political tweets #134403
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    Rutger Bregman’s excellent Humankind deals with the above. Latest science, studies, etc. etc on “human nature.” Came out in 2020.

    Studies have shown that the rich and powerful, whether or not it’s new to them, become arrogant and all too certain of their superiority, when they have that wealth and power. And because of that, far less likely to listen to opposing views. They’re even less likely to listen to nuanced takes on those views, plans, etc. Other studies mentioned show that just a change in the status of one’s car impacts the driver’s willingness to put pedestrians at risk, to force them to jump out of the way, etc. BMWs were the worst, apparently.

    The Neflix doc on Thomas Picketty’s Capital mentions a study of people playing monopoly. Simply granting certain players extra privileges alters their behavior. They become arrogant, lose natural inhibitions regarding basic civility, etc. They become far more ruthless.

    Rich people lie, cheat, and steal more than the non-rich.

    Throw in psychological studies regarding our unconscious, which seems forever at odds with our conscious mind, and you get a recipe for seriously effed up people.

    It seems pretty obvious that the problem is the concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few. Best way to reduce the impact of the rich and powerful is to dilute that power and wealth, end those concentrations, disperse that to the four winds.

    in reply to: Roe Vs. Wade looks like it could be coming to an end. #134402
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    Agree with all of that, Zooey. What we should do, and how difficult it is to get there, etc.

    Major frustration for me: Europe clearly gets far better results on all the matters discussed here. They have better health care, for half the price. Lower infant mortality, lower birth-mother mortality. People there live longer, happier, healthier lives. Heck, they even have lower incidences of abortions and SDTs due to their far more open sex ed, etc. On pretty much every quality of life metric, they kick our butts. Yet our “leaders” refuse to move in their direction. Quite the opposite, of course.

    I know you know this. It also frustrates me that Europe is far from being “radical.” If only. They’ve had a mix of conservative and social democratic governance since WWII, but for too many Americans, they’re wild-eyed and “far left.” Ironically, social democrats there want to go much further and can’t seem to make that happen. They, too, are all too often jammed by conservatives.

    (Personally, I think social democratic reforms, even if implemented fully, fall well short of what the world and planet earth need. Martin Hagglund speaks brilliantly about all of this in his This Life.)

    Anyway, we’re so far from even half-way decent realities, and slipping further and further away by the hour . . . When I think about it, I hear the Stones “Paint it Black” again and again.

    At least the Rams ended their skid.

    in reply to: Hawkeye, the Marvel series on Disney Plus #134361
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    Kinda side-note:

    I think you’d enjoy Falcon and the Winter Soldier. As mentioned, it’s a very close second to Loki for me. Which makes me think of yet another point:

    IMO, Marvel can be a bit schizoid when it comes to audience. Who are they really trying to reach? Kids of all ages, or actual kids. Nostalgia for, or recent discovery of. Sometimes it’s obvious. Sometimes it isn’t. But, for me, the Falcon/WS series seems more “serious.” Hawkeye, so far, seems like it hasn’t made up its mind regarding its audience.

    Just a guess, but the rebirth of Marvel via the movies was likely powered by Boomer nostalgia, mostly. The first wave, anyway. But Disney has always been more geared toward raising new generations (youngins) on its content. With its recent acquisitions, audience selection is likely even more confusing. How to merge the two, or three, or four. Can it be done in the same movie or series? Or will they just segregate each to each, etc.

    I’m partial to the more “serious” visions — which may seem absurd when it comes to comic book adaptations. But I get that they want to bring in Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, Boomers and the whole deal. Seems like an impossible task, though. IMO, Daredevil on Netflix is an example of it working.

    in reply to: Hawkeye, the Marvel series on Disney Plus #134360
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    Well, ya see . . .

    So far, I think it’s missing the best of Marvel elements: myth. I’m partial to Asian geography in that case, because of the obvious martial arts aspects. But it can be anywhere. Then again, Marvel doesn’t always make that work so well, with, perhaps, the best (worst) example being the Iron Fist series. In 2021, it’s very difficult to stick the landing, culturally. Movies like Shang-Chi, which I really liked, except for the kinda lame dragons, don’t have to go through so many potential gauntlets to just be themselves.

