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Donald should get more than what Suh got. Donald deserves that.
I meant % of the Cap, not actual dollars. Like zn says, it has to be adjusted for today’s cap, not the cap back in 2015.
Agamemnon
I like using the $41M guaranteed at signing, figure. The contract totals $90 million for 5 years, starting in 2019. $41M guaranteed at signing, is about 45% of the total contract. I expect Donald to get about 52-55% of his total contract in hard guarantees.
Or, $60 – 80 million, depending on the total contract.
It is different, because Donald plays a premium position, ie., best defender in football. He should get what Suh got. Suh got more than Von Miller. Agamemnonhttps://metro.co.uk/2015/08/12/octopuses-are-aliens-scientists-decide-after-dna-study-5339123/
Octopuses ‘are aliens’, scientists decide after DNA study
author imageRob WaughWednesday 12 Aug 2015 2:02 pmNot to freak you out or anything, but scientists have just revealed that octopuses are so weird they’re basically aliens.
The first full genome sequence shows of that octopuses (NOT octopi) are totally different from all other animals – and their genome shows a striking level of complexity with 33,000 protein-coding genes identified, more than in a human.
There we were thinking it was quite freaky enough when they learned how to open jam jars.
US researcher Dr Clifton Ragsdale, from the University of Chicago, said: ;The octopus appears to be utterly different from all other animals, even other molluscs, with its eight prehensile arms, its large brain and its clever problem-solving abilities.
‘The late British zoologist Martin Wells said the octopus is an alien. In this sense, then, our paper describes the first sequenced genome from an alien.’
Agamemnon2020 is the last season of the present CBA. Players and Owners will have to agree on another plan. The players will probably end up with a higher percentage of the profits. How will that affect the Cap? How will that affect salaries?
AgamemnonWhen we talk about guaranteed money, are we talking about total guaranteed or fully guaranteed money. I am using fully guaranteed.
AgamemnonAfter that we cut down to 53. Rams will have to cut some good players. Especially at LBer and Dline. imo We don’t have a lot of stars at LBer, but we do have good prospects.
AgamemnonI feel Donald wants more than $80 million guaranteed. I believe he is looking more toward $90 million to $100 million guaranteed
I think that is a deal breaker, Jack.
AgamemnonDowntown Rams@DowntownRams
If the number are right with Aaron Donald. Clearly he chose more guaranteed money and sacrificed some APY money. #Rams are winning this deal if it’s $22M. Surprised the APY came down and the guaranteed money went up. This is what was taking the deal so long.I don’t agree with that either. I think Donald wants and gets both. Suh had the most guaranteed money per contract amount. I think guaranteed follows contact amount. Donald will get ~52-55% of the total value of new money, guaranteed. So, once again here it is. 5-6 years, $23.1 million to $24.15 million/yr, $60 million to $80 million guaranteed.
Agamemnonhttps://www.businessinsider.com/ndamukong-suhs-contract-miami-dolphins-2018-3/
Ndamukong Suh is the latest example of how huge contracts in the NFL are mostly a sham
Cork Gaines Mar. 13, 2018, 8:55 AM 10,788
Ndamukong Suh is expected to be released by the Miami Dolphins this week with three years remaining on his $114 million contract.
The move is being made even though Suh is still one of the best defensive linemen in the NFL.
There was no chance Suh would have ever seen the end of his contract based on how it was structured.
In the end, Suh received $60 million in three seasons.Ndamukong Suh is expected to be cut this week by the Miami Dolphins, according to several reports, and it is just the latest example of how, unlike other sports, huge contracts in the NFL are mostly a sham.
According to Jeff Darlington of ESPN, the Dolphins’ “plan” is to release Suh as early as Monday. Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network said the move will likely happen on Wednesday when the new league year starts and the team is able to spread the cap hit out over two seasons.
Both reports cited the Dolphins’ desire to shake up their locker toom. Darlington called the move a “culture change.” Rapoport said the move was about “regaining the locker room,” and bringing in “the kind of players Dolphins coach Adam Gase wants.”
Ndamukong SuhMitchell Leff/Getty Images
Still, it is a curious move considering Suh is still one of the four best interior defensive linemen in the NFL, grading as “elite” with a Pro Football Focus grade of 91 in 2017.
The bigger problem is likely just that Suh’s 6-year, $114 million contract had become a nightmare, something that was expected when he signed the deal prior to the 2015 season. Based on how it was structured, there was little chance he would ever see the end of the deal.
The big issue was how much Suh counted against the salary cap each season.