    If memory serves, Hawkeye as Rodin has the geography, but not really the cool origin myth. Maybe memory doesn’t serve.

    I’m willing to listen to alternative views, but I wish Marvel had chosen Black Widow to survive Endgame instead of Hawkeye.

    (I haven’t kept up with the comics themselves since I was a kid, so I don’t know how far the movies and series veer away from them . . .)

    in reply to: comics, jokes, one-shot memes, funny tweets, etc. #134340
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    That one I get.

    Also: “‘Heroic’ vigilante rescues inanimate objects through murdering fellow Americans.”

    in reply to: Roe Vs. Wade looks like it could be coming to an end. #134338
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    Zooey,

    What’s your take?

    Again, there is a huge difference between pre-Civil War American jurisprudence and post-Civil War. Amendments which came after it “nullify” the 10th for the most part (ironically), and the Tenther Movement is stuck in pre-1860 America, in my view.

    Hoping Waterfield responds, but would also like to hear your take. Not only regarding interpretation of the Constitution, but also what we should do?

    in reply to: Roe Vs. Wade looks like it could be coming to an end. #134334
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    While there are many sections of the Constitution that demonstrate that the Federal government does have the power to make national policy . . . these four are perhaps the most relevant:

    The Commerce Clause
    The General Welfare Clause
    The Necessary and Proper Clause
    The Equal Protection Clause

    Beyond all of that, in the philosophical realm, we need to decide. We need to choose. Do we want a nation, or do we not? Do we want to protect rights for every American, regardless of where they live within this nation, or not? If the answer is no, then we should be honest and break up, go our separate ways. Cuz a nation can’t function as a nation if the various states get to write rules that conflict with one another. There is no nation then. Why keep pretending?

    in reply to: Roe Vs. Wade looks like it could be coming to an end. #134333
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    Waterfield,

    Actually, contrary to conventional wisdom, the founders granted themselves massive powers in their constitution. Article One, Section Eight gives sweeping powers to the Federal government, for better or worse. I’ve never understood how anyone can read those four pages and come away thinking it was written by Ron Paul. The anti-federalists lost the argument. We don’t go by the Articles of Confederation, etc.

    And, then there was the Civil War, and all those amendments after the Civil War. Like the 14th, which reads in part:

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    in reply to: comics, jokes, one-shot memes, funny tweets, etc. #134312
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    Zooey,

    Thanks. Makes me feel a bit better.

    Kinda like, if I had joined the field trip on Day One instead of Day Eight, I’d probably get the humor.

    in reply to: comics, jokes, one-shot memes, funny tweets, etc. #134306
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    Zooey,

    Was wondering about some things. I think I have a pretty good sense of humor — believe it or not. Friends and family say I do, anyway.

    ;>)

    But I have to admit to struggling with more than a few of those twitter memes and photos you guys post. Just like New Yorker cartoons, I’m all too often perplexed and can’t see the humor. At all.

    Like the one with the wine bottle. And most of those “guy who leers at other girl while walking with his now angry girlfriend” captions.

    Is there a special decoder ring needed for twitter humor?

    Hope all is well.

    in reply to: What’s really wrong with the Rams offense… #134289
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    Interesting comments from Cosell. Makes sense. Woods was fully integrated into the offense, and he suited McVay’s vision to a T. I have no idea which came first, though. Did McVay customize things to suit his skills (and Kupp’s), or did Woods alter his game to fit in? Perhaps a bit of both? Anyway, OBJ isn’t that kind of receiver, though he has elite speed and hops, generally excellent hands, and is tougher than he’s usually given credit for. For the rest of the season, however, it seems obvious that McVay is going to have to bend his scheme at least enough to help OBJ be more productive. He can’t just expect it to happen on its own. If he does, that points again to his rigidity, and perhaps to a bit of arrogance.

    in reply to: What’s really wrong with the Rams offense… #134286
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    McVay’s rep and his performance strike me as being at odds recently. Initially hailed as a revolutionary mind on offense, from this fan’s perspective, their offense seems all too vanilla and predictable these days. It also strikes me as very “conservative” and rigid. Yes, as many a commentator has said over the last few years, he runs variants from a basic setup. But the rigidity when it comes to that one setup makes it easier for teams to counter.

    Wouldn’t it be all the more difficult if he switched up packages and ran variants within several? That would confuse the hell out of DCs.

    Use an extra lineman, move him to the backfield now and then. Do the same with extra tight ends. Activate Perkins and run the option with him. More variants. etc. etc.

    And, yeah, I know injuries have limited him. But they can still try these things with the players they have. If they’re good enough to make an NFL team, they’re good enough to follow an enhanced playbook.

    Things gotta change. As others have mentioned, this is really screwing up the Rams’ defense too. Keeps them on the field far too long, and they can’t pin their ears back and rush when they’re down two touchdowns, etc.

    A bad offense makes for a mediocre D, even one with Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey on it.

    in reply to: Stafford ” is not that” lacks ” intangibles” #134282
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    Well, an injured/beaten-up QB needs a good OLine.

    And the Rams drafted a tutu instead of an OLineman.

    Thats still my biggest gripe this year.

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    Agreed. It just seemed incredibly self-indulgent. One of those “luxury” picks, when the Rams obviously had holes elsewhere — as you mentioned, especially along the O-line. Plus, inside backer, corner, safety, etc.

    (Creed Humphries, for instance, is playing great football at Center for KC. For what it’s worth, Pro Football Focus has him All-rookie and All-pro as of the midway point this season.)

    Hated the pick. Tutu is a tough little guy, with special speed — though he wasn’t the fastest receiver in this draft. But at 5’8,” 155, he’s just an injury waiting to happen, which, well . . . . And, going into the season, with Kupp, Woods, Jefferson, and Jackson, he was likely 5th on the depth chart. It’s crazy to spend your first pick on someone that far down that chart. Nutz. I could almost see it if he had the makings of a future #1, which was never the case. But, even then, the O-line was a major need this season, especially at center and to replace the 40-year-old Whitworth. It also had ripple effects down draft, as it pushed back depth-picks for all three squads. Special teams, perhaps most importantly.

    I’m guessing McSnead wish they had a do-over on that one.

    in reply to: Medicare Privitization? #134280
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    That’s unconscionable. And incredibly stupid, cuz non-profit, truly public goods and services will always be cheaper for patients and consumers than for-profit, “private” goods and services. Recent estimates put the savings for M4A, for instance, at 600 billion dollars per year, just on admin costs!

    But this move is also a part of the inexorable competitive “laws of motion” of capitalism, which David Harvey explains so well. Not only the pressure to colonize the future (debt, speculation, crypto-currencies, etc), but to forever expand markets spatially, geographically, and via “enclosures” of the Commons.

    Going after Medicare and Social Security is a kind of reversal of reversals of those enclosures. As you guys know, enclosures happened primarily during the early rise of capitalism — and a bit before — as a way to kill off and privatize centuries-old common lands. FDR and LBJ took back some of that enclosed space, and now Dem moderates, centrists, conservadems, and the entire GOP are working double-time to take it back and then some.

    The “then some” comes in by keeping taxpayers on the hook, regardless. The old “socialize the risk, privatize the gains” deal. Plus, prices will go up, so citizens will get screwed 8 days a week and twice on Sunday.

    I really don’t know how much longer America will be able to hold together, with this grotesque combo of rising fascism, runaway “pragmatic” corporatism, cowardly leadership, pandemics, climate change, etc. etc.

    Hey, but at least we have the surging Rams to take our minds off of things. Um, well, through the last 8 games, anyway.

    in reply to: Stafford ” is not that” lacks ” intangibles” #134279
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    WV,

    I haven’t seen any specifics. Just generalized stuff: back pain, ankle, and throwing arm. As mentioned earlier, McVay shows a pattern (to me) of not being all that open with the public about injuries, at least until the cat is out of the bag and he has no other choice.

    Remember the endless dance regarding Gurley? I still don’t know the severity of his many hurts, at least once he entered the NFL.

    I do know that Stafford has a long history of injuries, and playing through them, which go back to his rookie year. No idea about his college injuries, though. But Detroit had a lot of trouble protecting their QB, obviously.