Here is what Suh’s salary cap figures looked like when he first signed the deal:
2015 — $6.1 million
2016 — $28.6 million
2017 — $15.1 million
2018 — $22.1 million
2019 — $24.1 million
2020 — $18.4 millionTo put those numbers in perspective, over the last three seasons, Joe Flacco had the highest salary cap figure in the NFL at $24.6 million and no defensive player had a figure higher than $22.1 million.
In other words, right off the bat, that $28.6 million salary cap figure in 2016 was never going to happen.
Sure enough, the Dolphins did restructure the contract after the first season, giving Suh a $20 million bonus. That lowered his cap hit in 2016, but raised the number in each of the four remaining seasons.
Here is what his cap figures looked like after the restructuring:
2015 — $6.1 million
2016 — $12.6 million
2017 — $19.1 million
2018 — $26.1 million
2019 — $28.1 million
2020 — $22.4 millionSuh’s $26.1 million cap hit for the 2018 season would have been the third largest in the NFL and one of only two among the top 14 that went to a non-quarterback.
At this point, the Dolphins basically had two options: 1) restructure the contract again, with another big bonus up front and likely having to add two years to the deal to spread out the cap hits (Suh would have been 33 in the final year of the contract); or 2) release Suh.
With none of the remaining years on Suh’s contract guaranteed — standard operating procedure in the NFL — the decision was probably an easy one, despite still being one of the best players in the NFL.
In the end, Suh received $60 million for his three seasons of work in Miami. Nobody is going to feel sorry for Suh, but that is still a far cry from the $114 million that was announced in 2015.
Suh recently spoke with Business Insider about how much athletes really get when they sign those enormous contracts. It turns out he will be getting even less and it is no surprise.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/ndamukong-suh-contract-spending-explanation-2018-3
Ndamukong Suh explains what really happens to star athletes’ huge contracts
Scott Davis
Mar. 27, 2018, 8:48 AMndamukong suh Mike Ehrmann/Getty
Miami Dolphins defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh explained to Business Insider that athlete contract values should really be split in half because of taxes and fees.
Suh said that players face heavy income taxes, state taxes, city taxes, the “jock” tax, agent fees, and regular life expenses, which cut into their earnings.
Suh said he doesn’t think casual fans understand that players don’t really make what their contracts say.In 2015, Ndamukong Suh signed one of the biggest contracts in NFL history, agreeing to join the Miami Dolphins on a deal worth $114 million over six years, with $60 million guaranteed.
However, like many contracts in professional sports, the numbers aren’t exactly as they seem.
While speaking to Business Insider to promote his investment with emoji app Genies, Suh said that most people don’t understand that when players sign eight- and nine-figure deals, they should really split the number in half. He used his rookie deal as an example.
“Off of my rookie deal, which I’m not hiding anything, you can go and look at my deal, I had $40 million guaranteed, it was 6 years for $40 [million],” Suh said. “And you take the $40 million that was guaranteed and you swipe that in half because of taxes.”
Suh then explained how all of the different taxes and fees add up.
“Uncle Sam, the new tax reform, 37% goes to him,” he said. “And then you have to factor in, I was in Detroit, so you have to factor in taxes there. So that would be Michigan state taxes and then you have the city of Detroit taxes, which is going to be 1 or 2%.
“So after you look at the particular piece, I’m probably, if I’m not mistaken, Michigan is at like 4 or 5%, so that’s 42 [% of the deal]. City of Detroit’s 1 or 2[%], so you’ve got 43 [% of the deal], then you throw your agent fees, that’s 45, and then you throw in the concept of inflation, which is another 3[%], that’s 48, and then living expenses, let’s just say that’s 2%, you’re at 50%.”
Suh noted that he also benefitted from being a first-round pick under the old CBA, saying players who were drafted in later rounds in the new CBA make less money.
Additionally, the “jock” tax — which taxes players for every state in which they play during the season — cuts into their earnings.
“So when I play in New York, when I play in New England, which is Boston, Massachusetts. I play in Buffalo, New York, I’m getting taxed twice in New York. And I have to allocate taxes for that because they don’t take taxes out of your pay check … And then even when I play New York teams, I’m getting taxed out of New York, but also I’m getting taxed out of New Jersey because I’m technically playing in the state of New Jersey.”
Suh added: “Athletes have large W2s; we’re hit very heavily.”
As former NBA player Josh Childress once explained, many athletes also make life purchases, like houses and cars, without taking into account the smaller figures that they’re truly earning.
“I think people have allusions of, there’s no reason guys should ever go broke,” Suh said, adding, “I don’t think people see those things and understand what goes into that.”
AgamemnonI think the Deal will closely match Suh’s contract.
I hope you don’t mean in terms of amount.
In terms of structure, could be.
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Adjusted for today’s Cap. Remember I think in percents.