    Bottom line for me: I think McVay is a good coach, and Snead is a pretty good GM. But they have their share of major whiffs, too. I think this trade will end up really hurting the franchise in the long run, along with a series of buy-high, sell-low trades like Peters, Cooks, Watkins, etc.

    in reply to: Stafford ” is not that” lacks ” intangibles” #134253
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    Joemad,

    I was against the trade from the jump. I thought it was way too much to give up for a QB his age, and I didn’t think the level of upgrade was sufficient to warrant all those picks. I would have preferred it if they had just kept Goff, worked on his throwing motion, and supported him when he was down. Lift him back up. Cuz, given what he had done for the Rams in the past, it had to be mostly an issue of confidence, which McVay wasn’t helping.

    Of course, then you have to go back to the stupidity of that huge contract extension, which was — what? — two years before they had to worry about it? Gurley too. And, all of those picks they gave up to move up to draft him in the first place. I’m a diehard, going all the way back to 1966, but I hate when they botch things like this. Though, I have to admit, when they botch things, they do it with panache!

    ;>)

    Anyway, I think if Stafford is healthy, he’s better than Goff. But he’s not healthy, and he likely has too much wear on his tires to ever be what he once was. I wouldn’t have made the trade**, but I support him now, etc.

    **Maybe Goff and a 3rd. Maybe. Even that might be too much. And Detroit wasn’t going to agree to that, obviously, which would have been just fine with me.

    in reply to: Stafford ” is not that” lacks ” intangibles” #134249
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    I think Stafford has “intangibles” in spades. Very few QBs have ever played with more pain, for instance, and his teammates rave about his dedication and football IQ. He’s Gabe, but a lot smaller. As in, he has no business being as tough as he is, as he’s always been. His arms are even thinner than Goff’s. But that, IMO, may be a fatal flaw. That obstinate belief in his own ability to keep going. He will play through major injuries and refuses to acknowledge that these injuries are screwing with his passing. Throw in another pattern that seems to be emerging, and it has the makings of one of those “perfect storms”:

    McVay doesn’t seem to admit to players being banged up until it’s too late.

    Also: I’m not getting the Jeff George comparisons at all. George had a better arm. Stafford, when healthy, has a really good arm, but it’s not as good as George’s. But George, if memory serves, was a head-case, on and off the field, and that pretty much ruined him. All the “arm talent” in the world, but a head-case.

    That’s not Stafford.

    And all of those team injuries? Freakish for the Rams, based on past seasons. Which makes me think yet again how utterly stupid it was for the players to agree to that extra game. Players have been dropping like flies already this season. The sixteen-game schedule was already too long. And they agree to more? It’s pretty much a given that 17 will lead to 18 all too soon, as you can’t keep going with uneven home and away scenarios. Which means every team is going to have to live with umpteen players on IR. And the Rams are in cap hell for as far as the eye can see, with next to no draft capital . . . .

    Oh, well. Whadyagonnado?

    in reply to: our reactions to the GB game #134223
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    Zooey,

    Agree with you about the coaches and Rapp. I wasn’t thrilled with the pick when it happened, seeing him as a bit slow for the position. He’s tough, and a try-hard guy, but seems limited athletically. Basically, a box-only guy. That’s where Johnson was superior, and he was basically another coach on the field.

    (They haven’t managed the cap well at all, so they struggle to keep their own good players)

    You just can’t do needed upgrades across the board when you throw away picks at the drop of a hat — and the Rams have done that a coupla times recently for single-season rentals.

    Fluke injuries have been a major factor too, and that’s not the team’s fault. But, unlike the Packers, the Rams appear not to have the talent to go “next man up” with positive results.

    I’ll still keep watching and hoping, when the Rams are on TV. But it looks like another one of those “wait until next year!” years.

    in reply to: our reactions to the GB game #134222
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    ZN,

    Good quote.

    Yeah, I’m afraid Miller is a rental. And not even a full season. Less than half, plus the time needed to learn the playbook, and heal from his own injuries. I’d be (happily) shocked if they re-sign him.

    Which brings up another issue. A team may be able to make the “all in” thing work, if they have cap room. If they can consistently sign FA players that make up for the lack of all of those early picks. But the Rams have been in cap hell for a long, long time, and, unless I’m wrong, there isn’t much light at the end of that tunnel. Add to that, if the Rams don’t make the playoffs, and win, players may not want to go to LA. The hope of winning now was a huge draw, giving players (I’m guessing) visions of super teams.

    That seems to have been a mirage, unfortunately.

    I’m still good with the OBJ pickup, because it didn’t cost them a pick. He’s obviously hurt too, and he probably won’t re-sign either. But they might get a comp for him. I really don’t know if late-season pickups are eligible. Hope so, etc.

    Anyway . . .

    in reply to: our reactions to the GB game #134208
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    The Rams aren’t strong enough as a team to give away so many points. Against poor to mediocre teams, perhaps. But not against good teams. Their offense just isn’t strong enough to come back from those turnovers, and Stafford isn’t healthy enough to bring them back or stop being a turnover machine.

    Heresy, I know, but I think it’s time to bench him, let him heal. Play Perkins instead. If the Rams can make the playoffs, bring Stafford back. If not, get him ready for next season.

    Obviously, that’s not what the Rams will do. They’ve invested so much in him, they’ll ride that train until the bitter end, win, lose or draw. But it may just be that he’s one and done, if they keep playing him while he’s hurt. Back, throwing arm, ankle, and the likelihood of brand new injuries on top of that . . .

    I think their “all in” strategy is biting them already, and showing how thin they are in too many areas. Forced to play a UDFA like Koski at punt returner, or risk Kupp getting injured, etc. They’ve lacked early picks for far too long, which prevents them from upgrading talent in key spots. O-line, inside backer, corner, safety, return teams, etc.

    Had really high hopes for this season. But they’re fading. As always, I want them to prove me wrong.

    in reply to: Kyle Rittenhouse verdict #134147
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    Zooey,

    Is the intro yours, or Gabbard’s comment on the quote?

    I hope she didn’t actually say it’s some kind of “proof” that American isn’t racist, and the system works.

    As you can tell, I’m not on twitter.

    in reply to: Kyle Rittenhouse verdict #134137
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    I probably should have just started with this. It’s what led me to the Bregman book:

    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2021/11/the-right-wing-story-about-human-nature-is-false

    Are we naturally violent, power-hungry, and greedy? Rutger Bregman’s book “Humankind” devastates the myth of human selfishness.

    Nathan J. Robinson

    filed 18 November 2021 in History

    in reply to: Kyle Rittenhouse verdict #134135
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    WV,

    What’s your take on the conventional wisdom with regard to “human nature”? I’ve been doing a lot of reading lately about evolution, biology, traits, etc. . . . and have discovered that the tide is turning. As in, the old ways of seeing humans as inherently violent, selfish, and hopelessly cruel, are being countered with a ton of evidence to the contrary..

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    I think zn’s wording/thots on this were what I always return to.

    Years ago, he basically taught me that ‘human nature’ is plastic,
    adaptable.

    Cooperation and Competition both are ‘human nature’.
    So any ‘system’ can plug into either and ramp up or suppress either,
    to an unknown-extent.

    One of the reasons I’m a doomer, is because, I dont believe
    its at all likely, that human-brains that have been born-and-raised
    under generation-after-generation of capitalism, can be…um…’fixed’.
    Too much damage. Damage is too deep.

    But who knows.

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    I may have done a poor job in summing up recent readings, and given the wrong impression. I wasn’t saying that they give us hope that we can make a better go of things under the current system. My take is they point to our ability to thrive under alternatives to capitalism — and I’ve always believed that if there is such a thing as “human nature,” our history of living communally for so long points toward a socialist alternative being “natural,” and our current capitalist system as obscenely “unnatural.”

    Our adaptability makes that shift all the more likely, in my view. We seem to be able to adapt all too well to bad situations. It makes sense to me that if we switch to beneficial alternatives, to egalitarian, cooperative, fully democratic economic forms — where everyone but former billionaires would do a thousand times better — adaptation would be all the easier.

    The key takeaway for me is that we’ve been told for generations how rotten we supposedly are, innately. Recent science shows this isn’t at all true. We’re actually hard-wired to live in “socialist” settings, not capitalist. We’ve just “adapted” to the latter, IMO, after centuries of bloodshed and domination by the super-rich. I still have hope that future generations will reject capitalism entirely, and go with what suits us better.