AgamemnonThey all have a source. They are all might as well be guessing. I think the Deal will closely match Suh’s contract. It will happen before the start of the season. There 😉
Agamemnon9. Ndamukong Suh, Miami Dolphins
23 of 31Tom Szczerbowski/Getty Images
Snap Quickness: 17/25
Pass Rush: 19/25
Run Defense: 18/25
Tackling: 11/15
Position Value: 7/10
Overall Grade: 72/100Ndamukong Suh has a massive frame with good length, thickness and muscularity at 6’4″, 305 pounds. The eight-year veteran has rare power and the explosiveness to deliver massive jolt at the point of attack. Suh’s a good run defender who shows elite flashes. He’s also capable of snapping blockers’ heads back and controlling and collapsing their frame prior to shedding into adjacent gaps.
The Nebraska product sniffs out screens quickly and is rarely fooled with misdirection. He has long arms, which help him win his opponent’s inside shoulder and walk his foe into the QB’s lap with regularity. Suh has effective arm-over and hump moves to counter. However, he shows inconsistent pad level and effort, particularly against combos, and will get moved down the line of scrimmage easily once he gets pushed laterally. The 30-year-old is a strong wrap-up tackler but periodically coasts in pursuit.
—NFL1000 DT Scout, Brandon Thorn
Suh isn’t quite the pass-rusher he was at his apex in Detroit, where he was just about unblockable when faced with a single offensive lineman. But he’s still one of the best run tackles in the league, and when he puts it together, he can still beat guards with a forceful bull rush to get to the quarterback. He’s lost a millisecond of quickness over the years, but 90 percent of the Suh we once saw is still good enough to play at a Pro Bowl level. The question for him as he heads into his 30s is how willing he’ll be to compensate for any physical decline with refinements in technique.
—NFL1000 Lead Scout, Doug Farrar
AgamemnonShields’ int and Kelly’s TD run stand out to me. Hemmingway and some of the backup DBs were disappointing.
AgamemnonTraining camp and preseason used to be used to get players in shape. Now days players are in shape year round. You could ask, do your want to keep healthy or get ready for the regular season? Maybe that is a coaching thing? Fisher never seemed to be able to do it. imo
Preseason games now are not much more than glorified practice. I think there is a place for the games, but they should not be sold as full price football. They provide experience for younger players who need it more than vets do. They give you a chance to evaluate your young players.
You need to evaluate your roster and get ready for the start of the season. Are preseason games worth it? I am not sure. I don’t want to see them increase the regular season games. I think 16 is enough, probably too much, for the human body.
Agamemnon11% to 11.5% of the Cap. Let’s say the Cap will average $210 million over the next 5 years, 2019-23. $23.1 million to $24.15 million.
So you’re saying I misread you.
Since I would never make a mistake like that, that must mean you’re wrong about what it is you meant to say.
That’t okay. It happens.
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Fractions are bad. Percents are even worse. 😉 No Algebra was used in calculating these percents.
AgamemnonThe way I figure stuff, Suh’s contract is still the standard, because he got 11.1% of the Cap. Again that is the way I figure it. VonMiller got 10.4%. Also, Suh, got $60 million for 3 years in Miami. VonMiller will get ~$47 million in his first 3 years.
I don’t do the contracts by what they actually got but, as a rough measure, the annual average. For both Suh and VM that’s 19 M, with the last deal coming in 2016. 3 years later means a lot. All other positions go up on average of at least (conservative estimate) 10% a year.
One thing I’ve read says that the top defender should be getting 80% of the top qb’s money.
10% a year after 2016 would be 23 M.
80% of the top qb would be 24 M.
11.1% of the cap would be way too low. That;s barely more than 19 M.
I figure this stuff over the length of the contract. It is like I said in my post. It is all there. Of course when you do your !!.1% like that, you are doing it just for next year, which would be just year one of my stuff. it is like comparing apples and oranges.
11% to 11.5% of the Cap. Let’s say the Cap will average $210 million over the next 5 years, 2019-23. $23.1 million to $24.15 million.
AgamemnonThe way I figure stuff, Suh’s contract is still the standard, because he got 11.1% of the Cap. Again that is the way I figure it. VonMiller got 10.4%. Also, Suh, got $60 million for 3 years in Miami. VonMiller will get ~$47 million in his first 3 years.
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The guaranteed money come in different flavors, or at least hard and soft guarantees. Money that gets paid no matter what and money a like roster bonus that only gets paid if he is a player that year.
I throw an estimated future Cap figure into my stuff. I figure that gives me a touch better look at the landscape.
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AgamemnonMonsanto is Satan
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….Did you just make a political post, blue-man?
Gasp.
I dont know what this means.
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vI am doing science here. I stay away from politics and religion. GMOs are the work of the devil.
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