    Anyway . . . I think you guys would get a lot from Bregman’s book, and the others I’ve mentioned.

    in reply to: Kyle Rittenhouse verdict #134129
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    Quick addition:

    This makes great sense to me, on the kill rate issue: Studies have shown that throughout history the human aversion to killing other humans is most stark when it comes to hand to hand. Looking your enemy in the eye and then killing him or her is very rare. The further distance between enemies the “easier” it becomes, but, again, it’s still not at all easy. Dropping bombs, leaving IEDs, using drones, long-distance sniper fire — these methods reduce the aversion. But the overall takeaway seems clear to me:

    People who kill other people tend to be sociopaths or psychopaths. It has never been our “norm.” It has always been a tiny minority that actually wants to kill.

    Bregman calls us “Homo puppy” for a reason. But he also gets into the downside of “friendliness” and “cooperation,” even “empathy,” all of which can be manipulated by others for their own malicious ends.

    In short, his book isn’t sappy, happy, joy joy at all. It’s quite realistic about us humans, IMO, as were the other books I mentioned. The all do “nuance,” in short.

    in reply to: Kyle Rittenhouse verdict #134128
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    I think using post-apocalyptic film and fiction is a good place to start. To me, most of the assumptions made regarding plausible scenarios are based on received conventional wisdom, most of which has been proven wrong, especially in recent years. If there is an ideology behind that CV, and I think there is, it’s predominantly centrist to right-wing.

    Recent readings like The Goodness Paradox, by Richard Wrangham, The Social Instinct, by Nichola Raihani, and the one I mention above, Rutger Bregman’s Humankind, all debunk streams of that conventional wisdom. Each book cites hundreds of studies, and points to dozens of other books in the field. It’s also interesting to me how easy the debunking often is. Much of it involves careful readings of actual notes to experiments like the Milgram shock and Stanford Prison experiments, or captain’s logs for first encounters with non-Europeans, like Easter Island. As Bregman shows, the leaders of those experiments were caught in bold-faced lies when that digging was done, and participants interviewed, and first encounter notes for the Native peoples of Easter Island are a 180 from what we’ve been told.

    Columbus, for instance, marveled at how peaceful and generous the Caribs were, as was the case for most of these encounters. Tragically, that realization led him to instantly see them as ripe for slavery.

    Bregman also deals with “kill rates,” which I find fascinating and remember from earlier books. For most of human history, soldiers have avoided killing one another when at all possible. This continued all the way through WWII, when it was discovered that most never shot at the enemy. That discovery led to intensive training and psy-ops to make sure that they did, starting pretty much with Nam. It’s also the case that German soldiers for the siege of Paris were aided by the equivalent of crystal meth.

    Bregman talks of a gun-autopsy of Gettysburg that showed the vast majority of rifles were never fired in that battle.

    Anyway, there is far too much to sum up in this post, so I’ll leave it there. I do highly, highly recommend the books I’ve mentioned, especially Bregman’s.

    in reply to: Kyle Rittenhouse verdict #134114
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    WV,

    What’s your take on the conventional wisdom with regard to “human nature”? I’ve been doing a lot of reading lately about evolution, biology, traits, etc. . . . and have discovered that the tide is turning. As in, the old ways of seeing humans as inherently violent, selfish, and hopelessly cruel, are being countered with a ton of evidence to the contrary.

    I think this is important in tackling the larger issue of “systems,” because much of the refusal to change goes back to that initial pessimistic, cynical, harsh vision of ourselves. I can’t even count the times people have told me socialism can’t work because, “human nature.” But the books I’ve been reading — like Humankind — make it pretty clear that we’re naturally sociable and survived as a species because we cooperated with each other. One scientist quipped that it should be “the survival of the friendliest, not the fittest.”

    Many scientists now think we defeated other hominids because we could work together with much larger groups than they could, and that we lived communally, with almost no hierarchy, for most of our time on this planet. That we’ve basically self-domesticated, and reduced violence radically. More and more scholars are also beginning to think that our downfall was leaving our Hunter-gatherer lifestyle behind. We were healthier, stronger, freer, and lived longer before the switch to settled, agro-villages, etc.

    To make a long story short, science actually supports socialism as far more “natural” than capitalism. It actually lends “natural” support to leftist philosophy.

    in reply to: Kyle Rittenhouse verdict #134109
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    Something most Americans can’t quite get their minds around, because they think in Manichean terms. I’m guilty of this too at times:

    The problem isn’t “evil” per se. Or Good versus Evil. The problem is that people often do evil things, thinking they’re doing good things. They’ve been manipulated into this, lied to, propagandized, indoctrinated, etc.

    Reading a fantastic book right now, Rutger Bregman’s Humankind, which goes into this at length, along with completely debunking a host of things we think we know beyond a shadow of a doubt — mostly in the realm of our supposedly rotten “human nature.” The book is extensively sourced, with copious notes, and he does a great job of play by play in debunking dozens and dozens of falsehoods, from the Stanford Prison Experiment, to the Milgram Shock story, to Kitty Genovese, Lord of the Flies, Eichmann, etc. etc.

    Rittenhouse was led to believe he was doing “good.” Even when he took a photo with Proud Boys — a photo that wasn’t allowed in court, btw. He likely thought he was doing “good” by supposedly protecting private property, and that he was righteously in opposition to “bad guys.”

    IMO, it’s a losing battle at this point to try to change his mind and folks on his side. What needs to be our focus, IMO, is eliminating access to all the weapons and methods of implementing the right’s view of things. Legally, democratically, get rid of the structures and tools they have to force that vision on the rest of us. We’re not going to change their minds.

    Smaller scale stuff is a good place to start: End open-carry, nationally; ban all assault-style weaponry, and limit guns to internal chambers only, six shots max, hand-loaded. License, registration, training, insurance, and smart tech. Establish extensive public sector research centers on gun proliferation, gun violence, and destroy the power of the gun lobby. For starters . . .

    in reply to: Kyle Rittenhouse verdict #134072
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    WV,

    I understand your take and it has a ton of merit.

    For me the mega-issue is essentially, Capitalism/Racism/Patriarchy
    concentrated through the lens of neoliberalism is destroying
    any chance for ‘justice.’

    That’s the big picture for me as well. However, I think we can do both. I think it’s possible to focus on the trees, and then zoom out to see and think about the forest too. Systems. Historical context. Larger implications and foundational rationales. Max and minutiae. IMO, there is no reason why one has to prevent the other.

    It’s also worth noting that the political right is focused on a couple of trees, never the forest, and it acts on their view of those coupla trees, violently. Ignoring their individual acts, in my opinion, just adds more fuel to their fires, and emboldens them to become even more violently aggressive. It just makes it more likely that they’ll see non-threats like the 1619 Project, CRT, BLM, “Dems are communists!” as THE only things that matter in their world, and the (supposed) reason their fever dreams aren’t completely implemented yet.

    In short, we can zoom in and zoom out, as needed, case by case, and via systemic analyses. At least I think we can. Perhaps I’m just fooling myself, though . . .

    in reply to: Kyle Rittenhouse verdict #134067
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    I go back and forth between complete dismay, utter horror, and variations on “Of course! All of that was expected.”

    But underlying all of that is this conviction:

    America is insane. No sane nation allows open-carry. Period. No sane nation allows citizens to own weapons of war like an AR-15. For a host of reasons, most of which are too obvious to have to say, but they need saying.

    Open carry laws and the stockpiling of weapons of war will lead, has led, is automatically going to cause countless deaths, plus the suppression of dissenting voices. It’s going to cause our reps to change their votes to avoid being shot and killed by vigilantes. It’s going to cause other reps — and teachers, principals, public health workers, etc. — to quit their jobs to avoid being shot and killed by vigilantes. And when they quit — and many have already — those jobs will be filled by proponents of even greater insanity regarding guns, vigilantism, MAGA, anti-science, anti-truth and the like. In short, fascism.

    Open carry laws and the stockpiling of weapons is fascism. Rittenhouse, the murderer, is now a hero to fascists. The political right is the home of fascism, and America used to know this. So there’s insanity here and mass amnesia.

    America has forgotten too much to still be sane.

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